Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a 'national register of faith leaders' and undergo vetting

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Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a “national register of faith leaders” and be subject to government-specified training and security checks in the Home Office’s latest action on extremism. The highly controversial proposal appears in a leaked draft of the Government’s new counter-extremism strategy, seen by The Telegraph, which goes substantially further than previous versions of the document. The strategy, due to be published this autumn, says that Whitehall will “require all faiths to maintain a national register of faith leaders” and the Government will “set out the minimum level of training and checks” faith leaders must have to join the new register. Registration will be compulsory for all faith leaders who wish to work with the public sector, including universities, the document says. In practice, most faith leaders have some dealings with the public sector and the requirement will cover the great majority.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11860993/Imams-will-have-to-register-and-face-security-vetting-under-Home-Office-plans.html






I very much welcome the move, as religions are nothing more than ideologies and should be treated as such. Religions have for too long been afforded special privileges and protection where some of their views are counter to the greater cohesion of this country, which effect the well being and equality of groups of people. Religions should be a personal belief and nothing more. At the end of the day all these religious teachers have been exempt from vetting, of which all other teachers in this country are subjected to vetting. So why should Religious teachers be exempt when they also teach children?

Have you ever been to UK ben?

We all know that this means Islamic faith leaders don't we? It's necessary because of the growing threat of ISIS and this alleged "grooming" or "indoctrination" which is going on. The Government can't actually single out Muslim faith leaders of course so they have to include everyone.

Tommy Monk wrote:Have you ever been to UK ben?

No, I used to want to come someday, not so sure any more. Y'all make it sound pretty dismal. But if I'd spent a week on vacation in London, would that give me some special insight into your ... what's the opposite of a fantasy? ... of what the country's like?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

you need to understand one thing - the UK is NOT the US, you and your mate quill constantly make the mistake of arguing for, or against a point on issues taking place in europe of the UK from a US context.

religious freedoms are ALREADY severely resticted in the UK, but only for christians. you may not like it but thats a fact, we dont have a deeply conservative southern bible belt around here thats ensures christians rights are protected, and as a result our authorities and politicians take great plesaure in trampling anything and everything christian

i would provided you a few examples that contrast the vastly different ways in which christians and Muslims are handled and treated in everyday scenarios, but i somehow doubt you will take any notice.

christian rights are so severely restricted that any legislation which restricts other religions rights in a similar way would ironically result in equality

I understand your country lives in fear, ridiculously overexaggerates its issues and in general whines about everything, always -- you and your ilk here have hammered that lesson home on a daily basis.

Nice dodge of pretty much everything I said, by the way. "I'd prove my claims but you'll never believe me so I'm just going to fill up your forum with my silly crybaby shit!"

of course ben because youre so impartial and able to look at things objectively right??

dodging YOU??? you been hitting the bottle early this morning or something?? why on earth would i need to dodge YOU?? its not exactly like you have an intimidating intellect.

thing is ben, that i have been dealing with guilty white liberals like you since i joined forums many moons ago and if there one the LLA is charactierised by its cognitive dissonace (read my sig)

yes i could put the effort into presenting you with enough evidence to establish the behavioural patterns of authorities and private and public sector employees to prove that there is indeed institutional bias towards Muslims and against christians, but what good would it do?

your response would be along the lines of "its an isolated case", "its an isolated case", "its only a few" followed by more dismissals, excuses, justifications and finally you exiting from the conversation , prettyy much the same format quill follows.

see ben, there is no amount of evidence i could present to you that would cause you to think "thats actually quite shit really" , you simply lack the moral integrity.

You mean your evidence comes from particluar cases you have read in the media where they have an agenda of bias against a group. That is hardly evidence which also neglects the overwhelming evidence that points to minorities being vastly discrminated in the UK.
So yeah do you really want to look at the evidence?
The simple fact is Dutchman you have never looked at the evidence, but evidence is collatted information of which there have been many studies.

This is not to say sometimes discrimination does not happen against whites. it does but is on no level or anywhere near that suffered by minorities. I have been dealing with racist and xenophobic mindless idiots for a very long time and their arguments always fall down, basically because they are pants.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Have you ever been to UK ben?

No, I used to want to come someday, not so sure any more. Y'all make it sound pretty dismal. But if I'd spent a week on vacation in London, would that give me some special insight into your ... what's the opposite of a fantasy? ... of what the country's like?

Come as a tourist, staying in nice hotel and spending loads of cash sight seeing, travelling around in taxis etc and you will have a great time!



Totally different to living it every day...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

No, I used to want to come someday, not so sure any more. Y'all make it sound pretty dismal. But if I'd spent a week on vacation in London, would that give me some special insight into your ... what's the opposite of a fantasy? ... of what the country's like?

Come as a tourist, staying in nice hotel and spending loads of cash sight seeing, travelling around in taxis etc and you will have a great time!



Totally different to living it every day...

Fuck that, let's send him to Luton, or Birmingham or Brixton

Let the tourist get a real inner city experience he will never forget

He has no idea...!