Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a 'national register of faith leaders' and undergo vetting

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:19 am

Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a “national register of faith leaders” and be subject to government-specified training and security checks in the Home Office’s latest action on extremism. The highly controversial proposal appears in a leaked draft of the Government’s new counter-extremism strategy, seen by The Telegraph, which goes substantially further than previous versions of the document. The strategy, due to be published this autumn, says that Whitehall will “require all faiths to maintain a national register of faith leaders” and the Government will “set out the minimum level of training and checks” faith leaders must have to join the new register. Registration will be compulsory for all faith leaders who wish to work with the public sector, including universities, the document says. In practice, most faith leaders have some dealings with the public sector and the requirement will cover the great majority.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11860993/Imams-will-have-to-register-and-face-security-vetting-under-Home-Office-plans.html

I very much welcome the move, as religions are nothing more than ideologies and should be treated as such. Religions have for too long been afforded special privileges and protection where some of their views are counter to the greater cohesion of this country, which effect the well being and equality of groups of people. Religions should be a personal belief and nothing more. At the end of the day all these religious teachers have been exempt from vetting, of which all other teachers in this country are subjected to vetting. So why should Religious teachers be exempt when they also teach children?

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:39 am

If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:42 am

smelly-bandit wrote:If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

yep

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:42 am

smelly-bandit wrote:If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

Interesting as show me the Political and economic policies of big bang theorists?

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:45 am

Also this is yet again proving why the Dutchman is a tad slow as such academics who teach are vetted.

DOH

Seriously did you stub your tow in your mouth again this morning Dutchman?

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:55 am

Vicar Of Dibley wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

yep

climate change fanatics get violent, and have happily enforced the views using violence

very little difference to Muslims blowing themselves up to be honest

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:00 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Vicar Of Dibley wrote:

yep

climate change fanatics get violent, and have happily enforced the views using violence

very little difference to Muslims blowing themselves up to be honest

Cuckoo alert.

As that was an absurd Party Political Broadcast from the Delusional Exiled Apartheid Party

by SEXY MAMA Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:17 am

I think its a good move.

Lets see how things pan out though.

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:19 am

It will be pointless the moslems will ignore the ruling ..

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:43 am

heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:It will be pointless the moslems will ignore the ruling ..

they wont ignore it, they will register and then pretend to be all nice and non lunatic like in public but as soon as they gain approval they will be back to allahu akbar this and allahu akbar that.

undercover mosque proved how deceitful Muslims are

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:19 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:It will be pointless the moslems will ignore the ruling ..

they wont ignore it, they will register and then pretend to be all nice and non lunatic like in public but as soon as they gain approval they will be back to allahu akbar this and allahu akbar that.

undercover mosque proved how deceitful Muslims are

a good point, they can always use the moslem option to lie if they need to...

by veya_victaous Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:40 pm

the level of stupidity from smelly is overwhelming

Yes they will be all Allahu Akbar this Allahu Akbar that just like HF is in his Christian thread Suspect

"Allahu Akbar" is Literally "God is great" in Arabic.

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:43 pm

veya_victaous wrote:the level of stupidity from smelly is overwhelming

Yes they will be all Allahu Akbar this Allahu Akbar that just like HF is in his Christian thread

"Allahu Akbar" is Literally "God is great" in Arabic.

Hello Veyva the diva

Thanks for the input ,wrong though you are

by Guest Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:13 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:the level of stupidity from smelly is overwhelming

Yes they will be all Allahu Akbar this Allahu Akbar that just like HF is in his Christian thread

"Allahu Akbar" is Literally "God is great" in Arabic.

Hello Veyva the diva

Thanks for the input ,wrong though you are

veya is all worked up over Christians the idiot .

by veya_victaous Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:46 pm

Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:29 am

veya_victaous wrote:Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

but im a refugee fleeing from inaflap veyva

dont you have any sympathy for a poor refugee like me??

what a racist xenophobe you are

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:43 am

smelly-bandit wrote:If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

I love the Big Bang Theory!
Soft kitty, warm kitty... cheers

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:07 am

Nems wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:If its about ideology then ,big bang theorists and climate change fanatics should be registered also

I love the Big Bang Theory!
Soft kitty, warm kitty...

little ball of fur

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:30 am

veya_victaous wrote:Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

You're a bigot. You feel safe around anyone who doesn't speak against gays, immigrants, refugees, have no faith , love islam and kiss the arses of moslems .

Here's the reality of life veya , people don't like everything and you're the most wonderful example of someone who doesn't fit into society .

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:31 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Nems wrote:

I love the Big Bang Theory!
Soft kitty, warm kitty...

little ball of fur

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:33 am

veya_victaous wrote:Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

lol so if we are so stupid how come you can't ever beat us in a debate... Smile

hey mister intellect have you found the jobs list for the mercy ships yet...lol

what veya means is stop anyone who disagrees with him from posting, especially the ones who show him up for the bigot he is...

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:25 am

veya_victaous wrote:Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

You think! Basketball

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:27 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Quite frankly we shouldn't have let the 3 of you back

You do nothing but lower the intellect of the forum

Not even worth debating any of you as the level of stupid is just ridiculous.

but im a refugee fleeing from inaflap veyva

dont you have any sympathy for a poor refugee like me??

what a racist xenophobe you are

Really? Its a place full of people like you!

So What did you do?

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

but im a refugee fleeing from inaflap veyva

dont you have any sympathy for a poor refugee like me??

what a racist xenophobe you are

Really? Its a place full of people like you!

So What did you do?

decided i didnt want to work for my living anymore so became a refugee and "fled"

by SEXY MAMA Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:22 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Really? Its a place full of people like you!

So What did you do?

decided i didnt want to work for my living anymore so became a refugee and "fled"

I was going to debate with you the reasoning behind leaving Syria but what's the point.........................

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:59 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
heavenlyfatheryetagain wrote:It will be pointless the moslems will ignore the ruling ..

they wont ignore it, they will register and then pretend to be all nice and non lunatic like in public but as soon as they gain approval they will be back to allahu akbar this and allahu akbar that.

undercover mosque proved how deceitful Muslims are

Quite right!!!

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:29 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:

decided i didnt want to work for my living anymore so became a refugee and "fled"

I was going to debate with you the reasoning behind leaving Syria but what's the point.........................

Because you're so clued up on it

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:47 pm

So the government is going to have lots of influence over people's personal convictions? Wow.

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:53 pm

No just power over rooting out the Muslim hate preachers and stopping them from being able to get platforms in universities etc.

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:59 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:No just power over rooting out the Muslim hate preachers and stopping them from being able to get platforms in universities etc.

Oh, I see. So it's exactly like how the PATRIOT Act was only used to help protect Americans from terrorist attacks.

Gotcha Smile

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:01 pm

Hardly...

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Hardly...

Well yeah! Governments only use the power we give them for the purposes we give it to them ... no potential abuse here, right?

No chance that some Christian preacher who preaches against homosexuality, or for taking in more refugees, or something else controversial, will somehow be found unqualified, right?

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:10 pm

We have a problem with Muslim hate preachers getting platforms to spout their rubbish in universities and elsewhere... they should be registered and vetted before being given access to public organisations.

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:We have a problem with Muslim hate preachers getting platforms to spout their rubbish in universities and elsewhere... they should be registered and vetted before being given access to public organisations.

But the rule also applies to priests, rabbis and others. Do you really think this can't be abused to further a political agenda? Or does the chance to rein in Muslims worth the potential damage to your freedom of religious belief?

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:15 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:We have a problem with Muslim hate preachers getting platforms to spout their rubbish in universities and elsewhere... they should be registered and vetted before being given access to public organisations.

But the rule also applies to priests, rabbis and others. Do you really think this can't be abused to further a political agenda? Or does the chance to rein in Muslims worth the potential damage to your freedom of religious belief?

freedom of religious belief is already damaged, unless youre a Muslim ben

so reining them in a bit might even the balance

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:18 pm

It is not about reigning in religious freedom, it is about reigning in the fanatics from being able to preach hate willy nilly in universities and other public platforms where they currently do so unchecked.

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:45 pm

The two of you need to stop this silly attempt to twist what I said. Could this law be used to tamp down on all Britons' freedom of religion, or not?

I'll give you a clue -- it most definitely could be. You're letting your blind hatred of Muslims sway you into giving your government power it doesn't deserve and could abuse.

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:46 pm

In other words, you back the same thing you hate (political correctness) when you think it might hurt people you don't like. You have no principles.

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:09 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The two of you need to stop this silly attempt to twist what I said. Could this law be used to tamp down on all Britons' freedom of religion, or not?

I'll give you a clue -- it most definitely could be. You're letting your blind hatred of Muslims sway you into giving your government power it doesn't deserve and could abuse.

you need to understand one thing - the UK is NOT the US, you and your mate quill constantly make the mistake of arguing for, or against a point on issues taking place in europe of the UK from a US context.

religious freedoms are ALREADY severely resticted in the UK, but only for christians. you may not like it but thats a fact, we dont have a deeply conservative southern bible belt around here thats ensures christians rights are protected, and as a result our authorities and politicians take great plesaure in trampling anything and everything christian

i would provided you a few examples that contrast the vastly different ways in which christians and Muslims are handled and treated in everyday scenarios, but i somehow doubt you will take any notice.

christian rights are so severely restricted that any legislation which restricts other religions rights in a similar way would ironically result in equality

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:21 pm

I suppose the actual, best thing to do would be to utterly ban (all/some ?) religions from being practiced on pain of death. Of course i realise that this is a strange concept and no other countries do this....oh wait........ Rolling Eyes

by nicko Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:27 pm

Ben and Quill know all about Britain, after all, they do read the papers don't they?

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:01 pm

victorismyhero wrote:I suppose the actual, best thing to do would be to utterly ban (all/some ?) religions from being practiced on pain of death. Of course i realise that this is a strange concept and no other countries do this....oh wait........

not needed, this pain of death business

HONESTY at the highest levels is what is needed more than anything.

christianty isnt the problem

judaism isnt the problem

hinduism isnt the problem

athiesim isnt the probelm

the only religion that is a problem is islam

the sonner our authorities reach that conclusion the sooner they can focus their efforts to curb religious extremism

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:01 pm

nicko wrote:Ben and Quill know all about Britain, after all, they do read the papers don't they?

gee wizz youre such a bitch!!!!!

so mean Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a 'national register of faith leaders' and undergo vetting 4086978286

Imams, priests, rabbis and other religious figures will have to enrol in a 'national register of faith leaders' and undergo vetting 4086978286

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:02 pm

The problem here is from Muslim hate preachers... but because of all the pc bullshit we have here, we aren't allowed to just say that and target those who are actually causing this problem, we have to be 'inclusive' and that means Christian and rabbi and other faith leaders will also have to comply... although they will all do this easily and willingly!!!

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:03 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
victorismyhero wrote:I suppose the actual, best thing to do would be to utterly ban (all/some ?) religions from being practiced on pain of death. Of course i realise that this is a strange concept and no other countries do this....oh wait........

not needed, this pain of death business

I know that Smelly...BUT...its does sound kinda funky.....

HONESTY at the highest levels is what is needed more than anything.

from politicians ?????

christianty isnt the problem

judaism isnt the problem

hinduism isnt the problem

athiesim isnt the probelm

the only religion that is a problem is islam

the sonner our authorities reach that conclusion the sooner they can focus their efforts to curb religious extremism

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:07 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:The two of you need to stop this silly attempt to twist what I said. Could this law be used to tamp down on all Britons' freedom of religion, or not?

I'll give you a clue -- it most definitely could be. You're letting your blind hatred of Muslims sway you into giving your government power it doesn't deserve and could abuse.

you need to understand one thing - the UK is NOT the US, you and your mate quill constantly make the mistake of arguing for, or against a point on issues taking place in europe of the UK from a US context.

religious freedoms are ALREADY severely resticted in the UK, but only for christians. you may not like it but thats a fact, we dont have a deeply conservative southern bible belt around here thats ensures christians rights are protected, and as a result our authorities and politicians take great plesaure in trampling anything and everything christian

i would provided you a few examples that contrast the vastly different ways in which christians and Muslims are handled and treated in everyday scenarios, but i somehow doubt you will take any notice.

christian rights are so severely restricted that any legislation which restricts other religions rights in a similar way would ironically result in equality

I understand your country lives in fear, ridiculously overexaggerates its issues and in general whines about everything, always -- you and your ilk here have hammered that lesson home on a daily basis.

Nice dodge of pretty much everything I said, by the way. "I'd prove my claims but you'll never believe me so I'm just going to fill up your forum with my silly crybaby shit!"

by Tommy Monk Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:11 pm

You have absolutely no idea of the reality here in UK ben...

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:25 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:You have absolutely no idea of the reality here in UK ben...

I'm just going by what you and your buddies say here Razz

by Guest Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:42 pm

Oh I think he has Tommy...and what i said applies....

FAR from being allies, the american of today would gladly sacrifice europe, and in particular britain on the altar of expediancy....in the hope the crocodile will eat them last.....

by Ben Reilly Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:10 pm

victorismyhero wrote:Oh I think he has Tommy...and what i said applies....

FAR from being allies, the american of today would gladly sacrifice europe, and in particular britain on the altar of expediancy....in the hope the crocodile will eat them last.....

Now why would we wish any harm to come to such a delightfully cheery, helpful and tough-minded people? pirat

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