Wetherspoons apologises for 'Muslims get out of our country' pub poster

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A poster in a Wetherspoons told Muslims to "get the f*** out of our countries". The pub chain has apologised over the Islamophobic message displayed at the branch in Feltham, Middlesex, which it said was put up without the knowledge of staff. The discriminatory poster was in the style of a Lord Kitchener recruitment ad, but read: "Muslims. Are you unhappy with our countries? Are you offended by our culture? Would you prefer to live under sharia law?" Then we have a simple solution for you," it continued.

"Get the f*** out of our countries, and go back to the monstrous s*******s you came from.

"You can live under Muslim rule there and enjoy it as much as you like."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/wetherspoons-apologises-for-Muslims-get-out-of-our-country-pub-poster-10466917.html

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Which rules of war in Sharia do you think are subjective?

What does it matter what I think views are right on war.
What matters is that nobody can lay claim to be right on the matter when they use unreliable scources.

It does matter. I want to see how "subjective" (as you claim) these laws are?

Fight the unbelievers and force them to either convert, pay extortion tax, or die... straight out of the rule book fuzz...

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

What does it matter what I think views are right on war.
What matters is that nobody can lay claim to be right on the matter when they use unreliable scources.

It does matter. I want to see how "subjective" (as you claim) these laws are?

Can you authenticate the sources for your views on war in Islam?

In your own time

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It does matter. I want to see how "subjective" (as you claim) these laws are?

Can you authenticate the sources for your views on war in Islam?

In your own time

Lol! Why can't you answer my question?

We can all see if these laws are subjective.

Question again for Didge:



Which rules of war in Sharia do you think are subjective?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Can you authenticate the sources for your views on war in Islam?

In your own time

Lol! Why can't you answer my question?

We can all see if these laws are subjective.

Again these laws come from unathentic sources.
Which also Muslims as seen disagree on.
So who is right Zack?
You first have to prove which works are authentic and which are false?
Can you produce any original hadiths?
Or any full original Qurans?

I know very much your view on war which is in regards to trangsression.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Question again for Didge:



Which rules of war in Sharia do you think are subjective?

All of them

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Question again for Didge:



Which rules of war in Sharia do you think are subjective?

All of them

Lol!

List them then...

(You normally fill pages with your knowledge).

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

All of them

Lol!

List them then...

(You normally fill pages with your knowledge).

Like I said all of them ha ha ha ha ha

Again show me authetic works?

If you cannot then they are all subjective as they could be written with the views of others and not a claim from Allah or Muhammad.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol! Why can't you answer my question?

We can all see if these laws are subjective.

Again these laws come from unathentic sources.
Which also Muslims as seen disagree on.
So who is right Zack?
You first have to prove which works are authentic and which are false?
Can you produce any original hadiths?
Or any full original Qurans?

I know very much your view on war which is in regards to trangsression.

These Muslims all follow the same sources. So your point doesn't make sense.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol!

List them then...

(You normally fill pages with your knowledge).

Like I said all of them ha ha ha ha ha

Again show me authetic works?

If you cannot then they are all subjective as they could be written with the views of others and not Allah or Muhammad.

Thank for proving you actually know nothing about Islam.

Otherwise you would have no problem answering my question.

Nice try. Lol!

If you want 1 more try:

From the sources all Muslims use, can you list the laws of war in Islam?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Again these laws come from unathentic sources.
Which also Muslims as seen disagree on.
So who is right Zack?
You first have to prove which works are authentic and which are false?
Can you produce any original hadiths?
Or any full original Qurans?

I know very much your view on war which is in regards to trangsression.

These Muslims all follow the same sources. So your point doesn't make sense.

My point makes perfect sense, as it does not matter what each Muslim sect believes, they have no way to authetic the works.
Thus you could all be followingt he views of people who made eveything up.
Its the same in Christianity, do you have corroborating sources for the time?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:If you want 1 more try:

From the sources all Muslims use, can you list the laws of war in Islam?

Still subjective, can you prove who wrote them?

Can you provide corroborating evidence for them?

Hence all Muslims may well be following something not spoken by Muhammad at all.

Has that sunk in yet??

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

These Muslims all follow the same sources. So your point doesn't make sense.

My point makes perfect sense, as it does not matter what each Muslim sect believes, they have no way to authetic the works.
Thus you could all be followingt he views of people who made eveything up.
Its the same in Christianity, do you have corroborating sources for the time?

They all use the same sources - Quran and Sahih Hadith.

So yes, it is about what they believe.

And if you knew our beliefs, you would know that Isis don't even follow the Quran.

Cuchulain wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:If you want 1 more try:

From the sources all Muslims use, can you list the laws of war in Islam?

Still subjective, can you prove who wrote them?

Can you provide corroborating evidence for them?

Hence all Muslims may well be following something not spoken by Muhammad at all.

Has that sunk in yet??

I gave you all the respectful opportunities to answer.

Now everyone can see your lack of knowledge and it doesn't take much to crack your arrogant surface.

Take care.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

My point makes perfect sense, as it does not matter what each Muslim sect believes, they have no way to authetic the works.
Thus you could all be followingt he views of people who made eveything up.
Its the same in Christianity, do you have corroborating sources for the time?

They all use the same sources - Quran and Sahih Hadith.

So yes, it is about what they believe.

And if you knew our beliefs, you would know that Isis don't even follow the Quran.

For a start many differ over the hadiths.

Second these are some of the main sources.

If not authenticated, they are then very subjective.

You never asked me to view this as a taken source.

I am proving to you there is no way a Muslim can claim to follow the correct Islam, if the worls cannot be authenticated.

Thus they may not be following anything Muhammad taught

I know very well ISIS distort the Quran, but then again is the Quran authentic?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Still subjective, can you prove who wrote them?

Can you provide corroborating evidence for them?

Hence all Muslims may well be following something not spoken by Muhammad at all.

Has that sunk in yet??

I gave you all the respectful opportunities to answer.

Now everyone can see your lack of knowledge and it doesn't take much to crack your arrogant surface.

Take care.

You have not answered any of my points because you know what I say is true

Hence why many religions and their views are subjective if they cannot be authenticated, hence why you have to have beleif as you do

Tommy Monk wrote:Eight the unbelievers and force them to either convert, pay extortion tax, or die... straight out of the rule book fuzz...

Wrong.

It's in the Koran fuzz...

Tommy Monk wrote:It's in the Koran fuzz...

Those are not the rules of war in Islam. In fact, the opposite of what you mention.

For example, there is no compulsion in religion is a very clear rule.

Nems wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:the problem is morons like Tommy think that most Muslims want sharia.

the poster completely in the wrong those that made it should be prosecuted Because that is western culture  and part of western ideals of freedom.. Your freedom ends when it becomes hate speech.

I cannot fathom a society in which a business thought that was acceptable, it is like the UK is some racist backwater town. And Just like Tommy expects ALL Muslims to deal with it i expect ALL of Brits to deal with it... Brits have serious Issues with racism.

Why do we think they all want Sharia? Could it be the lack of any Muslim saying otherwise? Could it be the groups of Muslim men roaming the streets trying to impose Sharia controlled zones?

Also I think "death to the infidels" and "behead those who insult Islam" are hate speech too.
As for Weatherspoon's I doubt the staff had even seen it

that is what the paper has pictures of while ignoring the VAST majority that don't
they said the same things here decades ago and look IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT as soon as someone has the balls to go there and talk to people without being inflammatory it pretty apparent that it is not true. and many of the Muslims Don't like the dickheads wanting Sharia either.

veya_victaous wrote:

Nems wrote:

Why do we think they all want Sharia? Could it be the lack of any Muslim saying otherwise? Could it be the groups of Muslim men roaming the streets trying to impose Sharia controlled zones?

Also I think "death to the infidels" and "behead those who insult Islam" are hate speech too.
As for Weatherspoon's I doubt the staff had even seen it

that is what the paper has pictures of while ignoring the VAST majority that don't  
they said the same things here decades ago and look IT WAS ALL BULLSHIT as soon as someone has the balls to go there and talk to people without being inflammatory it pretty apparent that it is not true. and many of the Muslims Don't like the dickheads wanting Sharia either.

Where are all these Muslims that don't want it then? Where are all these anti ISIS marches. Where are all these people that want to join ISIS coming from if all these Muslims are so moderate

are you sure there are the people wanting to join ISIS in the number the media like to suggest?
Where are the Muslims that don't want it??? GETTING ON WITH THEIR LIVES... what a silly question, I know it is what the paper suggests but it is just ignorant.

Are you marching in protest of the British crimes that are committed everyday. are you there protesting against EDL or neo nazis? ... you are not ... so does that mean you support them?



http://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/453992/ISIS-terrorists-attacks-Tunisia-British-Muslim-anti-terror-video-viral

"I'm a British Muslim and I condemn these actions, all terrorist actions.

"It says in the Quran killing one person is like killing the whole of humanity.

"The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, like myself. You have good and bad in every religion, in every community.

"This is a time when people should unite, whether you're Muslim or non-Muslim, you should always condemn these kind of actions."

Watch the video
British Muslim telling anyone that supports ISIS to leave the UK... i can pretty much Guarantee that this is the Majority view.

and
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/Muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
this article saying up to 1.5 million COULD support ISIS .... is based on a poll of 2,016 British adults. a.k.a meaningless as such a small sample size is easily manipulated by 'selective' sampling and directed questioning.