Obese must get treatment or lose benefits says PM:

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David Cameron will today launch review into cost of obesity and addiction
   The prime minister will pledge to make 'support and treatment' available
   But said he wanted to see more people 'coming off benefits and into work'

Obese people who refuse medical treatment to help them lose weight could have their benefits cut, the Prime Minister will announce today.

David Cameron will launch a review to work out the cost to taxpayers and the economy of 'preventable' conditions such as obesity and drug and alcohol addiction.

He has asked a government health adviser to examine plans to force people with health problems to undertake treatment when claiming benefits.
Mr Cameron will pledge to make 'support and treatment' available to those with drug and alcohol problems, and the obese, who want 'the opportunity to improve their lives'.

But he will add: 'We must look at what we do when people simply say no thanks and refuse that help but expect taxpayers to carry on funding their benefits.
Over the next five years I want to see many more people coming off sick benefit and into work.'
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Around 90,000 people claiming sickness benefits, worth on average around £100 a week, whose primary condition is alcoholism or drug addiction could have their payments docked unless they agree to treatment. A further 1,800 receive incapacity benefit with the main reason listed as weight-related issues.

The claimants currently get offered treatment such as courses and medication to help them get better and back to work, but there is no legal requirement to accept the help.

Dame Carol Black, chairman of the Nuffield Trust and an adviser to the Department of Health, will today make an urgent call for evidence from experts and medical specialists before providing recommendations.

She said: 'Addiction to drugs and alcohol, and in some cases extreme obesity, can have a profoundly damaging impact on people's chances of taking up meaningful employment.

'By reviewing the support that is available here and abroad to people with these conditions, it is my hope that we can present a thorough analysis of the options available to Government. I am looking forward to discussing these issues with as many people as possible.'



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i guess he will be in favour of eugenics very soon

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/11407747/Fat-genes-are-to-blame-for-a-fifth-of-obesity.html


Fat genes are to blame for more than a fifth of obesity meaning exercise and dieting are of little use to millions, a new study has found.

The landmark research, published in the journal Nature, is the most precise estimate yet for the percentage of obesity caused by DNA rather than lifestyle and is expected to fuel moves to categorise obesity as a disability.
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this fucking government is getting beyond a joke more like 1940 germany that 2015 uk

She doesn't need any more help - cutting out the Red Bull will cut out 3,000 calories a day, and she'll lose weight.

Raggamuffin wrote:She doesn't need any more help - cutting out the Red Bull will cut out 3,000 calories a day, and she'll lose weight.

Do you understand metabolism?
She needs further help more than anything after that intake.

Tommy Monk wrote:KD, you made the claim about many obesity cases being down to genetics, then used the article to back up your claim.

so some obesity is  down to genetics as i claimed and cited the piece of research confirming that
yet you said "Hardly genetic like KD claims " what part of that claim is false ?

Now I'm not disputing that there are some heavier set people about who are naturally large and fall into the BMI category of overweight... but these are Not the big fatties that We are talking about!!!


Most rugby players are technically classed as overweight as are many heavy weight boxers etc...


The excuse that it is genetic for the people who are so fat that they then try TO claim not being able to work etc is just bollocks!!!

i did not claim all obesity was genetic did i ? honestly you inflating what i actually said and cited published information to suit your hatred of fat people

and she is not asking for a gastric band the clue for that is in what she said “I don’t want a gastric band or surgery"

do you have trouble with your reading ? or do you just see what you want to see

Raggamuffin wrote:She doesn't need any more help - cutting out the Red Bull will cut out 3,000 calories a day, and she'll lose weight.

another one who did not read it

she has stopped drinking it  and lost about 30 pounds(good for her )she is seeking help isn`t that what you two wanted ?

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:She doesn't need any more help - cutting out the Red Bull will cut out 3,000 calories a day, and she'll lose weight.

another one who did not read it

she has stopped drinking it  and lost about 30 pounds(good for her )she is seeking help isn`t  that what you two wanted ?

So she just needs to continue to not drink it, and she'll lose more.

A naturally large built person may not be fat at all but still fall into the BMI category of overweight or obese because it is only based on a height and weight calculation and A set scale... these people are Not the big fatties we are talking about who only have one excuse for their situation which is eating too much, too much shit and not doing any/enough exercise.

"...Lupari plans to move to England for a gastric band operation where she hopes the UK National Health Service will cover the cost of her surgery..."


http://firstwefeast.com/drink/woman-drank-almost-two-gallons-of-red-bull-in-a-single-day-claims-shes-gone-blind/

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:

another one who did not read it

she has stopped drinking it  and lost about 30 pounds(good for her )she is seeking help isn`t  that what you two wanted ?

So she just needs to continue to not drink it, and she'll lose more.

yes don`t admit you got it wrong didn`t read it and went off on a completely wrong tract

And Tommy shot him self in the foot with it because he just jumped on the headline as usual and got the actual story wrong and the facts wrong
And she is asking for help to do just that as both of you want jeeze

but i am sure if she is looking in she will appreciate your expert advice

I hope they don't pay for it. She's saving £450 a month now out of her benefits - she should pay for it herself. She got in that state through stupidity anyway.

Some people do need help to lose weight, due possibly to ignorance regarding health and calories etc, and also some eat because of depression - of course the depression gets worse the more you eat, and therein lies the vicious circle.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So she just needs to continue to not drink it, and she'll lose more.

yes don`t admit you got it wrong didn`t read it and went off on a completely wrong tract

And Tommy shot him self in the foot with it because he just jumped on the headline as usual and got the actual story wrong and the facts wrong
And she  is asking for help to do just that as both of you want jeeze

but i am sure if she is looking in she will appreciate your expert advice  

I did read about it, and I just explained that she doesn't need more help. You can make excuses for the stupid woman if you want to.

eddie wrote:Some people do need help to lose weight, due possibly to ignorance regarding health and calories etc, and also some eat because of depression - of course the depression gets worse the more  you eat, and therein lies the vicious circle.

28 cans a day of Red Bull is a bit OTT don't you think? Nobody should need educating about that.

There's also no suggestion that she was on disability benefits because of her weight. She gets a huge amount of benefits though - too much clearly if she can spend that much on Red Bull.

Tommy Monk wrote:"...Lupari plans to move to England for a gastric band operation where she hopes the UK National Health Service will cover the cost of her surgery..."


http://firstwefeast.com/drink/woman-drank-almost-two-gallons-of-red-bull-in-a-single-day-claims-shes-gone-blind/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422017/red-bull-lena-lupari-government-ireland

“I don’t want a gastric band or surgery but I think they should offer help for someone with this and to motivate them — something like a boot camp,” she told the Daily Mail.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422017/red-bull-lena-lupari-government-ireland



you really need to stop using fringe sites for your information

Boot camp! She can go for a walk like everyone else, or do some dancing. She's already losing weight, so she just needs to keep it up.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yes don`t admit you got it wrong didn`t read it and went off on a completely wrong tract

And Tommy shot him self in the foot with it because he just jumped on the headline as usual and got the actual story wrong and the facts wrong
And she  is asking for help to do just that as both of you want jeeze

but i am sure if she is looking in she will appreciate your expert advice  

I did read about it, and I just explained that she doesn't need more help. You can make excuses for the stupid woman if you want to.

you said she should stop drinking and loose weight
yet she has and did loose weight so obviously you did not read it because if you did, your comment makes no sense

And i am not making excuses what excuses are you referring to she is asking for some help i see nothing wrong with that and its laudable

isn`t that what you two wanted ? we give help to smokers or dug users,or alcoholics i see no difference hear

in fact the very first post
says

The prime minister will pledge to make 'support and treatment' available


so i don`t see what your two`s problem is she is asking for exactly what the PM has pledged

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I did read about it, and I just explained that she doesn't need more help. You can make excuses for the stupid woman if you want to.

you said she should stop drinking and loose weight
yet she has and did loose weight so obviously you did not read it because if you did, your comment makes no sense

And i am not making excuses what excuses are you referring to she is asking for some help i see nothing wrong with that and its laudable

isn`t that what you two wanted ? we give help to smokers or dug users,or alcoholics i see no difference hear  

So she just needs to carry on not drinking it and losing weight. It's not rocket science. She doesn't need boot camps.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
you said she should stop drinking and loose weight
yet she has and did loose weight so obviously you did not read it because if you did, your comment makes no sense

And i am not making excuses what excuses are you referring to she is asking for some help i see nothing wrong with that and its laudable

isn`t that what you two wanted ? we give help to smokers or dug users,or alcoholics i see no difference hear  

So she just needs to carry on not drinking it and losing weight. It's not rocket science. She doesn't need boot camps.

no it`s dietary science

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So she just needs to carry on not drinking it and losing weight. It's not rocket science. She doesn't need boot camps.

no it`s dietary science

It's not that scientific. She was taking in 3,000 a day calories from the Red Bull alone, so if she cuts it out she will lose weight. She has done that, and she is losing weight. It's not been very long - too soon for her to be whining that she can't lose any more without going to a boot camp.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:Some people do need help to lose weight, due possibly to ignorance regarding health and calories etc, and also some eat because of depression - of course the depression gets worse the more  you eat, and therein lies the vicious circle.

28 cans a day of Red Bull is a bit OTT don't you think? Nobody should need educating about that.

Yes it's OTT to the extreme, but perhaps she's just stupid?

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

28 cans a day of Red Bull is a bit OTT don't you think? Nobody should need educating about that.

Yes it's OTT to the extreme, but perhaps she's just stupid?

She certainly is, but she's finally realised that there are a lot of calories in Red Bull which led to weight gain. It took her five years or something to realise that. Still, now she knows.

Well perhaps she always knew, it's only now she cared!

eddie wrote:Well perhaps she always knew, it's only now she cared!

Possibly, but then if she knew all along, it was her own fault for carrying on drinking it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
no it`s dietary science

It's not that scientific. She was taking in 3,000 a day calories from the Red Bull alone, so if she cuts it out she will lose weight. She has done that, and she is losing weight. It's not been very long - too soon for her to be whining that she can't lose any more without going to a boot camp.

it`s more scientific that you think hell they is a whole industry built around it people have actually died trying to do to much to fast
and the help is being offered by the pm in the form of support and treatment because not every body can just walk a few extra miles and that would do the trick

but it`s interesting this woman is tying to do something positive yet we still have you and Tommy lambasting her getting and the facts wrong based on only a newspaper piece not knowing any thing else about her or her life than that

how very judgemental of you both case of damned when she is obese damned when she try`s to do something about and asks for the help being offered

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not that scientific. She was taking in 3,000 a day calories from the Red Bull alone, so if she cuts it out she will lose weight. She has done that, and she is losing weight. It's not been very long - too soon for her to be whining that she can't lose any more without going to a boot camp.

it`s more scientific that you think hell they is a whole industry built around it people have actually died trying to do to much to fast
and the help is being offered by the pm in the form of support and treatment because not every body can just walk a few extra miles and that would do the trick

but it`s interesting this woman is tying to do something positive yet we still have you and Tommy lambasting her getting and the facts wrong based on only a newspaper piece not knowing any thing else about her or her life than that

how very judgemental of you both case of damned when she is obese damned when she try`s to do something about and asks for the help being offered

There's a whole industry based around people trying to get money for inventing different diets or exercise regimes you mean.

If she can't walk a few miles, how is she going to manage a boot camp? She doesn't need to do that much really - her BMR will be pretty high because of the weight she's carrying around, and if she's cutting 3,000 calories every day, and not substituting them by other means, she'll lose weight.

As I said, is she even on disability benefits? The issue was people on disability benefit refusing to help themselves or get help. She is helping herself and it's working. My point is that she doesn't need any more help in the form of money for bootcamps.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
it`s more scientific that you think hell they is a whole industry built around it people have actually died trying to do to much to fast
and the help is being offered by the pm in the form of support and treatment because not every body can just walk a few extra miles and that would do the trick

but it`s interesting this woman is tying to do something positive yet we still have you and Tommy lambasting her getting and the facts wrong based on only a newspaper piece not knowing any thing else about her or her life than that

how very judgemental of you both case of damned when she is obese damned when she try`s to do something about and asks for the help being offered

There's a whole industry based around people trying to get money for inventing different diets or exercise regimes you mean.

If she can't walk a few miles, how is she going to manage a boot camp? She doesn't need to do that much really - her BMR will be pretty high because of the weight she's carrying around, and if she's cutting 3,000 calories every day, and not substituting them by other means, she'll lose weight.

As I said, is she even on disability benefits? The issue was people on disability benefit refusing to help themselves or get help. She is helping herself and it's working. My point is that she doesn't need any more help in the form of money for bootcamps.

she isn`t asking for money ? she is asking for help and support the same as being offered by the PM and the the same support and help the nhs and doctors give to smokers and drug users and alcoholics as she said she was addicted to red bull
addictions are very hard to kick with out professional help and guidance

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

There's a whole industry based around people trying to get money for inventing different diets or exercise regimes you mean.

If she can't walk a few miles, how is she going to manage a boot camp? She doesn't need to do that much really - her BMR will be pretty high because of the weight she's carrying around, and if she's cutting 3,000 calories every day, and not substituting them by other means, she'll lose weight.

As I said, is she even on disability benefits? The issue was people on disability benefit refusing to help themselves or get help. She is helping herself and it's working. My point is that she doesn't need any more help in the form of money for bootcamps.

she isn`t asking for money ? she is asking for help and support the same as being offered by the PM and the the same support and help the nhs and doctors give to smokers and drug users and alcoholics as she said she was addicted to red bull
addictions are very hard to kick with out professional help and guidance

She wants help in the form of a bootcamp, so who's going to pay for that?

She's not addicted - she already gave it up.

I was making two points... her choice of bad diet is cause of her fatness... plus she obviously gets too much in benefits like too many other people...


Also... if she has a liking for caffeine then she should drink tea or coffee like everyone else!!!

And without sugar would be a good idea!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:I was making two points... her choice of bad diet is cause of her fatness... plus she obviously gets too much in benefits like too many other people...


Also... if she has a liking for caffeine then she should drink tea or coffee like everyone else!!!

And without sugar would be a good idea!!!

If she could afford £450 a month on Red Bull, she is getting too much in benefits. So much for these "poor" people on benefits who can't afford food.

victorismyhero wrote:

nicko wrote:VICTOR,  they don't do topless photo's anymore,  I sent mine to them,  the swine sent 'em back!

some people have no appreciation for the finer things in life nicko

Tsk tsk Victor.  I assume you are referring to fine wine and the like? x