Outraged protesters chase Tory MP out of town after he turns up to open foodbank

victorismyhero wrote:I'll give you a clue

as a skilled electronics engineer with years of experience in supervisory roles

I wouldnt get out of bed for less than £30/hr plus benefits (pension, health cover etc)

Tommy Monk wrote:You can rent as big a house as you want when you Are working and paying for it yourself out of your wages... that is your choice... if you want an expensive big house with loads of unnecessary space, spare rooms, or even a swimming pool or a tennis court, or what about a heli-pad...!?

Your wages/savings etc paying for it then your choice!!!


But if you are not working and want to claim benefits then tough shit!!!


You will only get given enough for the basics!!!


Working People can only have what they can afford.


Why should unemployed people have what they want and have it paid for by others and have it better than most of those who are paying for it!?



Where I live... there is a woman with 3 kids (ages 2, 4 &12)... they have a nice 3 bedroom council/housing association house to live in, very nicely decked out, she has never worked, runs a car, always getting take aways etc...

Then there is another  couple, married, two kids, (6 & 9), he works full time at a local council, she works part time, they are buying their ex council flat... but can only afford a one bedroom flat that has been converted into a very tight fit two bed flat... very cramped, no take aways and always skint and struggling!!!


This working couple look up to the woman in the nice 3bed place and see how the other half live!!!



Is this fair...!?


Something is very wrong with the system when the unemployed are better off than working People!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:If you can't afford it then don't have it and don't expect others to pay for it.






But we are talking about people who get plenty on money provided for the basics but then say they don't have money for efood when this money for food has been given to them... what are they spending their money on if not food and basic essentials!?

korban dallas wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:If you can't afford it then don't have it and don't expect others to pay for it.






But we are talking about people who get plenty on money provided for the basics but then say they don't have money for efood when this money for food has been given to them... what are they spending their money on if not food and basic essentials!?

Cuchulain wrote:British households are living beyond their means and throwing around cash at a level that is unsustainable, the head of the government’s fiscal watchdog has warned. As shoppers break new records for Black Friday, Cyber Monday and now ‘Manic Monday’ spending, the head of the Office for Budget Responsibility warned that households are outspending their incomes at a higher level than in ‘almost any other year over the last 15 or 20.’  Robert Chote told a panel of MPs that consumers have been upping their spending, which in turn helps improve the growth of the economy. But the increased expenditure does not mean that households have more cash to spare – they are just using their savings, he said.




Beyond our means: Household debt is expected to rise as a proportion of incomes

‘If you look at the relatively robust pace of growth over recent quarters, that has been reflected particularly in terms of the contribution from the consumer, in terms of people running down saving rather than having stronger income growth,’ he told the Treasury Select Committee. ‘We have assumed that it is not plausible [that this could continue].’ Consumer spending grew by 2.1 per cent in the first nine months of this year, even though wages continued to stagnate, figures from the OBR show. The economists estimate that the huge gap between earning and spending is the second largest since the mid-1990s. Meanwhile households are predicted to save around 5.4 per cent of their incomes on average next year, down from 6.6 per cent this year. Households are likely to start curbing their spending into the new year so that their outgoings are more in line with their incomes, Mr Chote added. Consumer spending is expected to slow to 2.2 per cent in 2016 as the saving ratio stabilises. Then, as wage growth starts to pick up from 2016, consumption will start to rise again.








A nation of shop seekers: Consumption among employees has increased while wages have stagnated

Total household debt stood at £1,670billion as of the second quarter of this year. The OBR has increased its forecast of unsecured household debt as households continue to spend beyond their means. The increase partly reflects an increasing confidence that interest rates will stay at rock-bottom for some time.



Distribution: Workers on lower incomes have seen greater rises in earnings this year than those paid more

The forecasts come as debt experts warned that as many as one in four credit card customers are paying the minimum every month or struggling to pay at all.  One in five respondents with a credit card said they only made the minimum payment in October, while a further one in 20 said they made no payment or paid off less than the minimum.  A customer with a £2,500 balance on a typical credit card with an 18.9 per cent APR will take more than 25 years to clear their balance if they only make £5 minimum monthly payments, the Debt Advisory Centre said.



Read more: http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-2869771/British-households-living-means-time-20-years-OBR-warns.html#ixzz3h4l7gdtl

sassy wrote:Well, Osborne has made sure my grandson is going to start his working life up to his eyes in debt, about £50,000 now he has abolished the maintenance grant.  I presume Didge would consider him irresponsible for having that level of debt?   If so, there are going to be thousands like him.   And if he buys a house when he has been working a few years (fat chance at the moment) he'll have a lot more debt.

Tommy Monk wrote:Labour have caused the problems with mass immigration and bad fiscal policies.