WATCH: NYPD officers beat young black man who had his hands up over pizza he didn’t steal

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A grocery store surveillance video shows a young black man holding his hands up in surrender before two New York police officers start pounding him in the head over the suspected theft of a $3 slice of pizza. Thomas Jennings, 24, can be seen in the surveillance camera video leaning on the counter at a grocery store in Brooklyn on July 7, when NYPD officer Lenny Lutchman approaches from behind and immediately starts shoving him in the chest and grabbing his wrist. Jenning appears surprised and raises both hands in surrender. Suddenly, Lutchman’s partner Pearce Martinez runs in and without breaking his stride or saying anything, rains down a full-force right hand punch to Jennings’ head. He continues to pummel him and Lutchman joins in, hitting Jennings with his baton. During the beating, Jennings remains curled over the counter and doesn’t fight back. While Martinez handcuffs Jennings, Lutchman continues striking him, even though Martinez is facing no challenge from Jennings, who appears to helpfully put his hand behind his back.






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Irn Bru wrote:I wonder why the headline didn't just say...

WATCH: NYPD officers beat young black man who had his hands up over pizza he didn’t steal

Well, exactly!

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:I wonder why the headline didn't just say...

WATCH: NYPD officers beat young black man who had his hands up over pizza he didn’t steal

Well, exactly!

I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

If this is a case of mistaken identity and he has wrongly stopped based solely on a discrimination of being black, would it not then have every relevance to the story.
Does Irn and Eddie both know and understand how many Blacks are wrongly stopped, arrested etc in the US based solely on a description of black. How many are wrongly stereotype with criminality just for being black.

Hey ho, maybe you both think that has no relevance and you could be right, but what certainly happens is that many are wrongly stopped just for being black.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:I wonder why the headline didn't just say...

WATCH: NYPD officers beat young black man who had his hands up over pizza he didn’t steal

Well, exactly!

I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

i dont disagree with your points. I merely pointed out that the article was about race.

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

i dont  disagree with your points. I merely pointed out that the article was about race.

Well if he had done no wrong and he was wrongly stopped, could it then also be because he is black?
The article eludes to him being innocent, so they could very well have a case he was stereotyped as a criminal for just being black Eddie.
So would is being black then have relevance to the article?
He may well be guilty but the article is stating otherwise, so I guess they see this correlation to him being black

eddie wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

i dont  disagree with your points. I merely pointed out that the article was about race.

Which is why I mentioned the race of the officers. Didge didn't think race was relevant then, but now he thinks it might be.

Raggamuffin wrote:

eddie wrote:

i dont  disagree with your points. I merely pointed out that the article was about race.

Which is why I mentioned the race of the officers. Didge didn't think race was relevant then, but now he thinks it might be.

Thinks?
I am showing what the article is going off.
I do not think the brutality was racial but wrongly stopping him could very well have been born from racial stereotypes.
All I am saying is that it is a possibility, if of course he is innocent.

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Which is why I mentioned the race of the officers. Didge didn't think race was relevant then, but now he thinks it might be.

Thinks?
I am showing what the article is going off.
I do not think the brutality was racial but wrongly stopping him could very well have been born from racial stereotypes.
All I am saying is that it is a possibility, if of course he is innocent.

Or it might have been because they genuinely thought he had been with someone else who threatened an employee with a knife over a pizza. Whether he did or not remains to be seen.

Cuchulain wrote:

eddie wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:I wonder why the headline didn't just say...

WATCH: NYPD officers beat young black man who had his hands up over pizza he didn’t steal

Well, exactly!

I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

Irn does indeed know this.

So the thread was always about race then - and Raggs was right then when she mentioned it early in the thread?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:


Thinks?
I am showing what the article is going off.
I do not think the brutality was racial but wrongly stopping him could very well have been born from racial stereotypes.
All I am saying is that it is a possibility, if of course he is innocent.

Or it might have been because they genuinely thought he had been with someone else who threatened an employee with a knife over a pizza. Whether he did or not remains to be seen.

All possibilities which still does not excuse the excessive force when he offered submission by putting his arms up. Again the article is eluding to him being innocent it even makes the claim in the title. Thus it clearly believes there is a strong possibility he was wrongly stopped due to a racial stereotype of blacks as criminals.


Right have a good evening all and Eddie post some pic threads in Miscellany that you might be interested in.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

Irn does indeed know this.

So the thread was always about race then - and Raggs was right then when she mentioned it early in the thread?

She said I brought up race.
She was wrong, I never did.
That is what she claimed, where all I did was post the article.
You are doing it again, not even debating the points and even wrongly going off what was stated between us both.
This is why you are becoming pointless to debate.
I suggest you read back

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:



I thought the man beaten was black?
Is that wrong.
Blacks are often stereotyped as criminals and wrongly stopped and accosted just for being black as a discrimination bythe Police or does not even Irn know this?

Irn does indeed know this.

So the thread was always about race then - and Raggs was right then when she mentioned it early in the thread?

She said I brought up race.
She was wrong, I never did.
That is what she claimed, where all I did was post the article.
You are doing it again, not even debating the points and even wrongly going off what was stated between us both.
This is why you are becoming pointless to debate.
I suggest you read back

But you have admitted that it is a racial thread so she's not exactly wrong is she?

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

She said I brought up race.
She was wrong, I never did.
That is what she claimed, where all I did was post the article.
You are doing it again, not even debating the points and even wrongly going off what was stated between us both.
This is why you are becoming pointless to debate.
I suggest you read back

But you have admitted that it is a racial thread so she's not exactly wrong is she?

About the article? No. About me bringing up race? Yes
Though I even question that when she was going off more in regards to the actual brutality, where I do not think there is any racial element.
She came out and said its a good thing they were not white with this more a racial point on the officers themselves. So she was right on the article but not off what she debated off the actual excessive force.
Like I said it was interesting that she did bring up race and that race was more in regards to white, not black.


Ta ta

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Or it might have been because they genuinely thought he had been with someone else who threatened an employee with a knife over a pizza. Whether he did or not remains to be seen.

All possibilities which still does not excuse the excessive force when he offered submission by putting his arms up. Again the article is eluding to him being innocent it even makes the claim in the title. Thus it clearly believes there is a strong possibility he was wrongly stopped due to a racial stereotype of blacks as criminals.


Right have a good evening all and Eddie post some pic threads in Miscellany that you might be interested in.

Well no - a complaint had been made by the employee at the other place. Jennings didn't deny being in that place, he denied that he stole anything or that a knife was involved. They approached the right person, it's just that we don't know yet if the complaint by the employee is accurate.

I'm not disputing that excessive force was used - I've said so several times.