David Starkey And The Dark Side Of English Nationalism

Tommy Monk wrote:Some white youth are definately getting dragged into the black gangsta culture and it is Scottish nationalism and (to a lesser extent) Welsh nationalism that is a destructive and divisive force to British identity and collective unity, strength and stability etc... and The EU is loving it!!!

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Some white youth are definately getting dragged into the black gangsta culture and it is Scottish nationalism and (to a lesser extent) Welsh nationalism that is a destructive and divisive force to British identity and collective unity, strength and stability etc... and The EU is loving it!!!

I knew you would like Starkey, Tommy. He's right up your street

The Scottish electorate voted to stay in the Union just as the British electorate will vote to stay in the EU.

And the number of Scottish MPs now at Westminster isn't a measure that they wouldn't do so again.

Belatucadros wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Some white youth are definately getting dragged into the black gangsta culture and it is Scottish nationalism and (to a lesser extent) Welsh nationalism that is a destructive and divisive force to British identity and collective unity, strength and stability etc... and The EU is loving it!!!

I knew you would like Starkey, Tommy. He's right up your street

The Scottish electorate voted to stay in the Union just as the British electorate will vote to stay in the EU.

And the number of Scottish MPs now at Westminster isn't a measure that they wouldn't do so again.

What has that got to do with the comments on the comparisons of the SNP?
Are you denying his historical knowledge of the similarities here he has made?

Irn Bru wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



What has that got to do with the comments on the comparisons of the SNP?
Are you denying his historical knowledge of the similarities here he has made?

Have you inadvertantly wandered on to the wrong thread here? This one is about the Dark Face of English Nationalism and his remarks about Scotland, Ireland and Wales being feeble little countries - all to the delight of the far right it would seem.

Never mind, you're here now so what do you think of what he is rambling on about?

Somehow I thought that a guy like Starkey would be right up your street - same as Tommy really.

Belatucadros wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:



What has that got to do with the comments on the comparisons of the SNP?
Are you denying his historical knowledge of the similarities here he has made?

Have you inadvertantly wandered on to the wrong thread here? This one is about the Dark Face of English Nationalism and his remarks about Scotland, Ireland and Wales being feeble little countries - all to the delight of the far right it would seem.

Never mind, you're here now so what do you think of what he is rambling on about?

Somehow I thought that a guy like Starkey would be right up your street - same as Tommy really.

Point 1) What far right? I do not support the far right. Never have. Your view is his views are now far right because you declare they are based on some inane Scottish twit as yourself?
Behave, counter the points.
You see all you can do is find a level abusive point based on what people back.
That is utterly immature mate. The fact you associate me with Tommy allows me to see you have conceeded

Irn Bru wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:


Point 1) What far right? I do not support the far right. Never have. Your view is his views are now far right because you declare they are based on some inane Scottish twit as yourself?
Behave, counter the points.
You see all you can do is find a level abusive point based on what people back.
That is utterly immature mate. The fact you associate me with Tommy allows me to see you have conceeded

Well you couldn't bring yourself to condemn English Nazi collaborators so I'm reading that you are actually a RW extremist disguised as a someone who stands up for equality and against xenephobia and racism when it's obvious that you are anything but that.

You have already admitted that you are a racist (or at least xenephobic) so nuff said on that score.

I don't agree with most of what Tommy posts on here but at least he has never abused Scots in the way that you have or ever said anything about family members in the shameful way that you did - certainly not that I have seen.

So there you go - you made your bed now go and lie in it.

Belatucadros wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Well you couldn't bring yourself to condemn English Nazi collaborators so I'm reading that you are actually a RW extremist disguised as a someone who stands up for equality and against xenephobia and racism when it's obvious that you are anything but that.

You have already admitted that you are a racist (or at least xenephobic) so nuff said on that score.

I don't agree with most of what Tommy posts on here but at least he has never abused Scots in the way that you have or ever said anything about family members in the shameful way that you did - certainly not that I have seen.

So there you go - you made your bed now go and lie in it.

Point 1) Why would I when I am Irish and they were neutral. Yet my Irish relatives came over to save your pathetic little Jock muggy arse. How good were they to save such a pathetic little unt like you Irn?  

Point 2  I am xenophobic against the Scots and rightly so, because of them we had countless people die in Northern Ireland because some of them were greedy wankers jumping into bed with the English taking confiscated land. Now you go made that Jews legally bought land in Israel and yet when I show the Jocks to be traitors, you are silent on this. Talk about double standards again. You cannot make it up, how I easily tie you up in knots.

So all you could do was deflect away from the points made because you have no answer and go on about why I rightly think the Jocks are a joke. Typically lefty extremist, he has no answer so talks about me lol

Tommy Monk wrote:

Belatucadros wrote:

Point 1) Why would I when I am Irish and they were neutral. Yet my Irish relatives came over to save your pathetic little Jock muggy arse. How good were they to save such a pathetic little unt like you Irn?  

Point 2  I am xenophobic against the Scots and rightly so, because of them we had countless people die in Northern Ireland because some of them were greedy wankers jumping into bed with the English taking confiscated land. Now you go made that Jews legally bought land in Israel and yet when I show the Jocks to be traitors, you are silent on this. Talk about double standards again. You cannot make it up, how I easily tie you up in knots.

So all you could do was deflect away from the points made because you have no answer and go on about why I rightly think the Jocks are a joke. Typically lefty extremist, he has no answer so talks about me lol

Explains why you hate the English so much though dodge...

Tommy Monk wrote:Irn... your last post is irrelevant to op And why shouldn't he be upset by someone slandering him with false accusations of tax dodging?


Obviously it was something he felt strongly about and took particular offence?

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

I think you have wandered on to the wrong thread once again as this one is about Starkey being the dark face of English nationalism so perhaps you would like to comment on that.

I know there is another thread on here about the subject you have brought up in that video and I'll probably pop over to that later and add a comment there.

Carry on...............

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

I think you have wandered on to the wrong thread once again as this one is about Starkey being the dark face of English nationalism so perhaps you would like to comment on that.

I know there is another thread on here about the subject you have brought up in that video and I'll probably pop over to that later and add a comment there.

Carry on...............

No it just adds to the views of Starkey to the Uk with nationalism which as seen is far worse and vile in the form of the SNP.
His comparrisons are very good I have to say. The same can be said with English nationalist parties but they are very minor indeed compared to the SNP

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

No it just adds to the views of Starkey to the Uk with nationalism which as seen is far worse and vile in the form of the SNP.
His comparrisons are very good I have to say. The same can be said with English nationalist parties but they are very minor indeed compared to the SNP

And your views on him saying that Scotland, Ireland and Wales are febble little countries are what exactly?

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

No it just adds to the views of Starkey to the Uk with nationalism which as seen is far worse and vile in the form of the SNP.
His comparrisons are very good I have to say. The same can be said with English nationalist parties but they are very minor indeed compared to the SNP

And your views on him saying that Scotland, Ireland and Wales are febble little countries are what exactly?

They are feeble in comparrison to England which has by and large ruled them for centuries.
Is it wrong to be accurate?
No. As nations they have pailed into comparrison of England. It does not mean the people are any less than the English or even their cultures, but from a historical point as nations they have been minor powers within the sphere of England.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

They are feeble in comparrison to England which has by and large ruled them for centuries.
Is it wrong to be accurate?
No. As nations they have pailed into comparrison of England. It does not mean the people are any less than the English or even their cultures, but from a historical point as nations they have been minor powers within the sphere of England.

So your views on another thread where you said 'we rule you' shows that you believe you are superior so in your own words that makes you a racist, xenphobic and a bigot?

It's certainly a strange thing for you to say considering that you hate the English as well - all because you are half Irish.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

They are feeble in comparrison to England which has by and large ruled them for centuries.
Is it wrong to be accurate?
No. As nations they have pailed into comparrison of England. It does not mean the people are any less than the English or even their cultures, but from a historical point as nations they have been minor powers within the sphere of England.

So your views on another thread where you said 'we rule you' shows that you believe you are superior so in your own words that makes you a racist, xenphobic and a bigot?

It's certainly a strange thing for you to say considering that you hate the English as well - all because you are half Irish.

Rule you does not mean I think a group of one people is superior to another.
At that point in time they rule them.
So your methodology is really daft.
I do not hate the English. I think at points in history some of the English have been barbaric and evil, just as I think the Ulster Scots are scum.
I do not even hate all scots just many are greedy traitors as seen throughout history.
lol you are desperate, as that had no point to the previous one showing how easily upset you are and cannot move on.
Seriously except the fact you are a pathetic Jock

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Rule you does not mean I think a group of one people is superior to another.
At that point in time they rule them.
So your methodology is really daft.
I do not hate the English. I think at points in history some of the English have been barbaric and evil, just as I think the Ulster Scots are scum.
I do not even hate all scots just many are greedy traitors as seen throughout history.
lol you are desperate, as that had no point to the previous one showing how easily upset you are and cannot move on.
Seriously except the fact you are a pathetic Jock

You quite clearly said previously 'we rule you' and that shows that you feel superior so that makes you a racist. That was your definition of a racist so my description of you fits.
Again incorrect, that is just daft lefty mentality which has no validity, because ruling a people does not mean they are superior biologically. They could be superior in forces, it does not mean any racial view except of course for the illogical view of a extreme lefty.
As seen your point makes no sense

And here it comes again - all that hate bottled up in you must be a terrible thing.
I have every right to feel the way I do about the Ulster Scots

It's true, you do hate the English with a passion.
Again the left poor tactic of claiming things that are just incorrect being as I followed England in sports supporting them
You haven't stopped banging on about the English attempting  to ethnically cleanse Ireland by confiscating their lands and them being bastards for the way they treated the Irish and for them being as low as the Scots which really just goes to show it's actually the British that you hate. You also didn't have a problem with people who collaborated with Nazi's just because you are half Irish.
That is pointing out factual history of which the English did attempt to do. That is like saying that I hate the Germans for attemting to ethnically cleanse the Jews. I certainly hated those that carried out these atrocities and have every right to do so It is the most idiotic argument someone from the left can claim because they have now deflected from the point of the thread to instead talk about me, because they constantly get schooled on history by me. The English and Scots did do these things, are you denying history now? Again I said from a point of you of my Irish ethnicity, what relevance would any English being traitors have to me based on Ireland being neutral in the war?
You still never provided an explanation to this.
Yes, you  really did say these things.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

And your views on him saying that Scotland, Ireland and Wales are febble little countries are what exactly?

They are feeble in comparrison to England which has by and large ruled them for centuries.
Is it wrong to be accurate?
No. As nations they have pailed into comparrison of England. It does not mean the people are any less than the English or even their cultures, but from a historical point as nations they have been minor powers within the sphere of England.

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

Rule you does not mean I think a group of one people is superior to another.
At that point in time they rule them.
So your methodology is really daft.
I do not hate the English. I think at points in history some of the English have been barbaric and evil, just as I think the Ulster Scots are scum.
I do not even hate all scots just many are greedy traitors as seen throughout history.
lol you are desperate, as that had no point to the previous one showing how easily upset you are and cannot move on.
Seriously except the fact you are a pathetic Jock

You quite clearly said previously 'we rule you' and that shows that you feel superior so that makes you a racist. That was your definition of a racist so my description of you fits.
Again incorrect, that is just daft lefty mentality which has no validity, because ruling a people does not mean they are superior biologically. They could be superior in forces, it does not mean any racial view except of course for the illogical view of a extreme lefty.
As seen your point makes no sense


No you personally said we rule you. That's the definition you used for superiority and all you are doing now is back pedalling.

And here it comes again - all that hate bottled up in you must be a terrible thing.
I have every right to feel the way I do about the Ulster Scots


Because of history relating to the Scots but not the English? lol

It's true, you do hate the English with a passion.

Again the left poor tactic of claiming things that are just incorrect being as I followed England in sports supporting them

Your claim to not hating the English rests on supporting the football team. Oh christ that is an absolute cracker

You haven't stopped banging on about the English attempting  to ethnically cleanse Ireland by confiscating their lands and them being bastards for the way they treated the Irish and for them being as low as the Scots which really just goes to show it's actually the British that you hate. You also didn't have a problem with people who collaborated with Nazi's just because you are half Irish
.
That is pointing out factual history of which the English did attempt to do. That is like saying that I hate the Germans for attemting to ethnically cleanse the Jews. It is the most idiotic argument someone from the left can claim because they have now deflected from the point of the thread to instead talk about me, because they constantly get schooled on history by me. The English and Scots did do these things, are you denying history now? Again I said from a point of you of my Irish ethnicity, what relevance would any English being traitors have to me based on Ireland being neutral in the war?
You still never provided an explanation to this.

I see history in a more balanced way than you are doing in the way you are showing inconsistent attitudes beteween the English and the Scots.

And there you go again reminding me about your failure to show disgust and condemnation at people who collaborated with the Nazi's just because you are half Irish. Thanks again.

Yes, you  really did say these things.

So I do not hate the British of which is just a concept, so again you just invent things because I rightly point out in history past events of things done by the English and Scots of which there was no union when the first attempts at ethnic cleasning occured. So again your history is poor and would be incorrect to say British. What are you an apologist to the violence done in Ireland by the English and Scots?
Talk about the worst apologist, next you will be denying the holocaust

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

So I do not hate the British of which is just a concept, so again you just invent things because I rightly point out in history past events of things done by the English and Scots of which there was no union when the first attempts at ethnic cleasning occured. So again your history is poor and would be incorrect to say British. What are you an apologist to the violence done in Ireland by the English and Scots?
Talk about the worst apologist, next you will be denying the holocaust

You do hate the British and it pours out of every pore in your body each time you add more to this discussion. English and Scots are British aren't they - or have you come up with another angle on that?

Cuchulain wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

So I do not hate the British of which is just a concept, so again you just invent things because I rightly point out in history past events of things done by the English and Scots of which there was no union when the first attempts at ethnic cleasning occured. So again your history is poor and would be incorrect to say British. What are you an apologist to the violence done in Ireland by the English and Scots?
Talk about the worst apologist, next you will be denying the holocaust

You do hate the British and it pours out of every pore in your body each time you add more to this discussion. English and Scots are British aren't they - or have you come up with another angle on that?

Think what you like.
The reality is different.
Being British is a concept which did not exist at the time when the Scots and irish were butchering in Ireland, so it would be wrong to class those at this time who did this. Scottish and English is just a concept also.
So run along and play with your Jihadi suicide Hamas Action men there is a good chap and sorry to spoil your poor attempt to start a fight

Irn Bru wrote:

Cuchulain wrote:

They are feeble in comparrison to England which has by and large ruled them for centuries.
Is it wrong to be accurate?
No. As nations they have pailed into comparrison of England. It does not mean the people are any less than the English or even their cultures, but from a historical point as nations they have been minor powers within the sphere of England.

So your views on another thread where you said 'we rule you' shows that you believe you are superior so in your own words that makes you a racist, xenphobic and a bigot?

It's certainly a strange thing for you to say considering that you hate the English as well - all because you are half Irish.

Tommy Monk wrote:There is no doubt that Scotland has been a major power within Britain over the centuries.

Tommy Monk wrote:English nationalism rags!!!???



That world of course be 'racist'!!!