David Starkey: Students and staff demand Cambridge University drop historian from promotional campaign due to his 'racist views'

Students and staff at Cambridge University are demanding that the academic institution drops Dr David Starkey from a major promotional campaign, due to his allegedly racist views, it has emerged. The well-known historian, who went to Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge, fronts a three-minute video which features university alumni such as Professor Stephen Hawking, Sir Ian McKellen, and Lily Cole, in a bid to raise £2 billion for the university.
But the decision by university bosses to choose the controversial figure as a figurehead in the short film, released last month, has been attacked by academics. Several members of staff at the English department, King’s College, Cambridge, have written an open letter condemning the move.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/david-starkey-students-and-staff-demand-cambridge-university-drop-historian-from-promotional-a6739636.html


Typical ignorant lefties.
His is very opinionated and not afraid to say how things are but far from racist which shows again that lefties fail to understand what racism is.

The man is barking mad. A raving loony, far right whinger. He was humiliated on QT by Dimbleby, the panel and thev audience last time he appeared, as they were laughing AT him.

I suggest you stop smoking the crack Andy as he is revered as one of our best historians and is not mad, which is amusing coming from a lefty who support barking made policies.

I mean here even on the BBC he is applauaded

Handy, it was because the audience were all "lefties"

Any leftiz, studentz I know are more of a danger to our island than any alleged racist which is a word I do not accept as it is used to try to win argumentz

Morning Nicko, hope you are well.
Have just viewed a good selection of QT's onYoutube featuring Starkey - in virtually every one he is arguementative , disruptive,racist, sexist, patronising to women ( whom he hates) and generally disruptive to the panel by his continual interruptions and not allowing other viewpoints.
I fear the only reason the BBC select him.as a panellist is to be controversial . Not the best reason for an intelligent debate. He is just a opinionated bigotted nasty little man.

It cites an appearance by the historian on BBC Newsnight in 2011 when he referred to Enoch Powell’s ‘rivers of blood’ speech as being right “in one sense” and said: “The whites have become black; a particular sort of violent destructive, nihilistic gangster culture has become the fashion.”

It adds: “Any institution making this choice of representative would seem to care very little about its appearance in the eyes of Black and Minority Ethnic students and staff, current and future...

Huh? What he said is actually lumping all white people together, but as usual, people only bleat on about black and minority ethnic people being offended.

David Starkey is a racist xenephobe and a bigot and anyone who supports what he says is right should be viewed in the same light.

David Starkey And The Dark Side Of English Nationalism

Well, we’ve seen the SNP leader and Scotland’s First Minster, Alex Salmond, compared to the dictator Robert Mugabe by the “respected” BBC journalist Jeremy Paxman (recent convert to the cause of the Apologia Pax Britannica), so should it come as any surprise that he is now being compared to the dictator “Adolf Hilter”? This latest jibe comes from the right-wing British TV historian and English nationalist David Starkey. An unapologetic defender of Greater England, the controversy-seeking academic made his claim at a conservative think-tank meeting in Britain (quelle surprise!).

http://ansionnachfionn.com/2012/04/20/david-starkey-and-the-dark-side-of-english-nationalism/

How anyone can condone the comments attributed to him in that article is beyond me. Well it is to be expected from some I suppose

He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Irn Bru wrote:David Starkey is a racist xenephobe and a bigot and anyone who supports what he says is right should be viewed in the same light.

David Starkey And The Dark Side Of English Nationalism

Well, we’ve seen the SNP leader and Scotland’s First Minster, Alex Salmond, compared to the dictator Robert Mugabe by the “respected” BBC journalist Jeremy Paxman (recent convert to the cause of the Apologia Pax Britannica), so should it come as any surprise that he is now being compared to the dictator “Adolf Hilter”? This latest jibe comes from the right-wing British TV historian and English nationalist David Starkey. An unapologetic defender of Greater England, the controversy-seeking academic made his claim at a conservative think-tank meeting in Britain (quelle surprise!).

http://ansionnachfionn.com/2012/04/20/david-starkey-and-the-dark-side-of-english-nationalism/

How anyone can condone the comments attributed to him in that article is beyond me. Well it is to be expected from some I suppose

It does make a change to see Scotland described as a "feeble little country" though Bru. Usually, that's how England is described on here by the Aussie.

It's also not racist to compare Mr Salmond to Hitler. It might be inaccurate and offensive, but it's not racist. He's accusing Mr Salmon of being racist towards the English isn't he? If accusing someone of being racist is a racist thing to do, there are lot of racists out there.

Didge wrote:He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Well no surprise that you happen to pop up on this one. As someone who has populated this board regulary with anti-Scottish bile in the very worst kind I just knew you wouls come back defending him.

Jewish group blasts Starkey Nazi slurs

"Mr Salmond has personally demonstrated his own commitment to the Scottish Jewish community and everything he has said in reference to the Jewish community has demonstrated his determination to ensure that it is a respected component in an inclusive and multicultural Scotland."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13055068.Jewish_group_blasts_Starkey_Nazi_slurs/

You are no standard bearer in the fight against racism, xenaphobia  and bigotry but don't worry Didge - I know where you stand.

I would defend my island to my death and be called a racist for going against scum who wanna ruin it, if that makes me a racist then so be it.

Stormee wrote:I would defend my island to my death and be called a racist for going against scum who wanna ruin it, if that makes me a racist then so be it.

But your Island includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well doesn't it?

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Well no surprise that you happen to pop up on this one. As someone who has populated this board regulary with anti-Scottish bile in the very worst kind I just knew you wouls come back defending him.

Jewish group blasts Starkey Nazi slurs

"Mr Salmond has personally demonstrated his own commitment to the Scottish Jewish community and everything he has said in reference to the Jewish community has demonstrated his determination to ensure that it is a respected component in an inclusive and multicultural Scotland."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13055068.Jewish_group_blasts_Starkey_Nazi_slurs/

You are no standard bearer in the fight against racism, xenaphobia  and bigotry but don't worry Didge - I know where you stand.

But Bru, he wasn't having a go at Jews was he? He was only comparing them to English people as viewed by Mr Salmond. He was saying that the Mr Salmond is the xenophobic bigot wasn't he?

Everyone is bigoted in some way, why not? if you cannot be bigoted in a so called free society, heaven help us.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's also not racist to compare Mr Salmond to Hitler. It might be inaccurate and offensive, but it's not racist. He's accusing Mr Salmon of being racist towards the English isn't he? If accusing someone of being racist is a racist thing to do, there are lot of racists out there.

Where has Alex Salmond been racist towards the English?

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's also not racist to compare Mr Salmond to Hitler. It might be inaccurate and offensive, but it's not racist. He's accusing Mr Salmon of being racist towards the English isn't he? If accusing someone of being racist is a racist thing to do, there are lot of racists out there.

Where has Alex Salmond been racist towards the English?

I'm not saying he has Bru. I'm just saying that David Starkey thinks he has, but that doesn't mean that David Starkey was being racist for accusing someone else of being racist.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Well no surprise that you happen to pop up on this one. As someone who has populated this board regulary with anti-Scottish bile in the very worst kind I just knew you wouls come back defending him.

Jewish group blasts Starkey Nazi slurs

"Mr Salmond has personally demonstrated his own commitment to the Scottish Jewish community and everything he has said in reference to the Jewish community has demonstrated his determination to ensure that it is a respected component in an inclusive and multicultural Scotland."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13055068.Jewish_group_blasts_Starkey_Nazi_slurs/

You are no standard bearer in the fight against racism, xenaphobia  and bigotry but don't worry Didge - I know where you stand.

But Bru, he wasn't having a go at Jews was he? He was only comparing them to English people as viewed by Mr Salmond. He was saying that the Mr Salmond is the xenophobic bigot wasn't he?

Well he was comparing him to Hitler and we know what his views were on Jews don't we?

Irn Bru wrote:

Stormee wrote:I would defend my island to my death and be called a racist for going against scum who wanna ruin it, if that makes me a racist then so be it.

But your Island includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as well doesn't it?

YES, deffo.IB.

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Well no surprise that you happen to pop up on this one. As someone who has populated this board regulary with anti-Scottish bile in the very worst kind I just knew you wouls come back defending him.

Jewish group blasts Starkey Nazi slurs

"Mr Salmond has personally demonstrated his own commitment to the Scottish Jewish community and everything he has said in reference to the Jewish community has demonstrated his determination to ensure that it is a respected component in an inclusive and multicultural Scotland."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13055068.Jewish_group_blasts_Starkey_Nazi_slurs/

You are no standard bearer in the fight against racism, xenaphobia  and bigotry but don't worry Didge - I know where you stand.

You see this is why the left use the most illogical arguments as how is being against a political group being anti-scottish?

Please explain that Irn as I am sure now you believe that by that logic being against any English nationalist party would be then anti-English/

Do you want to rethink how daft your view point was.

My views on the colloborators who were traitors to their fellow celts is a matter of history where they got into bed with the English over lands confiscated from the Irish by the English which has directly led to the conflict we saw for many years in Northern Ireland. That is not being anti-Scottish but showing how a large percentage of Scottish betrayed their Celtic brothers for greed. I means its not like Jews buying land in Palestine or where israel has been attacked, this was some of the scotiish descendents being utterly greedy and traitors.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But Bru, he wasn't having a go at Jews was he? He was only comparing them to English people as viewed by Mr Salmond. He was saying that the Mr Salmond is the xenophobic bigot wasn't he?

Well he was comparing him to Hitler and we know what his views were on Jews don't we?

Exactly. He was saying that Salmond's view of the English was the same as Hitler's views about Jews. He wasn't saying that he has that same view of Jews.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It's also not racist to compare Mr Salmond to Hitler. It might be inaccurate and offensive, but it's not racist. He's accusing Mr Salmon of being racist towards the English isn't he? If accusing someone of being racist is a racist thing to do, there are lot of racists out there.

Where has Alex Salmond been racist towards the English?

I'm not saying he has Bru. I'm just saying that David Starkey thinks he has, but that doesn't mean that David Starkey was being racist for accusing someone else of being racist.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all feeble little countries according to Starkey. What a plank

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not saying he has Bru. I'm just saying that David Starkey thinks he has, but that doesn't mean that David Starkey was being racist for accusing someone else of being racist.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all feeble little countries according to Starkey. What a plank

Well Veya thinks that the UK is a feeble little country, particularly England, so I hope you think he's a plank too.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But Bru, he wasn't having a go at Jews was he? He was only comparing them to English people as viewed by Mr Salmond. He was saying that the Mr Salmond is the xenophobic bigot wasn't he?

Well he was comparing him to Hitler and we know what his views were on Jews don't we?

Exactly. He was saying that Salmond's view of the English was the same as Hitler's views about Jews. He wasn't saying that he has that same view of Jews.

Which was wrong and came from the dark side of his his English nationalism. It's just pure hate really against Salmond who has an excellent track record towards the acceptance of Jews in Scotland as well as many other ethinic communities.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not saying he has Bru. I'm just saying that David Starkey thinks he has, but that doesn't mean that David Starkey was being racist for accusing someone else of being racist.

Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are all feeble little countries according to Starkey. What a plank

Well Veya thinks that the UK is a feeble little country, particularly England, so I hope you think he's a plank too.

Well what Veya thinks is his business and besides he's been called a racist for his views.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly. He was saying that Salmond's view of the English was the same as Hitler's views about Jews. He wasn't saying that he has that same view of Jews.

Which was wrong and came from the dark side of his his English nationalism. It's just pure hate really against Salmond who has an excellent track record towards the acceptance of Jews in Scotland as well as many other ethinic communities.

He may well be wrong, but that doesn't make it a racist comment Bru. The acceptance of Jews in Scotland isn't relevant because Starkey was talking about Salmond's view of the English, not his view of Jewish people.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly. He was saying that Salmond's view of the English was the same as Hitler's views about Jews. He wasn't saying that he has that same view of Jews.

Which was wrong and came from the dark side of his his English nationalism. It's just pure hate really against Salmond who has an excellent track record towards the acceptance of Jews in Scotland as well as many other ethinic communities.

But hates the English, so David is bang on the money

Still waiting for you to answer how you equate hating a political party is hating the Scottish lol

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well Veya thinks that the UK is a feeble little country, particularly England, so I hope you think he's a plank too.

Well what Veya thinks is his business and besides he's been called a racist for his views.

But when Starkey says much the same thing, it's suddenly your business? Double standards Bru, double standards.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:He was bang on about the SNP and that was hilarious and shows the over sensitivities of them.
So another one that makes unfounded accusations to one of our best historians and thinks a view of Nick Griffin makes him racist lol
You cannot make it up how absurd some leties are.
When are some lefties even going to understand what the word racist actually means

Well no surprise that you happen to pop up on this one. As someone who has populated this board regulary with anti-Scottish bile in the very worst kind I just knew you wouls come back defending him.

Jewish group blasts Starkey Nazi slurs

"Mr Salmond has personally demonstrated his own commitment to the Scottish Jewish community and everything he has said in reference to the Jewish community has demonstrated his determination to ensure that it is a respected component in an inclusive and multicultural Scotland."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13055068.Jewish_group_blasts_Starkey_Nazi_slurs/

You are no standard bearer in the fight against racism, xenaphobia  and bigotry but don't worry Didge - I know where you stand.

You see this is why the left use the most illogical arguments as how is being against a political group being anti-scottish?

Please explain that Irn as I am sure now you believe that by that logic being against any English nationalist party would be then anti-English/

Do you want to rethink how daft your view point was.

My views on the colloborators who were traitors to their fellow celts is a matter of history where they got into bed with the English over lands confiscated from the Irish by the English which has directly led to the conflict we saw for many years in Northern Ireland. That is not being anti-Scottish but showing how a large percentage of Scottish betrayed their Celtic brothers for greed. I means its not like Jews buying land in Palestine or where israel has been attacked, this was some of the scotiish descendents being utterly greedy and traitors.

I've never been against any English nationalist party that accepts people for who they are without discriminating against them. They have every right to their views and self-deterimination if they so choose..

That's your problem in that you can only see it one way which is daft.

Your anti-Scottish bile goes way beyond what happened in Ireland but as I say don't worry about Didge. I know where you stand.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well Veya thinks that the UK is a feeble little country, particularly England, so I hope you think he's a plank too.

Well what Veya thinks is his business and besides he's been called a racist for his views.

But when Starkey says much the same thing, it's suddenly your business? Double standards Bru, double standards.

When it's a tirade againd Scots then of course it's my busines - I'm a Scot

It's up to the Australians to look after themselves.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly. He was saying that Salmond's view of the English was the same as Hitler's views about Jews. He wasn't saying that he has that same view of Jews.

Which was wrong and came from the dark side of his his English nationalism. It's just pure hate really against Salmond who has an excellent track record towards the acceptance of Jews in Scotland as well as many other ethinic communities.

But hates the English, so David is bang on the money

Still waiting for you to answer how you equate hating a political party is hating the Scottish lol

Who has said they hate the English? Just you really

Your wait is over.

aIrn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

You see this is why the left use the most illogical arguments as how is being against a political group being anti-scottish?

Please explain that Irn as I am sure now you believe that by that logic being against any English nationalist party would be then anti-English/

Do you want to rethink how daft your view point was.

My views on the colloborators who were traitors to their fellow celts is a matter of history where they got into bed with the English over lands confiscated from the Irish by the English which has directly led to the conflict we saw for many years in Northern Ireland. That is not being anti-Scottish but showing how a large percentage of Scottish betrayed their Celtic brothers for greed. I means its not like Jews buying land in Palestine or where israel has been attacked, this was some of the scotiish descendents being utterly greedy and traitors.

I've never been against any English nationalist party that accepts people for who they are without discriminating against them. They have every right to their views and self-deterimination if they so choose..

That's your problem in that you can only see it one way which is daft.

Your anti-Scottish bile goes way beyond what happened in Ireland but as I say don't worry about Didge. I know where you stand.

Again you make pathetic and feeble attemopts to deligitimize me and not answer my points

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?
You are an apologist for the Scottish traitors. Its not me being anti scottish but pointing out the fundemental facts for the time which lead to the problems in Northern Ireland.
You are just an apologist which you are to most things that are inherantly wrong.

I do not hate the scottish in any shape or form, I just love winding you up as I know you bite, more so because you support Islamic terrorists and antisemitism through your open support of Political Hamas.

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But when Starkey says much the same thing, it's suddenly your business? Double standards Bru, double standards.

When it's a tirade againd Scots then of course it's my busines - I'm a Scot

It's up to the Australians to look after themselves.

But he's also saying it about Scotland - after all, Scotland is part of the UK. However, if you turn a blind eye to the anti-British/anti-English ranting on here, I don't see how you can expect people to condemn Starkey for calling Scotland "feeble".  

Starkey's other comments were about Salmond and the SNP, not about Scotland generally. You seem to be saying that accusing someone of being a bigot is a bigoted thing to do, but only if the person doing the accusing isn't a leftie.

Typical leftie thinking.  

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

You see this is why the left use the most illogical arguments as how is being against a political group being anti-scottish?

Please explain that Irn as I am sure now you believe that by that logic being against any English nationalist party would be then anti-English/

Do you want to rethink how daft your view point was.

My views on the colloborators who were traitors to their fellow celts is a matter of history where they got into bed with the English over lands confiscated from the Irish by the English which has directly led to the conflict we saw for many years in Northern Ireland. That is not being anti-Scottish but showing how a large percentage of Scottish betrayed their Celtic brothers for greed. I means its not like Jews buying land in Palestine or where israel has been attacked, this was some of the scotiish descendents being utterly greedy and traitors.

I've never been against any English nationalist party that accepts people for who they are without discriminating against them. They have every right to their views and self-deterimination if they so choose..

That's your problem in that you can only see it one way which is daft.

Your anti-Scottish bile goes way beyond what happened in Ireland but as I say don't worry about Didge. I know where you stand.

Again you make pathetic and feeble attemopts to deligitimize me and not answer my points

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?
You are an apologist for the Scottish traitors. Its not me being anti scottish but pointing out the fundemental facts for the time which lead to the problems in Northern Ireland.
You are just an apoligist which youa re to most things that are inherantly wrong.

I do not hate the scottish in any shape or form, I just love winding you up, more so because you support Islmic terrorist and antisemitism through your open support of Political Hamas.

I never tried to deligitimize I just us your own words to make the point

And oh dear. Didge goes way off beam and ends up coming out with a tirade of abuse and verging on another anti-Scottish tirade diverting the thread into other areas..

Don't worry Didge - it was to be expected as it always is your usual play.

I know where you really stand.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But when Starkey says much the same thing, it's suddenly your business? Double standards Bru, double standards.

When it's a tirade againd Scots then of course it's my busines - I'm a Scot

It's up to the Australians to look after themselves.

But he's also saying it about Scotland - after all, Scotland is part of the UK. However, if you turn a blind eye to the anti-British/anti-English ranting on here, I don't see how you can expect people to condemn Starkey for calling Scotland "feeble".  

Starkey's other comments were about Salmond and the SNP, not about Scotland generally. You seem to be saying that accusing someone of being a bigot is a bigoted thing to do, but only if the person doing the accusing isn't a leftie.

Typical leftie thinking.  

Sure I have seen Veya mention specifically English but as he is not here at the moment I think we should leave him to speak for himself.

Of course Raggs, Saying Scotland is a feeble little country were not about Scotland

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:



Again you make pathetic and feeble attemopts to deligitimize me and not answer my points

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?
You are an apologist for the Scottish traitors. Its not me being anti scottish but pointing out the fundemental facts for the time which lead to the problems in Northern Ireland.
You are just an apoligist which youa re to most things that are inherantly wrong.

I do not hate the scottish in any shape or form, I just love winding you up, more so because you support Islmic terrorist and antisemitism through your open support of Political Hamas.

I never tried to deligitimize I just us your own words to make the point

And oh dear. Didge goes way off beam and ends up coming out with a tirade of abuse and verging on another anti-Scottish tirade diverting the thread into other areas..

Don't worry Didge - it was to be expected as it always is your usual play.

I know where you really stand.

Of course you are Irn, that is the only way you can debate as you are attempting to do with David, trying to deligitimize, it is how some of the left always argue, it is how the BDS argue.

What abuse?
So pointing out history and the fact you support Hamas of which you admitted is now abuse?

So you still cannot answer my questions

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?

Irn Bru wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

But he's also saying it about Scotland - after all, Scotland is part of the UK. However, if you turn a blind eye to the anti-British/anti-English ranting on here, I don't see how you can expect people to condemn Starkey for calling Scotland "feeble".  

Starkey's other comments were about Salmond and the SNP, not about Scotland generally. You seem to be saying that accusing someone of being a bigot is a bigoted thing to do, but only if the person doing the accusing isn't a leftie.

Typical leftie thinking.  

Sure I have seen Veya mention specifically English but as he is not here at the moment I think we should leave him to speak for himself.

Of course Raggs, Saying Scotland is a feeble little country were not about Scotland

I meant the comment about comparing Salmond to Hitler Bru - his comment wasn't about Scotland as a whole, it was about Salmond and the SNP.

I think there's been a fundamental misunderstanding here. Starkey wasn't having a pop at Jews or accusing Salmond of being racist against Jews, he was basically saying that Salmond was xenophobic and/or racist against the English.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:



Again you make pathetic and feeble attemopts to deligitimize me and not answer my points

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?
You are an apologist for the Scottish traitors. Its not me being anti scottish but pointing out the fundemental facts for the time which lead to the problems in Northern Ireland.
You are just an apoligist which youa re to most things that are inherantly wrong.

I do not hate the scottish in any shape or form, I just love winding you up, more so because you support Islmic terrorist and antisemitism through your open support of Political Hamas.

I never tried to deligitimize I just us your own words to make the point

And oh dear. Didge goes way off beam and ends up coming out with a tirade of abuse and verging on another anti-Scottish tirade diverting the thread into other areas..

Don't worry Didge - it was to be expected as it always is your usual play.

I know where you really stand.

Of course you are Irn, that is the only way you can debate as you are attempting to do with David, trying to deligitimize, it is how some of the left always argue, it is how the BDS argue.

What abuse?
So pointing out history and the fact you support Hamas of which you admitted is now abuse?

So you still cannot answer my questions

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?

Nothing wrong with being against a political party but comparing the SNP to Nazi's and Alex Salmond to Hitler is.

What abuse you say!!!. I'm an apologist for almost everything that is wrong The only apologist I see around here is you in defending Starkey was his disgracefull comments against Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Your comments are right up there with Griffin but don't worry about it and try to learn how to debate like Raggs for example without the need to rant and rave like a banshee warrior.

I'll catch you later when maybe you hace calmed down a bit but right now I have some work to do and I'm sure you must have as well.

Let's see what Starkey actually said about Scotland being "feeble".

To boos from the audience, Dr Starkey said: "If we decide to go down this route of having an English national day, that means we become a feeble little country, just like the Scots and the Welsh and the Irish.

"Once upon a time England was a great country. Remember we're distinguished by the fact that we don't have national dress.

"We don't make a great fuss about Shakespeare like the Scots do about that deeply boring provincial poet Burns."

He said England did not have national music "like the awful bagpipes".

"What the Scots and Welsh are, are typical small nations with a romantic 19th Century-style nationalism," he said.

So all he was saying was that the superficial self-congratulation of the Scots, the Welsh, and the Irish wasn't to his taste.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8016440.stm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXd5KiKWtVA

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Of course you are Irn, that is the only way you can debate as you are attempting to do with David, trying to deligitimize, it is how some of the left always argue, it is how the BDS argue.

What abuse?
So pointing out history and the fact you support Hamas of which you admitted is now abuse?

So you still cannot answer my questions

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?

Nothing wrong with being against a political party but comparing the SNP to Nazi's and Alex Salmond to Hitler is.

What abuse you say!!!. I'm an apologist for almost everything that is wrong The only apologist I see around here is you in defending Starkey was his disgracefull comments against Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Your comments are right up there with Griffin but don't worry about it and try to learn how to debate like Raggs for example without the need to rant and rave like a banshee warrior.

I'll catch you later when maybe you hace calmed down a bit but right now I have some work to do and I'm sure you must have as well.

Which shows you fail to grasp the context of where he is point out his hate is as bad as Hitlers, which is in no way racist but in fact actually very much bang on the money. Which shows you just scream racist to something which is not racist, which proves my point that you have no idea what racism is. You are an apologist by your open support of Political Hamas who has a charter which is explicit in its antisemitism, denies women and homosexuals equality as well as many other human rights abuses.

Again David made no hateful views and the problem  is with people like you that are so easily offended over comments which are very opinionate and meant to rattle a few cages, but it shows more about you than it does anything else.

Then we are back to you attempting to deligitimize me with feeble views again lol

I am very clam and its you that clearly was worked up, when you ended up making a poor claim that you know was illogical and daft , tried to avoid answering after being asked 4 times. Make poor unfounded accusations against a historian which you might want to listen to instead of your rants of abuse against him

Hope you enjoy your work and thanks for the enjoyment of watching you yet again flap so badly over your own errors.

Didge wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Didge wrote:

Of course you are Irn, that is the only way you can debate as you are attempting to do with David, trying to deligitimize, it is how some of the left always argue, it is how the BDS argue.

What abuse?
So pointing out history and the fact you support Hamas of which you admitted is now abuse?

So you still cannot answer my questions

Again how does being against a political party make you anti-Scottish?
Are you saying being anti-Nazi, makes a person hate Germans automatically by your illogical methodology?

Nothing wrong with being against a political party but comparing the SNP to Nazi's and Alex Salmond to Hitler is.

What abuse you say!!!. I'm an apologist for almost everything that is wrong The only apologist I see around here is you in defending Starkey was his disgracefull comments against Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

Your comments are right up there with Griffin but don't worry about it and try to learn how to debate like Raggs for example without the need to rant and rave like a banshee warrior.

I'll catch you later when maybe you hace calmed down a bit but right now I have some work to do and I'm sure you must have as well.

Which shows you fail to grasp the context of where he is point out his hate is as bad as Hitlers, which is in no way racist but in fact actually very much bang on the money. Which shows you just scream racist to something which is not racist, which proves my point that you have no idea what racism is. You are an apologist by your open support of Political Hamas who has a charter which is explicit in its antisemitism, denies women and homosexuals equality as well as many other human rights abuses.

Again David made no hateful views and the problem  is with people like you that are so easily offended over comments which are very opinionate and meant to rattle a few cages, but it shows more about you than it does anything else.

Then we are back to you attempting to deligitimize me with feeble views again lol

I am very clam and its you that clearly was worked up, when you ended up making a poor claim that you know was illogical and daft , tried to avoid answering after being asked 4 times. Make poor unfounded accusations against a historian which you might want to listen to instead of your rants of abuse against him

Hope you enjoy your work and thanks for the enjoyment of watching you yet again flap so badly over your own errors.

No Didge, you were heading for another blow out until I pointed it out to you which is why you managed to barely keep yourself in check. And of course now you are diverting the thread all over the place in an effort to get off the subject of Starkey

So you said he said nothing hatefull.

David Starkey sparks outrage after calling Medhi Hasan 'Ahmed' on Question Time

The historian and broadcaster made the comments when talking about freedom of speech in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shooting, which left 12 people dead.

During the discussion instead of calling the Muslim journalist by his forename he called him "Ahmed".

The comment saw people on Twitter blast Mr Starkey as a "xenophobic" while Mr Mr Hasan called him "Katie Hopkins with a PhD".

One social networking user said: "Rampant xenophobe David Starkey calls @mehdirhasan 'Ahmed' on #bbcqt - you couldn't make it up. Could the BBC just stop inviting this idiot?"

While another added: "Time to stop giving David Starkey a platform. Addressing Mehdi Hasan as Ahmed is not on, on or off national television. #bbcqt".

It marks the latest in a long line of incidents which has seen the 70-year-old at the centre of controversy.

Last February Mr Starkey caused a furious reaction when he also said on Question Time that rape should be measured by violence - not consent.

He said: "The word ‘rape’ means violence.

"That is the Latin route; that is how it has always existed in English; that is how it has always been understood.

"What we have tried to do is to take that word, with all of its terrible associations, and apply it to a whole series of much more awkward, much more difficult to establish, much more contested and contentious sexual encounters by focusing on this issue of consent, which so often boils down to his word against her word.

"Now I cannot see how the law is at all good in dealing with this. It really isn’t, it works very badly."

George Galloway, who was a fellow panelist on the show that episode, described Mr Starkey's comments as "utter reactionary tosh".

In 2011 Mr Starkey's appearance on fellow BBC programme Newsnight sparked more than 700 complaints after the historian claimed "whites have become black".

He made the remarks, described by Labour leader Ed Miliband as "outrageous" and "disgusting", after the London riots during August 2011.

While journalist Piers Morgan blasted Mr Starkey as "a racist idiot" for the comments.

David Starkey on Question TimeIG
David Starkey sparked a furious Twitter reaction with the 'Ahmed' comment

In August 2012 the TV historian was once again at the centre of anger when he compared Alex Salmond to Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler.

During a debate about the teaching of history in UK schools, he said: "If you think about it, Alex Salmond is a democratic Caledonian Hitler.

"Although some would say Hitler was more democratically elected"

A spokesman for the-then Scottish First Minister said Mr Starkey was spouting "offensive nonsense" which was an "insult" to Scotland.

They added: “This offensive nonsense is actually an insult to Scotland and to the people of Scotland.

"David Starkey is getting dafter and crankier with every passing day.

"His litany of offensive comments are designed only to provoke outrage, and thankfully England is blessed with a great number of far better historians than him.

"We can count ourselves lucky that David Starkey is nowhere near the teaching of history in Scottish schools."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/552457/David-Starkey-Medhi-Hasan-Question-Time-outrage-Ahmed

He's a bit like you Didge

Queen is poorly educated and philistine, says Starkey

As the country's most high-profile historian of the British monarchy, one might expect David Starkey to take a warm view of the house of Windsor.

But in a week in which the Queen overtook Victoria as Britain's longest-lived monarch, Starkey has delivered a less than rose-tinted verdict on the head of state, accusing her of philistinism and being uninterested in her predecessors, largely due to being poorly educated.

"I think she's got elements a bit like Goebbels in her attitude to culture," the historian told the Guardian. "You remember: 'Every time I hear the word culture I reach for my revolver.' "

When Starkey was showing the Queen round an exhibition he had curated about Elizabeth I in 2003, he found her more preoccupied with the late arrival of her drink (gin and Dubonnet) than the works on display. Her only comment on the exhibition was that one of the objects was hers.

This, said Starkey, reminded him of "a housewife" who'd been left some wonderful possessions. "She'd looked after them, she'd put in place much better arrangements for their care, but again - I suppose it's this absence of any kind of, to be blunt, serious education."

He cannot help comparing her with Elizabeth I, who also acceded the throne at 25, "but was 20 times as well educated. And had either five or six languages."

He was also struck that the Queen does not seem to have any interest in those who preceded her grandfather, George V.

Starkey said that he had read all of her Christmas broadcasts. "It's quite fascinating, because her frames of reference to the monarchy, despite this 1,500-year history, are entirely her father and grandfather.

"There is a reference to Elizabeth I. It was in the second Christmas broadcast when - I remember vividly - there was all this talk about a second Elizabethan age. Elizabeth turns to this in her broadcast, and says: 'Frankly, I do not myself feel at all like my Tudor forebear, who was blessed with neither husband nor children, who ruled as a despot and was never able to leave her native shores.' "

Starkey is also dismissive of "sad ... hysterical, self-abusing ... extraordinarily destructive" Diana, and, in the last show of his 17-part Monarchy series, to be broadcast on Boxing Day, openly wonders whether it is time for the monarchy to divest itself of the Church of England. But, in a conclusion that may surprise many, he suggests that Prince Charles might be the monarchy's best hope for survival.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/22/monarchy.topstories3

What a charming man

lol is that it? Calling him the wrong name?
ha ha ha ha

So was it intentional?
talk about subjective and based on the biased view of the writer lol

If you claim yes, then you would be very much lying.

Sorry that cracked me up.

So now calling someone the wrong name is racist to Iron Curtain

Starkey in 'Scotland adores failure' rant

THE "rudest man in Britain" yesterday turned his acid tongue on Scotland in a three-pronged attack on its history, its politics and its people.

TV historian David Starkey called Mary, Queen of Scots, "a whore and a trollop and a murderess", accused the Scots of "adoring failure", and branded the SNP "utterly contemptible".

Starkey, who rose to fame presenting historical television programmes about the lives of the Tudors, was on a radio programme, giving his thoughts on the SNP's idea of returning Mary, Queen of Scots', remains to Scotland.

He said: "It's exactly the kind of Scottish sentiment that makes the Scottish Nats' shortbread, tartaned, biscuit-tinned view of Scotland that is totally and utterly contemptible."

Starkey, who has gained a reputation for acerbic outbursts against the Queen, the BBC and Tony Blair, made the comments on Radio 2 comedy programme, Clive Anderson's Chat Room.

He added that Mary, who he said despised being queen of Scotland, would hate the idea of being returned, and that actually made her the perfect heroine for a people who "adore failure".

He said: "The only victory (Scots] have ever celebrated is Bannockburn; the rest is about wallowing in failure. They even have special music for failure – it's called bagpipes."

The 30-minute panel show is billed as a fast-paced entertaining satirical talk show, during which opinionated panellists speak their mind about the hot topics of the day.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/starkey-in-scotland-adores-failure-rant-1-1438572#ixzz3s2I4ih2m

Oh I shall leave poor irn to his spamming and hatred of a historian lol

Off home enjoy your afternoon at work Irn

David Starkey claims 'the whites have become black'

The historian and broadcaster David Starkey has provoked a storm of criticism after claiming during a televised discussion about the riots that "the problem is that the whites have become black".

In an appearance on BBC2's Newsnight, Starkey spoke of "a profound cultural change" and said he had been re-reading Enoch Powell's rivers of blood speech.

"His prophesy was absolutely right in one sense. The Tiber did not foam with blood but flames lambent, they wrapped around Tottenham and wrapped around Clapham," he said.

"But it wasn't inter-community violence. This is where he was absolutely wrong." Gesturing towards one of the other guests, Owen Jones, who wrote Chavs: the Demonisation of the Working Classes, Starkey said: "What has happened is that a substantial section of the chavs that you wrote about have become black."

An outcry on Twitter began with the Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn asking the BBC: "Why was racist analysis of Starkey unchallenged? What exactly are you trying to prove?" A spokesman for Newsnight said: "I think that [presenter] Emily Maitlis very robustly challenged David Starkey.

"The two guests [Jones and the writer and education adviser Dreda Say Mitchell] that we had also quite clearly took issue with his comments."

Jones told the Guardian he believed Starkey's comments were "a career-ending moment". He said: "He tapped into racial prejudice at a time of national crisis. At other times, those comments would be inflammatory but they are downright dangerous in the current climate.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/13/david-starkey-claims-whites-black

Rivers of Blood Didge. He says Enoch was right.

Oh dear.

Didge wrote:Oh I shall leave poor irn to his spamming and hatred of a historian lol

Off home enjoy your afternoon at work Irn

I'm finished Didge. Enjoy the golf with the MD

Didge wrote:lol is that it?  Calling him the wrong name?
ha ha ha ha

So was it intentional?
talk about subjective and based on the biased view of the writer lol

If you claim yes, then you would be very much lying.

Sorry that cracked me up.

So now calling someone the wrong name is racist to Iron Curtain

I'm not at all  surprised that you defend this Didge when it is clearly an offensive dig at the man for the worst reasons possible.

Like I said - you are no standard bearer against racism, xenephibia and bigoty and the evidence for that is not only on this thread but also on several others as well. It just seeps out of you when you get angry and you go off the scale.

I've got all that I want out of you on this one so I'll leave you to have the last word as it's most important to you

See you claim it is a dig based on a subjective point of view and cannot comprehend it could have been in error.
That is the lengh you will go to Irn in the poor attempt to deligitimize people. That is the only way you know how to debate
As to your claims on me just further proves this point lol
So thank you for proving my point.