Outrage as NACCP president outed as being 100% Caucasian

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Well, this is just bizarre – OK, it’s VERY bizarre – the parents of the President of the local Spokane, Washington, USA NAACP organization have come out to tell the truth about their daughter:  she’s white.  The parents of Rachel Dolezal say she has been lying in every way possible about her race.

The president of a local chapter of the NAACP who has identified as partially black on official documents is “Caucasian by birth,” according to her parents, who are accusing her of misrepresenting her identity.

Rachel Dolezal, head of the NAACP chapter in Spokane, Washington, does not speak to her parents. This week, they told reporters that Dolezal is white, despite how she portrays herself.

“She knows it’s false, but I think she’s told herself as well as she’s told others this erroneous identity of hers enough that by now, she may believe it more than she believes the truth,” Dolezal’s mother, Ruthanne Dolezal, told NBC affiliate KHQ in Spokane. Ruthanne and her husband Larry live in Montana and have not been in contact with their daughter for years.

“She is Caucasian by birth,” Larry told KHQ.

On Friday in an interview with HuffPost Live, Dolezal’s parents added that it wasn’t their daughter’s identification with African Americans that was painful, but “for her to reject us as her parents is what hurts.”

Ruthanne went on to plead to her daughter, “we love you, please tell the truth.”

On Friday, the NAACP said it has a “long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds.”

“NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership,” it said in a statement, adding that it stood behind her advocacy record.

In addition to her position at the NAACP, Dolezal, 37, is the chairwoman of Spokane’s Office of Police Ombudsman Commission, a volunteer appointment. On the application for the job, she identified as white, black, and American Indian.

Prompted by claims from her parents that their family heritage is Czech, Swedish, German and a trace of Native American — but not black — the city is looking into whether Dolezal violated policy by lying about her race on a job application.

“We are gathering facts to determine if any city policies related to volunteer boards and commissions have been violated,” Mayor David Condon and Council President Ben Stuckart said in a statement Thursday. “That information will be reviewed by the City Council, which has oversight of city boards and commissions.”

“I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT YES, I DO CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE BLACK.”

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Lovedust. I just remembered as I was checking out.

And the guy I was trying to remember was Joy something.

Original Quill wrote:Lovedust.  I just remembered as I was checking out.

And the guy I was trying to remember was Joy something.

Joy Division?

Yes...exactly. Miss them. Anyone know where they are?

Joy division is nuts and also a long-standing troll.

Oh dear lord. Hahahahaha

Original Quill wrote:Yes...exactly.  Miss them.  Anyone know where they are?

Yes.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Yes...exactly.  Miss them.  Anyone know where they are?

Yes.

Xlnt. Wish them well.

eddie wrote:Joy division is nuts and also a long-standing troll.

Oh dear lord. Hahahahaha

I stayed out of the whole Joy thread and never visited the place. So, whatever went on there, I was never involved and don't have a side.

From the outside, it looked like a faction from here (or SF) broke off and started another site. Whatever went on there, something motivated most of them to come back. Since I was uninvolved, I have no judgments to make.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes.

Xlnt.  Wish them well.

I don't think so ...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Xlnt.  Wish them well.

I don't think so ...

It's of no consequence to me. If you don't wish them well, that's between you and them.

As I say, I don't pay attention.

She's now resigned. Nice! Somebody wanted the NAACP to lose a good leader and now it has.

Well, I watched an interview with her parents this morning.  The father seemed vague and disinterested, but her mother mentioned something about the cause being a difference between her and an adopted brother.  Nothing more was mentioned.

But it is enough to establish that this is a personal matter, caused by the parents.  They claim that the Coeur d'Alene Press contacted them to ask if she were black.  Now, why would a newspaper do that if something didn't prompt it?  It doesn't make sense.

There is no significance to the story outside of the personal realm.  Clearly, no one cares. It is of no concern to the NAACP.  So I suspect that her resignation was to clear up the personal matter.  After she has done that, I feel she'll be back.

If she'd never lied then there would be have been a problem.
It's as simple as that really.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't think so ...

It's of no consequence to me.  If you don't wish them well, that's between you and them.

As I say, I don't pay attention.

Sorry - didn't mean to sound churlish.

Ms. Dolezal was on several news talk shows this morning.  Her message is that she identifies with blacks, and has since age 5.  Her representations of being black were personal to her; she had no motive to gain by representing herself that way.

This was my first impression a couple of days ago.  It's a personal affectation, as would be the case if she changed her hair color.  Much ado about nothing.

The real story is that mother of hers.  Apparently, she caused all of the publicity and commotion.  What was that all about?  And the story percolating to the top about that adopted brother.  Someone is a bit manipulative here, but I don't think it's Ms. Dolezal.

I think she's off her head. This is not just an affectation, she is posing as a black person for some really bizarre reason.

Even Michael Jackson didn't pretend that he had a white father.

What about this story she came up with about her father's father slapping a white police officer to his knees, and then escaping from the deep south on the midnight train?

Does anyone believe that? Who is this black chap who she claims is her father anyway? Is the claiming that her mother had an affair?

At least the mystery of her hair has been solved - it's a weave, which I think means extensions.

Ragamuffin wrote:I think she's off her head. This is not just an affectation, she is posing as a black person for some really bizarre reason.

If it’s not an affectation, what is it?  Fodder for people with too much time on their hands?  It’s her business how she styles her coiffure.

Raggamuffin wrote:What about this story she came up with about her father's father slapping a white police officer to his knees, and then escaping from the deep south on the midnight train?

Sounds like a folk song by Gladys Knight: Takin’ the Midnight Train to Alaska…

Raggamuffin wrote:Does anyone believe that? Who is this black chap who she claims is her father anyway? Is the claiming that her mother had an affair?

It’s not important who he is…I see another hit song by the Temptations:  Popa was a Strollin' Bone.

Raggamuffin wrote:At least the mystery of her hair has been solved - it's a weave, which I think means extensions.

Do you think those are extensions?   To me, it looks too frizzy.  Extensions are for blonds with long curls.  But maybe they have something new on the market.

Look, if the woman is inventing a new father who had to do a midnight flit at the age of 5, she's clearly not all there.

She looks just like her mother. It's a pity she doesn't look just like her father, otherwise she'd be busted.

She said her hair was a weave, and you can indeed get extensions for black hair. Extensions aren't always blonde and curly.

Raggamuffin wrote:Look, if the woman is inventing a new father who had to do a midnight flit at the age of 5, she's clearly not all there.

She looks just like her mother. It's a pity she doesn't look just like her father, otherwise she'd be busted.

She said her hair was a weave, and you can indeed get extensions for black hair. Extensions aren't always blonde and curly.

This whole thing was started by her family, so we agree that is the focus.  Now I have listened to her mother and father--the white ones, lol--in interviews, and to her own interview.  I think it clearly comes across as her mother is the sore spot here.  The mother let drop that Rachel had differences with another adopted son of the family...and I could easily be convinced it had to do with race.

Picture a Republican family, rooted in stoic values and racism...daughter goes off to university and is liberalized...comes home on Christmas...gets into it with brother who is an unreformed, counter-revolutionary slov...voilà.  Mother goes public.

I still don't see an explanation of why the Coeur d'Alene Press suddenly took such an interest in this story.  Eastern Washington State is in the orbital influence of Idaho, a Mormon state.  I'm feeling the characteristic nastiness of conservatism in this scenario.

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Raggamuffin wrote:Look, if the woman is inventing a new father who had to do a midnight flit at the age of 5, she's clearly not all there.

She looks just like her mother. It's a pity she doesn't look just like her father, otherwise she'd be busted.

She said her hair was a weave, and you can indeed get extensions for black hair. Extensions aren't always blonde and curly.

This whole thing was started by her family, so we agree that is the focus.  Now I have listened to her mother and father--the white ones, lol--in interviews, and to her own interview.  I think it clearly comes across as her mother is the sore spot here.  The mother let drop that Rachel had differences with another adopted son of the family...and I could easily be convinced it had to do with race.

Picture a Republican family, rooted in stoic values and racism...daughter goes off to university and is liberalized...comes home on Christmas...gets into it with brother who is an unreformed, counter-revolutionary slov...voilà.  Mother goes public.

I still don't see an explanation of why the Coeur d'Alene Press suddenly took such an interest in this story.  Eastern Washington State is in the orbital influence of Idaho, a Mormon state.  I'm feeling the characteristic nastiness of conservatism in this scenario.

She made some claims that hate mail was received at the NAACP postbox. There's a bit of confusion about that, and I think that's when her parents had enough and grassed her up.

I think there's a difference between someone saying that they'd like to be black and even trying to look black, and someone claiming to actually be black, and to invent a whole story about their family. Doesn't she also have an adopted brother, who she has now adopted and calls her son?

There's a chap, Albert Wilkerson, who appears to be the one she's claiming is her father, but he's not saying he is.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think there's a difference between someone saying that they'd like to be black and even trying to look black, and someone claiming to actually be black, and to invent a whole story about their family.

Only in the personal recesses of the individual mind is that significant. Some people write their novel in the second-person point of view, others write it in the first-person. In either case, it’s theirs to write.

Really, the only shred to which you can relate this is her application to the NAACP, on which she checked the box indicating African-American. Now this is a volunteer position, not a job application. It’s about as consequential as sending in for a Flash Gordon Compass ring.

Who knows, perhaps she was feeling a bit silly that afternoon. Maybe she misunderstood, and erroneously thought that she had to be black to become a member. I think her actions were tantamount to using a fake ID in order to get into a rock concert.

The only story here is about us. Why are we so fascinated by this? Clearly not all of the important interests of this story have come to light. Why does this mother feel it is so important to make this an international news story? What is the interest of the Coeur d'Alene Press? Why do Republicans lie?

Well it's just weird isn't it? It's even more weird the way she keeps on deflecting when she's asked direct questions about her background. I mean - saying that she has no DNA proof that her parents are really her parents is really scraping the barrel.

I think she's an attention seeker, and I don't blame her parents for getting sick and tired of hearing all her absurd claims.

I'd never heard of this woman obviously before all this. If I had seen a picture of her, would I have said she's black? I'm not sure, but probably not. Then again, I really don't get this thing where people are claiming that a person is a particular race when they're clearly not.

Do you not find this sort of thing a bit divisive? it's like they're saying that a black person must be a certain way culturally, and a white person must be a certain way culturally. All the people I've known who are not white don't go around bleating on about their race. We just talk normally about normal things.

It seems to be much more of an issue in the US. Would you agree?

If a man can think that they are a woman and walk about in a dress and a wig and then have surgery to change their bits about, then why can't a white woman think she's a black woman and get a couple of spray tans and a perm...!?





It's all perfectly normal and natural these days you know... all in The name of equality mind!!!

It's not a perm, it's a weave!

Raggamuffin wrote:Well it's just weird isn't it? It's even more weird the way she keeps on deflecting when she's asked direct questions about her background. I mean - saying that she has no DNA proof that her parents are really her parents is really scraping the barrel.

I think she's an attention seeker, and I don't blame her parents for getting sick and tired of hearing all her absurd claims.

Meh, I think she is probably playing the same game you are...pick out details to throw the story off. Only you haven't got reporters sticking mics in your face...you're doing it for fun. She probably is evading...more importantly, why are people like you interested? There is no there, there.

An attention seeker chases attention; she doesn't get chased, as this young woman has been. Work yourself back up the chain of information, if you are so interested. Why did her mother make such a public issue of it? And why did the Coeur d'Alene Press go all crazy over this story? Look for questions without answers, and answers without questions.

This is an answer without a question. Why is this mother making this non-story public? Why does the Coeur d'Alene Press jump all over the story? Obviously, the story is over there.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well it's just weird isn't it? It's even more weird the way she keeps on deflecting when she's asked direct questions about her background. I mean - saying that she has no DNA proof that her parents are really her parents is really scraping the barrel.

I think she's an attention seeker, and I don't blame her parents for getting sick and tired of hearing all her absurd claims.

Meh, I think she is probably playing the same game you are...pick out details to throw the story off.  Only you haven't got reporters sticking mics in your face...you're doing it for fun.  She probably is evading...more importantly, why are people like you interested?  There is no there, there.

An attention seeker chases attention; she doesn't get chased, as this young woman has been.  Work yourself back up the chain of information, if you are so interested.  Why did her mother make such a public issue of it?  And why did the Coeur d'Alene Press go all crazy over this story?  Look for questions without answers, and answers without questions.

This is an answer without a question.  Why is this mother making this non-story public?  Why does the Coeur d'Alene Press jump all over the story?  Obviously, the story is over there.

As you say, I'm doing it for fun. It makes no difference to my life if some daft woman claims to be black when she isn't. You should perhaps be concerned because she's indulging in race baiting - coming up with a story that her black relatives had to leave the deep south on the midnight train because of a white police officer and all that.

Raggamuffin wrote:It's not a perm, it's a weave!

Thought it may have been a 'wigger'...!

Raggamuffin wrote:Well it's just weird isn't it? It's even more weird the way she keeps on deflecting when she's asked direct questions about her background. I mean - saying that she has no DNA proof that her parents are really her parents is really scraping the barrel.

I think she's an attention seeker, and I don't blame her parents for getting sick and tired of hearing all her absurd claims.

She's ashamed of her colour and that is sad.
She clearly has issues so needs to address them.
I'm sure posters in here were having a go at HF because he said he was black - and they didn't believe him.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well it's just weird isn't it? It's even more weird the way she keeps on deflecting when she's asked direct questions about her background. I mean - saying that she has no DNA proof that her parents are really her parents is really scraping the barrel.

I think she's an attention seeker, and I don't blame her parents for getting sick and tired of hearing all her absurd claims.

She's ashamed of her colour and that is sad.
She clearly has issues so needs to address them.
I'm sure posters in here were having a go at HF because he said he was black - and they didn't believe him.

It is sad eddie, but it's also a bit mad.

I'd like to know if this Albert Wilkerson left the deep south on a midnight train when he was 5 years old.

If we can accept that a female has been born in The 'wrong' male body... then why not a black person being born in The 'wrong' white body...!?

Raggamuffin wrote:You should perhaps be concerned because she's indulging in race baiting

Of course, she's not the one doing anything. But otherwise, you are right...her mother is indulging in race baiting.

If she changed her shade of lipstick or her hair color no one would care. But change her affiliation based upon skin color, and everyone around her is up in arms. Hmmm...who has the problem?

She is a white woman pretending to be a black woman.


Either we are all the same or we aren't.

Tommy Monk wrote:She is a white woman pretending to be a black woman.

Either we are all the same or we aren't.

Of course, and neither hair color nor skin color should even be noticed. The only ones for whom this is an important issue are those to whom skin color is significant.

Seems this woman thinks it's important... she must be a racist!!!

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:You should perhaps be concerned because she's indulging in race baiting

Of course, she's not the one doing anything.  But otherwise, you are right...her mother is indulging in race baiting.

If she changed her shade of lipstick or her hair color no one would care.  But change her affiliation based upon skin color, and everyone around her is up in arms.  Hmmm...who has the problem?

She invented a story about her fictitious black father's family having to flee the deep south to escape the police. That's race baiting.

Quite right rags!

Tommy Monk wrote:Seems this woman thinks it's important... she must be a racist!!!

Her mother thinks it is important. And the Coeur d'Alene Press thinks its important. For those individuals and entities, I think you are on to something tommy. I tend to believe racism in involved in their motives.

Her mother is probably just tired of her lies. After all, Rachel is implying that her mother is not her mother, or that her mother had an affair.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Of course, she's not the one doing anything.  But otherwise, you are right...her mother is indulging in race baiting.

If she changed her shade of lipstick or her hair color no one would care.  But change her affiliation based upon skin color, and everyone around her is up in arms.  Hmmm...who has the problem?

She invented a story about her fictitious black father's family having to flee the deep south to escape the police. That's race baiting.

Dead wrong, as with all of your posts. This is a perfect example of your twisting-the-facts, in order to bring to the fore your racism. Ahem...you are the race baiter.

The Coeur d'Alene Press brought this story to light.

The twister accusing others of twisting!

Look if someone goes round lying about something as huge as the colour of their skin, then they are liars.
And someone once told me that liars are more dangerous than anyone.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

She invented a story about her fictitious black father's family having to flee the deep south to escape the police. That's race baiting.

Dead wrong, as with all of your posts.  This is a perfect example of your twisting-the-facts, in order to bring to the fore your racism.  Ahem...you are the race baiter.

The Coeur d'Alene Press brought this story to light.  

Ah, so you're saying that her story is true. Can you explain how you know it's true?

Raggamuffin wrote:Her mother is probably just tired of her lies. After all, Rachel is implying that her mother is not her mother, or that her mother had an affair.

So...this is just what MUMS would want.  To publicize her own infidelity on the front page of every newspaper in the world?  I think not.  You're not thinking.

I am sure tommy is right...there is racism here.  I think the racists wanted to juxtapose blacks with mendacity, but first they had to convince a disinterested public to care.  The public generally doesn't care about stories like this, any more than they care if the next door neighbor dyed her hair.

But highlight her status with the NAACP and her profession, and balloon it into a story about a national group? After all, what distinguishes this story from a visit to the hair stylist?  There is race-bating here...but it is clearly on the part of the mother and the Coeur d'Alene Press.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Her mother is probably just tired of her lies. After all, Rachel is implying that her mother is not her mother, or that her mother had an affair.

So...this is just what MUMS would want.  To publicize her own infidelity on the front page of every newspaper in the world?  I think not.  You're not thinking.

I am sure tommy is right...there is racism here.  I think the racists wanted to juxtapose blacks with mendacity, but first they had to convinced a disinterested public to care.  The public generally doesn't care about stories like this, any more than they care if the next door neighbor dyed her hair.

But highlight her status with the NAACP and her profession, and balloon it into a story about a national group?  There is race-bating here...but it is clearly on the part of the mother and the Coeur d'Alene Press.

Well Rachel Dolezal says that her father is black. Her mother's husband is certainly not black, so therefore, Rachel is either saying that her mother is not her mother, or that she had an affair and got pregnant. Would you not agree?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

So...this is just what MUMS would want.  To publicize her own infidelity on the front page of every newspaper in the world?  I think not.  You're not thinking.

I am sure tommy is right...there is racism here.  I think the racists wanted to juxtapose blacks with mendacity, but first they had to convinced a disinterested public to care.  The public generally doesn't care about stories like this, any more than they care if the next door neighbor dyed her hair.

But highlight her status with the NAACP and her profession, and balloon it into a story about a national group?  There is race-bating here...but it is clearly on the part of the mother and the Coeur d'Alene Press.

Well Rachel Dolezal says that her father is black. Her mother's husband is certainly not black, so therefore, Rachel is either saying that her mother is not her mother, or that she had an affair and got pregnant. Would you not agree?

You are repeating the story, hoping to draw attention to it.

See? I told you someone was race-bating.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well Rachel Dolezal says that her father is black. Her mother's husband is certainly not black, so therefore, Rachel is either saying that her mother is not her mother, or that she had an affair and got pregnant. Would you not agree?

You are repeating the story, hoping to draw attention to it.  

See?  I told you someone was race-bating.

Well do you agree or don't you? It's quite a simple question.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You are repeating the story, hoping to draw attention to it.  

See?  I told you someone was race-bating.

Well do you agree or don't you? It's quite a simple question.

It's a simple plot, child.  Don't lose track.

This whole story is race-baiting by the mother and the Coeur d'Alene Press.  Racists will do anything to bring false premises to the fore.

I have been saying from the start that this is a non-story.  The only thing that gives it a breath of life is the racism that underlies it.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well do you agree or don't you? It's quite a simple question.

It's a simple plot, child.  Don't lose track.

This whole story is race-baiting by the mother and the Coeur d'Alene Press.  Racists will do anything to bring false premises to the fore.

I have been saying from the start that this is a non-story.  The only thing that gives it a breath of life is the racism that underlies it.

What is racist about saying that your daughter is white?