Outrage as NACCP president outed as being 100% Caucasian

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Well, this is just bizarre – OK, it’s VERY bizarre – the parents of the President of the local Spokane, Washington, USA NAACP organization have come out to tell the truth about their daughter:  she’s white.  The parents of Rachel Dolezal say she has been lying in every way possible about her race.

The president of a local chapter of the NAACP who has identified as partially black on official documents is “Caucasian by birth,” according to her parents, who are accusing her of misrepresenting her identity.

Rachel Dolezal, head of the NAACP chapter in Spokane, Washington, does not speak to her parents. This week, they told reporters that Dolezal is white, despite how she portrays herself.

“She knows it’s false, but I think she’s told herself as well as she’s told others this erroneous identity of hers enough that by now, she may believe it more than she believes the truth,” Dolezal’s mother, Ruthanne Dolezal, told NBC affiliate KHQ in Spokane. Ruthanne and her husband Larry live in Montana and have not been in contact with their daughter for years.

“She is Caucasian by birth,” Larry told KHQ.

On Friday in an interview with HuffPost Live, Dolezal’s parents added that it wasn’t their daughter’s identification with African Americans that was painful, but “for her to reject us as her parents is what hurts.”

Ruthanne went on to plead to her daughter, “we love you, please tell the truth.”

On Friday, the NAACP said it has a “long and proud tradition of receiving support from people of all faiths, races, colors and creeds.”

“NAACP Spokane Washington Branch President Rachel Dolezal is enduring a legal issue with her family, and we respect her privacy in this matter. One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership,” it said in a statement, adding that it stood behind her advocacy record.

In addition to her position at the NAACP, Dolezal, 37, is the chairwoman of Spokane’s Office of Police Ombudsman Commission, a volunteer appointment. On the application for the job, she identified as white, black, and American Indian.

Prompted by claims from her parents that their family heritage is Czech, Swedish, German and a trace of Native American — but not black — the city is looking into whether Dolezal violated policy by lying about her race on a job application.

“We are gathering facts to determine if any city policies related to volunteer boards and commissions have been violated,” Mayor David Condon and Council President Ben Stuckart said in a statement Thursday. “That information will be reviewed by the City Council, which has oversight of city boards and commissions.”

“I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT YES, I DO CONSIDER MYSELF TO BE BLACK.”

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Tommy Monk wrote:But you can't talk about that because it was blacks who were doing it and that would be racist...

Aha, I see.

Anyhow, a person that takes on a huge responsible job, like the lady in the OP, shouldn't tell whopping great lies about her ethnicity and parentage.

She's a liar.
And liars should never be trusted.

Quill told me that himself. They are the worst kind of people.

This isn't the same as a woman "colouring her hair" as she hasn't told lies to anyone
"Why I like your hair! Where did you get it done?"
"Thanks, her name is Becky and she's quite reasonably priced"

See the difference?

Ive coloured my hair

OR

I'm pretending I was born to different parents
I am from a different ethnical background (I ticked the wrong box purposefully!) than I claimed on a form and to all my colleagues
I have been telling everyone I'm black and/or not correcting them when they believe I am
I have been introducing someone else as my father when I know he couldn't possibly be my father (implicating this innocent person in my deception)
I am knowingly keeping up the lies with other lies (ie answering questions in social situations etc)


See the difference?

In a court, a lawyer and a judge would see the difference.

eddie wrote:Anyhow, a person that takes on a huge responsible job, like the lady in the OP, shouldn't tell whopping great lies about her ethnicity and parentage.

She's a liar.
And liars should never be trusted.

Quill told me that himself. They are the worst kind of people.

This isn't the same as a woman "colouring her hair" as she hasn't told lies to anyone
"Why I like your hair! Where did you get it done?"
"Thanks, her name is Becky and she's quite reasonably priced"

See the difference?

Ive coloured my hair

OR

I'm pretending I was born to different parents
I am from a different ethnical background (I ticked the wrong box purposefully!) than I claimed on a form and to all my colleagues
I have been telling everyone I'm black and/or not correcting them when they believe I am
I have been introducing someone else as my father when I know he couldn't possibly be my father (implicating this innocent person in my deception)
I am knowingly keeping up the lies with other lies (ie answering questions in social situations etc)


See the difference?

In a court, a lawyer and a judge would see the difference.

Any reasonable person would see the difference eddie.

eddie wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

If race doesn't exist, racism can't exist either.

Well.....quite

Only a pair of idiots would say such stupidity.
Racism exists because people of hate exist.
The racists believe races exist
Does that help you both understand why you lack intelligence?

Has anyone told Rachel Dolezal that race doesn't exist?

The organisation that this woman works for thinks race exists...

Tommy Monk wrote:The organisation that this woman works for thinks race exists...

And?

Why do you think that has come about?
Its not difficult even for someone as stupid as you.

Well does it or doesn't it? That is the question.

If race doesn't exist then why is this woman lying about hers...!?

Raggamuffin wrote:Well does it or doesn't it? That is the question.

Races exist in the minds of idiots like yourself Rags, I thought that was obvious to you.

Tommy Monk wrote:If race doesn't exist then why is this woman lying about hers...!?

Oh dear the forum clown is that stupid.
The woman is an idiot just like you Tommy
Races are a man made invention to define people, hence why racism exists

Tommy Monk wrote:If race doesn't exist then why is this woman lying about hers...!?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:If race doesn't exist then why is this woman lying about hers...!?

Yep only the stupid laugh at others being as idiotic

Has anyone told the Government there's no such thing as race?

Raggamuffin wrote:Has anyone told the Government there's no such thing as race?

Yes they have biologically.
Has anyone told you that you do not understand biology?
So tell me the biology behind making humans different races?
In your own time dummy?

First tell us why this woman is lying about hers...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:First tell us why this woman is lying about hers...!?

Because she is as stupid as you are Tommy

Tommy Monk wrote:First tell us why this woman is lying about hers...!?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:First tell us why this woman is lying about hers...!?

And I might add on a par with stupidity with Rags

Cuchulain wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Has anyone told the Government there's no such thing as race?

Yes they have biologically.
Has anyone told you that you do not understand biology?
So tell me the biology behind making humans different races?
In your own time dummy?

I see Rags is to stupid to answer simple questions on biology

If she's so stupid then how did she manage to land the job of president of this organisation!?

Tommy Monk wrote:If she's so stupid then how did she manage to land the job of president of this organisation!?

That is easy, some stupid people are able to bullshit their way through life just like you
You do not have to be intelligent to bullshit, just come across as believable. You though were sussed out long ago as stupid.

So the woman had no race because race doesn't exist, so she needn't have changed her "race" (bet she wishes she knew that before she pretended to be black)

She is a liar

She is stupid.


Case closed then.

So dodge is now admitting that this woman was bullshiting about her race and been found out...



And Eddie, agree with that... except for The case closed bit... what should happen to her now for lying to her employers and everyone else?

Tommy Monk wrote:So dodge is now admitting that this woman was bullshiting about her race and been found out...



And Eddie, agree with that... except for The case closed bit... what should happen to her now for lying to her employers and everyone else?

Well she obviously has some kind of mental health issues - to lie about something major like that?!
I mean, I can understand that there are people that identify more with certain cultures over others, feel more comfortable with certain races than others....but to lie about your colour and creed?
It sounds like she has issues tbh Tommy.

Tommy Monk wrote:So dodge is now admitting that this woman was bullshiting about her race and been found out...

Where did I claim otherwise?
I never did and you wrongly assumed

Or was it just that she was lying to advance her own career and personal gain!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Or was it just that she was lying to advance her own career and personal gain!?

She lied for one stupid simple factor, to be believable in her cause.
She wrongly thought her cause would be better served lying which shows she had little faith in herself as a white person achieving this. It was a daft methodology

Because an organisation that exists purely to advance the chances of black people over white people, would of course appoint a white person as president because they don't see any difference between black and white people and would never discriminate against white people when selecting staff...

Tommy Monk wrote:Because an organisation that exists purely to advance the chances of black people over white people, would of course appoint a white person as president because they don't see any difference between black and white people and would never discriminate against white people when selecting staff...

The NAACP does work to advance the chances of black people, and thereby advances the chances of all people. Keep in mind that racism in America began with slavery, and the NAACP was started to combat the lingering vestiges of past racial discrimination. The equivalency is between racism and tolerance, not black and white.

Thus the NAACP works for all people. Naturally, it includes in its membership people of all, and any color. Of course, anyone of any color can hold office in the NAACP.

I think that anyone who is capable of making so many misleading and false statements shouldn't really be president of any organisation.

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that anyone who is capable of making so many misleading and false statements shouldn't really be president of any organisation.

This is exactly my point. Take away everythjng else, strip this down to the bone, and she is simply a very deceptive person, who is obviously a very good liar, seeing as no one called her on it!

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that anyone who is capable of making so many misleading and false statements shouldn't really be president of any organisation.

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering. The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with. But then the RW is famous for being short on perception. Look at Benghazi

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that anyone who is capable of making so many misleading and false statements shouldn't really be president of any organisation.

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering.  The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with.  But then the RW is famous for being short on perception.  Look at Benghazi

Why do you keep on about hairstyles? She didn't lie about the colour of her hair Quill, she lied about the colour of her skin.
A big whopper.
As I said, she must've been a very good liar as no one questioned her ethnicity until her parents spoke out.

Like you said, liars are the most dangerous of people.

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that anyone who is capable of making so many misleading and false statements shouldn't really be president of any organisation.

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering.  The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with.  But then the RW is famous for being short on perception.  Look at Benghazi

It's not about her hairstyle, it's about the lies she told.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering.  The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with.  But then the RW is famous for being short on perception.  Look at Benghazi

Why do you keep on about hairstyles? She didn't lie about the colour of her hair Quill, she lied about the colour of her skin.
A big whopper.
As I said, she must've been a very good liar as no one questioned her ethnicity until her parents spoke out.

Like you said, liars are the most dangerous of people.

You are not the bright bulb on the tree tonight, eds. One more time...

Hair style, skin color? None of it is of any consequence. It's ridiculous...and hence worthy of ridicule.

Original Quill wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Because an organisation that exists purely to advance the chances of black people over white people, would of course appoint a white person as president because they don't see any difference between black and white people and would never discriminate against white people when selecting staff...

The NAACP does work to advance the chances of black people, and thereby advances the chances of all people.  Keep in mind that racism in America began with slavery, and the NAACP was started to combat the lingering vestiges of past racial discrimination.  The equivalency is between racism and tolerance, not black and white.

Thus the NAACP works for all people.  Naturally, it includes in its membership people of all, and any color.  Of course, anyone of any color can hold office in the NAACP.

Black people had slaves too...


A crucial point you keep overlooking!


And slavery still goes on to this day by blacks in Africa add by Muslims and elsewhere...



High levels of black on white crime must also be a result of racism but you lefties never want to even admit it, let alone address it!!!

Raggamuffin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering.  The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with.  But then the RW is famous for being short on perception.  Look at Benghazi

It's not about her hairstyle, it's about the lies she told.

Lies about hair style. Every VidalSassoon blond is at least misleading. God forbid she uses fake fingernails.

Who cares? Look away if it offends you.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The NAACP does work to advance the chances of black people, and thereby advances the chances of all people.  Keep in mind that racism in America began with slavery, and the NAACP was started to combat the lingering vestiges of past racial discrimination.  The equivalency is between racism and tolerance, not black and white.

Thus the NAACP works for all people.  Naturally, it includes in its membership people of all, and any color.  Of course, anyone of any color can hold office in the NAACP.

Black people had slaves too...

A crucial point you keep overlooking!

I'm not ignoring it tommy...but, you have yet to give me his name.

Tommy Monk wrote:And slavery still goes on to this day by blacks in Africa add by Muslims and elsewhere...

And I'm sure you are as opposed to that, as am I. What ideas have you come up with?

Tommy Monk wrote:High levels of black on white crime must also be a result of racism but you lefties never want to even admit it, let alone address it!!!

High levels of black on white crime do not exist.  That is because high levels of anything black does not exist.  Blacks comprise about 13% of the total population in America.  It is single digit in the UK:

Wiki wrote:Black residents constituted around 3 per cent of the United Kingdom's population in 2011. It has increased from just under 1.15 million residents in 2001, or 2 per cent of the population, to just over 1.9 million in 2011.

What crime that does exist in the black community remains mostly in that community, and is generally attributable to poverty, secondary to racism.

See... denial again... and I'm not talking about the river in Egypt...

Original Quill wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

It's not about her hairstyle, it's about the lies she told.

Lies about hair style.  Every VidalSassoon blond is at least misleading.  God forbid she uses fake fingernails.

Who cares?  Look away if it offends you.

She lied about her father and her ethnic background.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The contribution of an individual is in direct proportion to his or her effectiveness in organizing and delivering.  The NAACP has not become as effective as it has, by caring about someone's hairstyle.

I daresay, it is embarrassing for the critics if that is the only thing they can come up with.  But then the RW is famous for being short on perception.  Look at Benghazi

Why do you keep on about hairstyles? She didn't lie about the colour of her hair Quill, she lied about the colour of her skin.
A big whopper.
As I said, she must've been a very good liar as no one questioned her ethnicity until her parents spoke out.

Like you said, liars are the most dangerous of people.

You are not the bright bulb on the tree tonight, eds.     One more time...

Hair style, skin color?  None of it is of any consequence.  It's ridiculous...and hence worthy of ridicule.

Yes quill I got the vague comparison a Few hundred posts back when you first went on about people dyeing their hair.
It's a very poor comparison too!

Nobody actually cares about the fact that you may look blonde when you're actually a brunette - and unless someone asks, and you deny you're a brunette, then you're not lying are you?

Now let's take your poor comparison; if you were the owner of a forum called "Blondes aren't dumb and I'm living proof! I have five degrees!" and you lied to all your members and the subsequent public and future members.... But you were really a brunette?!!

What then?


See where I'm going? Follow my light. It's on a tree..presumably.

Tommy Monk wrote:See... denial again... and I'm not talking about the river in Egypt...

No...you are talking about something that is faint to non-existent. Black on white crime is less than chance would allow. Statistically, it's a specious issue.

Black on white crime is high and hugely disproportionate.



You still peddle denial and excuses.

eddie wrote:Yes quill I got the vague comparison a Few hundred posts back when you first went on about people dyeing their hair.
It's a very poor comparison too!

Nobody actually cares about the fact that you may look blonde when you're actually a brunette - and unless someone asks, and you deny you're a brunette, then you're not lying are you?

Now let's take your poor comparison; if you were the owner of a forum called "Blondes aren't dumb and I'm living proof! I have five degrees!" and you lied to all your members and the subsequent public and future members.... But you were really a brunette?!!

What then?

See where I'm going? Follow my light. It's on a tree..presumably.

Well...you lose the plot, but I've rescued you. I've highlighted where you started to go, before you lost it...

The point is: first you have to care. Who cares about whether she claims to have dark colored skin? Did you know that they actually have tanning equipment that colors the skin? Other than a concern over skin cancer--which is certainly not the issue here--I've never heard an untoward comment about someone darkening their skin, until now.

Now...because she is a ranking member of the NAACP, she is the subject of some elusive criticism, which is no more significant that cosmetics. So...she is no different from anyone else who tries to alter or improve her looks.

Tommy Monk wrote:Black on white crime is high and hugely disproportionate.

You still peddle denial and excuses.

Well...lol, at least I don't make up shit to peddle.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Yes quill I got the vague comparison a Few hundred posts back when you first went on about people dyeing their hair.
It's a very poor comparison too!

Nobody actually cares about the fact that you may look blonde when you're actually a brunette - and unless someone asks, and you deny you're a brunette, then you're not lying are you?

Now let's take your poor comparison; if you were the owner of a forum called "Blondes aren't dumb and I'm living proof! I have five degrees!" and you lied to all your members and the subsequent public and future members.... But you were really a brunette?!!

What then?

See where I'm going? Follow my light. It's on a tree..presumably.

Well...you lose the plot, but I've rescued you.  I've highlighted where you started to go, before you lost it...

The point is: first you have to care.  Who cares about whether she claims to have dark colored skin?  Did you know that they actually have tanning equipment that colors the skin?  Other than a concern over skin cancer--which is certainly not the issue here--I've never heard an untoward comment about someone darkening their skin, until now.

Now...because she is a ranking member of the NAACP, she is the subject of some elusive criticism, which is no more significant that cosmetics.  So...she is no different from anyone else who tries to alter or improve her looks.

Okay so in a court of law, it doesn't matter of you lie then?

You don't half talk Borrox. I think you've lost the plot, or perhaps your job if you can't see the badness of lying.

This will bite you in the arse Quill; you are going to try and squirm out of it, but it will bite you in the butt.
I've never heard a lawyer think that it's okay to lie in the extreme as in this case!!!

Yes, you and I don't care if she's black or white or pink with grey ziggyzags.
But she's a liar. Big fat liar.

And, Quill, you keep banging on about her a,tearing her looks or her hair blah blah

That is not the point. And well you know it!

I'm not bothering with this anymore as you are pretending to misunderstand her lie and you are pretending it's okay to lie.

eddie wrote:Okay so in a court of law, it doesn't matter of you lie then?

When has she lied in court?

eddie wrote:And, Quill, you keep banging on about her a,tearing her looks or her hair blah blah

That is not the point. And well you know it!

I'm not bothering with this anymore as you are pretending to misunderstand her lie and you are pretending it's okay to lie.

There is no misunderstanding between us; I think we both know the facts.  It's the subjective question on which we differ.

I am saying that what she does is harmless.  It is as negligible as coloring her hair or going to a tanning salon.

What I am further saying--and perhaps this is sore spot--is that no one would care what she does if it did not involve the NAACP.  People want to criticize her because it casts the organization in a bad light...she is (or was) president of a chapter, and to make her out to be a liar is to indict the whole organization by implication. Even here I do not agree--I still maintain it is harmless--but there are those who hope to make out a case of deceit.

And that sentiment has its roots in racism.  No one would care, if it did not relate to an organization to which many are politically opposed.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:Okay so in a court of law, it doesn't matter of you lie then?

When has she lied in court?

eddie wrote:And, Quill, you keep banging on about her a,tearing her looks or her hair blah blah

That is not the point. And well you know it!

I'm not bothering with this anymore as you are pretending to misunderstand her lie and you are pretending it's okay to lie.

There is no misunderstanding between us; I think we both know the facts.  It's the subjective question on which we differ.

I am saying that what she does is harmless.  It is as negligible as coloring her hair or going to a tanning salon.

What I am further saying--and perhaps this is sore spot--is that no one would care what she does if it did not involve the NAACP.  People want to criticize her because it casts the organization in a bad light...she is (or was) president of a chapter, and to make her out to be a liar is to indict the whole organization by implication.  Even here I do not agree--I still maintain it is harmless--but there are those who hope to make out a case of deceit.

And that sentiment has its roots in racism.  No one would care, if it did not relate to an organization to which many are politically opposed.

Well nobody would have heard of her if she was not the president of a chapter, and if she didn't put herself out there. I daresay her parents and brothers don't think it's harmless that she's invented a whole new upbringing and father.

This investigation into the alleged hate mail she received is still ongoing isn't it? That's what drew attention to her in the first place. There seems to be some doubts as to how the mail got into the mailbox.