Walmart mom fight on video: Woman involved tells her story in radio interview

by Original Quill Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:20 am

First topic message reminder :

BEECH GROVE, Ind. -- Charges have not been filed in a fight between two women at a Beech Grove Wal-Mart that was captured on cellphone video.

The video shows 34-year-old Amber Stephenson and 39-year-old Rebecca Mills fighting while a 6-year-old child watches nearby and is even encouraged to get involved. The video was uploaded to YouTube and had already been watched more than 1.5 million times by Tuesday morning. You can watch video of the fight in the player above.

Officers with the Beech Grove Police Department said they were called to the store minutes after the fight broke out last Thursday just after 10 p.m. The video of the fight surfaced on YouTube Monday.

The incident appears to start with a verbal argument that quickly escalates into a physical altercation.

The video shows Stephenson telling the child to punch the other woman in the face. The child can be seen hitting the woman and throwing items at her that he takes from the store shelves.

A Wal-Mart spokesman said store management called police about one minute and thirty seconds after the fight started. He said it is the store’s policy for associates not to engage in fights.

"This type of behavior inside one of our stores is completely unacceptable and we are notifying the individuals involved that they are no longer welcome on Wal-Mart property. Once we were aware of this situation, a member of our management immediately called the police and we are continuing to work with them on this matter," said spokesman Aaron Mullins.

Police said no arrests were made because officers did not have immediate access to the store's surveillance video and both women told conflicting stories.

It is now up to prosecutors to determine what, if any, charges will be filed in the case.

A third-party security company was in the store at the time of the incident, but was on the other side of the store when the fight broke out.

The Smiley Morning Show says they spoke with Stephenson on Tuesday morning. She told them she overheard Mills yell a racial slur when interacting with a store employee. That is when she jumped in with a few words of her own.

Stephenson said her son has taken martial arts classes and spent years in the gym with his dad.

"He's a little crazy kid. I mean, he's just one that I don't ever have to worry about him being bullied in high school," Stephenson said on the radio. "My son is a straight-A student, he's been on the honor roll all year, his kindergarten year, he is the teacher's pet. He's in a Christian private school. My son is raised perfectly right."

You can hear the interview by clicking the play button below:

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/fight-at-beech-grove-wal-mart-caught-on-video

by eddie Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:21 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:I HAVE AMENDED THE ORIGINAL TITLE TO THE CORRECT TITLE.

Please keep thread titles accurate.
Thank you.

I have asked Ben to remove you as moderator. Your lack of objectivity is getting in the way of true and honest objectivity. If you don't like the manner of editorial comment of any poster, you deem it your right to censor anyone. That is wrong, and has no business in an open society...certainly not on a site operated in the spirit of journalistic integrity.

I am telling you this to offer you an opportunity to do the right thing: RESIGN.

Oh please. Ben used to have a go at someone else for their misleading thread titles, and your thread title was totally misleading.

You took the words out of my mouth.

And what's laughable is that Quill thinks I'm on Vod's "side" yet Vod thinks I'm against her and sticking up for sassy??!!

You couldn't make it up.

Perhaps quill, you should act like the intelligent older gentleman that you portray; make your point without breaking the rules eh?

Oh and calm down perhaps?

by Guest Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:28 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh please. Ben used to have a go at someone else for their misleading thread titles, and your thread title was totally misleading.

You took the words out of my mouth.

And what's laughable is that Quill thinks I'm on Vod's "side" yet Vod thinks I'm against her and sticking up for sassy??!!
if you are not making ANYONE happy eddie...you must be doing it right
You couldn't make it up.

Perhaps quill, you should act like the intelligent older gentleman that you portray; make your point without breaking the rules eh?

Oh and calm down perhaps?

by eddie Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:33 pm

darknessss wrote:
eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh please. Ben used to have a go at someone else for their misleading thread titles, and your thread title was totally misleading.

You took the words out of my mouth.

And what's laughable is that Quill thinks I'm on Vod's "side" yet Vod thinks I'm against her and sticking up for sassy??!!
if you are not making ANYONE happy eddie...you must be doing it right
You couldn't make it up.

Perhaps quill, you should act like the intelligent older gentleman that you portray; make your point without breaking the rules eh?

Oh and calm down perhaps?

Im a bit gobsmacked that grown people behave so silly tbh Vic! Rolling Eyes

by Guest Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:48 pm

eddie wrote:
darknessss wrote:

Im a bit gobsmacked that grown people behave so silly tbh Vic!

everyone on here has been a little crazy today , I'm knackered rabbit

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:17 am

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh please. Ben used to have a go at someone else for their misleading thread titles, and your thread title was totally misleading.

You took the words out of my mouth.

And what's laughable is that Quill thinks I'm on Vod's "side" yet Vod thinks I'm against her and sticking up for sassy??!!

You couldn't make it up.

Perhaps quill, you should act like the intelligent older gentleman that you portray; make your point without breaking the rules eh?

Oh and calm down perhaps?

Eds, you don't belong in a moderator's role if you can't understand what is being said. Merely 7 posts into the thread I explained the thread title. Yet, even after that you took it upon yourself to change a poster's meaning.

Being a moderator does not mean you are privileged to put words into someone else's mouth. It's dishonest! Both Bee and I have had experience with a certain moderator who would alter the posts of others, making their arguments dumbed down, or patently non-existent. That runs against everything we know about free speech in an open society.

I feel confident that you don't even know what you did, even though it was fully explained to you before you did it. I think you have difficulty in ascertaining someone's meaning in more complex debates. For that reason, I think you are not equipped for the job and should resign. Who knows when it will happen again...perhaps in worst circumstances.

As for the nonsense you hear around you, of course they are cheer leading you on. Duh. Unlike you, they know exactly what you did, and being on the other side...they applaud your flub. It literally makes my case for me...you should take a hint. Think it through. The job's not for you.

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:03 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I have asked Ben to remove you as moderator. Your lack of objectivity is getting in the way of true and honest objectivity. If you don't like the manner of editorial comment of any poster, you deem it your right to censor anyone. That is wrong, and has no business in an open society...certainly not on a site operated in the spirit of journalistic integrity.

I am telling you this to offer you an opportunity to do the right thing: RESIGN.

Ben used to edit the thread titles when bigandy posted misleading thread titles .

To be sure...and a part of my message was to explain why. Look at this thread as a piece of living art. It was in part a parody of what Lil' andy used to do. Everything having to do with everyday life, was rekindled into a message against Muslims. Everyday occurrences were announced as: Muslim extremists fight in Walmart. Muslims extremists run red light. Muslims extremists caught passing bad checks. Muslim extremists have flat tire. Muslim extremists ticketed for speeding. Every little thing, if it happened to Muslims, was made about Muslims and extremism...particularly if it could be twisted into something negative about them.

I took advantage of the Indiana incident to craft a living art parody of that attitude...exactly that kind of approach, which we still see in RW posters here today. It was a landscape. It was a statute. It was a piece of art, until eds utterly failed to understand and took a hammer to it.

No doubt, she will lead the book-burning brigade next.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:09 am

I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:15 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

Walmart mom fight on video: Woman involved tells her story in radio interview - Page 2 Vnp4l1

It exists only in your imagination, Raggs. That was the point.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:18 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

It exists only in your imagination, Raggs. That was the point.

Oh, it doesn't exist? You mean it's in your imagination.

Everyday occurrences were announced as: Muslim extremists fight in Walmart.

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:21 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It exists only in your imagination, Raggs. That was the point.

Oh, it doesn't exist? You mean it's in your imagination.

Everyday occurrences were announced as: Muslim extremists fight in Walmart.

You can't be that dumb.

Walmart mom fight on video: Woman involved tells her story in radio interview - Page 2 Sasquatch2

The point is that only conservatives made up that stuff. Still do.

by Eilzel Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:21 am

Raggs you seem to be missing the point.

BigA amd others who remain here have a habit of posting news stories explicitly pointing out the religion of Muslims (or Asians), even where that has nothing to do with what happened. Of course some people say nothing, I guess because it is so commonplace.

Yet when the same is done only replacing the word 'Muslim' with 'Christian', there is uproar by a minority of Christian posters.

Why? You had no problem when the same was done with regards to crimes by people who happened to be Muslims (or if you did you were silent on it).

Quill's thread here was simply in a exercise in showing up double standards.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:22 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh, it doesn't exist? You mean it's in your imagination.

You can't be that dumb.

You said it dear - seems like you destroyed your own argument.

Laughing

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:22 am

Raggamuffin wrote:I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

It's just like what I was saying about the biker shootout vs. the Baltimore riots. If members of non-white groups do something wrong, there are always people ready to blame it on the entire group -- their skin color, nationality, religion, etc.

If white people do it, it's automatically treated as an isolated incident that has no relation to white culture as a whole. Quill was parodying that tendency by deliberately linking these Walmart brawlers to white Christian culture, and painting them in the same light that some people would do if they were Muslims.

And before you tell me I'm full of shit yet again, despite the fact that you live thousands of miles from these things, I will promise you that over here in the U.S., right-wing extremists don't get nearly the airplay that a random punch-out involving a Muslim does.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:24 am

Eilzel wrote:Raggs you seem to be missing the point.

BigA amd others who remain here have a habit of posting news stories explicitly pointing out the religion of Muslims (or Asians), even where that has nothing to do with what happened. Of course some people say nothing, I guess because it is so commonplace.

Yet when the same is done only replacing the word 'Muslim' with 'Christian', there is uproar by a minority of Christian posters.

Why? You had no problem when the same was done with regards to crimes by people who happened to be Muslims (or if you did you were silent on it).

Quill's thread here was simply in a exercise in showing up double standards.

BigA? The chap who hasn't posted here for - oooh, how long now?

So this was a thread aimed at him?

That's a bit pathetic, don't you think?

I think you're missing the point that there was no indication that those women were Christian extremists, or even Christians.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:25 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Eilzel wrote:Raggs you seem to be missing the point.

BigA amd others who remain here have a habit of posting news stories explicitly pointing out the religion of Muslims (or Asians), even where that has nothing to do with what happened. Of course some people say nothing, I guess because it is so commonplace.

Yet when the same is done only replacing the word 'Muslim' with 'Christian', there is uproar by a minority of Christian posters.

Why? You had no problem when the same was done with regards to crimes by people who happened to be Muslims (or if you did you were silent on it).

Quill's thread here was simply in a exercise in showing up double standards.

BigA? The chap who hasn't posted here for - oooh, how long now?

So this was a thread aimed at him?

That's a bit pathetic, don't you think?

I think you're missing the point that there was no indication that those women were Christian extremists, or even Christians.

You don't see the fact that HF has taken up BA's torch?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:25 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

It's just like what I was saying about the biker shootout vs. the Baltimore riots. If members of non-white groups do something wrong, there are always people ready to blame it on the entire group -- their skin color, nationality, religion, etc.

If white people do it, it's automatically treated as an isolated incident that has no relation to white culture as a whole. Quill was parodying that tendency by deliberately linking these Walmart brawlers to white Christian culture, and painting them in the same light that some people would do if they were Muslims.

And before you tell me I'm full of shit yet again, despite the fact that you live thousands of miles from these things, I will promise you that over here in the U.S., right-wing extremists don't get nearly the airplay that a random punch-out involving a Muslim does.

Are you going to go against your moderator and change the thread title back again then?

You disapprove when "certain" people mislead others, but if Quill does it, its more a case of - oh, we've all missed his point, poor soul.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:26 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I'd like to see the video of Muslim extremists fighting in Walmart.

Could you post it please?

It's just like what I was saying about the biker shootout vs. the Baltimore riots. If members of non-white groups do something wrong, there are always people ready to blame it on the entire group -- their skin color, nationality, religion, etc.

If white people do it, it's automatically treated as an isolated incident that has no relation to white culture as a whole. Quill was parodying that tendency by deliberately linking these Walmart brawlers to white Christian culture, and painting them in the same light that some people would do if they were Muslims.

And before you tell me I'm full of shit yet again, despite the fact that you live thousands of miles from these things, I will promise you that over here in the U.S., right-wing extremists don't get nearly the airplay that a random punch-out involving a Muslim does.

Are you going to go against your moderator and change the thread title back again then?

You disapprove when "certain" people mislead others, but if Quill does it, its more a case of - oh, we've all missed his point, poor soul.

Again -- have you seen the type of titles HF has been writing?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:27 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

BigA? The chap who hasn't posted here for - oooh, how long now?

So this was a thread aimed at him?

That's a bit pathetic, don't you think?

I think you're missing the point that there was no indication that those women were Christian extremists, or even Christians.

You don't see the fact that HF has taken up BA's torch?

Care to give some examples?

Do you really want this forum to become one long "point-making" exercise - a tit-for-tat scenario with people using misleading titles just to score points? I thought it was a news forum. I mean - didn't you say that last night?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:28 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you going to go against your moderator and change the thread title back again then?

You disapprove when "certain" people mislead others, but if Quill does it, its more a case of - oh, we've all missed his point, poor soul.

Again -- have you seen the type of titles HF has been writing?

Even without looking, are you saying that this thread was revenge on HF? If so, that's pretty pathetic.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:33 am

Why do we share things here if not to make points about how the world works?

HF's threads:

"Muslim man jailed for rape, threatening to kill and forced marriage.." -- nothing to do with Islam

"peaceful, tolerant Muslim..." -- nothing to even tell you what the story is about

"gay peado jailed..." -- another of his many attempts to link homosexuality with pedophilia

"and they want sharia law in Britain..." -- nothing on what the story is about, just bashing Muslims again

"job advert for 8 executioners, beginners welcome..." -- ???

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:34 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you going to go against your moderator and change the thread title back again then?

You disapprove when "certain" people mislead others, but if Quill does it, its more a case of - oh, we've all missed his point, poor soul.

Again -- have you seen the type of titles HF has been writing?

Even without looking, are you saying that this thread was revenge on HF? If so, that's pretty pathetic.

Why do you always have to think so small? It's commentary on the news media linking criminals to the culture that they came from, like I've said.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:37 am

What I find completely absurd is Ben's defence of Quill. I mean - it appeared to be a lighthearted thread with a misleading title, and Quill went off on one when I said it was misleading.

It's not as if I defended these women on the grounds that they were "Christian", as Quill claimed they were.

Quill even claimed that they fitted the image he had of me, and then started banging on that I was racist just because I'm white! He even claimed that I class all Muslims as extremists, when I have done nothing of the kind.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:38 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Even without looking, are you saying that this thread was revenge on HF? If so, that's pretty pathetic.

Why do you always have to think so small? It's commentary on the news media linking criminals to the culture that they came from, like I've said.

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:40 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Even without looking, are you saying that this thread was revenge on HF? If so, that's pretty pathetic.

Why do you always have to think so small? It's commentary on the news media linking criminals to the culture that they came from, like I've said.

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

Not even close, Raggs. I'd encourage you to go further.

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:41 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Why do you always have to think so small? It's commentary on the news media linking criminals to the culture that they came from, like I've said.

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

You think they are cheap...but you are not a disinterested party, are you?

If one can show something by demonstrating it, isn't that better than talk, talk, talk about it? They say a picture is worth a thousand words. It's all about communication, Raggs. Communicating ideas.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:43 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

Not even close, Raggs. I'd encourage you to go further.

I sometimes don't know why I bother posting here. You will defend any of your cronies, no matter what. You don't like HF's thread titles on the grounds that they're misleading, but you wholly approve of Quill's - because it's a cheap shot at Christians.

Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want Christians here?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:44 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

You think they are cheap...but you are not a disinterested party, are you?

If one can show something by demonstrating it, isn't that better than talk, talk, talk about it? They say a picture is worth a thousand words. It's all about communication, Raggs. Communicating ideas.

I was "collateral damage" in this thread apparently. You started accusing me of things I haven't done in your haste to score points against someone who you perceive to be in the same "group" as me.

It's pathetic, and Ben's defence of you is even more pathetic.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:48 am

There's hardly any lighthearted stuff on this forum, and when there is, it turns out that Ben and his cronies have an ulterior motive - they just want to score cheap points against others who they despise.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:48 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

So it's not a news forum then, it's a forum for your mates to score cheap points, and make false claims about other members.

Is that thinking big enough for you?

Not even close, Raggs. I'd encourage you to go further.

I sometimes don't know why I bother posting here. You will defend any of your cronies, no matter what. You don't like HF's thread titles on the grounds that they're misleading, but you wholly approve of Quill's - because it's a cheap shot at Christians.

Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want Christians here?

Because that's not true, that's why, and I am honest above all other things. Speaking of which, let's be honest -- I didn't care for HF's titles but I didn't tell him to stop, did I?

Did I shut down his devotional thread? No, but I could disappear that from this site -- along with him, VOD, and you.

If I didn't want you on this site, you wouldn't be here, right? If I've been unclear about this, I'll say it again -- the people who are here at this site are here because I and the other admins feel that, whatever shortcomings any of us have, everyone here helps to make this site what it is.

And for the record, if Christians would leave other people be to live their own lives as they see fit, I'd have very little problem with them. Same goes for all other faiths.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:52 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I sometimes don't know why I bother posting here. You will defend any of your cronies, no matter what. You don't like HF's thread titles on the grounds that they're misleading, but you wholly approve of Quill's - because it's a cheap shot at Christians.

Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want Christians here?

Because that's not true, that's why, and I am honest above all other things. Speaking of which, let's be honest -- I didn't care for HF's titles but I didn't tell him to stop, did I?

Did I shut down his devotional thread? No, but I could disappear that from this site -- along with him, VOD, and you.

If I didn't want you on this site, you wouldn't be here, right? If I've been unclear about this, I'll say it again -- the people who are here at this site are here because I and the other admins feel that, whatever shortcomings any of us have, everyone here helps to make this site what it is.

And for the record, if Christians would leave other people be to live their own lives as they see fit, I'd have very little problem with them. Same goes for all other faiths.

Well just do it then. I'm sick and tired of the ulterior motives on this forum.

I don't tell people how to live their lives based on my faith, and I'm sick of you and others implying that I do simply because I'm a Christian.

This forum is becoming very repetitive - it's endless tedious arguments about Christianity versus gay people, or Christianity versus science, Christianity versus whatever, blah blah blah. Well here's some fucking news for you - I know more about science than some of your so-called intellectual science posters.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:55 am

Maybe there's a cultural problem here - American culture versus everyone else. All this garbage about how I must be racist because I'm white, how I must be some nutter because I'm Christian, blah blah blah.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:56 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I sometimes don't know why I bother posting here. You will defend any of your cronies, no matter what. You don't like HF's thread titles on the grounds that they're misleading, but you wholly approve of Quill's - because it's a cheap shot at Christians.

Why don't you just come out and say that you don't want Christians here?

Because that's not true, that's why, and I am honest above all other things. Speaking of which, let's be honest -- I didn't care for HF's titles but I didn't tell him to stop, did I?

Did I shut down his devotional thread? No, but I could disappear that from this site -- along with him, VOD, and you.

If I didn't want you on this site, you wouldn't be here, right? If I've been unclear about this, I'll say it again -- the people who are here at this site are here because I and the other admins feel that, whatever shortcomings any of us have, everyone here helps to make this site what it is.

And for the record, if Christians would leave other people be to live their own lives as they see fit, I'd have very little problem with them. Same goes for all other faiths.

Well just do it then. I'm sick and tired of the ulterior motives on this forum.

I don't tell people how to live their lives based on my faith, and I'm sick of you and others implying that I do simply because I'm a Christian.

This forum is becoming very repetitive - it's endless tedious arguments about Christianity versus gay people, or Christianity versus science, Christianity versus whatever, blah blah blah. Well here's some fucking news for you - I know more about science than some of your so-called intellectual science posters.

Think of how I feel when somebody calls me a "homonazi" ... Sad

Nah, you just have to get tough and tell 'em to go fuck 'emselves!

Hug it out?

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by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:57 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Maybe there's a cultural problem here - American culture versus everyone else. All this garbage about how I must be racist because I'm white, how I must be some nutter because I'm Christian, blah blah blah.

We Americans are pretty well outnumbered here Smile

But just think of the poor Australians, just two of them!

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:00 am

If I had got all up in arms and defended those two women because they were allegedly Christians, then Quill might have had a point - if I had slagged off some Muslims for doing the same thing that is.

If the video had been of two black people brawling in Walmart, I would have laughed just the same. If it had been two ladies in Burkas, I would have laughed just the same.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:01 am

Raggamuffin wrote:If I had got all up in arms and defended those two women because they were allegedly Christians, then Quill might have had a point - if I had slagged off some Muslims for doing the same thing that is.

If the video had been of two black people brawling in Walmart, I would have laughed just the same. If it had been two ladies in Burkas, I would have laughed just the same.

But you're still not acknowledging why he made the editorial comment in the title in the first place, before anybody had commented.

Non-white criminals are linked back to the culture they came from.

White criminals are treated like individuals.

Not fair.

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:02 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Maybe there's a cultural problem here - American culture versus everyone else. All this garbage about how I must be racist because I'm white, how I must be some nutter because I'm Christian, blah blah blah.

It's not because you are white, Raggs. It's because you are racist. You seem to twist every fact into something bad about the black race. And you cherrypick your facts and arguments unmercifully.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:07 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:If I had got all up in arms and defended those two women because they were allegedly Christians, then Quill might have had a point - if I had slagged off some Muslims for doing the same thing that is.

If the video had been of two black people brawling in Walmart, I would have laughed just the same. If it had been two ladies in Burkas, I would have laughed just the same.

But you're still not acknowledging why he made the editorial comment in the title in the first place, before anybody had commented.

Non-white criminals are linked back to the culture they came from.

White criminals are treated like individuals.

Not fair.

Oh I do acknowledge it. I had no idea at first - I obviously have a beautiful innocent nature and I looked for the clues that these women were Christian extremists, but to my surprise, there was no such information. When I merely said that the title was misleading, I was accused of all sorts of things, but of course you will defend that.

It's not as if Quill was linking to the woman's culture - he called them extremists.

Oh, and I think you'll find that the Waco bikers were not treated as individuals, they were treated as a group simply because they had motorbikes and they wore certain clothes. Quill even linked those women to the bikers FFS.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:08 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Maybe there's a cultural problem here - American culture versus everyone else. All this garbage about how I must be racist because I'm white, how I must be some nutter because I'm Christian, blah blah blah.

It's not because you are white, Raggs. It's because you are racist. You seem to twist every fact into something bad about the black race. And you cherrypick your facts and arguments unmercifully.

Provide proof that I'm racist or shut your mouth - you're the person who repeatedly makes racial slurs about white people.

Go on - provide that proof, or just admit that you're a liar.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:08 am

Ben could provide that proof too, or he could disagree with Quill. He won't do that of course.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:10 am

Come on then - you made the claim - back it up or shut your mouth.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:15 am

Are you ploughing through my posts? I do hope so, because you've gone awfully quiet.

by Guest Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:15 am

Eilzel wrote:Raggs you seem to be missing the point.

BigA amd others who remain here have a habit of posting news stories explicitly pointing out the religion of Muslims (or Asians), even where that has nothing to do with what happened. Of course some people say nothing, I guess because it is so commonplace.

Yet when the same is done only replacing the word 'Muslim' with 'Christian', there is uproar by a minority of Christian posters.

Why? You had no problem when the same was done with regards to crimes by people who happened to be Muslims (or if you did you were silent on it).

Quill's thread here was simply in a exercise in showing up double standards.

Lol so nobody apart from raggs me and HF noticed how sassy started posted anti Israel threads up when i changed my profile picture of my support for Israel . You all seem to be blind to everything but the shite you spout , typical bogots Christiaphobes and Jewish phobia .

by Guest Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:19 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Maybe there's a cultural problem here - American culture versus everyone else. All this garbage about how I must be racist because I'm white, how I must be some nutter because I'm Christian, blah blah blah.

It's not because you are white, Raggs. It's because you are racist. You seem to twist every fact into something bad about the black race. And you cherrypick your facts and arguments unmercifully.

Actually raggs is the 'best' poster on here she jus doesn't agree with everything you lot agree with . She started getting bullied when she mentioned being a Christian and i can understand why she didn't say aything but that is sad when a person cannot say they are Christian for fear of being attacked by Christian haters .

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:19 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, and I think you'll find that the Waco bikers were not treated as individuals, they were treated as a group simply because they had motorbikes and they wore certain clothes. Quill even linked those women to the bikers FFS.

Why do you think I put it that way, Raggs? The bikers were treated as a group because what they did was as a group, i.e., not because of their race or skin color.

If anything, it was my linking the two ladies in Walmart to the bikers that was a bit remote...but look what they were doing. Do you blame me? The connection between the ladies and the bikers was that they were both, in each case, angry, out of control and violent.

If you recall, that comparison was a part of my commentary on how conservatives tend to dumb down their lives to anger, out of control, and violence. After all, why do conservatives always want war, open carry guns and seek retribution.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:22 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Oh, and I think you'll find that the Waco bikers were not treated as individuals, they were treated as a group simply because they had motorbikes and they wore certain clothes. Quill even linked those women to the bikers FFS.

Why do you think I put it that way, Raggs? The bikers were treated as a group because what they did was as a group, i.e., not because of their race or skin color.

If anything, it was my linking the two ladies in Walmart to the bikers that was a bit remote...but look what they were doing. Do you blame me? The connection between the ladies and the bikers was that they were both, in each case, angry, out of control and violent.

If you recall, that comparison was a part of my commentary on how conservatives tend to dumb down their lives to anger, out of control, and violence. After all, why do conservatives always want war, open carry guns and seek retribution.

But it wasn't as a group Quill. Have you read some of the accounts? Some of them were just bikers - no intention to be violent, no intention to shoot anyone, they were just there, but they've all been cast as villains.

Yes, I do blame you. You complain about others generalising, and you do it yourself all the time.

Any luck finding evidence that I'm racist yet?

by Original Quill Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:25 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's not because you are white, Raggs. It's because you are racist. You seem to twist every fact into something bad about the black race. And you cherrypick your facts and arguments unmercifully.

Provide proof that I'm racist or shut your mouth - you're the person who repeatedly makes racial slurs about white people.

Go on - provide that proof, or just admit that you're a liar.

I just did. You are too--ahhh, I don't want to say stupid--but perhaps imperceptive to understand it. I could go on and on about how you cherry pick your arguments...A black man died in Baltimore, and you were more worried about a car burning, fgs! Whenever a black man figures into a story, you are against him.

I could go on and on...why don't you see if you can remember the name of the black man who died. Or didn't it happen in your mind?

by Ben Reilly Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:25 am

No intention to shoot anyone yet they still fired upon the police there to restore order, and so many shots were fired that they still haven't completed the ballistics report.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:27 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:No intention to shoot anyone yet they still fired upon the police there to restore order, and so many shots were fired that they still haven't completed the ballistics report.

They? All of them?

Now if someone had said that every single black person in a riot had attacked a police officer, you'd be screaming with outrage.

Open your own eyes and stop this absurd generalising.

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:29 am

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Provide proof that I'm racist or shut your mouth - you're the person who repeatedly makes racial slurs about white people.

Go on - provide that proof, or just admit that you're a liar.

I just did. You are too--ahhh, I don't want to say stupid--but perhaps imperceptive to understand it. I could go on and on about how you cherry pick your arguments...A black man died in Baltimore, and you were more worried about a car burning, fgs! Whenever a black man figures into a story, you are against him.

I could go on and on...why don't you see if you can remember the name of the black man who died. Or didn't it happen in your mind?

In other words, you were talking shit, and you know it. If you don't understand that the arson issue was about mindless yobs, that's your problem.

Freddie Gray - there, and no, I didn't Google his name.

Do you know the names of the bikers who died?

by Raggamuffin Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:31 am

So is that it? Me objecting to mindless yobs setting fire to cars and wrecking local shops is proof that I'm racist?

Try to do better Quill.

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