Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Sentenced To Death

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 12:52 am

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A jury in Massachusetts has sentenced Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to death. The seven-woman, five-man jury revealed their decision on Friday evening. The 21-year-old naturalised American citizen now faces execution by lethal injection.

"This is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev —unconcerned, unrepentant and unchanged," prosecutor Nadine Pellegrin said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/05/15/boston-marathon-bomber-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-sentenced-to-death_n_7293992.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

The only reasons I have grave reservations for the death penalty, is where an innocent is wrongly executed.
In this case, there is not a need to concern myself on that matter, as he is scum and as guilty as sin.

by Original Quill Mon May 18, 2015 6:58 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It is my business. I'm a member of this forum, and you spamming this thread with your pet topic is out of order.

Its not spam, which shows you are being over sensitive to your religion, where nobody is mocking your religion here but debating off his moral views and his acts in the claims to his life.
So if you want to whine and whinge to Ben, Eddie, Veya, Irn and Lurker be my guest, but they will rightly see you are being way over the top

Raggs, he is right. Topics spin off topics, and you are not our censorer. If we took off on Marx or Lakoff, you would have no complaint.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 6:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Its not spam, which shows you are being over sensitive to your religion, where nobody is mocking your religion here but debating off his moral views and his acts in the claims to his life.
So if you want to whine and whinge to Ben, Eddie, Veya, Irn and Lurker be my guest, but they will rightly see you are being way over the top

I'm not being over-sensitive, I'm just sick to death of you and others constantly steering threads towards a discussion about religion.

Feel free to share and discuss anything you're interested in, but please note that members who consistently hijack threads to steer them toward discussions of their favorite "pet" topics may be asked to leave.

Then if you feel it has then complain to admin.
All I see is you are trying to dictate the thread due to religious sensitivities and derailing the thread.
I bet you that I am right here and you are wrong?

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 6:59 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Its not spam, which shows you are being over sensitive to your religion, where nobody is mocking your religion here but debating off his moral views and his acts in the claims to his life.
So if you want to whine and whinge to Ben, Eddie, Veya, Irn and Lurker be my guest, but they will rightly see you are being way over the top

Raggs, he is right. Topics spin off topics, and you are not our censorer. If we took off on Marx or Lakoff, you would have no complaint.

It's always the same topic though - well it's either religion or race, and it's getting tedious.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:00 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not being over-sensitive, I'm just sick to death of you and others constantly steering threads towards a discussion about religion.

Then if you feel it has then complain to admin.
All I see is you are trying to dictate the thread due to religious sensitivities and derailing the thread.
I bet you that I am right here and you are wrong?

You always think you're right - arrogant fool.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:00 pm

So the, about this bomber who got the death penalty ...

by Original Quill Mon May 18, 2015 7:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Then if you feel it has then complain to admin.
All I see is you are trying to dictate the thread due to religious sensitivities and derailing the thread.
I bet you that I am right here and you are wrong?

You always think you're right - arrogant fool.

I think that is spamming, Raggs. Behave yourself.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:02 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Then if you feel it has then complain to admin.
All I see is you are trying to dictate the thread due to religious sensitivities and derailing the thread.
I bet you that I am right here and you are wrong?

You always think you're right - arrogant fool.

On this matter, yes I do.

You have just wasted many irrelveant posts because you are trying to impose and demand two posters stop a conversation on a matter that interests them both. That is blatantly selfish on your part .

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:03 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You always think you're right - arrogant fool.

I think that is spamming, Raggs. Behave yourself.

No it's not, it's replying to Didge who claims that he's right - again. I don't care what admin say anyway - they probably won't care either way.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:04 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You always think you're right - arrogant fool.

On this matter, yes I do.

You have just wasted many irrelveant posts because you are trying to impose and demand two posters stop a conversation on a matter that interests them both. That is blatantly selfish on your part .

You think you're right on every matter. You're the one being selfish. I was interested in this topic and you took it right off course because of your own selfishness and obsessive nature.

by The Devil, You Know Mon May 18, 2015 7:05 pm

all punishments are a form of revenge. If you take multiple lives then you should be willing to forfeit your own. How is the death penalty any worse than being locked in a supermax box 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. all terrorists should be executed within a short time frame after conviction and sentencing.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

On this matter, yes I do.

You have just wasted many irrelveant posts because you are trying to impose and demand two posters stop a conversation on a matter that interests them both. That is blatantly selfish on your part .

You think you're right on every matter. You're the one being selfish. I was interested in this topic and you took it right off course because of your own selfishness and obsessive nature.

Incorrect again, I do not think I am right on every matter.
Nobody asked you to interfere, of which you have.
I will go be the decision of the admin.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:06 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:all punishments are a form of revenge. If you take multiple lives then you should be willing to forfeit your own. How is the death penalty any worse than being locked in a supermax box 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. all terrorists should be executed within a short time frame after conviction and sentencing.

Good argument.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:07 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:all punishments are a form of revenge. If you take multiple lives then you should be willing to forfeit your own. How is the death penalty any worse than being locked in a supermax box 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. all terrorists should be executed within a short time frame after conviction and sentencing.

It could be said though that being put in prison prevents you from committing another crime, so that's not the same as revenge.

I do think that it all goes on for too long though - years and years in most cases in the US. They must feel like they've done a life sentence already by the time they get on that execution table.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:07 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You think you're right on every matter. You're the one being selfish. I was interested in this topic and you took it right off course because of your own selfishness and obsessive nature.

Incorrect again, I do not think I am right on every matter.
Nobody asked you to interfere, of which you have.
I will go be the decision of the admin.

Oh shut up with your stupid "of which" crap.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:08 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Incorrect again, I do not think I am right on every matter.
Nobody asked you to interfere, of which you have.
I will go be the decision of the admin.

Oh shut up with your stupid "of which" crap.

Again no I will not stop writing my points, no matter if you are being as silly as you are being now!

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:10 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh shut up with your stupid "of which" crap.

Again no I will not stop writing my points, no matter if you are being as silly as you are being now!

Go and stick your "of which" rubbish down the toilet.

by Ben Reilly Mon May 18, 2015 7:12 pm

The death penalty makes societies who have it into killers, full-stop.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:13 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The death penalty makes societies who have it into killers, full-stop.

Yes it does.

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 7:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Again no I will not stop writing my points, no matter if you are being as silly as you are being now!

Go and stick your "of which" rubbish down the toilet.

Again no I will clearly ignore any sill demands you make.

To Ben

All societies have killers, from those who eat meat for example, by the very fact animals are killed so others can eat.

by Raggamuffin Mon May 18, 2015 7:22 pm

Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?

by Ben Reilly Mon May 18, 2015 10:01 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?

It will probably be an honor to him ... he gets to die fighting the Great Satan and all.

by Original Quill Tue May 19, 2015 4:46 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?

It will probably be an honor to him ... he gets to die fighting the Great Satan and all.

It was to Timothy McVey.

It is revenge, I think we all agree. But is that necessarily bad? Doesn't society need to do something in response, or appear impotent? Note: this is not the same argument as deterrence. Whether or not it deters, society needs to do something for it's own cohesiveness and self-affirmation.

The question is, does it need to kill?

by nicko Tue May 19, 2015 6:02 am

In the case of Muslims found guilty of murder, they should not be executed as they believe they will go to Paradise with all those Virgins, [what do the women get] so they are not afraid to die therefore death is no deterant, life inprison with no parole would be more suitable.

by veya_victaous Tue May 19, 2015 6:23 am

nicko wrote:In the case of Muslims found guilty of murder, they should not be executed as they believe they will go to Paradise with all those Virgins, [what do the women get] so they are not afraid to die therefore death is no deterant, life inprison with no parole would be more suitable.

I don't think it really matters as the religion is really just an excuse

but you could have Muslim leaders condemn him and refuse him Islamic burial
And tell him so before the execution. Wink

that is what happened to the Sydney siege guy the Local Muslim leaders but a fatwa on him and denied him any religious burial Neutral

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 6:34 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:In the case of Muslims found guilty of murder, they should not be executed as they believe they will go to Paradise with all those Virgins, [what do the women get] so they are not afraid to die therefore death is no deterant, life inprison with no parole would be more suitable.

I don't think it really matters as the religion is really just an excuse

but you could have Muslim leaders condemn him and refuse him Islamic burial
And tell him so before the execution.

that is what happened to the Sydney siege guy the Local Muslim leaders but a fatwa on him and denied him any religious burial

And to add further insult to injury for him, that his executioner is a woman. Laughing

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:all punishments are a form of revenge. If you take multiple lives then you should be willing to forfeit your own. How is the death penalty any worse than being locked in a supermax box 23 hours a day for the rest of your life. all terrorists should be executed within a short time frame after conviction and sentencing.

It could be said though that being put in prison prevents you from committing another crime, so that's not the same as revenge.

I do think that it all goes on for too long though - years and years in most cases in the US. They must feel like they've done a life sentence already by the time they get on that execution table.

I am a firm believer in the death penalty for terrorists and cop killers and those that murder children. If there is overwhelming evidence to convict then they should be executed as quickly as is practical.

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:47 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The death penalty makes societies who have it into killers, full-stop.

good, criminals should be made to fear society, not treat it with contemp

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:49 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?

I dont have a problem with recent cases where the prisoner has appeared to writhe in agony after being administered his lethal injection.
In fact for some of the worst murderers that should be an actual requirement.

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:51 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?

It will probably be an honor to him ... he gets to die fighting the Great Satan and all.

he will scream and shout and scream for his mother when they strap him down. I sincerely hope it is extremely painful. It is far better than he let the 3 dead and the numerous people who's lives have been irrevocably changed have

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:52 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

It will probably be an honor to him ... he gets to die fighting the Great Satan and all.
he will scream and shout and scream for his mother when they strap him down. I sincerely hope it is extremely painful. It is far better than he let the 3 dead and the numerous people who's lives have been irrevocably changed have

Doubtfull if he is a devout extremist. It shows you know little about how many of them are so willing to die.

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:53 pm

nicko wrote:In the case of Muslims found guilty of murder, they should not be executed as they believe they will go to Paradise with all those Virgins, [what do the women get] so they are not afraid to die therefore death is no deterant, life inprison with no parole would be more suitable.

Muslim terrorists should be executed by women with a lethal injection of pigs blood and poison and then fed to pigs. anything that stops them getting their raisins is a good thing.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:54 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
nicko wrote:In the case of Muslims found guilty of murder, they should not be executed as they believe they will go to Paradise with all those Virgins, [what do the women get] so they are not afraid to die therefore death is no deterant, life inprison with no parole would be more suitable.
Muslim terrorists should be executed by women with a lethal injection of pigs blood and poison and then fed to pigs. anything that stops them getting their raisins is a good thing.

I guess you believe the Quran is true then?
I agree on the method of execution though to such extremists.

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:55 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
he will scream and shout and scream for his mother when they strap him down. I sincerely hope it is extremely painful. It is far better than he let the 3 dead and the numerous people who's lives have been irrevocably changed have

Doubtfull if he is a devout extremist. It shows you know little about how many of them are so willing to die.

if he was willing to die, he would have died in the shootout.

by The Devil, You Know Tue May 19, 2015 1:56 pm

Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
Muslim terrorists should be executed by women with a lethal injection of pigs blood and poison and then fed to pigs. anything that stops them getting their raisins is a good thing.

I guess you believe the Quran is true then?
I agree on the method of execution though to such extremists.

why would you think I believe that, its what they believe that matters.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:00 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

I guess you believe the Quran is true then?
I agree on the method of execution though to such extremists.
why would you think I believe that, its what they believe that matters.

Its a very absurd point, if you believe you are stopping them from obtaining something you thus believe this happens when they die.
It also shows you know very little about islam itself.

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:02 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Lucifer Angel of Light wrote:

Doubtfull if he is a devout extremist. It shows you know little about how many of them are so willing to die.
if he was willing to die, he would have died in the shootout.

Really? To him and extremists he will be seen as a martyr.

by Raggamuffin Tue May 19, 2015 8:33 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It could be said though that being put in prison prevents you from committing another crime, so that's not the same as revenge.

I do think that it all goes on for too long though - years and years in most cases in the US. They must feel like they've done a life sentence already by the time they get on that execution table.
I am a firm believer in the death penalty for terrorists and cop killers and those that murder children. If there is overwhelming evidence to convict then they should be executed as quickly as is practical.

They used to do it very quickly in the UK - about six weeks I think. In the US they seem to go on and on for years with appeal after appeal. If they've decided to kill someone, what's the point of dragging it out for so long?

by Raggamuffin Tue May 19, 2015 8:35 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Once again, it's this "sanitisation" of the death penalty which is as bad as the death penalty itself. All this searching for more "humane" ways of doing it is so hypocritical. Doctors being in attendance is horrible - they're supposed to save lives, not encourage the taking of them. They do post mortems as well don't they? Is that in case the condemned committed suicide without them realising, or died of natural causes just before they could be executed?

In any case, will this chap care about dying?
I dont have a problem with recent cases where the prisoner has appeared to writhe in agony after being administered his lethal injection.
In fact for some of the worst murderers that should be an actual requirement.

Well at least you admit it.

The US can't get its killer drugs from Europe any more so they're having to experiment - with disastrous results usually.

by nicko Tue May 19, 2015 9:13 pm

Whats wrong with Cyanide? I was under the impression it kills in 1 minute. Anyone know otherwise?

by Raggamuffin Tue May 19, 2015 9:37 pm

nicko wrote:Whats wrong with Cyanide? I was under the impression it kills in 1 minute. Anyone know otherwise?

They tried that before when they gassed people. It takes more than a minute I think. They wouldn't use it in injections - too "distressing" for the witnesses.

by Ben Reilly Tue May 19, 2015 9:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
nicko wrote:Whats wrong with Cyanide? I was under the impression it kills in 1 minute. Anyone know otherwise?

They tried that before when they gassed people. It takes more than a minute I think. They wouldn't use it in injections - too "distressing" for the witnesses.

No, no cyanide! That's a violent, nasty death.

by Tommy Monk Tue May 19, 2015 11:23 pm

Just give them a morphine OD...

I'm sure those on death row didn't care too much about their victims violent nasty deaths...

Fuck them... firing squad or noose would do equally well...

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 11:25 pm

2 x 20,000lb concrete blocks

one on ground

one in air on crane

subject strapped to one on ground

crane forgets to hold onto its block

quick

effective

cheap and efficient

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