Why the SNP cannot be trusted

First topic message reminder :

David Cameron started a dramatic battle to save the United Kingdom from break-up on Saturday night as Scottish nationalists prepared the ground for a new referendum on independence. Fresh from a landslide election result, Alex Salmond declared that Scotland was closer than ever to separating from the UK. After winning 56 out of 59 seats north of the border, Mr Salmond, who is now an MP, said the SNP’s near clean sweep was a “staging post” towards full independence. It was the first time that the SNP had suggested it would use its total domination at the polls to press ahead with its plan to split Scotland from the rest of Britain.

Until now, the party leadership has always promised that it would not use the general election results to re-open the debate about independence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/SNP/11595243/SNPs-dramatic-new-push-for-independence.html

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not exactly because they speak for the whole of the UK, whether the whole of the UK wants them to or not.  The SNP speak for Scotland only.

Yet Nigel Farage: said the English are biggest victims of racism because of Scots that`s hardly speaking  for the whole of the UK
and does`t he want the scots to leave the uk  that`s certainly the impression i get

Well they did try to attack him when he was up there.

Anyway, look at the bad press Nigel Farage gets because of his perceived nationalism.

Look at the bad press Nicola Sturgeon gets 'the most dangerous woman in Britain' lol

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yes raggs and i do ,in many ways that would be a sad day but its always a sad day when a "family member "decides to strike out on there own.And in-fact it could bring us closer together

Oh I don't know. Some might vote that way because a lot of Scots voted to leave.

I'd be interested to know how people would vote if NI wanted to leave.

unfortunately that has more roots in religion i think
but i am no expert on Irish politics or aspirations and not best placed to make a informed opinion on the subject
but i know the Irish contingent of my family would welcome independence form England

risingsun wrote:Look at the bad press Nicola Sturgeon gets 'the most dangerous woman in Britain' lol

I think that's meant as a compliment.

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh I don't know. Some might vote that way because a lot of Scots voted to leave.

I'd be interested to know how people would vote if NI wanted to leave.

unfortunately that has more roots in religion i think
but i am no expert on Irish politics or aspirations and not best placed to make a informed opinion on the subject
but i know the Irish contingent of my family would welcome independence form England

I don't think the NI situation has much to do with religion in the eyes of a lot of English people. The issue is how much the unionists have in common with the English.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
Yet Nigel Farage: said the English are biggest victims of racism because of Scots that`s hardly speaking  for the whole of the UK
and does`t he want the scots to leave the uk  that`s certainly the impression i get

Well they did try to attack him when he was up there.

Anyway, look at the bad press Nigel Farage gets because of his perceived nationalism.

they are all ways nutters who think that violence against a politician is justified
that`s not true for the vast majority

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they did try to attack him when he was up there.

Anyway, look at the bad press Nigel Farage gets because of his perceived nationalism.

they are all ways nutters who think that violence against a politician is justified
that`s not true for the vast majority
 

I think he's saying that England should have its own parliament. That's fair enough isn't it?

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
they are all ways nutters who think that violence against a politician is justified
that`s not true for the vast majority
 

I think he's saying that England should have its own parliament. That's fair enough isn't it?

yes i have no problem with that
but i do have a problem with a English parliament controlling Scotland
we have our own parliament but its powers are curtailed and restricted by the English parliament is that fair ?

@sassy

yeah yeah....

well we will see...

of course you are now demonstrating WHY labour lost as opposed to the cons actually winning

as I said in politics thread

between millipede and that dreadful woman

they screwed it...

the disdain and hatered of anyone who has anything shone through in shedloads....

they were that bust setting out to "thrash the rich" that they were quite happy to clobber the vast majority

of "middle incomers" as well...

It was never going to end well

they played the politics of teh champagne socialist too much...

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I think he's saying that England should have its own parliament. That's fair enough isn't it?

yes i have no problem with that
but i do have a problem with a English parliament controlling Scotland  
we have our own parliament but its powers are curtailed and restricted by the English parliament is that fair ?

We don't have an English parliament, we have a UK parliament, in which the SNP sit. I think what he's saying is that the Scots shouldn't be controlling what happens in England. This issue came up after the referendum - Scottish MPs having a say in things which affect England only.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
yes i have no problem with that
but i do have a problem with a English parliament controlling Scotland  
we have our own parliament but its powers are curtailed and restricted by the English parliament is that fair ?

We don't have an English parliament, we have a UK parliament, in which the SNP sit. I think what he's saying is that the Scots shouldn't be controlling what happens in England. This issue came up after the referendum - Scottish MPs having a say in things which affect England only.

No its a English run parliament hence the English,welsh,and Irish have had very little influence in it .......till now anyway


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and English MPs have a say in things which only affect Scotland .
closure of airbases and navy bases and army bases is an example of that

how many decommissioned nuclear subs are left to rot in Scotland vs England ? raggs

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

We don't have an English parliament, we have a UK parliament, in which the SNP sit. I think what he's saying is that the Scots shouldn't be controlling what happens in England. This issue came up after the referendum - Scottish MPs having a say in things which affect England only.

No its a English run parliament hence the English,welsh,and Irish have had very little influence in it .......till now anyway


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and English MPs have a say in things which affect Scotland .

No, the majority of the seats are in England because it's the biggest part of the UK. That doesn't make it an English parliament. To have an English parliament would mean not having any Scots, Welsh, or NI reps in it.

English MPs have a say in things which affect Scotland because their parties stand in Scotland and want to represent Scotland - the SNP do not stand in England, and do not ever want to represent anyone in England.

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
No its a English run parliament hence the English,welsh,and Irish have had very little influence in it .......till now anyway


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and English MPs have a say in things which affect Scotland .

No, the majority of the seats are in England because it's the biggest part of the UK. That doesn't make it an English parliament. To have an English parliament would mean not having any Scots, Welsh, or NI reps in it.

English MPs have a say in things which affect Scotland because their parties stand in Scotland and want to represent Scotland - the SNP do not stand in England, and do not ever want to represent anyone in England.

yes very one sided don`t you think and that`s the problem the SNP do not stand in England that is true perhaps they should, after all Doncaster is still technically a Scottish area and they are a lot of Scots in England

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No, the majority of the seats are in England because it's the biggest part of the UK. That doesn't make it an English parliament. To have an English parliament would mean not having any Scots, Welsh, or NI reps in it.

English MPs have a say in things which affect Scotland because their parties stand in Scotland and want to represent Scotland - the SNP do not stand in England, and do not ever want to represent anyone in England.

yes very one sided don`t you think and that`s the problem the SNP do not stand in England that is true perhaps they should, after all Doncaster is still technically a Scottish area and they are a lot of Scots in England

Ah, well if the SNP stood in England they would likely lose a lot of support in Scotland. They'd also have to rename their party.

Hundreds of thousands of Scottish-born people live south of the border. And despite making England their home, some want to see an end to the union.

There are more Scots in England than any city in Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27655496

i am going to leave this for now as i really need to shoot some planes out of the sky(war thunder)
but thanks for a proper debate Raggs and will pick it up later

korban dallas wrote:Hundreds of thousands of Scottish-born people live south of the border. And despite making England their home, some want to see an end to the union.

There are more Scots in England than any city in Scotland.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27655496

That's a bit weird don't you think? That suggests a real nationalism based on ethnicity rather than anything else.

korban dallas wrote:i am going to leave this for now as i really need to shoot some planes out of the sky(war thunder)
but thanks for a proper debate Raggs  and will pick it up later

Thank you too.

See you later!

The SNP are pushing for third-party perks apparently. I think that if they get too mouthy and demanding, there will be calls for another referendum - from the English.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/snp-wants-liberal-democrats-third-party-parliamentary-perks

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
i think that`s what you have been lead to believe i dont think as a whole its true hence the vote No

What have I been led to believe? I daresay it was a no vote because they voted for what they thought was best for themselves.

that the majority of scots hate the English i don`t believe that is true, i certainly don`t

The majority of English don't hate the scots either.
According to some on here, the English hate everybody