Why won’t the Left condemn Saudi Arabia as it did Israel?

Saudi Arabia fights Islamist extremists in a neighbouring country and kills civilians. No international fuss at all, and the media Left barely notice:

At least 18 civilians have been killed in Saudi airstrikes on a missile depot in the Yemeni capital city of Sana’a.

According to Yemeni medics on Monday, 300 have been wounded and scores of nearby houses and vehicles were destroyed in the attack hitting the Faj Attan district in the mountainous outskirts of the capital, where the missile depot is located…

According to reports, at least 2,680 people, including women and children, have so far lost their lives in the attacks.

Israel fights Islamist extremists in a neighbouring country and kills many fewer civilians. Massive international fuss, and the media Left savages Israel:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/why_isnt_the_left_condemning_saudi_arabia_the_way_it_did_israel/




I mean when this is Israel it is on the news channels 24/7, but Muslims killing Muslims for most hypocritoical lefties they find it impossible to speak out and show the same comparative outrage they do against Israel. Which proves beyond doubt how you can easily argue that some on the left are very much antisemitic hatred of Jews.

I mean where is the calls for sanctions on Saudi? They have an appalling humans rights record, women suffer the worst discrimination, the country has actual Aparthied laws that discriminate against Blacks, non-Arabs, treat Asians as if slaves, Non-Muslims have no rights to practice their faith and this has to be done in private. I could go on the list is endless, but apart from the odd token protest from some Muslims, the equivalency in outrage is near non-existent. You then have to question if the left are championing barbaric regemes like Saudi, because they are so afraid this means condemning some Muslims. If this is the case, then it shows and proves they have little right to condemn anyone because of their hypocrisy and how they fail to apply the same level of outrage that they do to Israel.

This is why when you see those who campaign daily against Israel who rarely speak out on the daily abuses in Muslims countries that dwarfs anything that goes on in Israel, shows again to me nothing short of antisemitism is behind their motives.

Why won’t the Left condemn Saudi Arabia as it did Israel?  (replying to the heading, which is patently a lie)

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t8860-death-toll-in-yemen-s-aden-rises-to-195-amid-worsening-humanitarian-crisis
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t8704-saudi-arabia-invades-yemen-with-us-uk-backing
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t9088-instructions-being-given-to-people-in-yemen

http://stopwar.org.uk/resources/stop-the-war-statements/stop-the-war-statement-on-yemen

http://blogs.fco.gov.uk/janemarriott/2014/04/16/friends-of-yemen-demonstrating-continued-support-for-yemen-and-its-people/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/invading-yemen-criminality-in-support-of-hegemony/5439277

and so much more.

And perhaps you should read my twitter feed, many of us are trying to support the people of Yemen, as we do the people of Palestine.

So that is 3 links compared to over a hundred on Israel you post.

I rest my case.

This was a view on comparative outrage and thanks Sassy you just proved they are not comparative what so ever.

So where is the mass protests?

Where is the mass calls for sanctions?

Post a couple of token threads to shield away from antisemitism is just a smoke screen that can easily be seen through.

No doubt there has been a far too cozy relationship between Saudi Arabia and the American right. And because oil flowed through that relationship, and oil is essential to our western economy, it is probably true that the left has looked aside now and then.

But ever since Arab Spring the world has been taking a closer look at the sinews that bind the ME. Lately, I have heard more about SA than ever before--from evil, master manipulators to surreptitious extremists. Indeed, this thread is yet another in a long line of comments highlighting SA and its role.

Original Quill wrote:No doubt there has been a far too cozy relationship between Saudi Arabia and the American right.  And because oil flowed through that relationship, and oil is essential to our western economy, it is probably true that the left has looked aside now and then.

But ever since Arab Spring the world has been taking a closer look at the sinews that bind the ME.  Lately, I have heard more about SA than ever before--from evil, master manipulators to surreptitious extremists.  Indeed, this thread is yet another in a long line of comments highlighting SA and its role.

All ell and good Quill, but there is no comparison in coverage, outrage, protests and calls for sanctions . The fact is when you look at Saudi Arabia and its Theocratic laws, it is appalling and the left are genrally silent on this

Original Quill wrote:No doubt there has been a far too cozy relationship between Saudi Arabia and the American right.  And because oil flowed through that relationship, and oil is essential to our western economy, it is probably true that the left has looked aside now and then.

But ever since Arab Spring the world has been taking a closer look at the sinews that bind the ME.  Lately, I have heard more about SA than ever before--from evil, master manipulators to surreptitious extremists.  Indeed, this thread is yet another in a long line of comments highlighting SA and its role.

Indeed, now Saudi are actually invading and bombing and killing the light of inspection is shining on them thankfully. The fact that it has only been a few weeks, we have had the crisis in Nepal etc, means that the light in not shining as bright as it could. Of course Israel has been doing it since the last century, and more than once, which is why the light on them reached it's brightest a long time ago, and will stay that way. Saudi has been getting away with murder for years because of it's oil, this may well be it's undoing.

risingsun wrote:

Original Quill wrote:No doubt there has been a far too cozy relationship between Saudi Arabia and the American right.  And because oil flowed through that relationship, and oil is essential to our western economy, it is probably true that the left has looked aside now and then.

But ever since Arab Spring the world has been taking a closer look at the sinews that bind the ME.  Lately, I have heard more about SA than ever before--from evil, master manipulators to surreptitious extremists.  Indeed, this thread is yet another in a long line of comments highlighting SA and its role.

Indeed, now Saudi are actually invading and bombing and killing the light of inspection is shining on them thankfully.  The fact that it has only been a few weeks, we have had the crisis in Nepal etc, means that the light in not shining as bright as it could.    Of course Israel has been doing it since the last century, and more than once, which is why the light on them reached it's brightest a long time ago, and will stay that way.  Saudi has been getting away with murder for years because of it's oil, this may well be it's undoing.

Media coverage-Minimal
Outrage-Small and limited
Calls for sanctions-next to nothing
Sassy ignoring how many times the Arabs have attacked Israel? Always
Sassy ignoring without these attacks and recognising Israel there would not be these problems

And most of all, does Sassy condemn the religious practices of the Saudi's?

DON'T Know where the old Dodgeri' is getting his doddery info' from...

AS THE "Left" has been condemning and abusing Saudi Arabia for a long time now..

CERTAINLY a long, long time well before the Right/Tories/Repub's decided to 'jump on the bandwagon' !

Lone Wolf wrote:

DON'T Know where the old Dodgeri' is getting his doddery info' from...

AS THE "Left" has been condemning and abusing Saudi Arabia for a long time now..

CERTAINLY a long, long time well before the Right/Tories/Repub's decided to 'jump on the bandwagon' !

Really, then you should have years of daily mass media articles to back up your stance.

Again it should be very easy to show the comparison in media coverage on Yemen compared to Israel last year during the conflict?

Next it should be easy to show mass protests in comparison?

It should be easy to show the amount of calls and proposals for sanctions?

Nemesis wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

DON'T Know where the old Dodgeri' is getting his doddery info' from...

AS THE "Left" has been condemning and abusing Saudi Arabia for a long time now..

CERTAINLY a long, long time well before the Right/Tories/Repub's decided to 'jump on the bandwagon' !

Really, then you should have years of daily mass media articles to back up your stance.

Again it should be very easy to show the comparison in media coverage on Yemen compared to Israel last year during the conflict?

Next it should be easy to show mass protests in comparison?

It should be easy to show the amount of calls and proposals for sanctions?

Well, I think you do make a good point, Nemesis. The coverage on SA and it's role has been too quiet for too long. Admittedly, it doesn't have the longevity, nor the intensity as, say, Israel or Iran, but it is growing.

Are you more disenchanted by the fact that is a late-comer? Because it is happening.

Original Quill wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Really, then you should have years of daily mass media articles to back up your stance.

Again it should be very easy to show the comparison in media coverage on Yemen compared to Israel last year during the conflict?

Next it should be easy to show mass protests in comparison?

It should be easy to show the amount of calls and proposals for sanctions?

Well, I think you do make a good point, Nemesis.  The coverage on SA and it's role has been too quiet for too long.  Admittedly, it doesn't have the longevity, nor the intensity as, say, Israel or Iran, but it is growing.

Are you more disenchanted by the fact that is a late-comer?  Because it is happening.

To me it is about comparative outrage, which can show you more behind views people have of a given nation.
Lets take for example both Israel and Saudi. Israel is a democracy and based on secularism
Saudi has a Theocratic law based system, that is at odds with everything a Liberal would stand for in equality and human rights. This has gone on since its creation as a nation and how many calls have their been for sanctions on this nation? A nation that does very much have an Apartheid system, which discriminates against so many groups.
So why only now when it is involved in a conflict is there some limited and not very vocal voice opposing Saudi? Should only a conflict bring to attention the wrongs done by a nation?
The point is again how the comparative rhetoric from some of the left (I do not include you in this, like I say it is a minority of the left) could easily be construed to be more antisemitic when they ignore far worse human rights abuses from Saudi and center only on Israel.

Nemesis wrote:To me it is about comparative outrage, which can show you more behind views people have of a given nation.
Lets take for example both Israel and Saudi. Israel is a democracy and based on secularism
Saudi has a Theocratic law based system, that is at odds with everything a Liberal would stand for in equality and human rights. This has gone on since its creation as a nation and how many calls have their been for sanctions on this nation? A nation that does very much have an Apartheid system, which discriminates against so many groups.

Well, far be it for me to defend the Saudi system; I’ve heard of too much evil coming out of there.  

But, first, Israel in hardly secularist.  What they seek is a nation of Jews, by Jews and for Jews.  And given their history, I don’t begrudge them that.  But secular?  No.  Much of the problem with Israel is that they don’t want to be inclusive.

And, second, I don’t see the theocracy in SA as much as the greed, notwithstanding that Wahhabism came from there.  If SA were theocratic, we would have heard from them in terms far more like the MB government of Egypt of a couple of years ago, when former MB leader Morsi was elected.  I think the SA thing is oil and money…which is why RW America likes them so much.  Like minds thinking alike, and all that…

As far as apartheid is concerned, well…I associate apartheid with racism.  Of the many problems associated with SA, I don’t see racism at the top.

Nemesis wrote:So why only now when it is involved in a conflict is there some limited and not very vocal voice opposing Saudi? Should only a conflict bring to attention the wrongs done by a nation?
The point is again how the comparative rhetoric from some of the left (I do not include you in this, like I say it is a minority of the left) could easily be construed to be more antisemitic when they ignore far worse human rights abuses from Saudi and center only on Israel.

Well, I’m quite serious when I say you are doing your small part to raise awareness about SA.  It is getting talked about more and more, and people are listening in chat sessions just like this (one of the frustrations about posting is one doesn’t know how people are taking one, and in particular whether it is because of one’s style or content).  I would like to see more investigative reporting on the matter, I admit.

You are wrong it is a secular nation apart from around marriage.
So I suggest you look up the laws of Israel first before we further engage in this debate?
Once you understand their laws, we can then further process, but if you take a wrong view point on the laws, when they are very much secular, we are not going to be able to proceed very far with the points I am making Quill, because the laws in Israel are far more Liberal and based on equality than Saudi Arabia.

I have to go out and will address the other points later

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7606-michelle-obama-highlights-harsh-restrictions-faced-by-saudi-women-after-meeting-king-salman-without-wearing-a-headscarf?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7573-louise-mensch-just-told-david-cameron-and-the-queen-to-fk-off-over-saudi-king-abdullah?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t4590-atheism-as-bad-as-terrorism-saudi-arabia-decides-but-atheists-carry-on?highlight=saudi+arabia

And I think this would be my personal favorite:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7124-seriously-fuck-saudi-arabia?highlight=saudi+arabia

Ben_Reilly wrote:http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7606-michelle-obama-highlights-harsh-restrictions-faced-by-saudi-women-after-meeting-king-salman-without-wearing-a-headscarf?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7573-louise-mensch-just-told-david-cameron-and-the-queen-to-fk-off-over-saudi-king-abdullah?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t4590-atheism-as-bad-as-terrorism-saudi-arabia-decides-but-atheists-carry-on?highlight=saudi+arabia

And I think this would be my personal favorite:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7124-seriously-fuck-saudi-arabia?highlight=saudi+arabia

Ben yet again proving why he is an utterly clueless lefty.

Do you want me to show how many thread in comparison have been made on Israel?

Do you understand what comparative means?

Do you understand what disparity means?

Seriously learn to be impartial because you clearly are one hell of a biased lefty twat

Have a good evening and thank you for proving my point

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7606-michelle-obama-highlights-harsh-restrictions-faced-by-saudi-women-after-meeting-king-salman-without-wearing-a-headscarf?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7573-louise-mensch-just-told-david-cameron-and-the-queen-to-fk-off-over-saudi-king-abdullah?highlight=saudi+arabia

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t4590-atheism-as-bad-as-terrorism-saudi-arabia-decides-but-atheists-carry-on?highlight=saudi+arabia

And I think this would be my personal favorite:

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t7124-seriously-fuck-saudi-arabia?highlight=saudi+arabia

Ben yet again proving why he is an utterly clueless lefty.

Do you want me to show how many thread in comparison have been made on Israel?

Do you understand what comparative means?

Do you understand what disparity means?

Seriously learn to be impartial because you clearly are one hell of a biased lefty twat

Have a good evening and thank you for proving my point

I can always tell when I've struck a nerve when you lose emotional control

I have a set of books called The Princess Trilogy, written by Jean Sasson, which is a pseudonym for a women in the Saudi royal family, smuggled out, which I first read when they were published in 1993. They are a horrowing account of the life of women there, and one of the reasons I have watched their struggle for years having already be made very angry by 'Death of a Princess'? a drama based on fact that came out in 1980



I have never understood (well yes I have, oil and money) why we class Saudi as an ally.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Ben yet again proving why he is an utterly clueless lefty.

Do you want me to show how many thread in comparison have been made on Israel?

Do you understand what comparative means?

Do you understand what disparity means?

Seriously learn to be impartial because you clearly are one hell of a biased lefty twat

Have a good evening and thank you for proving my point

I can always tell when I've struck a nerve when you lose emotional control

Maybe Ben because I actually took you to be an honest person and yet you are no more than the worst biased left wing idiot out of most here.
It shows I have lost all respect for you because anyone can see the fact here is Israel is treated to a much higher standard than anyone else.
So if I call you an idiot it is because you are in deserving of such a title.
Got that?
It shows you are incapable of being impartial and you just proved that, you are another pathetic Israeli hating racist idiot. You would rather appease barbaric Theocratic societies than a democratic society, IT sums up your ignorance

Now you know where I stand and that I now think you are an idiot.
I have no time for ignorance

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Ben yet again proving why he is an utterly clueless lefty.

Do you want me to show how many thread in comparison have been made on Israel?

Do you understand what comparative means?

Do you understand what disparity means?

Seriously learn to be impartial because you clearly are one hell of a biased lefty twat

Have a good evening and thank you for proving my point

I can always tell when I've struck a nerve when you lose emotional control

Maybe Ben because I actually took you to be an honest person and yet you are no more than the worst biased left wing idiot out of most here.
It shows I have lost all respect for you because anyone can see the fact here is Israel is treated to a much higher standard than anyone else.
So if I call you an idiot it is because you are in deserving of such a title.
Got that?
It shows you are incapable of being impartial and you just proved that, you are another pathetic Israeli hating racist idiot. You would rather appease barbaric Theocratic societies than a democratic society, IT sums up your ignorance

Now you know where I stand and that I now think you are an idiot.
I have no time for ignorance

Yeah, me posting a thread called "Seriously, fuck Saudi Arabia" is "appeasing barbaric theocratic societies." Do you run these things through a few times in your brain before you post them?

@ben
once you say something about Israel he goes blind in a Hate filled rage

veya_victaous wrote:@ben
once you say something about Israel he goes blind in a Hate filled rage

And I just scratch my head and wonder what's so freaking great about Israel

 

ISRAEL...

THE biggest parasite on the World Community..

HASN'T paid it's way since 1948 ~ IF it wasn't for the foreign money being paid in through New York, London, Munich, Vienna, Melbourne, et al, then the Israeli economy would have rolled over and died years ago !

AND THEIR military and intelligence services both keep getting away with murdering allied military servicemen and foreign citizens alike ~ with continuing full impunity overseen by the USA, Britain and the United Nations..

CONTINUES to invade both Palestinian and neighbouring territories, and the world just shrugs and turns it's collective back to those ongong Israeli warcrimes and atrocities...    

Lone Wolf wrote:  

ISRAEL...

THE biggest parasite on the World Community..

HASN'T paid it's way since 1948 ~ IF it wasn't for the foreign money being paid in through New York, London, Munich, Vienna, Melbourne, et al, then the Israeli economy would have rolled over and died years ago !

AND THEIR military and intelligence services both keep getting away with murdering allied military servicemen and foreign citizens alike ~ with continuing full impunity overseen by the USA, Britain and the United Nations..

CONTINUES to invade both Palestinian and neighbouring territories, and the world just shrugs and turns it's collective back to those ongong Israeli warcrimes and atrocities...    

What an incredible daft response from another pathetic lefty appeaser making up history as he goes along.

Of course he leaves out how Israel has been constantly attacked by its neighbors since its creation and how many of them have vowed to destroy them.

I mean lets justignore the history and further proves how some of the left are the biggest Jewish haters going, because this is about a comparrison and here the left seem to buiry their heads in the sand over this. They would rather support Theocratic countries that have barbaric laws.

It does not get anymore stupid that that really

Here again is a history lesson for the left appeasers to understand:


Who started the conflicts in 1948?

1) Was it the Arabs?

2) Or was it the Arabs?

Lets see if the left can engage their brains

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Maybe Ben because I actually took you to be an honest person and yet you are no more than the worst biased left wing idiot out of most here.
It shows I have lost all respect for you because anyone can see the fact here is Israel is treated to a much higher standard than anyone else.
So if I call you an idiot it is because you are in deserving of such a title.
Got that?
It shows you are incapable of being impartial and you just proved that, you are another pathetic Israeli hating racist idiot. You would rather appease barbaric Theocratic societies than a democratic society, IT sums up your ignorance

Now you know where I stand and that I now think you are an idiot.
I have no time for ignorance

Yeah, me posting a thread called "Seriously, fuck Saudi Arabia" is "appeasing barbaric theocratic societies." Do you run these things through a few times in your brain before you post them?

Yes I do think you cannot comprehend comparability or disparity over how one nation is held to such higher standards than others.
Your token threads prove that, because if you believed as I do against bad ideas you would also post them daily. So please, pretty please explain to me why you fail to?
I would question if you have the ability to use your brain when it is so hard wired to be biased?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@ben
once you say something about Israel he goes blind in a Hate filled rage

And I just scratch my head and wonder what's so freaking great about Israel

There is no rage, just astounding at your inability to be impartial and so utterly biased.
Again I took you for an honest person, when clearly you are nothing of the sort.
An honest person would admit there is a massive disparity on how Israel is reported on compared to similar events. If you cannot see that, then like I say, your mind is so indoctrinated with left wing drivel, you thus are unable to be impartial.
Take that as you will, but I am beginning to see how poor an individual you really are.
You can of course prove me wrong and am happy that you do so, but your record so far I have to say is poor to say the least

Let me try and place this in a context you will understand Ben.

I have just been questioning your integrity. Imagine in real life countless people attacked your integrity as a sports reporter, claiming like I have just done to you claiming you were dishonest etc. How would that make you feel? Would you feel that people were unfair and now daily you read such claims against you? Yet other reporters you know go untouched when you know they are dishonest unlike you? Would you not speak out against the disparity in how people were being against you and targeting you and ignoring others who were actually dishonest? It would be wrong of me or others to treat you that way unfairly would it not? Sure you may have some faults, but they are nothing like some of the others.

Try and place yourself in this situation.

When you can, then try and place yourself in Israel's situation.

This is not saying Israel does no wrong, it certainly does, this is about disparity in how the worlds media treated them compared to others.

I hope this finally sinks in and that you start to understand.

look what you did wolf


@Nemesis
Yes Israel is rightfully held to a higher standard because it is an extension of western influence in the region. We expect more from them since that is what they portrayed themselves to be.
It is really the others are not acting as bad as we suspected and Israel is acting worse than we suspected, but you are correct they are both actually acting more or less the same.

veya_victaous wrote:look what you did wolf  


@Nemesis
Yes Israel is rightfully held to a higher standard because it is an extension of western influence in the region. We expect more from them since that is what they portrayed themselves to be.
It is really the others are not acting as bad as we suspected and Israel is acting worse than we suspected, but you are correct they are both actually acting more or less the same.

So basically you just admitted they are unfairly treated.

Some honesty at last

I notice the coward has run away with his tail between his legs though

not necessarily unfairly
they are held to the same standard we hold ourselves to (or at least pretend to)

we hold Muslim nations to a lower standard because realistically we are still racist and don't expect as much from them.

I don't think the answer is to lower the standards by which we hold Israel but raise the standards by which we hold the others. Of course we have to be realistic Israel receives a lot more from the west so it should be much easier to hold them accountable. the problem with trying to hold a nation like Iran accountable is we don't have anything to hold over it, it is not reliant on us for trade, economic stability and military funding.

No the system is very unfair to where you have nations that have appalling human rights records and no call of sanctions is called upon by some of the pathetic left.
It shows up the disparity and how pathetic some their arguments are.
Even more so when you look at the likes of a terrorist organisation like Hamas itself

Nemesis wrote:No the system is very unfair to where you have nations that have appalling human rights records and no call of sanctions is called upon by some of the pathetic left.
It shows up the disparity and how pathetic some their arguments are.
Even more so when you look at the likes of a terrorist organisation like Hamas itself

But are Israel the same as Hamas? are they Meant to be equal? or is Israel meet to be the 'good guys'

and that was my point is we cant sanction someone we don't trade with or we only trade with because we need what they have and not the other way round they will rightly flip us the bird and say 'whateva'

And i know the US has an appalling human rights record I call for economic sanctions on the USA all the time but no one seems to listen