Islamic terrorism why there is none in Japan

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Muslim terrorists can be proud: their share in world terrorist attacks is now close to 100%.

Seems there is not a single country where Muslims would not show their true colors… But no! There is such a country. It’s one of the most developed countries on Earth, and its democratic nature is recognized worldwide, a true ally of the USA and a member of NATO. However, with all this, there was not a single terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims in this country. Moreover, there was not a single, even minor, riot, disturbance or protest, no matter how many citizens of this country support cartoons of the prophet Muhammad published in some Danish newspaper or in a French magazine.

The name of this lucky country is Japan.

Of course, Japan achieved this by some super effective integration policy, through using the most advanced technologies and assigning billions of yen on the building of thousands of mosques and Islamic schools all over Japan, banning pork in all public places, introducing separate hours for boys and girls in swimming pools in all public schools, and Japanese male doctors do not dare touch their female patients, Muslim women get immense social aid each time they have a child, Shari´a courts were introduced in the judicial system of Japan, and the Koran is considered a Holy Book in Japan….....


No, nothing of the kind. What Japan did to avoid problems related to Muslims was much simpler and cheaper; Japan is practically closed to Muslims.

Officially, immigration to Japan is not closed to Muslims. But the number of the immigration permits given to the applicants from Islamic countries is very low. Obtaining a working visa is not easy for adepts of Islam, even if they are physicians, engineers and managers sent by foreign companies that are active in the region. As a result, Japan is “a country without Muslims”.

There is no reliable estimate on the Japanese Muslim population. However, claims of thirty thousand made by some researchers are without doubt an exaggeration. Some claim that there are only a few hundred. This probably amounts to the number of Muslims openly practicing Islam. Asked to give an estimate on the actual number of Muslims in Japan, the ex-president of the Japan Islamic Association Abu Bakr Morimoto replied, “To say frankly, only one thousand. In the broadest sense, I mean, if we do not exclude those who became Muslims for the sake of, say marriage, and do not practice then the number would be a few thousand.”


Read the whole article here: http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2015/04/14/islamic-terrorism-why-there-is-none-in-japan/

So you hate Islam but love Muslims...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:Islam teaches to fight against non believers and created its own empire through war, death and destruction and theft of others lands since it started.

As does Christianity: The Korean War (1950-53); Vietnam War (1956-75); Intervention in Lebanon (1958); Dominican Intervention (); Mayaguez (1975); Khmer Rouge Conflict (1975); U.S. Libya Conflict (1981, 86); Intervention in Lebanon (1982-84); Invasion of Grenada (1983); Invasion of Panama (1989); Second Persian Gulf War "Operation Desert Storm" (1991); Intervention in Somalia (1992-94); Intervention in Bosnia (1994-95); Occupation of Haiti (1994); Afghanistan and Sudan; "Desert Fox" Campaign (part of U.S./Iraq Conflict) (1998); Kosovo War; Afghanistan War (October 7, 2001-Present); Third Persian Gulf War "Operation Iraqi Freedom" (March 19, 2003-Present)....

And finally, Christians got tired and laid down to rest...

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Interesting place to compare this to is ... my own backyard. The Dallas-Fort Worth area has:

* 6.5 million residents

* 100,000 Muslim residents

* 10,000 undocumented Muslim residents

* One resident who has the misfortune of being George W. Bush

* Zero terrorism from anyone claiming Islam as a motive

So why do we have such a higher percentage of Muslims as our population, living in a space over 100 times smaller than Japan, and no Islamic-motivated terrorism?

Because Muslims are not actually some violent-by-nature group of people. Like every other group of people you could name.

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/exclusive-clarion-project-discovers-texas-terror-enclave

Very skeptical about that report, as ClarionProject describes itself as "Founded in 2006, Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc) is an independently funded, non-profit organization dedicated to exposing the dangers of Islamic extremism while providing a platform for the voices of moderation and promoting grassroots activism."

At any rate, even if it's true, that compound was over 300 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth ... but there are plenty of people living closer to them who say there is nothing to this talk:

BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas -- A small community in Brazoria County has been causing a big stir over rumors that it serves as an Islamic terrorist training camp.

The community, called Mahmoudberg, sits along County Road 3 near the town of Sweeny. When an 11 News crew asked to see the property on Monday afternoon, the request was politely declined at the gate.

But Freeport Police Chief Dan Pennington was recently there.

The best description would be just a trailer park in the country, he said.

The visit followed a series of scathing online articles about the community which cite declassified FBI documents and allege that the site is part of an Islamic terrorist training network.

The view from the road, however, is underwhelming. Kids can be seen playing, chickens roam free, and nothing appears to be out of sorts.

Neighbors across the street say the commune has been there for years, and that they have never had problems.

They help us, we help them, neighbor Charlotte Broussard said. I just don t understand why people want to start crap like that.

As for the FBI documents, Chief Pennington has yet to see them.

We ve spoken with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. There s just nothing out there, he said. They tell us that there s no credible information about that site in terrorism.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2014/07/24/12396014/

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/exclusive-clarion-project-discovers-texas-terror-enclave

Very skeptical about that report, as ClarionProject describes itself as "Founded in 2006, Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc) is an independently funded, non-profit organization dedicated to exposing the dangers of Islamic extremism while providing a platform for the voices of moderation and promoting grassroots activism."

At any rate, even if it's true, that compound was over 300 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth ... but there are plenty of people living closer to them who say there is nothing to this talk:

BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas -- A small community in Brazoria County has been causing a big stir over rumors that it serves as an Islamic terrorist training camp.

The community, called Mahmoudberg, sits along County Road 3 near the town of Sweeny. When an 11 News crew asked to see the property on Monday afternoon, the request was politely declined at the gate.

But Freeport Police Chief Dan Pennington was recently there.

The best description would be just a trailer park in the country, he said.

The visit followed a series of scathing online articles about the community which cite declassified FBI documents and allege that the site is part of an Islamic terrorist training network.

The view from the road, however, is underwhelming. Kids can be seen playing, chickens roam free, and nothing appears to be out of sorts.

Neighbors across the street say the commune has been there for years, and that they have never had problems.

They help us, we help them, neighbor Charlotte Broussard said. I just don t understand why people want to start crap like that.

As for the FBI documents, Chief Pennington has yet to see them.

We ve spoken with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. There s just nothing out there, he said. They tell us that there s no credible information about that site in terrorism.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2014/07/24/12396014/

FBI files are skeptical are they?
As seen it is best to check before making a claim.

Christianity does not promote hatred and war, it promotes love and peace.



Islam undoubtedly promotes hate and war.

Tommy Monk wrote:Christianity does not promote hatred and war, it promotes love and peace.



Islam undoubtedly promotes hate and war.

You clearly have not read the bible and the end of times then.

I also suggest you read and understand the history surrounding the hatred towards the Jews.

Tommy Monk wrote:Christianity does not promote hatred and war, it promotes love and peace.

Islam undoubtedly promotes hate and war.

I think you've got that backwards, Tommy. See the above...quite a legacy.

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/exclusive-clarion-project-discovers-texas-terror-enclave

Very skeptical about that report, as ClarionProject describes itself as "Founded in 2006, Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc) is an independently funded, non-profit organization dedicated to exposing the dangers of Islamic extremism while providing a platform for the voices of moderation and promoting grassroots activism."

At any rate, even if it's true, that compound was over 300 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth ... but there are plenty of people living closer to them who say there is nothing to this talk:

BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas -- A small community in Brazoria County has been causing a big stir over rumors that it serves as an Islamic terrorist training camp.

The community, called Mahmoudberg, sits along County Road 3 near the town of Sweeny. When an 11 News crew asked to see the property on Monday afternoon, the request was politely declined at the gate.

But Freeport Police Chief Dan Pennington was recently there.

The best description would be just a trailer park in the country, he said.

The visit followed a series of scathing online articles about the community which cite declassified FBI documents and allege that the site is part of an Islamic terrorist training network.

The view from the road, however, is underwhelming. Kids can be seen playing, chickens roam free, and nothing appears to be out of sorts.

Neighbors across the street say the commune has been there for years, and that they have never had problems.

They help us, we help them, neighbor Charlotte Broussard said. I just don t understand why people want to start crap like that.

As for the FBI documents, Chief Pennington has yet to see them.

We ve spoken with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. There s just nothing out there, he said. They tell us that there s no credible information about that site in terrorism.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2014/07/24/12396014/

FBI files are skeptical are they?
As seen it is best to check before making a claim.

As cited in the article, the local chief of police has spoken to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force about the site, and "They tell us that there's no credible information about that site in terrorism."

Has anybody actually seen these alleged FBI documents? You'd think if they'd really existed, the FBI would have shared them with the local police chief, wouldn't you?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



FBI files are skeptical are they?
As seen it is best to check before making a claim.

As cited in the article, the local chief of police has spoken to the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force about the site, and "They tell us that there's no credible information about that site in terrorism."

Has anybody actually seen these alleged FBI documents? You'd think if they'd really existed, the FBI would have shared them with the local police chief, wouldn't you?

Chief of Police is now your claim based on their record?

Highly dubious on your part.

FBI records you need to show are false.

Let me know when you can

Here is some more evidence:


http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/homegrown-jihadis-arrested-texas/

Christianity does preach peace and love, tolerance and forgiveness.


Islam tells its followers to fight the non Muslims and hatred for Jews and Christians.

Tommy Monk wrote:Christianity does preach peace and love, tolerance and forgiveness.


Islam tells its followers to fight the non Muslims and hatred for Jews and Christians.

Both teach love and compassion and both teach violence.

Explain Revelations for me?

The main message of Jesus is peace and love, tolerance and forgiveness, he healed the sick, fed the poor and hungry and even raised people from the dead. He never killed anyone, instructed anyone to kill anyone or advocated violence.



Mohammed was a brutal warmongering murdering robbing raping psychotic peadophile, and he and his gang of bandits caused death and destruction everywhere they went.


The two are opposites like sanity and insanity.

Tommy Monk wrote:The main message of Jesus is peace and love, tolerance and forgiveness, he healed the sick, fed the poor and hungry and even raised people from the dead. He never killed anyone, instructed anyone to kill anyone or advocated violence.



Mohammed was a brutal warmongering murdering robbing raping psychotic peadophile, and he and his gang of bandits caused death and destruction everywhere they went.


The two are opposites like sanity and insanity.

The main message of Jesus is to follow him and it is fore told that when he returns he is going to be at the head of an army that wipes out a third of the earth. If he is God, which Christians believe he is, then he killed far more than Hitler, Mao and Stalin put together and makes Muhammad look like an angel in comparison, who's conflicts never involved more than a couple of thousand people.
Non_Christians are seen as going to hell, that is not peaceful or loving. It is only loving towards Christians.
Jesus states he did come to change the law but to fulfill the law of the Old Testament.
Jesus never condemned himself as the God of the Old Testament and hence why for centuries Christians have been killing in his name.

You're confusing actual events and events that are supposedly meant to have happened, with things that have not happened at all.

Tommy Monk wrote:You're confusing actual events with things that have not happened.

Nothing is being confused but what is believed by Christians and what they have actually done.
So I am very much talking about historical events by Christians themselves through the centuries.

Do you know what "Christian Just War" is?

Look it seems very apparent you have little understanding of either religion, which I think it is best you study them both first before engaging in a debate and as seen where you are coming up very short in your answers.

So this discussion is very much over until you actually learn something on this.

Cheers.

This thread is about Japan and the lack of Muslims there and subsequently the lack of Muslim terrorism.



Everywhere else where there are loads of Muslims there is loads of Muslim terrorism.

Tommy Monk wrote: This thread is about Japan and the lack of Muslims there and subsequently the lack of Muslim terrorism.



Everywhere else where there are loads of Muslims there is loads of Muslim terrorism.

This thread is about anything that comes up in the discussion.

Take some sound advice and go and study both Islam and Christianity, as you clearly know very little about them both.



Thanks

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:

http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/exclusive-clarion-project-discovers-texas-terror-enclave

Very skeptical about that report, as ClarionProject describes itself as "Founded in 2006, Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc) is an independently funded, non-profit organization dedicated to exposing the dangers of Islamic extremism while providing a platform for the voices of moderation and promoting grassroots activism."

At any rate, even if it's true, that compound was over 300 miles from Dallas-Fort Worth ... but there are plenty of people living closer to them who say there is nothing to this talk:

BRAZORIA COUNTY, Texas -- A small community in Brazoria County has been causing a big stir over rumors that it serves as an Islamic terrorist training camp.

The community, called Mahmoudberg, sits along County Road 3 near the town of Sweeny. When an 11 News crew asked to see the property on Monday afternoon, the request was politely declined at the gate.

But Freeport Police Chief Dan Pennington was recently there.

The best description would be just a trailer park in the country, he said.

The visit followed a series of scathing online articles about the community which cite declassified FBI documents and allege that the site is part of an Islamic terrorist training network.

The view from the road, however, is underwhelming. Kids can be seen playing, chickens roam free, and nothing appears to be out of sorts.

Neighbors across the street say the commune has been there for years, and that they have never had problems.

They help us, we help them, neighbor Charlotte Broussard said. I just don t understand why people want to start crap like that.

As for the FBI documents, Chief Pennington has yet to see them.

We ve spoken with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force. There s just nothing out there, he said. They tell us that there s no credible information about that site in terrorism.

http://www.khou.com/story/news/local/2014/07/24/12396014/

FBI files are skeptical are they?
As seen it is best to check before making a claim.

3 trailers with 7 women and children and 5 males doesn't exactly make it a terrorist enclave. The FBI checked it out and found no evidence of terrorism. And in any event all the terrorist activities reported in the Clarion article concerned activities elsewhere. The FBI report offered no recommendations and no conclusions.

Tommy Monk wrote: This thread is about Japan and the lack of Muslims there and subsequently the lack of Muslim terrorism.



Everywhere else where there are loads of Muslims there is loads of Muslim terrorism.

I just proved there are "loads" of Muslims here (Dallas-Fort Worth) but no Muslim terrorism here.

When you get like this you remind me of the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz: "I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I *do*!"

Monk, it is very unlikely that without the carve up of the Middle East and North Africa by mainly Britain and France, and the massive instability that followed the end of empire, that we would have the same problems we have today. Again, read the history, find out why situations are the way they are today.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote: This thread is about Japan and the lack of Muslims there and subsequently the lack of Muslim terrorism.



Everywhere else where there are loads of Muslims there is loads of Muslim terrorism.

I just proved there are "loads" of Muslims here (Dallas-Fort Worth) but no Muslim terrorism here.

When you get like this you remind me of the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz: "I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I *do*!"

You never proved anything, in fact you were incorrect

Eilzel wrote:Monk, it is very unlikely that without the carve up of the Middle East and North Africa by mainly Britain and France, and the massive instability that followed the end of empire, that we would have the same problems we have today. Again, read the history, find out why situations are the way they are today.

And you base this on what exactly?
I have read history and that is just failing to understand the different sects or ideologies.

For example Germany was carved up twice in history in the 20th century. The first time it was annoyed because it lost and looked to blame others for its aggression. It lost again, where is the violence from occupation from decades and the displacement of people, the deaths and loss of land?

How about Japan also? These two nations lost millions of lives and with this country great shame.

How about South America?

Even North America was once colonized, there was two wars fought because of this, War of Independence and 1812, but did we see a continuation of violence or even attacks to Europeans?

The Middle East was not the only area controlled and ruled by European powers, so to use this is failing to understand the reason behind the violence.

The question you need to ask yourself is again why some Muslims are using these excuses to continue to commit violence?

Again you are making the mistake of thinking I'm excusing Islamic extremism, I'm not, far from it. But if you want to understand why North Africa and the ME is as bad as it is you must accept the part played by carving arbitrary boundaries and years of foreign occupation along with exploitation by those same occupiers.

Eilzel wrote:Again you are making the mistake of thinking I'm excusing Islamic extremism, I'm not, far from it. But if you want to understand why North Africa and the ME is as bad as it is you must accept the part played by carving arbitrary boundaries and years of foreign occupation along with exploitation by those same occupiers.  

You are excusing it, because as seen there clearly is another factor for this continued violence, which is seen throughout its history. It stems from the belief that Non-Muslims are inferior, with also their belief their religion is final, no other to come and change this and this is seen throughout its text. Again from the examples I have given you from other nations under colonial control why have we not seen anywhere near the same level of violence and for this to continue today. You can certainly understand with the countries involved at or nearer after the time of colonialism, but not to the extent today or how Muslims with no ethnic root to these countries flock in great numbers to support and engage in this violence. It clearly has much more to do with the ideologies promoted from some of the Islamic sects. I can certainly understand from where colonial rule was first thrown off, but to continue this today and play off that is nothing more than an excuse.

But there are problems in many former colonies- in Africa and the Middle East. The only colonies where few problems exist are those where the indigenous population was almost wiped out or where the population is not multi-ethic (like Singapore).

The Ottoman collapse left behind massive power vacuums which were not solved at the end of the European empires amd continued to br exasperated by western interference in the region.

Of course the religion is a problem, no doubt- but you are saying all the above is Nothing to do with today's Syria, Palestine, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Libya etc ?

Lets take your reasoning one step further to the most oppressed group of people in the history of mankind Eilzel.

Israel and Judah were conquered by the Assyrians and Babylonians respectively. Then the land was conquered by the Persians, then the Macedonians, then the Egyptians and Seleucid Empires, then the Romans to the point of two great revolts that saw hundreds of thousands killed due to a religious belief around a messiah with countless Jews displaced. We then saw the Arab invasions, followed by the Turks, followed by the Crusades where again Jews were butchered, followed by the lands taken back by an alliance of Kurds, and Turks. All this time Jews still living in the area. Many Jews all through this time being killed and discriminated against in European lands. Due to centuries of this Jews start to buy up land in what they see as their holy land We then see the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the French and British Carve up the lands. 
During this time we see further violence against the Jews encouraged by the Grand Mufti. We see 6 million be murdered by Nazi Germany.We then see the end of the Second World war and for the first time since Roman occupation we see violence from the Jews at occupation by the British with terrorism. Israel is reformed in 1948 and is immediately attacked by Arab nations. Israel wins but Jerusalem is conquered by the Jordanian Legion. They destroy all Jewish homes in the city and thousands of Jews who had been a majority in the city from way back in the beginnings of the 18th century are displaced. Across the Muslim world 800,000 Jews are kicked out of these countries for no crimes they have committed.

Explain to me why this most persecuted group of people has no continued violence to many of its former occupiers. Why are we not seeing in the US for example who certainly before the second world war and during this prevented Jews from fleeing to this land. Why are we not seeing violence throughout Europe due to the Holocaust and British rule? If you want to use excuses then surely your reasoning then must apply to any nation that has been under subjugation of which no other group of people in history have suffered as much as the Jews.

Now the Israeli's have no right to continue to build settlements, but they certainly are constantly attacked for the right to have self determination and again because many Muslims do not believe they have a right exist as a nation, yet they using your logic have been ruled for well over 2000 years by occupiers, we should see endless terrorism.

Where is the countless Jewish terrorists that just do not seem to exist in any numbers other than a few individuals committing acts of terrorism around the world?

Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

Eilzel wrote:Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

But Iraq, Iran, Saudi and all other Arab nations have lands and the Palestinians have been offered to form a nation, so there is no reason for the continued violence, if anyone should be violent due to your reasoning it should be the Jews all over the world. The Jews rightly have a land that was occupied for over 2000 years, again using your reasoning. Some Jews, where is this violence around the world? Arabs have equal rights in Israel, the problem is in the disputed territories.
I am using your reasoning which as seen has no bases when applied to other groups, the most persecuted in history being the Jews.
The reality is that just does not happen and why your reasoning falls very short in not understanding the religion and cultures of the Arabs

Eilzel wrote:Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

Great observation. All I'd add is that there is economic opportunity mixed in with all that, as well.

In fact, I think one of the biggest reasons this conflict continues is because it's become a profitable venture:

http://972mag.com/the-profitable-occupation-and-why-it-is-never-discussed/49497/

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

Great observation. All I'd add is that there is economic opportunity mixed in with all that, as well.

In fact, I think one of the biggest reasons this conflict continues is because it's become a profitable venture:

http://972mag.com/the-profitable-occupation-and-why-it-is-never-discussed/49497/

Great? It was poor.
As seen it shows the argument was weak and lacks validity.

Again why are we not seeing countless terrorism from Jews around the world based off his reasoning?

All you are doing is excusing the religion of Islam which does promote Non-Muslims as inferior with a view Muslims should control. That is what is lacking from all the views on here and why we see continued violence.

Nemesis wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

But Iraq, Iran, Saudi and all other Arab nations have lands and the Palestinians have been offered to form a nation, so there is no reason for the continued violence, if anyone should be violent due to your reasoning it should be the Jews all over the world. The Jews rightly have a land that was occupied for over 2000 years, again using your reasoning. Some Jews, where is this violence around the world? Arabs have equal rights in Israel, the problem is in the disputed territories.
I am using your reasoning which as seen has no bases when applied to other groups, the most persecuted in history being the Jews.
The reality is that just does not happen and why your reasoning falls very short in not understanding the religion and cultures of the Arabs

I've thought about this a lot, and I can only conclude that too many crimes have been committed throughout the world when it comes to land-grabbing to address any of them. Most of our early history seems to be people taking land from one another, so any claim by any group could literally be later overturned by archeological evidence which eventually hands Europe over to people with the most Neanderthal ancestry (Joking aside, anybody from Europe or Asia has some.)

That is, unless you want to stuff a couple hundred million white Americans back into Europe and give the U.S. over to the relative meager population of surviving natives; same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Israel now has its land, thanks to the US and UK mainly- and is for too busy persecuting Palestinians who are the current oldest enemy. Like some Muslims, some Jews are always pushed to violence by a mix of religion and poltitcs.

Great observation. All I'd add is that there is economic opportunity mixed in with all that, as well.

In fact, I think one of the biggest reasons this conflict continues is because it's become a profitable venture:

http://972mag.com/the-profitable-occupation-and-why-it-is-never-discussed/49497/

Great? It was poor.
As seen it shows the argument was weak and lacks validity.

Again why are we not seeing countless terrorism from Jews around the world based off his reasoning?

All you are doing is excusing the religion of Islam which does promote Non-Muslims as inferior with a view Muslims should control. That is what is lacking from all the views on here and why we see continued violence.

I'm not excusing Islamic religious beliefs -- or religious violence -- but you do see a lot of violence toward Palestinians from Israel, even though they were supposed to have their own land according to the '67 treaty.

Every religion makes one group superior to the rest of us, which is why they're all crap. That doesn't mean we pretend one is worse than the rest of them. If you do that you're looking at history with blinders on.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


But Iraq, Iran, Saudi and all other Arab nations have lands and the Palestinians have been offered to form a nation, so there is no reason for the continued violence, if anyone should be violent due to your reasoning it should be the Jews all over the world. The Jews rightly have a land that was occupied for over 2000 years, again using your reasoning. Some Jews, where is this violence around the world? Arabs have equal rights in Israel, the problem is in the disputed territories.
I am using your reasoning which as seen has no bases when applied to other groups, the most persecuted in history being the Jews.
The reality is that just does not happen and why your reasoning falls very short in not understanding the religion and cultures of the Arabs

I've thought about this a lot, and I can only conclude that too many crimes have been committed throughout the world when it comes to land-grabbing to address any of them. Most of our early history seems to be people taking land from one another, so any claim by any group could literally be later overturned by archeological evidence which eventually hands Europe over to people with the most Neanderthal ancestry (Joking aside, anybody from Europe or Asia has some.)

That is, unless you want to stuff a couple hundred million white Americans back into Europe and give the U.S. over to the relative meager population of surviving natives; same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

Which proves that it is religion driving the violence here with some Muslims, who again have no connection to the lands involved other than their religion. So your view is that for example the Palestinians should recognize that the demographics have changed in Israel and that they are there to stay then?
So the Arabs thus have no reason to moan or grumble over this.

Well done, you are starting to see the picture.

Again people need to start waking up to where the core reasoning is behind the violence which is promoted through the religion itself, where you can easily find parallels through the Islamic texts themselves. This is what happens when you have many people follow a religion with literal belief and why we saw the same with Christianity when it had power and many held it as a literal belief

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Great? It was poor.
As seen it shows the argument was weak and lacks validity.

Again why are we not seeing countless terrorism from Jews around the world based off his reasoning?

All you are doing is excusing the religion of Islam which does promote Non-Muslims as inferior with a view Muslims should control. That is what is lacking from all the views on here and why we see continued violence.

I'm not excusing Islamic religious beliefs -- or religious violence -- but you do see a lot of violence toward Palestinians from Israel, even though they were supposed to have their own land according to the '67 treaty.

Every religion makes one group superior to the rest of us, which is why they're all crap. That doesn't mean we pretend one is worse than the rest of them. If you do that you're looking at history with blinders on.

That is a very one sided look at the history of the conflict if ever I saw one.
Yes there has been violence from Israel and yes there has been violence from the Palestinians.
The Palestinians could have had a nation 3 times and 3 times they rejected this and you need to start looking at why they have refused this? Because they do not recognise Israel
Both being wrong yet again you look at it one sided.
Again how many Jews were displaced from the formation of Israel.
Just take the conquest of Jerusalem by the Jordanian legion.
They are always at their worst when they take a literal view at their texts, that is where the problem is.
That does not mean to say Muslims are inherantly violent, it just shows they can easily become violent and justfiy this by their text

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


But Iraq, Iran, Saudi and all other Arab nations have lands and the Palestinians have been offered to form a nation, so there is no reason for the continued violence, if anyone should be violent due to your reasoning it should be the Jews all over the world. The Jews rightly have a land that was occupied for over 2000 years, again using your reasoning. Some Jews, where is this violence around the world? Arabs have equal rights in Israel, the problem is in the disputed territories.
I am using your reasoning which as seen has no bases when applied to other groups, the most persecuted in history being the Jews.
The reality is that just does not happen and why your reasoning falls very short in not understanding the religion and cultures of the Arabs

I've thought about this a lot, and I can only conclude that too many crimes have been committed throughout the world when it comes to land-grabbing to address any of them. Most of our early history seems to be people taking land from one another, so any claim by any group could literally be later overturned by archeological evidence which eventually hands Europe over to people with the most Neanderthal ancestry (Joking aside, anybody from Europe or Asia has some.)

That is, unless you want to stuff a couple hundred million white Americans back into Europe and give the U.S. over to the relative meager population of surviving natives; same with Australia, Canada and New Zealand.

Which proves that it is religion driving the violence here with some Muslims, who again have no connection to the lands involved other than their religion. So your view is that for example the Palestinians should recognize that the demographics have changed in Israel and that they are there to stay then?
So the Arabs thus have no reason to moan or grumble over this.

Well done, you are starting to see the picture.

Again people need to start waking up to where the core reasoning is behind the violence which is promoted through the religion itself, where you can easily find parallels through the Islamic texts themselves. This is what happens when you have many people follow a religion with literal belief and why we saw the same with Christianity when it had power and many held it as a literal belief

Hey, I'm not one of those people who think the entire state of Israel is illegitimate. I just think the treaties drawn up provided Palestinian lands too, which the current Israeli government and its predecessors seem to think it has the right to bulldoze and take over.

At the end of the day, that's a big part of the problem in that it's too few resources for the population. Each side's convenient (to some) excuses that they're just serving God only complicate the issue.

Nemesis wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



Great? It was poor.
As seen it shows the argument was weak and lacks validity.

Again why are we not seeing countless terrorism from Jews around the world based off his reasoning?

All you are doing is excusing the religion of Islam which does promote Non-Muslims as inferior with a view Muslims should control. That is what is lacking from all the views on here and why we see continued violence.

I'm not excusing Islamic religious beliefs -- or religious violence -- but you do see a lot of violence toward Palestinians from Israel, even though they were supposed to have their own land according to the '67 treaty.

Every religion makes one group superior to the rest of us, which is why they're all crap. That doesn't mean we pretend one is worse than the rest of them. If you do that you're looking at history with blinders on.

That is a very one sided look at the history of the conflict if ever I saw one.
Yes there has been violence from Israel and yes there has been violence from the Palestinians.
The Palestinians could have had a nation 3 times and 3 times they rejected this and you need to start looking at why they have refused this? Because they do not recognise Israel
Both being wrong yet again you look at it one sided.
Again how many Jews were displaced from the formation of Israel.
Just take the conquest of Jerusalem by the Jordanian legion.
They are always at their worst when they take a literal view at their texts, that is where the problem is.
That does not mean to say Muslims are inherantly violent, it just shows they can easily become violent and justfiy this by their text

Hey-ho, go figure -- they have short-sighted, self-serving politicians running the show. Now *there's* a singular evil if I've ever seen one!

heBen_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:


Which proves that it is religion driving the violence here with some Muslims, who again have no connection to the lands involved other than their religion. So your view is that for example the Palestinians should recognize that the demographics have changed in Israel and that they are there to stay then?
So the Arabs thus have no reason to moan or grumble over this.

Well done, you are starting to see the picture.

Again people need to start waking up to where the core reasoning is behind the violence which is promoted through the religion itself, where you can easily find parallels through the Islamic texts themselves. This is what happens when you have many people follow a religion with literal belief and why we saw the same with Christianity when it had power and many held it as a literal belief

Hey, I'm not one of those people who think the entire state of Israel is illegitimate. I just think the treaties drawn up provided Palestinian lands too, which the current Israeli government and its predecessors seem to think it has the right to bulldoze and take over.

At the end of the day, that's a big part of the problem in that it's too few resources for the population. Each side's convenient (to some) excuses that they're just serving God only complicate the issue.

They did and what did the palestinians do?
Went to war, so they have no leg to stand on, they thus created all the problems because of their aggression and not recignizing the right for Israel to exist.
You seem to ignore facts, you excuse one side when I show wrong on both sides, though again this could be resolved with the Palestinian leadeship coming to terms and they have never wanted to and if anyone wants to continue the fight it is them because they do not believe Israel should exist.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Nemesis wrote:



That is a very one sided look at the history of the conflict if ever I saw one.
Yes there has been violence from Israel and yes there has been violence from the Palestinians.
The Palestinians could have had a nation 3 times and 3 times they rejected this and you need to start looking at why they have refused this? Because they do not recognise Israel
Both being wrong yet again you look at it one sided.
Again how many Jews were displaced from the formation of Israel.
Just take the conquest of Jerusalem by the Jordanian legion.
They are always at their worst when they take a literal view at their texts, that is where the problem is.
That does not mean to say Muslims are inherantly violent, it just shows they can easily become violent and justfiy this by their text

Hey-ho, go figure -- they have short-sighted, self-serving politicians running the show. Now *there's* a singular evil if I've ever seen one!

No just religion. Are people going to tell me Christians were aggreived and thus committed all the violence they did throughout history, or was it down to daft literal beliefs where again non-Christians were viewed also as inferior.
At every turn all roads lead to religion.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote: This thread is about Japan and the lack of Muslims there and subsequently the lack of Muslim terrorism.



Everywhere else where there are loads of Muslims there is loads of Muslim terrorism.

I just proved there are "loads" of Muslims here (Dallas-Fort Worth) but no Muslim terrorism here.

When you get like this you remind me of the Cowardly Lion from Wizard of Oz: "I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I *do* believe in spooks, I *do* believe in spooks, I do, I do, I do, I *do*!"

Are you seriously trying to tell me
that America has not been the target of Muslim terrorist attacks!?

Eilzel wrote:Monk, it is very unlikely that without the carve up of the Middle East and North Africa by mainly Britain and France, and the massive instability that followed the end of empire, that we would have the same problems we have today. Again, read the history, find out why situations are the way they are today.

So what is the excuse for all the Muslim aggression over the 1300 years before the Ottoman empire fell!?



You do know that The Ottoman sultan declared war on us during WW1 and lost...?



"...It is perhaps only proper to note that if Germany had won the war, the Ottoman Empire would have been expanded, subjecting many Arabs and other nationalities to its rule. And if the French and British had granted 'self-determination' to the inhabitants of this region it is possible that the result would have been the balkanisation of the area, with fragile and often antagonistic fiefdoms and kingdoms prevailing. It seems likely that, no matter how this war in the Middle East had been resolved, the region was destined to suffer instability and conflict in the years ahead..."

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Monk, it is very unlikely that without the carve up of the Middle East and North Africa by mainly Britain and France, and the massive instability that followed the end of empire, that we would have the same problems we have today. Again, read the history, find out why situations are the way they are today.

So what is the excuse for all the Muslim aggression over the 1300 years before the Ottoman empire fell!?



You do know that The Ottoman sultan declared war on us during WW1 and lost...?



"...It is perhaps only proper to note that if Germany had won the war, the Ottoman Empire would have been expanded, subjecting many Arabs and other nationalities to its rule. And if the French and British had granted 'self-determination' to the inhabitants of this region it is possible that the result would have been the balkanisation of the area, with fragile and often antagonistic fiefdoms and kingdoms prevailing. It seems likely that, no matter how this war in the Middle East had been resolved, the region was destined to suffer instability and conflict in the years ahead..."

Even if Germany won that would be an unlilkely scenario, being as this empire of the Turks had been in decline for sometime and hence why they were refered to as the "Sickman of Europe" and would have still have had to face problems within the Empire. In fact they called for a Jihad which basically fell on deaf ears.

What is all the excuse for the Christian agression, which dwarfs the Muslim aggression in nations conquered and ruled?

This shows that no matter the religion be it Christian or Islam when it is ruled as a literal belief it is imposed onto others through wars and aggression.
As how do you think both North and South America, Australia, huge parts of Africa became Christian?

Islam teaches their followers to fight non believers, force them to convert, pay extortion tax or die.



It is a 'religion' based on a brutal warmongering murdering robbing rapist and peadophile And his gang of bandits.



THeir barbarity and evil tyranny is well documented.

Tommy Monk wrote:Islam teaches their followers to fight non believers, force them to convert, pay extortion tax or die.



It is a 'religion' based on a brutal warmongering murdering robbing rapist and peadophile And his gang of bandits.



THeir barbarity and evil tyranny is well documented.

I think I will post in your style.

































Point one:  It teaches to fight if transgressed, the problems stems with how this is interpreted with transgression







































Point 2: Christians have doctrines that call for holy war, I asked you yesterday what is "Christian Just War" of which yet you have failed to answer.


























Point 3: The bible endorse rape, pillage, murder, genocide through Herem, human sacrifice, has no age of consent, endorses slavery, views all Non-belivers as inferior, calls for the death of children who disobey their parents. I could go on the list is endless. If you wish to make a comparison it is best like I said to read both religions before you enter into a debate you clearly know little about and again all the above has been used by Christians as justification to commit these acts through history.
That is the problem with religion and its texts.

Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other.

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them.

Qur’an 9:111—Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain.

Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

Qur’an 47:35—Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost.

Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”

Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

Qur’an 6:114—Shall I seek for a judge other than Allah, when He it is Who has sent down to you the Book fully explained?

Qur’an 11:1—This is a Book, whose verses have been made firm and free from imperfection and then they have been expounded in detail.



Did Jesus ever kill anyone or instruct anyone else to kill anyone?

Did Jesus ever carry out any armed robberies or wage war on anyone?



The basis of Islam is Mohammed who was a warmongering murdering robbing raping peadophile and his gang of bandits.

Tommy Monk wrote:



Qur’an 9:29—Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Qur’an 9:32—Fain would they extinguish Allah’s Light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His Light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

Qur’an 9:33—It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to prevail it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other.

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them.

Qur’an 9:111—Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain.

Qur’an 9:123—O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.

Qur’an 47:35—Be not weary and fainthearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost.

Qur’an 48:29—Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves.

Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims.”

Sunan An-Nasa’i 3099—The Prophet said: “Whoever dies without having fought or having thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy.”

Sunan Ibn Majah 2763—The Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever meets Allah with no mark on him (as a result of fighting) in His cause, he will meet Him with a deficiency.”

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922—Allah’s Messenger said, “If anyone changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.”

Qur’an 6:114—Shall I seek for a judge other than Allah, when He it is Who has sent down to you the Book fully explained?

Qur’an 11:1—This is a Book, whose verses have been made firm and free from imperfection and then they have been expounded in detail.



Did Jesus ever kill anyone or instruct anyone else to kill anyone?

Did Jesus ever carry out any armed robberies or wage war on anyone?



The basis of Islam is Mohammed who was a warmongering murdering robbing raping peadophile and his gang of bandits.

Yes I can post countless from the bible as well which sjust proves my point on both religions,. or did you not think of that.



Genesis

1. Because God liked Abel's animal sacrifice more than Cain's vegetables, Cain kills his brother Abel in a fit of religious jealousy. 4:8
   
   
2. "I will destroy ... both man and beast."
   God is angry. He decides to destroy all humans, beasts, creeping things, fowls, and "all flesh wherein there is breath of life." He plans to drown them all. 6:7, 17
   
   
3. "Every living substance that I have made will I destroy."
   God repeats his intention to kill "every living substance ... from off the face of the earth." But why does God kill all the innocent animals? What had they done to deserve his wrath? It seems God never gets his fill of tormenting animals. 7:4
   
   
4. "All flesh died that moved upon the earth."
   God drowns everything that breathes air. From newborn babies to koala bears -- all creatures great and small, the Lord God drowned them all. 7:21-23
   
   
5. God sends a plague on the Pharaoh and his household because the Pharaoh believed Abram's lie. 12:17
   
   
6. God tells Abram to kill some animals for him. The needless slaughter makes God feel better. 15:9-10
   
   
7. Hagar conceives, making Sarai jealous. Abram tells Sarai to do to Hagar whatever she wants. "And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled." 16:6
   
   
8. "I will not destroy it for ten's sake."
   I guess God couldn't find even ten good Sodomites because he decides to kill them all in Genesis 19. Too bad Abraham didn't ask God about the children. Why not save them? If Abraham could find 10 good children, toddlers, infants, or babies, would God spare the city? Apparently not. God doesn't give a damn about children. 18:32
   
   
9. Lot refuses to give up his angels to the perverted mob, offering his two "virgin daughters" instead. He tells the bunch of angel rapers to "do unto them [his daughters] as is good in your eyes." This is the same man that is called "just" and "righteous" in 2 Peter 2:7-8. 19:7-8
   
   
10. God kills everyone (men, women, children, infants, newborns) in Sodom and Gomorrah by raining "fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven." Well, almost everyone -- he spares the "just and righteous" Lot and his family. 19:24
    
    
11. Lot's nameless wife looks back, and God turns her into a pillar of salt. 19:26
    
    
12. God gets angry with king Abimelech, though the king hasn't even touched Sarah. He says to the king, "Behold, thou art but a dead man," and threatens to kill him and all of his people. To compensate for the crime he never committed, Abimelech gives Abraham sheep, oxen, slaves, silver, and land. Finally, after Abraham "prayed unto God," God lifts his punishment to Abimelech, "for the Lord had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah." 20:3-18
    
    
13. Sarah, after giving birth to Isaac, gets angry again at Hagar (see 16:5-6) and tells Abraham to 'cast out this bondwoman and her son." God commands Abraham to "hearken unto her voice." So Abraham abandons Hagar and Ishmael, casting them out into the wilderness to die. 21:10-14
    
    
14. God orders Abraham to kill Isaac as a burnt offering. Abraham shows his love for God by his willingness to murder his son. But finally, just before Isaac's throat is slit, God provides a goat to kill instead. 22:2-13
    
    
15. Abraham shows his willingness to kill his son for God. Only an evil God would ask a father to do that; only a bad father would be willing to do it. 22:10
    
    
16. "Because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son."
    Why did God love Abraham so much? Because he was willing to murder his son for him. (Greater evil hath no man than this, that he is willing to kill his own son for God.) 22:16
    
    
17. Dinah, the daughter of Jacob, is "defiled" by a man who seems to love her dearly. Her brothers trick all of the men of the town and kill them (after first having them all circumcised), and then take their wives and children captive. 34:1-31
    
    
18. "The terror of God was upon the cities that were round about them." 35:5
    
    
19. "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him." What did Er do to elicit God's wrath? The Bible doesn't say. Maybe he picked up some sticks on Saturday. 38:7
    
    
20. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto they brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of both masturbation and birth control. 38:8-10
    
    
21. After Judah pays Tamar for her services, he is told that she "played the harlot" and "is with child by whoredom." When Judah hears this, he says, "Bring her forth, and let her be burnt." 38:24
    
    
22. Joseph interprets the baker's dream. He says that the pharaoh will cut off the baker's head, and hang his headless body on a tree for the birds to eat. 40:19
    
    
23. God brought a seven year, "very grievous" famine on the whole earth for no apparent reason (except maybe to make Joseph wealthy). 41:25-32, 54
    Exodus
    
    
24. Moses murders an Egyptian after making sure that no one is looking. 2:11-12
    
    
25. "I will ... smite Egypt with all my wonders." 3:20
    
    
26. God threatens to kill the Pharaoh's firstborn son. 4:23
    
    
27. God decides to kill Moses because his son had not yet been circumcised. 4:24-26
    
    
28. Moses and Aaron ask the Pharaoh to let all the Israelites go into the desert to pray for three days, or else God will kill them all "with pestilence, or with the sword." 5:3
    
    
29. "Now shalt thou see what I will do to Pharaoh." 6:1
    
    
30. God will make sure that Pharaoh does not listen to Moses, so that he can kill Egyptians with his armies. 7:4
    
    
31. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD." Who else could be so cruel and unjust? 7:5, 17
    
    
32. God tells Moses and Aaron to smite the river and turn it into blood. This is the first of the famous 10 plagues of Egypt. 7:17-24
    
    
33. The fifth plague: all cattle in Egypt die.
    But a little later (9:19-20, 12:29), God kills them again a couple more times. 9:6
    
    
34. The sixth plague: boils and blains upon man and beast. 9:9-12
    
    
35. "For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth." Who else but the biblical god could be so cruel? 9:14
    
    
36. God gave power to the Pharaoh so that he could show off his own power by killing him. 9:15-16
    
    
37. The seventh plague is hail. "And the hail smote throughout the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast." 9:22-25
    
    
38. God wants to be remembered forever for the mass murder of little children. 10:2
    
    
39. These verses clearly show that the mass murder of innocent children by God was premeditated. (see 12:29-30) 11:4-6
    
    
40. God will kill the Egyptian children to show that he puts "a difference between the Egyptians and Israel." 11:7
    
    
41. God explains to Moses that he intends to "smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast. 12:12
    
    
42. After God has sufficiently hardened the Pharaoh's heart, he kills all the firstborn Egyptian children. When he was finished "there was not a house where there was not one dead." Finally, he runs out of little babies to kill, so he slaughters the firstborn cattle, too. 12:29
    
    
43. To commemorate the divine massacre of the Egyptian children, Moses instructs the Israelites to "sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the matrix" -- all the males, that is. God has no use for dead, burnt female bodies. 13:2, 12, 15
    
    
44. "I will harden Pharaoh's heart." 14:4
    
    
45. After hardening Pharaoh's heart a few more times, God drowns Pharaoh's army in the sea. 14:4-28
    
    
46. The LORD shall fight for you. 14:14
    
    
47. "I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour." 14:17
    
    
48. "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD, when I have gotten me honour upon Pharaoh, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen." 14:18
    
    
49. "And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand over the sea, that the waters may come again upon the Egyptians." 14:26
    
    
50. "And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians." 14:31
    
    
51. Moses and the people sing praises to their murderous god. 15:1-19
    
    
52. "The Lord is a man of war." Indeed, judging from his acts in the Old Testament, he is a vicious warlike monster. 15:3
    
    
53. God's right hand dashes people in pieces. 15:6
    
    
54. "For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the LORD brought again the waters of the sea upon them." 15:19
    
    
55. "Horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea." 15:21
    
    
56. If you do what God says, he won't send his diseases on you (like he did to the Egyptians). But otherwise.... 15:26
    
    
57. Joshua, with God's approval, kills the Amalekites "with the edge of the sword." 17:13
    
    
58. "I will utterly put out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven." 17:14
    
    
59. "The Lord has sworn [God swears!] that the Lord will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." So God is still fighting Amalek. I hope Moses can still keep his hand up. 17:14-16
    
    
60. Any person or animal that touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death or "shot through." Did Moses impose such severe penalties because he feared that someone might see him fake his meeting with God? 19:12-13
    
    
61. Like the great and powerful Wizard of Oz, nobody can see God and live. 19:21
    
    
62. God gives instructions for killing and burning animals. He says that if we will make such "burnt offerings," he will bless us for it. What kind of mind would be pleased by the killing and burning of innocent animals? 20:24
    
    
63. A child who hits or curses his parents must be executed. 21:15, 17
    
    
64. It's okay to beat your slaves; even if they die you won't be punished, just as long as they survive a day or two after the beating (see verses 21:20-21). But avoid excessive damage to their eyes or teeth. Otherwise you may have to set them free. 21:26-27
    
    
65. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. 21:24-25
    
    
66. If an ox gores someone, "then the ox shall surely be stoned." 21:28
    
    
67. If an ox gores someone due to the negligence of its owner, then "the ox shall be stoned, and his owner shall be put to death.". 21:29
    
    
68. If an ox gores a slave, the owner of the ox must pay the owner of the slave 30 shekels of silver, and "the ox shall be stoned." 21:32
    
    
69. "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." Thousands of innocent women have suffered excruciating deaths because of this verse. 22:18
    
    
70. "Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death." Is it really necessary to kill such people? Couldn't we just send them to counseling or something? 22:19
    
    
71. "He who sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed." If this commandment is obeyed, then the four billion people who do not believe in the biblical god must be killed. 22:20
    
    
72. If you make God angry enough, he will kill you and your family with his own sword. 22:24
    
    
73. "The firstborn of thy sons thou shalt give unto me." (As a burnt offering?) 22:29
    
    
74. God promises to "send his fear before the Israelites" and to kill everyone that they encounter when they enter the promised land. 23:27
    
    
75. God has hornets that bite and kill people. 23:28
    
    
76. Moses has some animals killed and their dead bodies burned for God. Then he sprinkles their blood on the altar and on the people. This makes God happy. 24:5-8
    
    
77. Get some animals, kill them, chop up their bodies, wave body parts in the air, burn the carcasses, and sprinkle the blood all around -- in precisely the way God tells you. It may well make you sick, but it makes God feel good. 29:11-37
    
    
78. Have your killed and offered your bullock for a sin offering today? How about the two lambs you are supposed to offer each day? 29:36-39
    
    
79. Wash up or die. This is a good verse to use when reminding the kiddies to wash their hands before supper. 30:20
    
    
80. Whoever puts holy oil on a stranger shall be "cut off from his people." 30:33
    
    
81. Those who break the Sabbath are to be executed. 31:14
    
    
82. God asks to be left alone so that his "wrath may wax hot" and he can "consume them. 32:10
    
    
83. Moses burned the golden calf, ground it into powder, and then forced it down the throats of all the people. 32:20
    
    
84. God orders the sons of Levi (Moses, Aaron, and the other members of their tribe that were "on the Lord's side") to kill "every man his neighbor." "And there fell of the people that day about 3000 men." 32:27-28
    
    
85. "Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book." 32:33
    
    
86. But God wasn't satisfied with the slaughter of the 3000, so he killed some more people with a plague. 32:35
    
    
87. If you can't redeem him, then just "break his neck." Hey, it's all for the glory of God. 34:20
    
    
88. Whoever works, or even kindles a fire, on the Sabbath "shall be put to death." 35:2-3
    Leviticus
    
    
89. God gives detailed instructions for performing ritualistic animal sacrifices. such bloody rituals must be important to God, judging from the number of times that he repeats their instructions. Indeed the entire first nine chapters of Leviticus can be summarized as follows: Get an animal, kill it, sprinkle the blood around, cut the dead animal into pieces, and burn it for a "sweet savor unto the Lord." Chapters 1 - 9
    
    
90. "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar." 1:5
    
    
91. "Flay the burnt offering; cut it into pieces." 1:6
    
    
92. Lay ... the head, and the fat ... on the fire which is upon the altar: But his inwards and his legs ... burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice ... a sweet savour unto the LORD." 1:8-9
    
    
93. "Kill ... before the Lord and ... sprinkle blood round about." 1:11
    
    
94. "Cut it into his pieces, with his head and his fat ... and burn it ... for a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:12-13
    
    
95. "If the burnt sacrifice ... be of fowls ... wring off his head, and burn it ... and the blood thereof shall be wrung out." 1:14-15
    
    
96. "For a sweet savour unto the Lord." 1:17
    
    
97. "Part it in pieces... it is a meat offering." 2:6
    
    
98. "It is a thing most holy of the offerings of the LORD made by fire." 2:10
    
    
99. "He shall lay his hand upon the head of his offering, and kill it ... and .... sprinkle the blood ... round about." 3:2
    

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Again Jesus is seen as God and thus is seen to order and commit violence, because Christians believe Jesus is god made flesh

Jesus comments many of the previous Prophets who commit come of the worst genocide, all of which he would command as God.


You cannot seperate Jesus from God, even if you viewed him as the Son of God , you still have the issue of his father who commits all this violence, so at every turn you need to study theology.


Again in b oth religions verses have been used throughout history to commit violence, which you have not disproved, claiming what you believe about Jesus ignores what Christians have believed and still do even more so when they hold literal beliefs.


Again The violent verses and Jihad are very appalling from the Quran but again they do stem from transgressions, which again proves you have never read the Quran
I am not even denying violence from islam and showing it is just as bad, though you are a Christian apologist as bad as a islamic apologist



This is why you need to either go to Sunday school and learn some religion or attend a real school.




So next what is "Herem" and Christian Just War"?

Oh and just for your education, New testament verses:

1. Matthew
   
   
2. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12
   
   
3. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17
   
   
4. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30
   
   
5. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14
   
   
6. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19
   
   
7. "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12
   
   
8. Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21
   
   
9. Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32
   
   
10. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen 19:24). 10:14-15
    
    
11. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21
    
    
12. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28
    
    
13. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36
    
    
14. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
    
    
15. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50
    
    
16. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7
    
    
17. "Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up." 15:13
    
    
18. Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9
    
    
19. In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35
    
    
20. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34
    
    
21. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and rents the vineyard to others. 21:33-41
    
    
22. "Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44
    
    
23. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:1-14
    
    
24. The end of the world will be signaled by wars, famines, disease, and earthquakes (6-7). And that's just "the beginning of sorrows" (. Next believers will be hated and killed by unbelievers (9), believers will hate and betray each other (10), false prophets will fool people (11), iniquity will abound and love wax cold (12). But hey, if you make through all that, you'll be saved (13).
    Only one more thing will happen before the end comes: the gospel will be preached throughout the world (14). Well, that and the abomination of desolations will stand in the holy place (15), many false Christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders (24), the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars will fall (29), the sign of the son of Man will appear in the sky, everyone on earth will mourn, and then, finally, the great and powerful son of Man will come in all his glory (30).
    Oh, and all these things will happen within the lifespan of Jesus' contemporaries (34).
    Or maybe not. Jesus was talking about things he knew nothing about (36). (See Mark 13:32.) 24:3-51
    
    
25. Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37
    
    
26. God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51
    
    
27. The parable of the cruel and unjust master
    The kingdom of heaven is like a rich man who distributed his wealth to his servants while he traveled. He gave five talents (a talent was a unit of money, worth about 20 years of a worker's wages) to one servant, two to another, and one to a third. When he returned, the servant with five talents had made five more, the servant with two made two more, but the servant with one talent only had the talent his master entrusted to him. The master rewarded the servants that invested his money (without his permission -- what would have happened if the stock market went down during their master's travels?) and took the talent from the single-talent servant and gave it to the one with ten talents. "For unto every one that hath shall be given .. but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath." Then the cruel and unjust master cast the servant who carefully protected his master's talent into the "outer darkness: [where] there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:14-30
    
    
28. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30
    
    
29. Jesus judges the nations. 25:31-46
    
    
30. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41
    
    
31. Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46
    Mark
    
    
32. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12
    
    
33. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13
    
    
34. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11
    
    
35. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex 21:15, Lev 20:9, Dt 21:18-21) 7:9-10
    
    
36. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49
    
    
37. God is like a rich man who owns a vineyard and rents it to poor farmers. When he sends servants to collect the rent, the tenants beat or kill them. So he sent his son to collect the rent, and they kill him too. Then the owner comes and kills the farmers and gives the vineyard to others. 12:1-9
    
    
38. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 14:22-24
    
    
39. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
    
    
    Luke
    
    
40. Zechariah asks the angel Gabriel how his wife Elizabeth could become pregnant, since she is "stricken with years." Gabriel makes him "dumb" just for asking. 1:20
    
    
41. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9
    
    
42. John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17
    
    
43. Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37
    
    
44. Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15
    
    
45. Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5
    
    
46. Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47
    
    
47. "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." 13:3, 5
    
    
48. According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30
    
    
49. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31
    
    
50. Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27
    
    
51. Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32
    
    
52. In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
    
    
53. Jesus tells his disciples to eat his body and drink his blood. 22:19-20
    John
    
    
54. Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of food and water. Then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14
    
    
55. "God so loved the world, that he gave his His only begotten Son."
    As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16
    
    
56. People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36
    
    
57. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36
    
    
58. Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14
    
    
59. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6
    
    
60. Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." (They are called Protestants nowadays.) 6:53-66
    Acts
    
    
61. Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
    
    
62. Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10
    
    
63. Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13
    
    
64. Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-10
    
    
65. The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23
    
    
66. David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22
    
    
67. The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam 12:31 and 1 Chr 20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
    
    
68. Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11
    Romans
    
    
69. Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children. 1:31-32
    
    
70. The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9
    
    
71. God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12
    
    
72. "If ... we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son", then God is truly a monster. 5:10
    
    
    1 Corinthians
    
    
73. If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you.   3:17
    
    
74. Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8
    
    
75. If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9
    
    
76. If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10
    2 Corinthians
    
    
77. The terror of the Lord 5:11
    Galatians
    
    
78. If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9
    Ephesians
    
    
79. We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11
    
    
80. God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7
    
    
81. The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2
    
    
82. Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
    
    
    
    Colossians
    
    
83. God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14
    
    
84. God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20
    1 Thessalonians
    
    
85. God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10
    
    
86. Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (because they're going to hell). 4:13
    2 Thessalonians
    
    
87. Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9
    
    
88. Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8
    
    
89. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Hebrews
    
    
90. "That which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned."
    Apostates will burn in hell with the other non-believers. 6:8
    
    
91. "Melchisedec ... met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him."
    God showed his approval of "the slaughter of the kings" with Melchisedec's blessing of Abraham. (Genesis 14:17-18) 7:1
    
    
92. God will not forgive anyone unless something is killed for him in a bloody manner. 9:13-22
    
    
93. "A certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
    God will soon destroy non-believers in a fiery hell. 10:27
    
    
94. Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29
    
    
95. "Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord." 10:30
    
    
96. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." 10:31
    
    
97. "Abraham ... offered up Isaac ... his only begotten son." (And this was a good thing? How fucked up is that?) 11:17
    
    
98. The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28
    
    
99. God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
    
    
100. "Time would fail me to tell of Gideon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthah; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets."
     The heroes of faith: Gideon, Samson, Jephthah, David, and Samuel. It would be hard to find a more monstrous group than these guys. 11:32
     
     
101. "Others were tortured ... that they might obtain a better resurrection." 11:35
     
     
102. God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain." 12:20
     
     
103. "Ye are come ... to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things that that of Abel." 12:22-24
     
     
     James
     
     
104. James says Abraham was justified by works (for being willing to kill his son for God); Paul (Romans 4:2-3) says he was justified by faith (for believing that God would order him to do such an evil act). 2:21
     1 Peter
     
     
105. We are all, according to Peter, predestined to be saved or damned. We have no say in the matter. It was all determined by "the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ."1:2
     
     
106. "The precious blood of Christ ... was foreordained before the foundation of the world."
     God planned to kill Jesus from the get-go. 1:19-20
     
     
107. God drowned everyone on earth except for Noah and his family. 3:20
     2 Peter
     
     
108. God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6
     
     
109. "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6
     
     
110. God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
     
     
111. When Jesus returns, he'll burn up the whole earth and everything on it. 3:10
     1 John
     
     
112. Christians are washed in the blood of Jesus. 1:7
     
     
     Jude
     
     
113. "The Lord destroyed them that believed not." 5
     
     
114. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
     Revelation
     
     
115. Jesus "washed us ... with his own blood." 1:5
     
     
116. Everyone on earth will wail because of Jesus. 1:7
     
     
117. Jesus has "the keys of hell and death." 1:18
     
     
118. Repent -- or else Jesus will fight you with the sword that sticks out of his mouth. (Like the limbless knight in Monty Python's "Holy Grail.") 2:16
     
     
119. "I [Jesus] will kill her children with death." 2:23
     
     
120. "Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." God created parasites, pathogens, and predators for his very own pleasure. One of his favorite species is guinea worms. 4:11
     
     
121. "Thou art worthy ... for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood." 5:9
     
     
122. God gives someone on a white horse a bow and sends him out to conquer people. 6:2
     
     
123. God gave power to someone on a red horse "to take from the earth ... that they should kill one another." 6:4
     
     
124. God tells Death and Hell to kill one quarter of the earth's population with the sword, starvation, and "with the beasts of the earth." 6:8
     
     
125. The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11
     
     
126. God tells his murderous angels to "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of your God on their foreheads." This verse is one that Christians like to use to show God's loving concern for the environment. But the previous verse (7:2) makes it clear that it was their God-given job to "hurt the earth and the sea" just as soon as they finished their forehead marking job. 7:3
     
     
127. 144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4
     
     
128. Those that survive the great tribulation will get to wash their clothes in the blood of the lamb. 7:14
     
     
129. God sends his angels to destroy a third part of all the trees, grass, sea creature, mountains, sun, moon, starts, and water. 8:7-13
     
     
130. "Many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter." 8:11
     
     
131. The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6
     
     
132. God makes some horse-like locusts with human heads, women's hair, lion's teeth, and scorpion's tails. They sting people and hurt them for five months. 9:7-10
     
     
133. Four angels, with an army of 200 million, killed a third of the earth's population. 9:15-19
     
     
134. Anyone that messes with God's two olive trees and two candlesticks (God's witnesses) will be burned to death by fire that comes out of their mouths. 11:3-5
     
     
135. God's witnesses have special powers. They can shut up heaven so that it cannot rain, turn rivers into blood, and smite the earth with plagues "as often as they will." 11:6
     
     
136. After God's witnesses "have finished their testimony," they are  killed in a war with a beast from a bottomless pit. 11:7
     
     
137. The bodies of God's witnesses will lie unburied for three and a half days. People will "rejoice over them and make merry, and shall send gifts to one another." After another three and half days God brings his witnesses back to life and they ascend into heaven. 11:8-12
     
     
138. When the witnesses ascend into heaven, an earthquake kills 7000 men. This was the second woe. "The third woe cometh quickly." 11:13-14
     
     
139. "The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
     God planned to kill Jesus before he created the world. 13:8
     
     
140. Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11
     
     
141. Jesus sits on a white cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand. When the angel tells him to reap, he kills all the people with his sickle. 14:14-18
     
     
142. "The great winepress of the wrath of God ... was trodden ... and the blood cam out of the winepress, even unto the horses bridles." 14:19-20
     
     
143. Seven angels with seven plagues are filled with the wrath of God. 15:1, 7
     
     
144. The seven vials of wrath: 1) sores, 2) sea turned to blood, 3) rivers turned to blood, 4) people scorched with fire, 5) people gnaw their tongues in pain, 6) Euphrates dries up, 7) thunder, lightning, earthquake, and hail. 16:1
     
     
145. "There fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast." 16:2
     
     
146. "The second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea." 16:3
     
     
147. "The third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood." 16:4
     
     
148. God gave the saints and prophets blood to drink. 16:6
     
     
149. Another angel tells God how righteous he is because he gives saints blood to drink. 16:7
     
     
150. "Power was given unto him [the fourth angel] to scorch men with fire." 16:8
     
     
151. Those who were being burned to death by God didn't repent "to give him glory." 16:9
     
     
152. "The fifth angel poured out his vial ... and they gnawed their tongues for pain." 16:10
     
     
153. Even after being burned alive, those nasty people wouldn't repent! 16:11
     
     
154. Christians will fight in the war between Jesus and those allied with the beast. 17:14
     
     
155. "They shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire." (Are they going to eat her first and then burn her?) 17:16-17
     
     
156. To punish her God will send plagues and famine, and "she will be utterly burned with fire." 18:8
     
     
157. God will send plagues, death, and famine on Babylon, and the kings "who have committed fornication with her" will be sad to see her burn. 18:8-9
     
     
158. Jesus makes war. 19:11
     
     
159. Jesus' clothes are dipped in blood and his secret name ("that no man knew") is "The Word of God". (I bet you thought it was Jesus!) 19:13
     
     
160. With eyes aflame, many crowns on his head, clothes dripping with blood, a sword sticking out of his mouth, and a secret name, Jesus leads the faithful in heaven into holy war on earth. 19:14-15
     
     
161. "Come ... unto the supper of the great God." An angel calls all the fowls to feast upon the flesh of dead horses and human bodies, "both free and bond, both small and great." 19:17-18
     
     
162. The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest were killed with the sword of Jesus. "And all the fowls were filled with their flesh." 19:20-21
     
     
163. God will send fire from heaven to devour people. And the devil will be tormented "day and night for ever and ever." 20:9-10
     
     
164. Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15
     
     
165. All liars, as well as those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8
     

Did Jesus ever kill anyone or instruct anyone else to kill anyone?

Did Jesus ever carry out any armed robberies or wage war on anyone?



The basis of Islam is Mohammed who was a warmongering murdering robbing raping peadophile and his gang of bandits.

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Did Jesus ever kill anyone or instruct anyone else to kill anyone?

Did Jesus ever carry out any armed robberies or wage war on anyone?



The basis of Islam is Mohammed who was a warmongering murdering robbing raping peadophile and his gang of bandits.

Point 1) yes because Christians believe he is God

Point 2) Yes, because Christians believe he is God

I suggest you study religion


The bases of your knowledge should be mocked for how really poor and bad that it is.


Now again


So next what is "Herem" and Christian Just War"?

Jesus never killed anyone or instructed anyone to kill anyone.


Jesus never did any armed robberies or waged war on anyone.


He healed the sick, Fed the poor raised the dead and countless other miracles.



While the basis of Islam is Mohammed, who was a warmongering murdering robbing raping peadophile, and his gang of bandits who caused death and destruction wherever they went.