Why hire foreigners? They just work harder

Brasidas wrote:The research from the National Institute for Economic and Social Research found that recruiting skilled foreigners allows companies to become more efficient and expand their businesses. The economists’ findings follow a Government-backed study this week showing that foreigners are filling a fifth of jobs in key industries such as engineering because of a lack of skills in Britain. The study may fuel the debate about whether British workers have the skills and work ethic needed to compete with foreign counterparts in an increasingly international labour market. The researchers studied official figures on employment and concluded that foreign workers employed in Britain are on average better-educated and work longer hours than British recruits.
Hiring foreign workers can make companies more productive, the study suggested. Recruiting from outside the UK has “allowed employers to fill skilled and specialist roles and enabled some organisations to expand”, the researchers said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10426473/Why-hire-foreigners-They-just-work-harder.html

Ben_Reilly wrote:Capitalism has always been set up so that a larger, less-skilled base of lower-paid workers are put in place under a smaller group of higher-skilled workers -- those who conceive of the product/service, who market it, who manage income and expenses, who manage and train workers, etc. Businesses are naturally tiered from highest skill down to no special skills, and because of that not everyone can find a job as an engineer, marketing executive, accountant, supervisor, etc.

The big change in the world has been companies figuring out how to cut costs even more by hiring workers with no protection wherever they can find them in the world, thus undermining the strides made by the labor movements in their own countries. Outsourcing literally pulls the floor out from beneath all other workers.

darknessss wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Capitalism has always been set up so that a larger, less-skilled base of lower-paid workers are put in place under a smaller group of higher-skilled workers -- those who conceive of the product/service, who market it, who manage income and expenses, who manage and train workers, etc. Businesses are naturally tiered from highest skill down to no special skills, and because of that not everyone can find a job as an engineer, marketing executive, accountant, supervisor, etc.

The big change in the world has been companies figuring out how to cut costs even more by hiring workers with no protection wherever they can find them in the world, thus undermining the strides made by the labor movements in their own countries. Outsourcing literally pulls the floor out from beneath all other workers.

YUP and the L/W have happily gone along with that, by reducing the "education system" to nothing more than a free baby sitting service

there are HIGHER levels if illiteracy amongst the young today than there was 50 years ago
lower levels of numeracy
kids cant reckon even  their bus fare up in their tiny heads, stuffed full of stupid soaps and jeremy kyle
the level and depth of knowlege of the basic sciences of todays "gcse" pupils is abysmal
the practical engineering skills are none existant
the home economics skills (which are vital ) are none existant
and they are paralysed without their all singing all dancing smart phone

and STILL the real worls dictates that (regularly) you are going to be in a situation where you will need to calculate without a calculator

that "someone" ISNT going to be on the end of a phone call to dig your pathetic ass out of the shit

where a SOLID foundation in BASICS i.e good maths skills, knowing your times tables and number bonds
and indeed a reasonable working knowlege of how things were done BEFORE computers etc

will save you time, money

and get you shed loads of "brownie points" with your employer......

and ....


YES most of the above CAN be laid at the door of the L/W

darknessss wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Capitalism has always been set up so that a larger, less-skilled base of lower-paid workers are put in place under a smaller group of higher-skilled workers -- those who conceive of the product/service, who market it, who manage income and expenses, who manage and train workers, etc. Businesses are naturally tiered from highest skill down to no special skills, and because of that not everyone can find a job as an engineer, marketing executive, accountant, supervisor, etc.

The big change in the world has been companies figuring out how to cut costs even more by hiring workers with no protection wherever they can find them in the world, thus undermining the strides made by the labor movements in their own countries. Outsourcing literally pulls the floor out from beneath all other workers.

YUP and the L/W have happily gone along with that, by reducing the "education system" to nothing more than a free baby sitting service

there are HIGHER levels if illiteracy amongst the young today than there was 50 years ago
lower levels of numeracy
kids cant reckon even  their bus fare up in their tiny heads, stuffed full of stupid soaps and jeremy kyle
the level and depth of knowlege of the basic sciences of todays "gcse" pupils is abysmal
the practical engineering skills are none existant
the home economics skills (which are vital ) are none existant
and they are paralysed without their all singing all dancing smart phone

and STILL the real worls dictates that (regularly) you are going to be in a situation where you will need to calculate without a calculator

that "someone" ISNT going to be on the end of a phone call to dig your pathetic ass out of the shit

where a SOLID foundation in BASICS i.e good maths skills, knowing your times tables and number bonds
and indeed a reasonable working knowlege of how things were done BEFORE computers etc

will save you time, money

and get you shed loads of "brownie points" with your employer......

and ....


YES most of the above CAN be laid at the door of the L/W

Many more children reach the expected level for their age in literacy than in 1997, before the introduction of the National Literacy Strategy. The key indicator, the percentage of pupils reaching level four (the level expected for their age) in national tests for English (reading and writing) at age 11, has increased from 63 per cent to 80 per cent in this time. In the mid-1990s just half of children reached the level expected for their age. Current literacy levels also represent a significant improvement in children's skills since the mid-20th century, since targets apply to all children, of all abilities and social classes, including those who speak English as an additional language.

The most significant gains were made between 1998-2009, the years immediately following the introduction of the National Literacy Strategy. The 1999 result of 70 per cent was an increase of 10 percentage points on the previous year and the 2000 result increased this again by a further five percentage points. Between 2000-09 results for eleven year olds in England have risen, but at a more gradual rate. 86 per cent of eleven year olds now reach the level expected of them in reading, up from 80 per cent at the start of the decade. The corresponding figures for writing are lower, but also show improvement, 67 per cent of 11 year olds now reach the level expected of them.

Brasidas wrote:Sorry Victor but being as you do not work for many big companiess then you are going off your own perception.
The fact is there is a poor work ethic among some Brits and this is seen in countless companies and why foreigners are employed because they do have a good work ethic.

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Sorry Victor but being as you do not work for many big companiess then you are going off your own perception.
The fact is there is a poor work ethic among some Brits and this is seen in countless companies and why foreigners are employed because they do have a good work ethic.

shurrup Didge    ...I'm having fun at the expense of the whinging Aussie (you know the one, the whineing L/W whos view is everything thats bad that is happening to him is anyone elses fault but his, the one from the generation that expects everything to be provided, rather than be struggled for)

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Poorly skilled, lack diligence and don't know how to fill in a simple application form.

And that's people in this country, who believe the country owes them a job.

That's why I prefer employees from the EU.

But don't tell anyone. I have to pretend to be impartial.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Poorly skilled, lack diligence and don't know how to fill in a simple application form.

And that's people in this country, who believe the country owes them a job.

That's why I prefer employees from the EU.

But don't tell anyone. I have to pretend to be impartial.

Which makes you then poorly biased towards British applicants before you have even interviewed them. You thus hold a poor stereotype.
Yeah I would not tell anyone, if I was you.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



Which makes you then poorly biased towards British applicants before you have even interviewed them. You thus hold a poor stereotype.
Yeah I would not tell anyone, if I was you.

You are a prime example of a poor applicant. Read what I said again.

If the application is so poor, why should I grant them an interview for a job to nurse the vulnerable. Imagine how they would treat the care plans.

So I'm quite happy to tell anyone. You're so angry with me that you couldn't tell I was joking to get a rise from the extreme RW. Shame you fell for it.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You are a prime example of a poor applicant. Read what I said again.

If the application is so poor, why should I grant them an interview for a job to nurse the vulnerable. Imagine how they would treat the care plans.

So I'm quite happy to tell anyone. You're so angry with me that you couldn't tell I was joking to get a rise from the extreme RW. Shame you fell for it.

What if they are dyslexic?
Do you accommodate for this, or are you thus biased against them?
So again how to you provide a fair view here?
Nothing to do with your ignorance but your bias.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



What if they are dyslexic?
Do you accommodate for this, or are you thus biased against them?
So again how to you provide a fair view here?
Nothing to do with your ignorance but your bias.

They can specify any disabilities on the application form or any other way.

You still have to be able to do the job.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

They can specify any disabilities on the application form or any other way.

You still have to be able to do the job.

But a person can have poor English skills, but have great caring skills, of which surely the later is the  most important.
By the way your joke would fall very flat on here being as there is no real far right supporters on here anymore, unless you count shady of course?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


But a person can have poor English skills, but have great caring skills, of which surely the later is the  most important.
By the way your joke would fall very flat on here being as there is no real far right supporters on here anymore, unless you count shady of course?

Don't fall flat with you. So maybe it's Shady and you now.

You've gone from dyslexia (a recognised disability) to 'poor English skills'. Lol! I expect better English from the English. When they're at the level of an EU migrant, guess who I prefer? And at least the non-English are actually willing to go to evening classes to improve their English.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Don't fall flat with you. So maybe it's Shady and you now.

You've gone from dyslexia (a recognised disability) to 'poor English skills'. Lol! I expect better English from the English. When they're at the level of an EU migrant, guess who I prefer? And at least the non-English are actually willing to go to evening classes to improve their English.

lol you think I am far right?
Which proves your ignorance on politics ha ha ha.
So written English is key then to caring for people then.
How absurd can you get.
You have a very biased and poor opinion of people, which is very poor to say the least

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


lol you think I am far right?
Which proves your ignorance on politics ha ha ha.
So written English is key then to caring for people then.
How absurd can you get.
You have a very biased and poor opinion of people, which is very poor to say the least

I said 'maybe'. Again your need to read more carefully.

And yes, care plans (and therefore English skills) are the most important part of the nursing job. You cannot care effectively without a plan.

Just ask any nurse. Lol!

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I said 'maybe'. Again your need to read more carefully.

And yes, care plans (and therefore English skills) are the most important part of the nursing job. You cannot care effectively without a plan.

Just ask any nurse. Lol!

So therefore people with dyslexia are then discriminated after all by you then based on English skills.
You are saying you have to be able to read to learn caring skills?
We are talking about carers here, not nurses.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


So therefore people with dyslexia are then discriminated after all by you then based on English skills.
You are saying you have to be able to read to learn caring skills?
We are talking about carers here, not nurses.

Cares and nurses have to follow and update a care plan. They must have the skills to do their job. Otherwise do you suggest I hire nurses/carers with a physical disability, such as a lack of use of a limb? They would be a danger to themselves and others.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Cares and nurses have to follow and update a care plan. They must have the skills to do their job. Otherwise do you suggest I hire nurses/carers with a physical disability, such as a lack of use of a limb? They would be a danger to themselves and others.

So you discriminate against people with disabilities now also, it gets worse than I thought.
So again are you saying a person with dyslexia, cannot learn caring skills and that you are allowed to be prejudiced against them?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


So you discriminate against people with disabilities now also, it gets worse than I thought.
So again are you saying a person with dyslexia, cannot learn caring skills and that you are allowed to be prejudiced against them?

Do you want me to hire a nurse/carer who couldn't manually handle your parent safely?

It seems you are ignorant about the nature of the job.

Calm down buddy. I don't know why you're cranky all the time.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Do you want me to hire a nurse/carer who couldn't manually handle your parent safely?

It seems you are ignorant about the nature of the job.

Calm down buddy. I don't know why you're cranky all the time.

I am calm it is you losing the plot. Its boring when you try this same lame tactic.
So again I will ask the simple question:
So again are you saying a person with dyslexia, cannot learn caring skills and that you are allowed to be prejudiced against them?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


I am calm it is you losing the plot. Its boring when you try this same lame tactic.
So again I will ask the simple question:
So again are you saying a person with dyslexia, cannot learn caring skills and that you are allowed to be prejudiced against them?

How would you define caring skills? Give me a list.

Do you not think a care plan is an important part of that?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


But a person can have poor English skills, but have great caring skills, of which surely the later is the  most important.
By the way your joke would fall very flat on here being as there is no real far right supporters on here anymore, unless you count shady of course?

Don't fall flat with you. So maybe it's Shady and you now.

You've gone from dyslexia (a recognised disability) to 'poor English skills'. Lol! I expect better English from the English. When they're at the level of an EU migrant, guess who I prefer? And at least the non-English are actually willing to go to evening classes to improve their English.

Shady wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Don't fall flat with you. So maybe it's Shady and you now.

You've gone from dyslexia (a recognised disability) to 'poor English skills'. Lol! I expect better English from the English. When they're at the level of an EU migrant, guess who I prefer? And at least the non-English are actually willing to go to evening classes to improve their English.

The political strengths & assets that I posses are both left-centre-& right wing.Additionally,I do not suffer from tunnel vision like many of you.

Most of you on this site need to broaden your mental & political horizons.......& accept that other people have points of view as well.

Honestly,trying to debate with some of you is like trying to debate with the dead.

Brasidas wrote:

Shady wrote:

The political strengths & assets that I posses are both left-centre-& right wing.Additionally,I do not suffer from tunnel vision like many of you.

Most of you on this site need to broaden your mental & political horizons.......& accept that other people have points of view as well.

Honestly,trying to debate with some of you is like trying to debate with the dead.

All very subjective to how posters on here are like.
Maybe some of us just know you all too well and that what you most enjoy is winding people up.

Shady wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



All very subjective to how posters on here are like.
Maybe some of us just know you all too well and that what you most enjoy is winding people up.

You remind me of that poor idiot Didge on Inaflap.

Time to put you on ignore.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Poorly skilled, lack diligence and don't know how to fill in a simple application form.

And that's people in this country, who believe the country owes them a job.

That's why I prefer employees from the EU.

But don't tell anyone. I have to pretend to be impartial.

Which makes you then poorly biased towards British applicants before you have even interviewed them. You thus hold a poor stereotype.
Yeah I would not tell anyone, if I was you.

You are a prime example of a poor applicant. Read what I said again.

If the application is so poor, why should I grant them an interview for a job to nurse the vulnerable. Imagine how they would treat the care plans.

So I'm quite happy to tell anyone. You're so angry with me that you couldn't tell I was joking to get a rise from the extreme RW. Shame you fell for it.

Brasidas wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

How would you define caring skills? Give me a list.

Do you not think a care plan is an important part of that?

Seems you cannot answer a simple question.
Do you know there is nurses that have dyslexia?
So again:
So again are you saying a person with dyslexia, cannot learn caring skills and that you are allowed to be prejudiced against them?
Stop avoiding my questions, with poor attempts at ones yourself to get out of answering.

eddie wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

You are a prime example of a poor applicant. Read what I said again.

If the application is so poor, why should I grant them an interview for a job to nurse the vulnerable. Imagine how they would treat the care plans.

So I'm quite happy to tell anyone. You're so angry with me that you couldn't tell I was joking to get a rise from the extreme RW. Shame you fell for it.

Actually sack you did come across our that you meant English-born.

Phrases like:

And that's people in this country, who believe the country owes them a job.

And:

That's why I prefer employees from the EU.



So don't backtrack on what you meant. Perhaps you are a tad biased? That's okay though, it's only a crime when you're being an absolute fucking hypocrite.  

darknessss wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Sorry Victor but being as you do not work for many big companiess then you are going off your own perception.
The fact is there is a poor work ethic among some Brits and this is seen in countless companies and why foreigners are employed because they do have a good work ethic.

shurrup Didge    ...I'm having fun at the expense of the whinging Aussie (you know the one, the whineing L/W whos view is everything thats bad that is happening to him is anyone elses fault but his, the one from the generation that expects everything to be provided, rather than be struggled for)