The British Just Don't Want Any More Foreigners

veya_victaous wrote:too bad   
the Aboriginals said the same thing

suck it up princess, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

sphinx wrote:Didge to be fair I think what people want is for some of those currently here - the definitely illegal, the outright criminals, and those who are not working but instead begging and claiming benefits - to be removed, then for the population numbers to be assessed, then controls and curbs written.

People do not have a problem with the individuals involved they have a problem with the numbers and effects involved.  It is a matter of space - France is has more than double the area of the UK yet its population is only 2 and half million more.  

Over half the UK has seen population density increases of over 5% in 10 years and  people dont know when this is going to stop - and they want to know when it is going to stop.

sphinx wrote:Oh as only 7% of our land mass is urbanized I guess we better rush ahead and urbanize some more then.
Moran, I am trying to show you would need a population of over 500 million to even get close to making the country half full, in other words we have hardly even urbanised much of the country showing how easily it seems not only you are gullible to the Mail making daft claims we are over crowded. In fact we have been over crowded more so in the past in cities where infrastructure was not up graded

I am trying to explain why people are saying the things they are saying.  People know most immigrants are hard working - people do not have a problem with the individuals.  They think the world of their next door neighbours and will defend them to the death from unfair attacks they have just stopped swallowing the myth that every immigrant is like their next door neighbour.
Seriously I am not thick Sphinx and I understand why people like yourself are so selfish that you only think of yourselves and not for the future, being as already stated we have a massive imbalance with age groups within the population. It is alright you sitting there moaning but there is more to this as already stated

I dont know about other areas but where I am there are ever increasing numbers of big issue sellers - all immigrants (their language skills show this) and people who see immigrants selling the big issue are not going to be convinced that the number of immigrants not working are so small as to be insignificant because their own personal experience tells them otherwise.  

BigAndy9 wrote:To be honest - the only people who should take part in these surveys are those from places affected by immigration - the large cities and Lincolnshire.

sphinx edited her post above to take out "people from China would think Britain has lots of space while people from Canada and the US would think we are overcrowded" - that's what made me think of the above.

Now, as we all know, places like Devon and Cornwall will vote Lib Dem because they think everything is pink and fluffy - we all know you are from Ashford in Kent - pink and fluffy.

They wouldn't ask me for my input in to handicapped children because I don't come from a house with one - why would they ask a selection of the UK for their opinion on immigration?

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:To be honest - the only people who should take part in these surveys are those from places affected by immigration - the large cities and Lincolnshire.

sphinx edited her post above to take out "people from China would think Britain has lots of space while people from Canada and the US would think we are overcrowded" - that's what made me think of the above.

Now, as we all know, places like Devon and Cornwall will vote Lib Dem because they think everything is pink and fluffy - we all know you are from Ashford in Kent - pink and fluffy.

They wouldn't ask me for my input in to handicapped children because I don't come from a house with one - why would they ask a selection of the UK for their opinion on immigration?

Ashford has high amounts of Polish, Albanians and Nepalese showing how little you know Andy about areas around the UK.
Again it does not affect my life, why do you allow something to affect your life because they come from a different country\/

PhilDidge wrote:Point 1) Not bothered with someone selling the Big issue who speaks little English, it does not affect my life in any way or anybody else for that matter, so why should it bother you? When on holiday do you speak like most English people or even when they move abroad speak the language of that nation? Hardly

yes i want controlled immigration but I I really am at odds with how the likes of the Mail and co play up to people's fears and make matters worse which can create problems and segregate society. The amount of poor articles on Romanians and Bulgarians is poor to say the least Sphinx      

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Ashford has high amounts of Polish, Albanians and Nepalese showing how little you know Andy about areas around the UK.
Again it does not affect my life, why do you allow something to affect your life because they come from a different country\/

Because everywhere I go I have to attempt to interact with them - if I were to travel by public transport, go in any shop, park my car, go to the doctors, walk in public which is now so much more crowded than before, as are all of the shops, the doctors surgery, the hospitals.  My children are suffering in their schools because of them.
And it affects your lfe so much because of what exactly? Bigotry?

And I could go on.

The other thing we haven't factored in is the reason you and BigMama support them - you are foreign yourselves, making everything you say about foreigners worthless in the argument.

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Point 1) Not bothered with someone selling the Big issue who speaks little English, it does not affect my life in any way or anybody else for that matter, so why should it bother you? When on holiday do you speak like most English people or even when they move abroad speak the language of that nation? Hardly

yes i want controlled immigration but I I really am at odds with how the likes of the Mail and co play up to people's fears and make matters worse which can create problems and segregate society. The amount of poor articles on Romanians and Bulgarians is poor to say the least Sphinx      

Glad you are in a position not be bothered by inability to meet obvious need in others.  Unfortunately many people are are in a position that bothers them.  They are experiencing the unpleasant feelings associated with assessing which bits of their life previously considered normal are going to have to be done away with.   Then they are faced with a person in a position they would previously have helped with.  This results in guilt feelings.  People dont like guilt feelings.  People try to reason guilt away.  When the person is need is not British the obvious reasoning is why the hell have they been allowed here when our own people are struggling themselves.  This is not logical.  It is not factually based.  It is human.

I would point out that other newspapers write other poor articles on other subjects except I know full well that when posting on those subjects you attack other newspapers as aggressively so I dont need to.

Andy - the bit you read about China was an error - it was from a different post to a different place.
 

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Point 1) Not bothered with someone selling the Big issue who speaks little English, it does not affect my life in any way or anybody else for that matter, so why should it bother you? When on holiday do you speak like most English people or even when they move abroad speak the language of that nation? Hardly

yes i want controlled immigration but I I really am at odds with how the likes of the Mail and co play up to people's fears and make matters worse which can create problems and segregate society. The amount of poor articles on Romanians and Bulgarians is poor to say the least Sphinx      

Glad you are in a position not be bothered by inability to meet obvious need in others.
What needs, I never knew the Big issue was such a pressing matter in your life

Unfortunately many people are are in a position that bothers them.
How does it bother them, because they get annoyed over something so mundane?

 They are experiencing the unpleasant feelings associated with assessing which bits of their life previously considered normal are going to have to be done away with.
So even though the demographics has changed constantly and the fact is the ethnicity of many British people are mixed to the hilts, people are basically saying foreign people are thus not normal like you and I am then? Really?

Then they are faced with a person in a position they would previously have helped with.  This results in guilt feelings.  People dont like guilt feelings.  People try to reason guilt away.  When the person is need is not British the obvious reasoning is why the hell have they been allowed here when our own people are struggling themselves.  This is not logical.  It is not factually based.  It is human.
I see no reason why people cannot get along, it is either the person who comes here or the person who lives here if either makes no effort then both are wrong

I would point out that other newspapers write other poor articles on other subjects except I know full well that when posting on those subjects you attack other newspapers as aggressively so I dont need to.
I think most papers are shite, they are all biased, but the Mail is appalling

Andy - the bit you read about China was an error - it was from a different post to a different place.
 

BigAndy9 wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Glad you are in a position not be bothered by inability to meet obvious need in others.  Unfortunately many people are are in a position that bothers them.  They are experiencing the unpleasant feelings associated with assessing which bits of their life previously considered normal are going to have to be done away with.   Then they are faced with a person in a position they would previously have helped with.  This results in guilt feelings.  People dont like guilt feelings.  People try to reason guilt away.  When the person is need is not British the obvious reasoning is why the hell have they been allowed here when our own people are struggling themselves.  This is not logical.  It is not factually based.  It is human.

I would point out that other newspapers write other poor articles on other subjects except I know full well that when posting on those subjects you attack other newspapers as aggressively so I dont need to.

Andy - the bit you read about China was an error - it was from a different post to a different place.
 

But turned out to be rather relevant - hope you don't mind me adding it in to my post?!

Phil - do you recognise that many people in the UK are affected by immigration?  Do you think they all get their views from the Daily Mail, and are mistaken in thinking immigration affects the UK?

I really do think you'd be surprised to find that foreigners are affecting people every day, in everything they do.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Because everywhere I go I have to attempt to interact with them - if I were to travel by public transport, go in any shop, park my car, go to the doctors, walk in public which is now so much more crowded than before, as are all of the shops, the doctors surgery, the hospitals.  My children are suffering in their schools because of them.
And it affects your lfe so much because of what exactly? Bigotry?

And I could go on.

The other thing we haven't factored in is the reason you and BigMama support them - you are foreign yourselves, making everything you say about foreigners worthless in the argument.

Priceless, no I am British born, being the fact on my mothers side actually descends back to English from ireland, shows you know jack shit Andy and that sort of attitude is appalling to say who can or cannot be British you ignorant twat being the fact both my Grand parents fought for this country neither of whom even lived here so you could enjoy the freedoms you have today you selfish twat

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Priceless, no I am British born, being the fact on my mothers side actually descends back to English from ireland, shows you know jack shit Andy and that sort of attitude is appalling to say who can or cannot be British you ignorant twat being the fact both my Grand parents fought for this country neither of whom even lived here so you could enjoy the freedoms you have today you selfish twat

No Phil, i'm not ignorant or a bigot.
You are both it seems

When such important people as the other children in my children's class all speak another language - sometimes the teachers, the doctors and nurses, the staff at shops I interact with - it isn't bigotry, they are difficult situations that I and others have to overcome every day.
So what that they speak another language, I bet they also can speak English which would show greater aptitude than many of the children who are born here, who too lazy to learn another language. It will be rare to find someone in profession you cannot understand if we are to believe you there would mountains of stories everyday of which is not the case    

I know your background thank you, you have told me before - your mother is from Ireland and your father is from Italy?/Sicily?
Yes but I am born here which makes me British, do you know both British and English are made up conceptions, it is not an exclusive club, being the fact nobody before the 8th century were in fact English they were Britons who had mixed ethnicity including, Romans, Celts, Saxons, jutes and Angles,the later unless you are descended solely from then you have no claim to being English by your logic, are you? No

Whatever - your family comes from abroad and you of course support that.  You champion those who come from abroad because it is where you and your family come from - they have made that journey and you feel others can do it too.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

No Phil, i'm not ignorant or a bigot.
You are both it seems

When such important people as the other children in my children's class all speak another language - sometimes the teachers, the doctors and nurses, the staff at shops I interact with - it isn't bigotry, they are difficult situations that I and others have to overcome every day.
So what that they speak another language, I bet they also can speak English which would show greater aptitude than many of the children who are born here tooo lazy to learn another language. It will be rare to find someone in profession you cannot understand if we are to believe you there would mountains of stories everyday of which is not the case    

I know your background thank you, you have told me before - your mother is from Ireland and your father is from Italy?/Sicily?
Yes but I am born here which makes me British, do you know both British and English are made up conceptions, it is not an exclusive club, being the fact nobody before the 8th century were in fact English they were Britons who had mixed ethnicity including, Romans, Celts, Saxons, jutes and Angles,the later unless you are descended solely from then you have no claim to being English by your logic, are you? No

Whatever - your family comes from abroad and you of course support that.  You champion those who come from abroad because it is where you and your family come from - they have made that journey and you feel others can do it too.

The whole nation was born from mixed ethnicity you wally, we are humans, biologically all one race, the only issue is people like yourself who cannot get along with others

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

The whole nation was born from mixed ethnicity you wally, we are humans, biologically all one race, the only issue is people like yourself who cannot get along with others

There we go - you believe Britain isn't for the British - it's for everybody and we don't have a right to a country of our own?

How long has your apartment block been standing?  Do you leave the door to your flat open?

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

There we go - you believe Britain isn't for the British - it's for everybody and we don't have a right to a country of our own?

How long has your apartment block been standing?  Do you leave the door to your flat open?

You still not grasping this are you, British people are already made up of a multitude of ethnicities. Again the concept of English comes from the Angles, are you descended solely from the Angles? If not then by your methodology you cannot be English, yet I would never deny you the right to claim yourself to be and say you are foreign descended no doubt from the Normans, who were descended from the Vikings who bred with the Franks, so are you more French than English?

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


You still not grasping this are you, British people are already made up of a multitude of ethnicities. Again the concept of English comes from the Angles, are you descended solely from the Angles? If not then by your methodology you cannot be English, yet I would never deny you the right to claim yourself to be and say you are foreign descended no doubt from the Normans, who were descended from the Vikings who bred with the Franks, so are you more French than English?

Aaaaand because of this, what?

I must sit in the street and be spat upon?

I must hand over my daughter to whom?

I must vacate my house by what time?

What are you trying to say Phil?

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Glad you are in a position not be bothered by inability to meet obvious need in others.
What needs, I never knew the Big issue was such a pressing matter in your life

Unfortunately many people are are in a position that bothers them.
How does it bother them, because they get annoyed over something so mundane?

 They are experiencing the unpleasant feelings associated with assessing which bits of their life previously considered normal are going to have to be done away with.
So even though the demographics has changed constantly and the fact is the ethnicity of many British people are mixed to the hilts, people are basically saying foreign people are thus not normal like you and I am then? Really?

Then they are faced with a person in a position they would previously have helped with.  This results in guilt feelings.  People dont like guilt feelings.  People try to reason guilt away.  When the person is need is not British the obvious reasoning is why the hell have they been allowed here when our own people are struggling themselves.  This is not logical.  It is not factually based.  It is human.
I see no reason why people cannot get along, it is either the person who comes here or the person who lives here if either makes no effort then both are wrong  

I would point out that other newspapers write other poor articles on other subjects except I know full well that when posting on those subjects you attack other newspapers as aggressively so I dont need to.
I think most papers are shite, they are all biased, but the Mail is appalling

Andy - the bit you read about China was an error - it was from a different post to a different place.
 

So to sum up people are themselves what is the issue as they cannot get along with other people

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

So to sum up people are themselves what is the issue as they cannot get along with other people

One of us is missing something here
Someone selling the big issue is homeless and living on the streets - they will be going cold wet and hungry.  (I know I have been there)
That is there issue, they chose to come here and if they wish to go that way, then on their head be it, they could of course find work or go back home, again this represents a pathetic amount of people and do not represent the vast majority of immigrants

I, and  a lot of other people cannot see a seller without being very aware of the situation that person is in.  Lots of people freely bought or donated to big issue sellers in the past.
Seriously this is scraping the barrel now Sphinx to drag out such a lame point on whether you feel bad for them, sorry I get on with my life and actually pay into charities where I know the money is being well spent

 Now they are struggling financially themselves - and though they do have a home etc they are not confident they are going to keep it.  Seeing someone in a position they previously would have helped with makes them feel inadequate because they cannot help now.  Being unable to help despite being so much better off makes them feel guilty.  Feelings of guilt and inadequacy are reasoned into anger.
Your issue not mine and to be honest I don't think the reality is many people give a rats arse when seeing a big issue seller, that is the reality, you maybe different, hey that is your choice just as it is of the seller who came here

People want to get along with other people but survival instincts say they have to look out for themselves first (there are scientific studies on these  hierarchies).
Bull, you just made that up in regards to getting along with people, it is not difficult you just have to try and it does not reflect the vast amount of foreign people here who are not selling the big issue . You are labouring such a minor point to the death

You are busy trying to claim people are not being affected by immigration but the fact is they are being affected because they are emotional beings.
The parent whose child has started  struggling at school will be affected because they will feel that the 2 children from immigrant families that have taken the class to 32 pupils are taking time the teacher could be spending helping their children.  It does not matter whether that is what is happening that is what the parent will feel so the parent is affected.

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:

Aaaaand because of this, what?

I must sit in the street and be spat upon?

I must hand over my daughter to whom?

I must vacate my house by what time?

What are you trying to say Phil?

Oh please the above is pathetic to say the least Andy you are now clutching at straws

PhilDidge wrote:The above made no sense as per usual, again lets take your stance when most people like myself just want it controlled and reduced, if other nations took your view, then no Brits could emigrate themselves, even worse could not work abroad all because some people are selfish to deny some others a chance to move here to better their lives.

That is poor to say the least, good reasons for controlling will be numbers with infrastructures that would be the main reason, not fear, scare or guilt being used as you do.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:

One of us is missing something here
Someone selling the big issue is homeless and living on the streets - they will be going cold wet and hungry.  (I know I have been there)
That is there issue, they chose to come here and if they wish to go that way, then on their head be it, they could of course find work or go back home, again this represents a pathetic amount of people and do not represent the vast majority of immigrants

I, and  a lot of other people cannot see a seller without being very aware of the situation that person is in.  Lots of people freely bought or donated to big issue sellers in the past.
Seriously this is scraping the barrel now Sphinx to drag out such a lame point on whether you feel bad for them, sorry I get on with my life and actually pay into charities where I know the money is being well spent

 Now they are struggling financially themselves - and though they do have a home etc they are not confident they are going to keep it.  Seeing someone in a position they previously would have helped with makes them feel inadequate because they cannot help now.  Being unable to help despite being so much better off makes them feel guilty.  Feelings of guilt and inadequacy are reasoned into anger.
Your issue not mine and to be honest I don't think the reality is many people give a rats arse when seeing a big issue seller, that is the reality, you maybe different, hey that is your choice just as it is of the seller who came here

People want to get along with other people but survival instincts say they have to look out for themselves first (there are scientific studies on these  hierarchies).
Bull, you just made that up in regards to getting along with people, it is not difficult you just have to try and it does not reflect the vast amount of foreign people here who are not selling the big issue . You are labouring such a minor point to the death

You are busy trying to claim people are not being affected by immigration but the fact is they are being affected because they are emotional beings.
The parent whose child has started  struggling at school will be affected because they will feel that the 2 children from immigrant families that have taken the class to 32 pupils are taking time the teacher could be spending helping their children.  It does not matter whether that is what is happening that is what the parent will feel so the parent is affected.

Oh for fuck sake, get a grip woman, you are telling me a child is that affected by more people in the class and this is what concerns them the most when they come home from school? Not by the hair of your chinny chin chin, a child of that age won't give a rats arse, because it will not think like an adult over where a person comes from unless influenced with bigotry by that parent. Why is it then Sphinx that places like Tower Hamlets of which has high immigration has some of the best grade scores in the country?

PhilDidge wrote:3 years ago Tess interesting and yet it has paid for the fact many of the schools have come on leaps and bounds

sphinx wrote:Didge are you deliberately mis quoting me or are you skim reading and filling in the blanks incorrectly.

I did not say the child is worried by what happens at school I said the parents are.

For years it has been put about by the educational establishment that class size affects outcome and that the optimal size for primary school classes is under 30 with governments repeated promising to make sure no class goes above that.  Promises which have not been kept and no just due to immigration

Having put this about we are now in a situation where increases in school age population partly driven by immigration  is contributing to class sizes going above 30.  Parents whose children are now in classes with more than 30 pupils are going to worry about their childs education.  Where a parent believes the class size increase is due to immigration because the extra pupils are immigrants children they are going to conclude that their childs education is being negatively affected by immigration.  

Please note I am not stating that below 30 is optimal.  I am not saying the increased class size is even partly the fault of immigrants.  I am trying to show you how other peoples thought processes often work.

BigAndy9 wrote:You will tell us next that 90%+ of immigrants are working.

That isn't a plus for the white Brits at the bottom Phil.

Ask the old lady from Rochdale.

You know the one - the one you and your friend Gordon would call a bigot.

PhilDidge wrote:

sphinx wrote:Didge are you deliberately mis quoting me or are you skim reading and filling in the blanks incorrectly.

I did not say the child is worried by what happens at school I said the parents are.

For years it has been put about by the educational establishment that class size affects outcome and that the optimal size for primary school classes is under 30 with governments repeated promising to make sure no class goes above that.  Promises which have not been kept and no just due to immigration

Having put this about we are now in a situation where increases in school age population partly driven by immigration  is contributing to class sizes going above 30.  Parents whose children are now in classes with more than 30 pupils are going to worry about their childs education.  Where a parent believes the class size increase is due to immigration because the extra pupils are immigrants children they are going to conclude that their childs education is being negatively affected by immigration.  

Please note I am not stating that below 30 is optimal.  I am not saying the increased class size is even partly the fault of immigrants.  I am trying to show you how other peoples thought processes often work.

Okay school class room sizes, valid point, that is a point for reducing immigration of which I already agreed.

Points on assimilation, fear tactics, scare tactics I do not agree with

PhilDidge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:You will tell us next that 90%+ of immigrants are working.

That isn't a plus for the white Brits at the bottom Phil.

Ask the old lady from Rochdale.

You know the one - the one you and your friend Gordon would call a bigot.

EU migrants do:

http://fullfact.org/articles/immigration_bill_migrants_benefits-29233

But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.

Sassy wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:too bad   
the Aboriginals said the same thing

suck it up princess, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Funniest put down I've heard in a long time!   

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think a lot of it is the attitude you take. I was at a store a few years ago when a guy who came from Southeast Asia somewhere came up with a bottle of soap he couldn't read the label on. He pantomimed washing his hair with it, then under his arms. I took a look at the bottle and pantomimed washing under my arms, he smiled and nodded.

Now, were I the type of person whose attitude is to say that that's a sign that America isn't America if I can't speak English to everyone I bump into, that incident probably would have pissed me off. I just thought it was kind of cool how two people who didn't speak the same language could exchange information and assistance.

I think it's just that attitude, "Britain for British," that kind of pisses me off. I bet the Celtic people who were conquered by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes said that, and the Germanic tribes said that when they were conquered by the Normans. What happened? They eventually got over it and saw one another as equally British, just in time to sail around the world, subjugate a bunch of natives and start a big slaving operation.

I think there's also some misplaced blame going on. Nobody forces employers to lower the wages they offer immigrants; they're preying on the fact that most immigrants come from lower earning classes and think half of what you earn is riches.

And as far as education, maybe the U.K. should invest more money into it. After all, its austerity measures didn't work:

But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/12/by-george-britains-austerity-experiment-didnt-work.html

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think a lot of it is the attitude you take. I was at a store a few years ago when a guy who came from Southeast Asia somewhere came up with a bottle of soap he couldn't read the label on. He pantomimed washing his hair with it, then under his arms. I took a look at the bottle and pantomimed washing under my arms, he smiled and nodded.

Now, were I the type of person whose attitude is to say that that's a sign that America isn't America if I can't speak English to everyone I bump into, that incident probably would have pissed me off. I just thought it was kind of cool how two people who didn't speak the same language could exchange information and assistance.

I think it's just that attitude, "Britain for British," that kind of pisses me off. I bet the Celtic people who were conquered by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes said that, and the Germanic tribes said that when they were conquered by the Normans. What happened? They eventually got over it and saw one another as equally British, just in time to sail around the world, subjugate a bunch of natives and start a big slaving operation.

I think there's also some misplaced blame going on. Nobody forces employers to lower the wages they offer immigrants; they're preying on the fact that most immigrants come from lower earning classes and think half of what you earn is riches.

And as far as education, maybe the U.K. should invest more money into it. After all, its austerity measures didn't work:

But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/12/by-george-britains-austerity-experiment-didnt-work.html

Shady wrote:

Sassy wrote:



Funniest put down I've heard in a long time!   

Sassy it's a bit weird how you interpret every post aimed at either me or BA as a put down.

Are you having one of your turns again? Come on girl let's keep it together & try not to tun this site into your previous failure.

Stop copying Catty & post good posts which you are more than capable of doing.

Shady wrote:

Sassy wrote:



Funniest put down I've heard in a long time!   

Sassy it's a bit weird how you interpret every post aimed at either me or BA as a put down.

Are you having one of your turns again? Come on girl let's keep it together & try not to tun this site into your previous failure.

Stop copying Catty & post good posts which you are more than capable of doing.

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think a lot of it is the attitude you take. I was at a store a few years ago when a guy who came from Southeast Asia somewhere came up with a bottle of soap he couldn't read the label on. He pantomimed washing his hair with it, then under his arms. I took a look at the bottle and pantomimed washing under my arms, he smiled and nodded.

Now, were I the type of person whose attitude is to say that that's a sign that America isn't America if I can't speak English to everyone I bump into, that incident probably would have pissed me off. I just thought it was kind of cool how two people who didn't speak the same language could exchange information and assistance.

I think it's just that attitude, "Britain for British," that kind of pisses me off. I bet the Celtic people who were conquered by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes said that, and the Germanic tribes said that when they were conquered by the Normans. What happened? They eventually got over it and saw one another as equally British, just in time to sail around the world, subjugate a bunch of natives and start a big slaving operation.

I think there's also some misplaced blame going on. Nobody forces employers to lower the wages they offer immigrants; they're preying on the fact that most immigrants come from lower earning classes and think half of what you earn is riches.

And as far as education, maybe the U.K. should invest more money into it. After all, its austerity measures didn't work:

But from an economic perspective, Osborne’s argument is hogwash. His effort to cure the patient by subjecting it to the equivalent of leeching—big cuts in government spending and higher taxes—a return to pre-Keynesian policies watched closely the world over, failed abysmally. Imposed at a time when the U.K.’s economy was recovering from the financial crisis of 2008-09, it subjected his countrymen and countrywomen to three more years of slump-like conditions, and it produced a dearth of public-sector and private-sector investment that will hobble Britain for years to come. It even failed to meet its own targets of drastically reducing the budget deficit and bringing down Britain’s over-all debt burden.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2013/12/by-george-britains-austerity-experiment-didnt-work.html

sphinx wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Okay school class room sizes, valid point, that is a point for reducing immigration of which I already agreed.

Points on assimilation, fear tactics, scare tactics I do not agree with

I think just blaming the DM and its ilk for fear tactics and scare tactics is disingenuous.  

For too long too much of the media tried publishing reasoned balanced concerns that were being raised by their readership (the relationship between what a media source publishes and what its customers believe is far from a simple one way process)  and were slammed for doing so being accused of racism and bigotry for the simplest investigation.  As a result they felt unheard and ignored and did what most humans do when feeling unheard and ignored they got louder and more extreme.  Now it is finally being admitted that their original concerns had some validity they are staying loud and extreme because they fear if they get quieter and more reasonable again they will be ignored.

Combine this with the fact that ordinary people (both those that read the DM and those that dont) are getting more concerned and you get the situation where the extremes are less challenged.