John Oliver Grills Edward Snowden, Asks Whistleblower To Explain Surveillance In Regards To His D*ck

NEW YORK -- In a remarkable coup for the British comedian, Sunday’s episode of "Last Week Tonight" featured John Oliver grilling whistleblower Edward Snowden in a room opposite the old KGB headquarters in Moscow, the Birmingham-born satirist hitting the former NSA man with some surprisingly uncomfortable questioning.
Snowden has given countless interviews since he leaked the documents that exposed the British and American surveillance programmes in 2013, however rarely has he looked so unnerved as when taken to task over how many of the documents he actually read before handing them over to journalists.
“I do understand what I turned over,” said the flustered American before Oliver shot back: “There’s a difference between understanding what’s in the documents and reading what’s in the documents... when you’re handing over thousands of NSA documents the last thing you’d want to do is read them.”
Oliver continued: “So the New York Times took a slide, didn’t redact it properly, and in the end it was possible for people to see that something was being used in Mosul.”
Snowden responded: “That is a problem.”
“Well, that’s a f*ck up,” said Oliver.
“It is a f*ck up, and those things do happen in reporting. In journalism, we have to accept that some mistakes will be made. This is a fundamental concept of liberty,” said Snowden.
“But you have to own that,” responded Oliver. “You’re giving documents with information you know could be harmful, which could get out there.”
The interview took a less tense tone when Oliver offered a new framing for the intractable question of surveillance that he argued Americans would more readily understand –- dick pictures.
Having show a clip of Americans outrahttp://www.newsfixboard.com/post?f=22&mode=newtopicged over the government’s access to nude pictures, Oliver said: “This is the most visible line in the sand for people: Can they see my dick? So with that in mind, look inside that folder. That is a picture of my dick. So let’s go through each NSA program and explain to me its capabilities in regards to that photograph of my penis.”
“I never thought about putting it in the context of your junk,” said Snowden before explaining the varied NSA programmes in relation to the comedian's old chap.


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Yes, yes...there are difficulties with the content of the disclosures that this American hero has facilitated.  But they are problems with the underlying fact of the surveillance.

Do you feel better that some sanctioned person in the NSA can see a picture of your dick or cunnus, but (heavens to betsy!!) it is withheld from the Kremlin or ISIL?  Ridiculous.  The very existence of the surveillance sucks.

Original Quill wrote:Yes, yes...there are difficulties with the content of the disclosures that this American hero has facilitated.  But they are problems with the underlying fact of the surveillance.

Do you feel better that some sanctioned person in the NSA can see a picture of your dick or cunnus, but (heavens to betsy!!) it is withheld from the Kremlin or ISIL?  Ridiculous.  The very existence of the surveillance sucks.

I do not see him as a hero, but an incompetant idiot to be honest how done far more harm than he did good. He is not a hero but a complete traitor in every aspect.
Am I concerned at what goes on in the secret service world as long as it keeps us all safe?
No, not at all and it is why we have beaten enemies is because of what we know underhandedly about them. The problem with the lefties of the world today is they want to pass the advantage we have over our enemies to them, based off some self righteous selfish belief they need to know everything. By that belief, you make your enemy more powerful and you weaken yourself.

Sometimes epochs in history change without our awareness, and obviously this is even more true about the business of covert intelligence.

The new epoch of universal non-privacy, or universal promulgation,  is an epoch of which Mr. Snowden made us aware.  He may rank up there with Copernicus or Johannes Gutenberg in terms of changing our perception of ourselves, our rights and the realities of the world in which we live.  Rarely is the phrase, get used to it! more poignant than here.

The issue is much greater than covert services.  Indeed, the NSA may be the most chagrined at the new galaxy of promulgation that they have helped to bring about.  They wanted to say the old saying: I've got mine, now you cannot have yours.  But all they accomplished is, everyone now has everything.

Original Quill wrote:Sometimes epochs in history without our awareness, and obviously this is even more true about the business of covert intelligence.

The new epoch of universal non-privacy, or universal promulgation,  is an epoch of which Mr. Snowden made us aware.  He may rank up there with Copernicus or Johannes Gutenberg in terms of changing our perception.

He ranks as no more than a gutter snake out to make money and a name for himself, nothing more. If anything and we had such laws, he would be rightly executed for treason as he should be
Imagine if such an idiot had been around at the time of WW2 and had advised the world we had broken enigma, it would have lengthened the war and cost countless more lives in the millions.
Again why do you need to know of such things?
This is why the left view of the world is one that places its own people in danger, as it passes the advantage to the enemy. If you think playing fair by being open and honest about everything your secret service does, then you may as well disband them as you have just made them redundent as an effective organisation. This is why the left wing strategy is a non-starter and one very much likely to lose you any war.

Lol. we beat enemies.... funniest thing is you assume they would include 'you' as part of them. that you would not be called enemy if it was convenient or profitable for them.
a huge assumption that we are always good and clearly we(the West) are not. We have basically a constant history of abusing and suppression our own and anyone else we can. Give a power to ANY western gov't back to the ancient Greeks and that power WILL be abused but that gov't it never has NOT been.

you know the definition of true Idiot
Some one that keeps doing the same thing expecting a different result.
How did Hitler Or Stalin Or Any other great evil rise PEOPLE gave them powers without questioning their motives or the potential future abuse all in a false desire to be 'protected'.

And the USA does this to everyone but China (the Great firewall of China Actually exists for this reason) so it happens Once to it, by one of it's own citizens and somehow that is worse than the USA doing it to other nations Including allies and neutrals every single day.
Funny thing is that pretty much all of NSA data is already stolen by China before the USA even finishes compiling it. the reason you should not give your details to the USA (or Google, Apple, Facebook etc) is they Suck at protecting it.



And why talk about WW2 like it is relevant today. It is An archaic war fought Pre computer age, It is no more relevant than a sword fight. WW2 was literally rendered irrelevant to all future conflicts BY the Object that ended WW2. The Nuke.
Today pretty much every piece of equipment they used is obsolete. bringing tanks to a drone War will be about as good as knife in a gun fight.

Can anyone translate that bable written by the Aussi loon as I am completely lost at the complete babble he has come out with again.
Like I said if you went with the strategy of the left we would be under Nazism today because not one lefty has a clue on strategy.
If you pass the initiative over to those who are your enemies, like ISIS for example then you may as well make your security services redundent. It is as simple as that and for what reason do the left apply on this?
They want to know everything that goes onto protect their lives.
Only one way to sum that up.
Clueless idiots.

@veya_victaous
"USA does this to everyone but China (the Great firewall of China Actually exists for this reason) so it happens Once to it, by one of it's own citizens and somehow that is worse than the USA doing it to other nations Including allies and neutrals every single day. Suspect Suspect Suspect
Funny thing is that pretty much all of NSA data is already stolen by China before the USA even finishes compiling it. the reason you should not give your details to the USA (or Google, Apple, Facebook etc) is they Suck at protecting it.



And why talk about WW2 like it is relevant today. It is An archaic war fought Pre computer age, It is no more relevant than a sword fight. WW2 was literally rendered irrelevant to all future conflicts BY the Object that ended WW2. The Nuke.
Today pretty much every piece of equipment they used is obsolete. bringing tanks to a drone War will be about as good as knife in a gun fight."

Nazism, never went away. Why do you think a certain few avoided being caught. Why are these vile wars still continuing, shouldn't our leaders have learned by now, we are here in 2015 and yet they STILL cannot communicate without this mass bloodshed and cruelty.

captainJane wrote: @veya_victaous
"USA does this to everyone but China (the Great firewall of China Actually exists for this reason) so it happens Once to it, by one of it's own citizens and somehow that is worse than the USA doing it to other nations Including allies and neutrals every single day. Suspect Suspect Suspect
Funny thing is that pretty much all of NSA data is already stolen by China before the USA even finishes compiling it. the reason you should not give your details to the USA (or Google, Apple, Facebook etc) is they Suck at protecting it.



And why talk about WW2 like it is relevant today. It is An archaic war fought Pre computer age, It is no more relevant than a sword fight. WW2 was literally rendered irrelevant to all future conflicts BY the Object that ended WW2. The Nuke.
Today pretty much every piece of equipment they used is obsolete. bringing tanks to a drone War will be about as good as knife in a gun fight."

Nazism, never went away. Why do you think a certain few avoided being caught. Why are these vile wars still continuing, shouldn't our leaders have learned by now, we are here in 2015 and yet they STILL cannot communicate without this mass bloodshed and cruelty.

Jesus, there is plenty of idiots in this world that do not care about the sanctity of life and never will in fact some in fact embrace death and the glory that it brings based on daft religious beliefs, which shows there is much to concern ourselves even more so if they got thier hands on Nukes. All of us would love a world at peace but the reality is very different and again losing sight of what is needed to combat threats based on what you think you should know just gives the inititaive to known enemies. In fact ISIS are for a start easily able to play off the daft left wing policy of thinking they should know. It seeks to defend these terrorists within our mists.
The priority is the safety of our people not what you and others think you should know, as like I said you may as well do away with the Security services.

Brasidas wrote:All of us would love a world at peace but the reality is very different and again losing sight of what is needed to combat threats based on what you think you should know just gives the inititaive to known enemies.

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The priority is the safety of our people not what you and others think you should know, as like I said you may as well do away with the Security services.

Rarely does a passage get at the RW philosophy with such precision. I see in these two paragraphs:

1. The world is perpetual war (recall: Thomas Hobbes).
2. Combat (or war) is the priority.
3. It is a zero-sum game…that which we do not take for ourselves is taken by our enemies and used against us.
4. All quality of life (e.g., privacy) is to be subsumed to the antagonism between ourselves and our enemies.

Does anyone else see the xenophobia, paranoia and the functional totalitarianism encompassed in these paragraphs? My god, it’s Orwell's 1984 and we are watching it as it happens.

Some people really are clueless so lets dumb this down for Quill.
Are Islamic extremists in their many forms at war with the West?
Yes or no?

Brasidas wrote:Some people really are clueless so lets dumb this down for Quill.
Are Islamic extremists in their many forms at war with the West?
Yes or no?

Does it really matter?  You are not just dumbing it down, but changing the subject.

My point isn't about Islamic extremists as much as it is about conservatives.  You stress Muslims today, but if there are no Islamic extremists conveniently around one gets the feeling that conservatives would settle for communists—so passé, but they'll do in a pinch.  Or blacks—they are usually on our side, but we can single them out as enemies in a difficult situation.  The end justifies the means...it's the justification for perpetual war.

The overriding point is that you are trying to justify your ethnic/theocratic hatred on the same principles that totalitarians universally use: subsumption of the quality of life to the state, which is allegedly in a perpetual state of war.  Such threat, it is argued, justifies total incorporation of people into the effort, and even our language becomes the total opposite of the original meaning...Orwellian double-speak.  It always amazes me that the Department of War became the Department of Defense.

Original Quill wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Some people really are clueless so lets dumb this down for Quill.
Are Islamic extremists in their many forms at war with the West?
Yes or no?

Does it really matter?  You are not just dumbing it down, but changing the subject.

My point isn't about Islamic extremists as much as it is about conservatives.  You stress Muslims today, but if there are no Islamic extremists conveniently around one gets the feeling that conservatives would settle for communists—so passé, but they'll do in a pinch.  Or blacks—they are usually on our side, but we can single them out as enemies in a difficult situation.  The end justifies the means...it's the justification for perpetual war.

The overriding point is that you are trying to justify your ethnic/theocratic hatred on the same principles that totalitarians universally use: subsumption of the quality of life to the state, which is allegedly in a perpetual state of war.  Such threat, it is argued, justifies total incorporation of people into the effort, and even our language becomes the total opposite of the original meaning...Orwellian double-speak.  It always amazes me that the Department of War became the Department of Defense.

For a start I am not eluding to a perpetual war, that was your invented nonsense I never even claimed.
Second I am not even trying to justify any hatred, and at no point have I.
Third I am talking about strategy in any current situation where a nation and its people are under direct threat and in fact at war.
Once you understand we are at war, then measures have to be taken, or you pass over the advantage to your enemy and the safety of the civilians of that nation outweigh any moral ground view of your freedoms, of which you in fact lose none of. What you may lose the right to is some privacy, which again if you are using technology, you are in fact a guest to and have no right even then to say whether you can deny people listening in when it is required if necessary to defend against aggressors to a nation

So


Try again as I am helping you find why you are so lost on this:
Are Islamic extremists in their many forms at war with the West?
Yes or no?

Original Quill wrote:

Brasidas wrote:All of us would love a world at peace but the reality is very different and again losing sight of what is needed to combat threats based on what you think you should know just gives the inititaive to known enemies.

*  *  *  *

The priority is the safety of our people not what you and others think you should know, as like I said you may as well do away with the Security services.

Rarely does a passage get at the RW philosophy with such precision.  I see in these two paragraphs:

1. The world is perpetual war (recall: Thomas Hobbes).
2. Combat (or war) is the priority.
3. It is a zero-sum game…that which we do not take for ourselves is taken by our enemies and used against us.
4. All quality of life (e.g., privacy) is to be subsumed to the antagonism between ourselves and our enemies.

Does anyone else see the xenophobia, paranoia and the functional totalitarianism encompassed in these paragraphs?  My god, it’s Orwell's 1984 and we are watching it as it happens.

For once I have to agree with you

Didge's goals are different than most of us
he wants hatred and war
Like his Prophet Sam Harris Commands


And it takes 2 to tango
And Why are they at war with the West
Because we Drop bombs on them and steal their resources.
we are the invaders and agitators
it is the West that has military outposts in the middle east and not the other way round
You arguments are all valid IF you were an Islamic theocrat facing the threat that will be your inevitable demise in Secularism.

We simply do not need to throw away rights For no apparent reason. anyone that says we do is a coward, we have no need to listen to a fear mongering coward.
Personally I believe those that would give away my rights because they a pissing themselves in terror at bogey men Are my enemy more than Islamists because they will have a more negative effect on my life, my children's lives and other Australians lives than an Islamist could even pray for.

veya_victaous wrote:Didge's goals are different than most of us
he wants hatred and war
Like his Prophet Sam Harris Commands


And it takes 2 to tango
And Why are they at war with the West
Because we Drop bombs on them and steal their resources.
we are the invaders and agitators
it is the West that has military outposts in the middle east and not the other way round
You arguments are all valid IF you were an Islamic theocrat facing the threat that will be your inevitable demise in Secularism.

We simply do not need to throw away rights For no apparent reason. anyone that says we do is a coward, we have no need to listen to a fear mongering coward.
Personally I believe those that would give away my rights because they a pissing themselves in terror at bogey men Are my enemy more than Islamists because they will have a more negative effect on my life, my children's lives and other Australians lives than an Islamist could even pray for.

Argument lost on the lonny Aussie
This is not about who causes wars but when a nation is at war.
Second your view as to who caused it is basically now excusing Islamic extremism, which basically shows you are a puppet and an apologist to islamic extremism.
There is no excuse for attacking innocent civillians with terrorism full stop, yet you just poorly tried to justify it, which makes me further believe how many more lefties back Islamic extremism

No you want to be at war
it is none of our business what they are doing
You don't say invade Africa or South American which is even worse
Only Oil rich nation on the invasion list


And the REAL point is lost on the Coward yet again !!!!
REAL MEN will save you (don't worry princess) we are not all softcocks like you that wet our pants at a minor threat. Islam IS NOT A THREAT.
If you think it is, You either don't appreciate how strong WE are Or just plain old coward that cannot accept any degree of risk.

There is no excuse for attacking innocent civilians With drones either
There is no excuse for attacking innocent civilians ever

BUT Case in Point, Suicide bomber are pretty finite in supply and a single use combat unit.
We can put thousands of drones in the sky that can bomb them all day every day for years on end. The level of difference between Our destructive power and theirs in not even measurable they have 0.00000001% of our destructive power.

Why don't we have Nukes in Space? Because WE CHOOSE not too. the West is an entirely Different level to Islam. Only China, India And Russia are comparable powers and even then they are but a fraction of the US let alone the combined western military.

veya_victaous wrote:No you want to be at war
it is none of our business what they are doing
You don't say invade Africa or South American which is even worse
Only Oil rich nation on the invasion list


And the REAL point is lost on the Coward yet again !!!!
REAL MEN will save you (don't worry princess) we are not all softcocks like you that wet our pants at a minor threat. Islam IS NOT A THREAT.
If you think it is, You either don't appreciate how strong WE are Or just plain old coward that cannot accept any degree of risk.

There is no excuse for attacking innocent civilians With drones either
There is no excuse for attacking innocent civilians ever

BUT Case in Point, Suicide bomber are pretty finite in supply and a single use combat unit.
We can put thousands of drones in the sky that can bomb them all day every day for years on end. The level of difference between Our destructive power and theirs in not even measurable they have 0.00000001% of our destructive power.

Why don't we have Nukes in Space? Because WE CHOOSE not too. the West is an entirely Different level to Islam. Only China, India And Russia are comparable powers and even then they are but a fraction of the US let alone the combined western military.

I get called countless times by you of being racist for showing views on Islam which is illogical being as I stand against bad ideas on religion, yet you make such absurd accusations, being as I have always stood against racism.
The fact is to make absuird notions that terrorism is justified is wrong, even when the ANC killed innocent people in SA it was wrong, there is never any justification for such crimes. Mandela was great because he looked to reconcile between the people when he was freed, he did not look for revenege and taught us all about a  much better way of which he stands in greatness for.
To make a view to justify terrorist acts based on conflicts is again unjustifiable, which you are attempting to do.
At present we are at war with islamic extremism and in this country it is a very serious threat.
So when you start to justify terrorism I will rightly call you to task over such beliefs.
The reality is what is being talked about is how and in my case the Britiish secret service needs to act against a threat and they have been very successful in thwarting many attempts in this country.

Now you can throw off the debate with poor reasoning and justifying extremism, but as seen it falls flat when there is utterly no justification
Noboy is stating Islam is a threat and at no point was this point ever made, what is a threat is Islamism, which is an extremism and dangereous version and interpretation of Islam which you wish to bury your head in the sand with


That makes you a Islamic terrorist symnpathizer

Theresa May has revealed that 40 terror plots have been foiled by British security services since the 7/7 bombings in 2005, as she unveiled a new counter-terrorism bill.

The foiled plots include a planned Mumbai-style gun attack, the planned murder of members of the armed forces, an attempt to bring down a plane, and an attempt to assassinate an ambassador.
The Home Secretary told a counter terrorism event in London that since April 2010, 753 people have been arrested on terrorism-related offences, while 212 people have been charged and 148 have been successfully prosecuted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/theresa-may-british-security-services-foiled-40-terror-plots-since-77-attacks-9879712.html



Britain has faced four major terrorist plots in the past year, three of them in the past few months alone, the head of MI5 has disclosed as he warned that the lethal threat from Islamist extremists, including those home-grown, has continued to grow at an unprecedented rate.

The security service is currently engaged in operations to counter ongoing attempts to stage atrocities, or “spectaculars”: some of them involve jihadists from this country who have been trained in Syria and Iraq to carry out murderous attacks like those which have claimed 13 lives in France in the past 24 hours


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/charlie-hebdo-attack-britain-faced-four-major-terror-plots-in-past-year-reveals-head-of-mi5-9966385.html


These threats are very real and yet you try to downplay their significance as if any loss of life is trivial, that is disgusting to even claim.

Brasidas wrote:Theresa May has revealed that 40 terror plots have been foiled by British security services since the 7/7 bombings in 2005, as she unveiled a new counter-terrorism bill.

The foiled plots include a planned Mumbai-style gun attack, the planned murder of members of the armed forces, an attempt to bring down a plane, and an attempt to assassinate an ambassador.
The Home Secretary told a counter terrorism event in London that since April 2010, 753 people have been arrested on terrorism-related offences, while 212 people have been charged and 148 have been successfully prosecuted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/theresa-may-british-security-services-foiled-40-terror-plots-since-77-attacks-9879712.html



Britain has faced four major terrorist plots in the past year, three of them in the past few months alone, the head of MI5 has disclosed as he warned that the lethal threat from Islamist extremists, including those home-grown, has continued to grow at an unprecedented rate.

The security service is currently engaged in operations to counter ongoing attempts to stage atrocities, or “spectaculars”: some of them involve jihadists from this country who have been trained in Syria and Iraq to carry out murderous attacks like those which have claimed 13 lives in France in the past 24 hours


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/charlie-hebdo-attack-britain-faced-four-major-terror-plots-in-past-year-reveals-head-of-mi5-9966385.html


These threats are very real and yet you try to downplay their significance as if any loss of life is trivial, that is disgusting to even claim.

Or Theresa May has a pretty vivid imagination.  Police and authorities are always trying to enhance their cases so that (1) they make themselves look good; (2) they get more funding; and (3) they are serving a political agenda, such as trying to justify to their constituents why they are making the quality of life less enjoyable.

It's debatable whether totalitarian states make life more comfortable, but one thing you can always depend on: those in charge like them.

It's an adversarial world.  Have you queried the other side as to whether "these threats are very real?" I hear they are looking for a replacement for the color-coded threat system.

Original Quill wrote:

Brasidas wrote:Theresa May has revealed that 40 terror plots have been foiled by British security services since the 7/7 bombings in 2005, as she unveiled a new counter-terrorism bill.

The foiled plots include a planned Mumbai-style gun attack, the planned murder of members of the armed forces, an attempt to bring down a plane, and an attempt to assassinate an ambassador.
The Home Secretary told a counter terrorism event in London that since April 2010, 753 people have been arrested on terrorism-related offences, while 212 people have been charged and 148 have been successfully prosecuted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/theresa-may-british-security-services-foiled-40-terror-plots-since-77-attacks-9879712.html



Britain has faced four major terrorist plots in the past year, three of them in the past few months alone, the head of MI5 has disclosed as he warned that the lethal threat from Islamist extremists, including those home-grown, has continued to grow at an unprecedented rate.

The security service is currently engaged in operations to counter ongoing attempts to stage atrocities, or “spectaculars”: some of them involve jihadists from this country who have been trained in Syria and Iraq to carry out murderous attacks like those which have claimed 13 lives in France in the past 24 hours


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/charlie-hebdo-attack-britain-faced-four-major-terror-plots-in-past-year-reveals-head-of-mi5-9966385.html


These threats are very real and yet you try to downplay their significance as if any loss of life is trivial, that is disgusting to even claim.

Theresa May has a pretty vivid imagination.  Police and authorities are always trying to enhance their stories so that (1) they make themselves look good; (2) they get more funding; and (3) they are serving a political agenda, such as trying to justify to their constituents why they are making the quality of life less enjoyable.

It's debatable whether totalitarian states make life more comfortable, but one thing you can always depend on: those in charge like them.

So you claim so based on no evidence and nothing more than hearsay.
You have to do better than that, there has been many attempts thwarted, many more convicted and sentenced they are documented, these are undisputed facts.
This is nothing to do with Totalitarianism but a simple fact there is many attempts at committing terrorism.
See below


9. ISIL has large numbers of fighters and substantial resources in parts of Syria and Iraq. Its propaganda repeatedly names Britain as an enemy, but how is it a threat to the UK?

10. Well, there are three ways, all of which we have already seen in practice:

a. I’ve already mentioned the first, which is the senseless and brutal murder of innocent Britons in the region. None of us need any reminder of that.
b. The second is that they are trying to direct terrorist attacks in the UK and elsewhere from Syria, using violent extremists here as their instruments.
c. And, third, they are seeking through propaganda to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here.


https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/about-us/who-we-are/staff-and-management/director-general/speeches-by-the-director-general/director-generals-speech-on-terrorism-technology-and-accountability.html


I take the views of experts not someone Quill as yourself who has not backed your view with any evidence but only your views, which come no where near the reality of the situation in the UK

Brasides wrote:9. ISIL has large numbers of fighters and substantial resources in parts of Syria and Iraq. Its propaganda repeatedly names Britain as an enemy, but how is it a threat to the UK?

How large? We don't deal in bullshit. I know they make a lot of noise on the Internet, but have you got the numbers?

Brisides wrote:10. Well, there are three ways, all of which we have already seen in practice:

a. I’ve already mentioned the first, which is the senseless and brutal murder of innocent Britons in the region. None of us need any reminder of that.

Police actions, at best. Like 9/11...a lot of noise, but only 19 individuals behind the whole thing.

Brasides wrote:b. The second is that they are trying to direct terrorist attacks in the UK and elsewhere from Syria, using violent extremists here as their instruments.

Um...says Theresa May, again?

Brasides wrote:c. And, third, they are seeking through propaganda to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here.

And you believe this...without benefit of any facts?

Brasides wrote:I take the views of experts not someone Quill as yourself who has not backed your view with any evidence but only your views, which come no where near the reality of the situation in the UK

What you do is take on the views of bullshitters. Experts my ass...they are cops, ffs. They have a stake in an adversarial process. Your 'experts' are pulling the wool over your eyes.

Original Quill wrote:

Brasides wrote:9. ISIL has large numbers of fighters and substantial resources in parts of Syria and Iraq. Its propaganda repeatedly names Britain as an enemy, but how is it a threat to the UK?

How large?  We don't deal in bullshit.  I know they make a lot of noise on the Internet, but have you got the numbers?

Brisides wrote:10. Well, there are three ways, all of which we have already seen in practice:

a. I’ve already mentioned the first, which is the senseless and brutal murder of innocent Britons in the region. None of us need any reminder of that.

Police actions, at best.  Like 9/11...a lot of noise, but only 19 individuals behind the whole thing.

Brasides wrote:b. The second is that they are trying to direct terrorist attacks in the UK and elsewhere from Syria, using violent extremists here as their instruments.

Um...says Theresa May, again?

Brasides wrote:c. And, third, they are seeking through propaganda to provoke individuals in the UK to carry out violent attacks here.

And you believe this...without benefit of any facts?

Brasides wrote:I take the views of experts not someone Quill as yourself who has not backed your view with any evidence but only your views, which come no where near the reality of the situation in the UK

What you do is take on the views of bullshitters.  Experts my ass...they are cops, ffs.  They have a stake in an adversarial process.  Your 'experts' are pulling the wool over your eyes.

No just more opinions with nothing to back them up and you clearly did not read the report by the MI5 based on sound intelligence and knowledge none of which you are privy to.
So how can you keep making claims, when you have nothing to back up your views.
They are guesses and poor ones at that to the reality of the situation on the ground.
For a start, do you know how many are residing in our jails for terrorist related offenses?
Do you even know the scale of the attempts made?
Do you even know how the intelligence was gathered to thwart so many attempts?
Now we have evidence and conclusive evidence of Terrorists being sentence for well over 40 attempts since 7/7. This is no small number and is one we have to praise the security services for their vigilance and skills in denying many attempts. which if they had not of done their job, we would be taking about countless people dead and injured where you would offer no defense, being as they had happened. Are you claiming now these were all made up and now Judges sentence them off no evidence?
Hence why your answers are poor and just nothing more than hearsay and poor ones that would place this country in danger and thank goodness we do not listen to your views on this.

Here is just some examples for you Quill of real attempts

Are you going to claim again it is all bullshit:

1. Ziamani sentenced for preparing terrorist acts

   
   
   20 Mar 2015
   A teenager convicted of preparing acts of terrorism has been sentenced to 22 years in prison.
   

2. Man convicted for role in Al-Qaida terror plot

   
   
   05 Mar 2015
   A Pakistani student has been found guilty in a US court of providing support to Al-Qaida and conspiring to use a destructive device.
   

3. Six men jailed for over 18 years each for plot to attack EDL

   
   
   10 Jun 2013
   The plotters of a failed attack on an English Defence League (EDL) rally in Dewsbury in June 2012 have today been jailed for a minimum of 18 years and 9 months each.
   

4. West Midlands men plead guilty to rally attack plot

   
   
   30 Apr 2013
   Six West Midlands men have pleaded guilty to terrorist charges after attempting to carry out an attack on an English Defence League rally on 30 June 2012.
   

5. Suicide bomb plotters sentenced to over 90 years' imprisonment

   
   
   26 Apr 2013
   Eleven men from Birmingham have been sentenced to terms of imprisonment ranging from 40 months to life for their involvement in a major terrorist plot.
   

6. Terrorist plotters jailed for 20 years after high-tech investigation

   
   
   25 Apr 2013
   Three London men have been jailed for a total of over 20 years for a series of terrorist offences.
   

7. Extremists jailed for plan to carry out terrorist attacks

   
   
   18 Apr 2013
   Four Luton men have been jailed for terrorist offences.
   

8. MI5 and police foil terrorist plot in West Midlands

   
   
   21 Feb 2013
   Three men from Birmingham have been convicted of 12 terrorist offences.
   

9. Submariner sentenced for breaching Official Secrets Act

   
   
   13 Dec 2012
   Royal Navy Petty Officer Edward Devenney has been sentenced to eight years' imprisonment for breaches of the Official Secrets Act.
   

10. Terrorist plotters sentenced to 94 years' imprisonment

    
    
    09 Feb 2012
    Nine men from London, Cardiff and Stoke-on-Trent have been sentenced for serious terrorist offences.
    

11. Conviction in airline terrorist plot

    
    
    01 Mar 2011
    An IT worker employed by British Airways has been found guilty of supplying information to Al Qaida terrorists in Yemen in support of a plot to target the airline industry. 31-year-old Rajib Karim also pleaded guilty to raising funds for Al Qaida, Jamaat-ul Mujahideen Bangladesh and other terrorist groups.
    

12. Extremist Internet video producer jailed for five years

    
    
    28 Feb 2011
    A 23-year-old man from Hornchurch, Essex, has been jailed for five years for creating terrorist videos which he posted on the Internet. He was convicted under the Terrorism Act 2006 on five counts of disseminating terrorist publications between March 2008 and February 2009.
    

13. Three men convicted of conspiracy to murder

    
    
    08 Jul 2010
    Three men who plotted to become suicide bombers and kill innocent members of the public were today found guilty of conspiracy to murder.
    

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/news/news-by-category/criminal-cases.html



Each one is a link you can go onto further details