Left-Wing Antisemitism

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Information on the role of extreme leftists in promoting hatred of Jews and denial of the Holocaust.

History

Tyler Cowen, The Socialist Roots of Modern Anti-Semitism
Extreme left-wing movements have often vilified Jews as capitalist exploiters.
Max Geltman, On Socialist Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Many of the founders of socialism peddled hatred of Jews.
David Cesarani, The Left and the Jews/The Jews and the Left [PDF]
Detailed study of extreme left-wing antisemitism.

Ideologies

W. H. Chaloner and W. O. Henderson, Marx/Engels and Racism [PDF]
The origins of Marxist antisemitism.
Werner Cohn, From Victim to Shylock and Oppressor: The New Image of the Jew in the Trotskyist Movement
How the Trotskyist movement became antisemitic.
Mark Strauss, Antiglobalism’s Jewish Problem
Dave Rich, The Barriers Come Down: Antisemitism and Coalitions of Extremes
The ideological convergence of far-left anti-capitalists and far-right antisemites.
Ben Cohen, The Ideological Foundations of the Boycott Campaign Against Israel [PDF]
Why extreme left-wing anti-Zionists are in the vanguard of antisemitic boycott campaigns.
Arieh Stav, Notes on the Dialectics of Israeli Antisemitism [PDF]
Paul Bogdanor, Jews Who Hate the Jewish State / Juden, die den jüdischen Staat hassen
Steven Plaut, The Scourge of Jewish Anti-Semites [PDF]
How anti-Zionist Jews promote antisemitism, often quite deliberately.

Countries

- Soviet Union/Russia

A. Mark Clarfield, The Soviet “Doctors’ Plot”: 50 Years On
Moshe Decter, “Judaism Without Embellishment”: Recent Documentation of Russian Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Thomas Land, Moscow and Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Stan Crooke, The Stalinist Roots of Left Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Soviet antisemitic campaigns during the Cold War.
Russian Communist Leader Denounces “Zionist Capital”
Russia’s communists are still fomenting hatred of Jews in the post-Soviet era.

- Britain

Ben Cohen, The Persistence of Anti-Semitism on the British Left
Excellent analysis of extreme left-wing incitement against Jews in Britain.
Alan Elsner, Race, Tolerance and the NUS [PDF]
Jewish Students Charge Left Groups With Anti-Semitism
Jewish Students Gagged at Leeds
Campus far-leftists, who once banned Jewish student groups, now silence protests against their own bigotry.
Leo McKinstry, [url=http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/8463/Leo McKinstryShame-on-the-left-and-its-vicious-hatred-of-Israel]Shame on the Left and its Vicious Hatred of Israel[/url]
Radical leftist intellectuals have played a crucial part in making antisemitism respectable in Britain.
Socialist Worker: Jews Killed Jesus
Michael Ezra, Anyone But Tom Hickey
The Socialist Workers Party defends antisemites and supports the violent destruction of Israel.
Oliver Kamm, Atzmon Watch / Atzmon, Mosley and Respect / Keeping the Faith / Respect and Antisemitism
David Hirsh, Openly Embracing Prejudice
Atzmon Slams “Jewish Tribal Activists”
Yaniv Halily, The Protocols of Gilad Atzmon
The British far left’s scandalous promotion of an ex-Israeli antisemite.
Eran Benedek, Britain’s Respect Party: The Leftist-Islamist Alliance and its Attitude Toward Israel
British far leftists tried and failed to unite with Islamic extremists on the basis of shared hatred for Americans and Jews.
Mark Gardner, Routledge’s Journal of Contemporary Leftist Anti-Semitism
Antisemitic diatribes in a journal issued by a respected academic publisher.

- Other

Jillian Becker, The Red Army Faction: Another Final Battle on the Stage of History [PDF]
Susanne Urban, Being Leftist and Anti-Semitic in Germany
Extreme left-wing activists in Germany demand the destruction of Israel and blame Jews for global capitalism.
Karl Pfeifer, “Israel Shamir” and the Austrian Left
Austrian socialists promote a Nazi fanatic.
In Spain, Anti-Semitism is New Leftist Trend
Radical leftist politicians in Spain vilify Jews.
Chavez: Israel Worse Than Hitler
Anti-Semitism in Venezuela: It is Planned
Venezuelan extreme leftists threaten that Jews “will undergo another Holocaust.”
Philip Mendes, New Manifestations of Anti-Zionist Fundamentalism on the Australian Left [PDF]
An Unholy Alliance
Australian campus ultra-leftists are so blatantly antisemitic that their Muslim allies are embarrassed by them.
IsraCampus / [url=http://www.isracampus.org.il/ALEF Watch.htm]AlefWatch[/url]
Documenting the antisemitism of totalitarian ultra-leftists in Israel.

Publications

Counterpunch
Counterpunch on Israel and 9/11
Jeff Weintraub, Lunacy About Darfur (in Monthly Review)
Robert Goldberg, Do the Right Thing
Documenting antisemitism on American ultra-leftist sites.
Kate Raynes-Goldie, Race Baiting
Antisemitic McCarthyism in a Canadian ultra-leftist magazine.

Non-Jewish Antisemites

Daniel Berrigan’s Speech to Arabs Stirs a Furor Over Award [PDF]
Report on the notorious diatribe by militant priest Daniel Berrigan.
Jason Maoz, Coffin’s Mideast Conformity
The antisemitic rhetoric of radical icon William Sloane Coffin.
Norman Podhoretz, Vidal’s Outburst: An Ominous New Stage in Anti-Semitism [PDF]
Deplores left-wing indifference to Gore Vidal’s infamous essay in The Nation.
William Grim, The Strange Case of Horst Mahler
How a founder of Germany’s Red Army Faction turned into a prominent Nazi.
Mr. Nader’s Baiting
Ralph Nader warns that the Israeli “puppeteer” controls the White House and Congress.
Norway up in Arms After Author Asserts Israel Has Lost Right to Exist
Jostein Gaarder’s vicious outburst against “God’s chosen people.”
David Hirsh, John Wight, Organizer of Edinburgh Stop the War Coalition, Pushes Antisemitism
What is Going on in the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign?
British ultra-leftists cite neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers, blame “international Jewry” for the “hydra-headed monster” of Zionism, equate Judaism with Nazism and justify the murder of Jewish teenagers.
Geoffrey Alderman, An Old Enmity
Keith Dovkants, Anti-Semitism – and a Timely Question For Ken
Mayor Culpa [PDF]
The shocking record of former London Mayor Ken Livingstone and his antisemitic Trotskyist allies.

Jewish Antisemites

- North America

Rachel Neuwirth, The Chomsky File
The sordid record of the cult leader’s involvement with Jew-hatred.
Norman G. Finkelstein, Interview: A Man Sees Red
Norman G. Finkelstein, Interview: “Jews Are Immune From Any Kind of Criticism”
Deborah Passner, Norman Finkelstein’s Fraudulent Scholarship
Paul Bogdanor, Exchange: The Scholarship of Norman Finkelstein
Noam Chomsky’s disciple Norman G. Finkelstein dismisses the Holocaust as an extortion racket against Germany, says that Jews run America, compares Israelis with Nazis, justifies al-Qaeda, champions Hezbollah, speaks alongside Hamas supporters and gives interviews to Holocaust deniers.
Jonathan Kay, Trent University’s Problem Professor
Philosopher Michael Neumann admits to encouraging vicious antisemitism and the destruction of Israel.
Jeffrey Blankfort’s Hate Message
Sixties veteran Jeffrey Blankfort blames Zionism for the Holocaust and describes the existence of Israel as a “cancer” that threatens the future of the planet.
University of Michigan Distributes Anti-Zionist Book
According to former Green Party Senate candidate Joel Kovel, “the power-Jews have restored nothing so much as Moloch, the child-devouring shadow-form of Yahweh.”
David Hirsh, “I Get Accused of Antisemitism Because I Criticize Israel”
Academic activist Jennifer Loewenstein castigates the “the Neo-Jewish Masters and their allies in the United States” for the ritual sacrifice of human beings as a “burnt offering.”

- Europe/Australia

Banned Mag Storm [PDF]
The British magazine Return, edited by Uri Davis, Tony Greenstein and Roland Rance, equated Zionism and Judaism with Nazism. Jewish students and national student leaders condemned it as antisemitic.
Paul Bogdanor, The Mark Elf Files
British blogger Mark Elf portrays Zionists as ritual child-murderers and bloodthirsty psychopaths, looks forward to Israel’s destruction and warns that the world’s Jews are “heading for a disaster” thanks to their “grotesque culture of deceit.”
Jewish Pro-Palestinian in Hot Water For “Satanic” Israel Jibe
Boycott campaigner Deborah Fink regards the Jewish state as “Satanic.”
Michael Ezra, From Cranks to Clowns
Britain’s Jewish antisemites are now accusing each other of lying and bigotry.
Collaboration With the PLO: The Case of Abraham Melzer
German Court Rules on “Kosher Anti-Semitism”
Abraham Melzer, a publisher who sought funding from the PLO, and Hajo Meyer, an Auschwitz survivor who belittles the importance of the Holocaust, are Jewish antisemites according to the German courts.
Philip Mendes, Denying the Jewish Experience of Oppression: The Jewish Anti-Zionism of John Docker
Cultural critic John Docker inveighs against “Zionist control of the Australian media.”

- Israel

Steven Plaut, Uri Avnery Finds a “Fascist”
The fascist background of Israel’s most notorious PLO apologist.
Jonathan Rosenblum, An Israel Prize For Wagner?
The murderous rhetoric of Yigal Tumarkin and his comrades.
Paul Bogdanor, The Abominable Dr. Shahak
Paul Bogdanor, [url=http://www.isracampus.org.il/third level pages/Editorial - Paul Bogdanor - Israel Shahak.htm]The Legacy of Israel Shahak[/url]
Werner Cohn, Shahak: The Jews Are Bad!
Jason Maoz, The Wicked Son
The Blood Libels of Israel’s worst antisemite.
Alan Dershowitz, Neve Gordon Can’t Take Criticism
Susan L. Rosenbluth, Accusations of Slander, Plagiarism and Holocaust Revisionism [PDF]
Susan L. Rosenbluth, Prof Steven Plaut’s Appeal Reverses Earlier Ruling [PDF]
Neve Gordon defended the killers of Jewish children and then resorted to a Holocaust-denying judge to silence his critic Steven Plaut.
Steven Plaut, A Second Blood Libel Anti-Semite From Israeli Academia
Yehiam Sorek offers his support to discredited Blood Libel historian Ariel Toaff.

Left-Wing Holocaust Denial

Pierre Vidal-Naquet, The Fantastic Calculations of Paul Rassinier
French socialist Paul Rassinier was one of the first Holocaust deniers.
Pierre Vidal-Naquet, On La Vieille Taupe and Cannibalism
The far-left outfit La Vieille Taupe – led by Pierre Guillaume and Serge Thion – became a major source of Holocaust denial propaganda.
Abraham H. Foxman, Letter to The Nation
The Nation is caught running an ad for Holocaust deniers.
Oliver Kamm, Chomsky’s Outlets
Kamm exposes a Holocaust denier at Z Magazine.
Denying the Denial
CounterPunch has promoted and defended Holocaust deniers.
Professor Disputes Holocaust
Holocaust denial by 9/11 conspiracy theorist Jane Christensen.
Holocaust Denial on University of Haifa Chat List
Anti-Zionist Miriam Reik posts material supporting Holocaust deniers on an extreme leftist Israeli discussion list.
Adam Holland, Oregon “Peace” Group to Mark Kristallnacht With Holocaust Denial Conference
Oregon campus ultra-leftists commemorate an infamous Nazi pogrom by hosting an infamous Nazi apologist.

The “Zionist-Nazi Conspiracy” Myth

- History

US Holocaust Memorial Museum, Jewish Aid and Rescue
How Zionists saved tens of thousands of Jews from the Nazis.
Joint Emergency Committee, Program For the Rescue of Jews From Nazi-Occupied Europe
Zionist rescue demands during the Holocaust.
Zionists Debate Rescue of Hungarian Jews
Jewish Agency Receives Offer to Trade Jews for Trucks
The Brand Mission: Messages From the Jewish Agency [PDF]
Zionist Rescue Efforts: Records From the Eichmann Trial
Zionist attempts to save the Jews of Hungary.

- Origins

Soviet Antisemites on the Holocaust
The communist propaganda campaign blaming Zionists for the Holocaust.
Jacob Gewirtz, The Lie of Zionist-Nazi Collaboration [PDF]
Inevitably, the propaganda campaign inspired antisemites everywhere.
Sever Plocker, Zizek and the Zionist-Nazi Alliance
Former Yugoslav intellectual Slavoj Zizek has attempted to revive the conspiracy myth.
Sean Matgamna, With Hitler on the Road to Samara
A sane Marxist points out that the conspiracy myth is itself reminiscent of Nazi antisemitic propaganda.

- Lenni Brenner

C. C. Aronsfeld, Review of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators [PDF]
Louis Harap, “Zionist-Nazi Collaboration” Refuted: Lenni Brenner’s Trickery Exposed [PDF]
Michael Ezra, A Disputation With a Disputer
American Trotskyist Lenni Brenner echoed the Stalinist propaganda line on the Holocaust.
Brenner’s Complaint [PDF]
Bad Boy Brenner [PDF]
Mrs Brenner’s Boy [PDF]
Diatribe Against America, Jews and Israel
Lenni Brenner’s record of antisemitic activism.

- Jim Allen

A Curtain Call For Courting Perdition [PDF]
David Pryce-Jones, The Perdition Affair [PDF]
John O’Mahoney and Tony Greenstein, Exchange: The Perdition Affair [PDF]
Michael Ezra, Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign Remembers the Holocaust by Blaming the “Zionists”
Stan Crooke, “Anti-Zionist” Play Will Mark Holocaust Memorial Day
British Trotskyist Jim Allen promoted the conspiracy myth in his virulently antisemitic play Perdition.

- Tony Greenstein

Paul Bogdanor, Tony Greenstein and the Nazi Apologists
Michael Ezra, Questions For Tony Greenstein
Michael Ezra, Anti-Racists Against Anti-Zionists
Michael Ezra, Tony Greenstein: More Errors Than Paragraphs
British Trotskyist Tony Greenstein spreads falsehoods about Zionism and the Holocaust while praising antisemites and Nazi apologists.
Nigel Savage, Letter: Tony Greenstein [PDF]
Paul Bogdanor, Atzmon Versus Greenstein
Exchange: Greenstein, Stalin, Hitler
Exchange: Tony Greenstein on Mass Murder and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Tony Greenstein’s unique approach to fighting antisemitism includes the accusation that “Zionist groups... are seeking to replicate what the Protocols described.”

Other Holocaust Falsifiers

Jacob Robinson, The Arendt Book: A Report on the Evil of Banality [PDF]
Morris U. Schappes, The Strange World of Hannah Arendt [PDF]
Gertrude Ezorsky, Hannah Arendt Against the Facts
Walter Laqueur, Re-Reading Hannah Arendt
Michael Ezra, The Eichmann Polemics: Hannah Arendt and Her Critics [PDF]
Seth J. Frantzman, Confronting Hannah Arendt
Hannah Arendt – whose mentor was a fascist collaborator – pretended that Adolf Eichmann’s ideology was Zionism rather than Nazism and blamed his Jewish victims for millions of deaths during the Holocaust. Her infamous book was repeatedly exposed as a litany of falsehoods.
Goal Pinto, The Specialist is Almost Entirely a Perverse Fraud
Anti-Zionist filmmaker Eyal Sivan produced a thoroughly misleading documentary on the Eichmann trial.
Alvin H. Rosenfeld, The Assault on Holocaust Memory [PDF]
Dave Rich, The Left and the Holocaust
Dave Rich, Holocaust Denial as an Anti-Zionist and Anti-Imperialist Tool For the European Far Left
Michael Ezra, The Abuse of Holocaust Memory: The Far Right, the Far Left and the Middle East
The extreme left’s Blood Libels about “Zionist-Nazi collaboration,” “the Holocaust industry,” etc.
Allan J. Lichtman, The Terrible Whys of German History
Richard Breitman, A Nazi Crusade?
The ideological fictions of historian Arno Mayer, who pretended that the Holocaust was an unplanned result of the invasion of the Soviet Union and that most of the victims died from “natural” causes.
Shraga Elam and David Irving
Anti-Zionists “Debate” Hitler’s Guilt
Anti-Zionist Shraga Elam sends a friendly message to Holocaust denier David Irving in which he denies Hitler’s responsibility for Auschwitz. Then he debates the subject with his fellow Israel-haters.
Paul Bogdanor, David Stannard, Ward Churchill and the Holocaust
Other far-left pseudo-scholars who publish falsehoods about the Holocaust.

Cass wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Cass wrote:neither veya or anyone else here is anti-semetic.

You are excusing racism Cass.
He just tried to deny Jewish peoplke their identity.
That is racism.
If this had been smelly denying the identity of blacks you would have been the first to cry wolf on racism and yet here when there is a very clear case of racism by some of the left you make the worst excuses.
This is why I am so disgusted by some of the left where here you try to defend racists.
I have shown countless evidence to what antisemitism is and to deny the identity of the Jewish people is racism.
Sassy is the worst antisemitic on here and if you cannot see her cause folr people to hate Israeli Jews, then you are as blind as a bat and you excuse thise racism out of liking them, that is disgusting
Stop defending racism

I don't excuse racism. ever.

we have nothing more to discuss. good day

thanks Cass
good to know that people of intelligence can follow the difference between the nation of Israel and Judaism...


And this is also what i mean by Brasidas not helping his cause by attacking every one straight away for the slightest criticism of Israel

Brasidas wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:As far as reading all these threads, they're becoming a little same-y

Well discrimination and racism may not mean much to you Ben, as for years I have been countering this with huge passion, as to me if you allow such hate to stand it only grows worse. So the threads may be the same to you, but to me it is a daily struggle to combat such hate which everyone should champion.

Yes, I remember it well. Useless Jocks wasn't that the term you used. And don't kid yourself it was banter. In the eyes of the law that makes you a racist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8678475/Postman-who-called-Andy-Murray-useless-jock-is-convicted-of-racism.html

What about Aussie twat?

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Well discrimination and racism may not mean much to you Ben, as for years I have been countering this with huge passion, as to me if you allow such hate to stand it only grows worse. So the threads may be the same to you, but to me it is a daily struggle to combat such hate which everyone should champion.

Yes, I remember it well. Useless Jocks wasn't that the term you used. And don't kid yourself it was banter. In the eyes of the law that makes you a racist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8678475/Postman-who-called-Andy-Murray-useless-jock-is-convicted-of-racism.html

What about Aussie twat?

You still failing to understand the combination of crimes.I suggest you read that case again Irn as he would have never have been convicted on the Jock part alone, and it was certainly more the vandalism which was the far greater criminality here. I suggest you read up on the law on this instead of yet again trying to poorly and quite pathetically steer the thread away from the points at hand.
It is getting so predictable your debating tactics, it is hardly worth my effort to reply, your counters are so childish

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Well discrimination and racism may not mean much to you Ben, as for years I have been countering this with huge passion, as to me if you allow such hate to stand it only grows worse. So the threads may be the same to you, but to me it is a daily struggle to combat such hate which everyone should champion.

Yes, I remember it well. Useless Jocks wasn't that the term you used. And don't kid yourself it was banter. In the eyes of the law that makes you a racist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8678475/Postman-who-called-Andy-Murray-useless-jock-is-convicted-of-racism.html

What about Aussie twat?

You still failing to understand the combination of crimes.I suggest you read that case again Irn as he would have never have been convicted on the Jock part alone, and it was certainly more the vandalism which was the far greater criminality here. I suggest you read up on the law on this instead of yet again trying to poorly and quite pathetically steer the thread away from the points at hand.
It is getting so predictable your debating tactics, it is hardly worth my effort to reply, your counters are so childish

Racially aggravated language Didge - plain and simple. There's no need for it.

veya_victaous wrote:

Cass wrote:

I don't excuse racism. ever.

we have nothing more to discuss. good day

thanks Cass  
good to know that people of intelligence can follow the difference between the nation of Israel and Judaism...


And this is also what i mean by Brasidas not helping his cause by attacking every one straight away for the slightest criticism of Israel  

You see there again you fail to understand what antisemitism is:

hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

You see I understand racism extremely well have fought against it for years and hence why even now you fail to understand what antisemitism is, If you dislike Israeli Jews, you would be antisemitic also

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

You still failing to understand the combination of crimes.I suggest you read that case again Irn as he would have never have been convicted on the Jock part alone, and it was certainly more the vandalism which was the far greater criminality here. I suggest you read up on the law on this instead of yet again trying to poorly and quite pathetically steer the thread away from the points at hand.
It is getting so predictable your debating tactics, it is hardly worth my effort to reply, your counters are so childish

Racially aggravated language Didge - plain and simple. There's no need for it.

Well for one you know very well it was banter between us, hence why I see when you are desperate to steer away the topic of the debate. Now stop wasting my time with your childish antics.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

You still failing to understand the combination of crimes.I suggest you read that case again Irn as he would have never have been convicted on the Jock part alone, and it was certainly more the vandalism which was the far greater criminality here. I suggest you read up on the law on this instead of yet again trying to poorly and quite pathetically steer the thread away from the points at hand.
It is getting so predictable your debating tactics, it is hardly worth my effort to reply, your counters are so childish

Racially aggravated language Didge - plain and simple. There's no need for it.

Well for one you know very well it was banter between us, hence why I see when you are desperate to steer away the topic of the debate. Now stop wasting my time with your childish antics.

No, it wasn't banter. It was uncontrolled anger - something you are prone to at times and that was one of them.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Well for one you know very well it was banter between us, hence why I see when you are desperate to steer away the topic of the debate. Now stop wasting my time with your childish antics.

No, it wasn't banter. It was uncontrolled anger - something you are prone to at times and that was one of them.

It was very much banter, I should know, more than anyone because it is me using this, again you are not nor will ever be an expert at psychology. Now stop being a child and poorly deflecting this debate in your poor defense of two antisemitic's.

no just Israel, Judaism (the religion) and Semitics (the ethnicity) are separate things. Israel seeks to align itself with them for protection BUT IT IS NOT THEM and does not deserve the protection afforded to them, IF it is a secular nation and needs to be treated as such and open to condemnation for it's action just like any other nation.

I don't think there is anything more wrong with Judaism than either other abrahamic religion

And anti-Semitic mean against Semitics

a branch or subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and such ancient languages as Akkadian and Phoenician

a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.

irony there are Black Semitics being discriminated against by Israel so are they Anti Semitic because they discriminate against a group of Semitics ?

veya_victaous wrote:no just Israel,  Judaism (the religion) and Semitics (the ethnicity) are separate things. Israel seeks to align itself with them for protection BUT IT IS NOT THEM and does not deserve the protection afforded to them, IF it is a secular nation and needs to be treated as such and open to condemnation for it's action just like any other nation.

I don't think there is anything more wrong with Judaism than either other abrahamic religion

And anti-Semitic mean against Semitics

a branch or subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and such ancient languages as Akkadian and Phoenician  

a subfamily of Afroasiatic languages that includes Akkadian, Arabic, Aramaic, Ethiopic, Hebrew, and Phoenician.

irony there are Black Semitics being discriminated against by Israel so are they Anti Semitic because they discriminate against a group of Semitics ?

They are not separate things, which shows you have no understanding what antisemitism is:


Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism


Okay in your instance I will forgive your antisemitism on the grounds of ignorance.
If a Black Jew is being discriminated against by a Jew it is still antisemitism if they are denied their ethnic and religious identity. This is why it is very possible for a Jew to be antisemitic also

Ben_Reilly wrote:As far as reading all these threads, they're becoming a little same-y

That's not very fair ben. Some posters on here are passionate about certain topics.
We can all be guity of that.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:As far as reading all these threads, they're becoming a little same-y

That's not very fair ben. Some posters on here are passionate about certain topics.
We can all be guity of that.

Well I have to go and thanks for the debates Eddie, as always it was interesting.

Night everyone

Semitics don't have to be Jewish they are just one group of Semitics, given they are also the group of Semitics that have had the most interaction with the west but they are not the only ones technically a lot of Coptic are also Semitics as well as Ethiopians

this is the point ethnicity and religion are separate from a secular nation.
trying to say they are the same is discriminating against other Semitics. and by definition of secular it cannot be hand in hand with a religion.


Also to be fair to the ethnicities that suffered under the British we should apply the same rules that if you are less than a sixteenth of that ethnicity you cannot legally claim it. (remember if you can claim aboriginal ethnicity you are entitled to a $250 a week payment, so the legality does matter)
Since some European Jews have less than a sixteenth of Semitic blood lines (Jewish mother and non Jewish father can be a Jew) Judaism is logically a religion.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:As far as reading all these threads, they're becoming a little same-y

That's not very fair ben. Some posters on here are passionate about certain topics.
We can all be guity of that.

I know, but all these Jewish threads are making crave rye-bread sandwiches and potato cakes.

I have to admit it does feel a bit same-ish but at the same time not much of interest of debate in the news otherwise.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Well for one you know very well it was banter between us, hence why I see when you are desperate to steer away the topic of the debate. Now stop wasting my time with your childish antics.

No, it wasn't banter. It was uncontrolled anger - something you are prone to at times and that was one of them.

It was very much banter, I should know, more than anyone because it is me using this, again you are not nor will ever be an expert at psychology. Now stop being a child and poorly deflecting this debate in your poor defense of two antisemitic's.

No Didge, it was not banter and there is no need for that sort of language. When you use it it's banter but when it's anyone else it's racially aggravated language. I don't think you are a racist but I'm afraid that the law does.

Some champion you are.

Yet again, Didge does not ever understand who semitic people are.

Origin of the term

A Semite is a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples, mostly originating in the Near East, including: Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Ammonites, Amorites, Arameans, Chaldeans, Canaanites (including Hebrews/Israelites/Jews/Samaritans and Phoenicians/Carthaginians), Eblaites, Dilmunites, Edomites, Amalekites, Turukku, Ethiopian Semites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maltese, Mandaeans, Mhallami, Moabites, Shebans, Meluhhans, Maganites, Ubarites, Sabians and Ugarites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn's "Repertorium", vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his "Einleitung in das Alte Testament" (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his "Geschichte der neuen Sprachenkunde", pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[3]

The word "Semitic" is derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in Genesis 5, Genesis 6, Genesis 10, or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite.

The concept of "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. In an effort to categorise the peoples known to them, those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their supposed forefather Shem.

In Genesis 10:21–31, Shem is described as the father of Aram, Ashur, and Arpachshad: the Biblical ancestors of the Arabs, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Chaldeans, Sabaeans, and Hebrews, etc., all of whose languages are fairly closely related; the language family containing them was therefore named "Semitic" by linguists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people

Although Israel has tried to get the term to refer solely to them, for their own ends, Palestinians are semitic people as well.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

That's not very fair ben. Some posters on here are passionate about certain topics.
We can all be guity of that.

I know, but all these Jewish threads are making crave rye-bread sandwiches and potato cakes.

they're called Latkes

Chicken soup, my grandmothers answer to all ills lol

veya_victaous wrote:Semitics don't have to be Jewish they are just one group of Semitics, given they are also the group of Semitics that have had the most interaction with the west but they are not the only ones technically a lot of Coptic are also Semitics as well as Ethiopians  

this is the point ethnicity and religion are separate from a secular nation.
trying to say they are the same is discriminating against other Semitics. and by definition of secular it cannot be hand in hand with a religion.


Also to be fair to the ethnicities that suffered under the British we should apply the same rules that if you are less than a sixteenth of that ethnicity you cannot legally claim it. (remember if you can claim aboriginal ethnicity you are entitled to a $250 a week payment, so the legality does matter)
Since some European Jews have less than a sixteenth of Semitic blood lines (Jewish mother and non Jewish father can be a Jew) Judaism is logically a religion.

This thread is about antisemitism, which is about Jews, thus then you are also being antisemitic if your racism is directed at Jews, it is very simple to understand, which it seem you are incapable of understanding and hence why it is your ignorance and also as seen why Sassy is completely as ignorant and as racist as to why you both fail to understand that you are antisemitic.
Now you can keep avoiding the very point that Jews are a nationality, a race, an ethnicity and a religion.
So when it comes to antisemitism there is no separation and hence why again you fail to understand what antisemitism is, where your antisemitism is based around denying Jews their identity.
So as seen both of you are as racist as far right's and what is worse is both fail to understand what racism is against Jews. Antisemitism is one form of being antisemitic, now I can break it down further for you both to understand but it really proves why some of the left are utterly clueless and also racist.

No I have no problem with Semitics I have a problem with Israel.
YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND Israel IS just one Semitic group, Having a problem with 1 of a group does not mean you have a problem with the whole group.

Anti-semitism is not about JEWS!!! EXCEPT according to Jews that are also Racists trying to deny Ethiopians Palestinians and all the other Semitic ethnicities their Rightful name.

You are anti-Semitic because you Keep calling Ethiopians Jews when they are not Jews or Israelis they are Semitic Ethiopians.

Typical RW racist You care about the RICH people with money and literally tell all the poor Coptic and Ethiopians to go fuck themselves, you are not even willing to admit they are MORE Semitic than modern Israel as they never left the area
http://thebilzerianreport.com/jewish-israelis-are-the-worst-anti-semites-on-the-planet/

In strict accordance with the definition, Jewish Americans and Jewish Israelis are the most anti-Semitic people in the world today. This fact first became evident when the Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) poll in 2007 which found that 66% of Israeli teens believe Arabs are less intelligent, uncultured, and violent. Fifty percent of the Israelis taking the poll said they would not share an apartment with an Arab, befriend an Arab or let their kids befriend Arabs, or even let Arabs into their homes. A poll taken by the ACRI in 2008 found that these trends were increasing. Another poll taken in 2007, by the Center Against Racism found that 75% of Israeli Jews did not approve of Jews living in the same apartment buildings as Arabs, and that more than 50% of Jews would not have an Arab boss and thought that marrying an Arab was tantamount to national treason. Fifty percent of Israelis also thought Arabs should not be allowed in the same entertainment sites and 40% wanted Arab’s voting rights rescinded. Another survey conducted in 2012 revealed that most Israelis were in favor of apartheid.

When black African Jews returned to Israel in 1969 under the Right of Return Act, the government ruled that they were not real Jews and therefore did not qualify for citizenship or any legal status

in 2012 the only nation committing eugenic genocide against a group of Semitics WAS ISRAEL

The Israeli government has even been caught attempting to sterilize Semitic Ehtiopan Jews by giving them the controversial birth control, Depo-Provera, without warning them of the potential side effects. Ethiopian Jews are less than 1% of Israel’s population, but yet account for 60% of the women on Depo-Provera. The side effects are quite severe, including pain in the hands and back, heavy bleeding, and in some cases permanent sterilization.

If you have a problem with Israel just like if you had a problem with an ethnic group that would be racist, if you discriminate against their people it is quite simple Veya.

Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism


This is why you left wing extremists are the worst racists going where you fail to even understand racial discrimination.
So what we have to clarify is some simple points.
Is your view against Israeli's?
Is it only against Israeli Jews?
If you collectively dislike them, then that is racism.
Antisemitism is very much about Jews and shows how little you understand its history.

Ethiopian Jews are both Ethiopians and Jews, it is you being racist and antisemitic denying them their Jewish identity, where again:

Antisemitism (also spelled Anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as a national, ethnic, religious or racial group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

Learn your history of where antisemitism originated from Veya, as your ignorance and racism knows no limits it seems and you keep proving further what a racistyou are:



Origin and usage in the context of xenophobia
Etymology

The origin of "antisemitic" terminologies is found in responses of Moritz Steinschneider to the views of Ernest Renan. As Alex Bein writes "The compound anti-Semitism appears to have been used first by Steinschneider, who challenged Renan on account of his 'anti-Semitic prejudices' [i.e., his derogation of the "Semites" as a race]".[8] Avner Falk similarly writes: 'The German word antisemitisch was first used in 1860 by the Austrian Jewish scholar Moritz Steinschneider (1816-1907) in the phrase antisemitische Vorurteile (antisemitic prejudices). Steinschneider used this phrase to characterise the French philosopher Ernest Renan's false ideas about how "Semitic races" were inferior to "Aryan races"'.[9]

Pseudo-scientific theories concerning race, civilization, and "progress" had become quite widespread in Europe in the second half of the 19th century, especially as Prussian nationalistic historian Heinrich von Treitschke did much to promote this form of racism. He coined the phrase "the Jews are our misfortune" which would later be widely used by Nazis.[10] In Treitschke's writings "Semitic" was synonymous with "Jewish",[citation needed] in contrast to its use by Renan and others.
Cover page of Marr's The Way to Victory of Germanicism over Judaism, 1880 edition

In 1873 German journalist Wilhelm Marr published a pamphlet, Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet - "The Victory of the Jewish Spirit over the Germanic Spirit. Observed from a non-religious perspective."[11][page needed]&/or[need quotation to verify] in which he used the word Semitismus interchangeably with the word Judentum to denote both "Jewry" (the Jews as a collective) and "jewishness" (the quality of being Jewish, or the Jewish spirit).

This use of Semitismus was followed by a coining of "Antisemitismus" which was used to indicate opposition to the Jews as a people[citation needed] and opposition to the Jewish spirit, which Marr interpreted as infiltrating German culture. His next pamphlet, Der Weg zum Siege des Germanenthums über das Judenthum - "The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit", (1880), presents a development of Marr's ideas further and may present the first published use of the German word Antisemitismus, "antisemitism".

The pamphlet became very popular, and in the same year he founded the Antisemiten-Liga (League of Antisemites),[12] the first German organization committed specifically to combating the alleged threat to Germany and German culture posed by the Jews and their influence, and advocating their forced removal from the country.

So far as can be ascertained, the word was first widely printed in 1881, when Marr published Zwanglose Antisemitische Hefte, and Wilhelm Scherer used the term Antisemiten in the January issue of Neue Freie Presse.

The Jewish Encyclopedia reported: ‘In February 1881, a correspondent of the “Allgemeine Zeitung des Judenthums” speaks of “Anti-Semitism” as a designation which recently came into use (“Allg. Zeit. d. Jud.” 1881, p. 138). On 19 July 1882, the editor says, “This quite recent Anti-Semitism is hardly three years old.”’[13]

The related term "Philo-Semitism" was coined around 1885

Further education for the left wing extremist racists:


The history of antisemitism – defined as hostile actions or discrimination against Jews as a religious or ethnic group – goes back many centuries; antisemitism has been called "the longest hatred."[1] Jerome Chanes identifies six stages in the historical development of antisemitism:

Pre-Christian anti-Judaism in ancient Greece and Rome which was primarily ethnic in nature
Christian antisemitism in antiquity and the Middle Ages which was religious in nature and has extended into modern times
Traditional Muslim antisemitism which was—at least in its classical form—nuanced, in that Jews were a protected class
Political, social and economic antisemitism of Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Europe which laid the groundwork for racial antisemitism
Racial antisemitism that arose in the 19th century and culminated in Nazism
Contemporary antisemitism which has been labeled by some as the New Antisemitism[2]

Chanes suggests that these six stages could be merged into three categories: "ancient antisemitism, which was primarily ethnic in nature; Christian antisemitism, which was religious; and the racial antisemitism of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries."[3]

In practice, it is difficult to differentiate antisemitism from the general ill-treatment of nations by other nations before the Roman period, but since the adoption of Christianity in Europe, antisemitism has undoubtedly been present. The Islamic world has also seen the Jews historically as outsiders. The coming of the scientific and industrial revolution in 19th-century Europe bred a new manifestation of antisemitism, based as much upon race as upon religion, culminating in the horrors of the Nazi extermination camps of World War II. The formation of the state of Israel in 1948 has created new antisemitic tensions in the Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism

For the education of the racists here:


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/102301.pdf

http://www.report-it.org.uk/files/hate_crime_operational_guidance.pdf

http://www.antisem.org/london-declaration/

http://www.un.org/pga/220115_informal-meeting-anti-semitism/

@sassy. apologies meant to post what lovely pictures of your family last night but I was tahred (say it in a southern accent!) thank you for sharing. from what I remember of when you had your recent picture up you don't half like like yer mum. 8th Malteser indeed lol. x

Thanks Cass, nice of you to say so. x