Nuclear expert Arnie Gundersen warns of 'Chernobyl on steroids' risk in UK from proposed Cumbria plant

risingsun wrote:If we have brains that can produce nuclear energy, with all it's problems, we have brains that can work on sustainable energy from tides, dams, wind and solar.   No house should be built without solar, and it is now possible to have individual wind turbines.   There are all kinds of new designs.

ahh I see ....back to the old "fox hunting" problem ............lots of "problems no solutions"

individual wind turbines are pointless they produce less that 500 watts in general....pathetically inefficient at low levels and horribly dangeous at high levels

agreed no house should be built without solar....BUT at what cost...and "who's" electricity is it? little use to the "average" member of the public....(remember they dont genrate at night and are only 25% efficient over winter months, what to do with the excess energy....during the day.???
(we DONT have that many suitable sites for "pump storage" and anyway how many villages are you prepared to ruin and how many people see given 50% of the REAL market value of their home when you flood the next valley to "dam"?




They even have them over roads now for street lighting.

every little helps.....



We have the wit, we just need to get on and do.  We have been producing electicity by damning for a long time.


very very little..

risingsun wrote:No Victor, I'm saying the designs are coming on by leaps and bounds, and if idiot deniers had got their fingers out years ago we wouldn't be having to worry about it now.  As for the individual ones being useless, many farms in America produce their own power that way and they are too far from a national source.

what part of the difference between a farm on the prarie in america that can put a windmill up 300 foot if it wants without being a danger to anyone ....and your average suburban box and pocket hankerchief didnt you just see???

Community wind farms in many countries are producing their own electricity already: untill the wind stops for a few days....oh and who pays for these "community wind farms" ummm

who pays the capital cost
the running costs
the distribution costs
the costs of the (very ) necessary switching berween that wind farm and the "national supply"?

then...you have to pay for the electricity

welcome to the world of "power" (literally) to he who can afford it (or is smart enough to arrange his own)

Note in every case thes "coomunity projects "ONLY exist because they get "tax breaks" and allowances....note also that the relative price compared to centrally generated is not mentioned....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_wind_energy

veya_victaous wrote:http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_27720343/solarcity-launches-microgrids-tesla-batteries-protect-communities-from

Tesla car manufacturer is now making batteries for houses to counter the issues victor has put up.

Yay  Technology finds a solution already

risingsun wrote:Actually they are not that big, and they power the whole farm, I am talking about just power one single house.



http://www.greentechgazette.com/index.php/wind-energy/home-helical-wind-turbine-unveiled-in-poughkeepsie-ny/

The ideas keep coming in all the time, leaps and bounds.

risingsun wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_27720343/solarcity-launches-microgrids-tesla-batteries-protect-communities-from

Tesla car manufacturer is now making batteries for houses to counter the issues victor has put up.

Yay  Technology finds a solution already

Whoop whoop, said we had the brain power, all we needed was the application of it.

West Australian government has approved plans to build a 40MW tidal power station in the West Kimberley, paving the way for the development of the state’s first such utility-scale ocean energy plant.

veya_victaous wrote:I do have to support victor in that wind is very inefficient/unreliable means of power generation.

in the UK I would have thought tidal power generator woudl be the solution

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/40mw-tidal-energy-plant-approved-for-wa-15470

West Australian government has approved plans to build a 40MW tidal power station in the West Kimberley, paving the way for the development of the state’s first such utility-scale ocean energy plant.

risingsun wrote:You don't get it do you Victor, this is just the beginning.  Finally it's being worked on, and they are getting better.  People didn't just give up before they started, they got their finger out and began designing.  Step by step, it will come, and if deniers had not tried to stop it, we would be a lot further down the line now.

darknessss wrote:AND...you lefties mad immigration rush aint helping

you do realise that EVERY individual imported adds another (approx) 50kw hrs to the energy requirements PER DAY?

in total...to include not only personal power consumption but also for satifying basic needs like food water sewerage and so on.....

fact fossil fuels will run out (or get to the point of being uneconomic ) long before these "alternatives" become both physically and economically viable on a large scale

veya_victaous wrote:@dark

fact fossil fuels will run out (or get to the point of being uneconomic ) long before these "alternatives" become both physically and economically viable on a large scale

that is straight up not true

If Australia was not a coal exporter(thus we have lots and it is cheap)  we have already reached the tipping point where for us it would be possible to just use solar (given that we do have a smaller need and easier generation than the UK)
Leaps and bounds          a solar cell today generates over 20 times more power per square centimetre than 20 years ago.

risingsun wrote:In your view Victor darlin, not in mine lol.   I'm gonna giggle tonight thinking of you muttering into your beard !

risingsun wrote:Nope, I believe we have some very clever people working on it, and if we can produce nuclear fusion we can produce wave, wind and solar power.  And looking how far we have come with it, in a climate of putting it down all the time, with people pushing it, it will go much further, much quicker.

veya_victaous wrote:lolz
This is why i like you darkness you act like a grumpy old git

then you say things that show in real life you a green power generating, protect the weak and respect/protect nature sort of guy

you're like a reverse of this smiley