How the Conservative have been trying to brainwash children into becoming cannon fodder

The Armed Forces - Propanda in the Classroom for children as young as 5.

If I had a child in school at the moment, this would make me VERY concerned.

If Eddie is about, would like her opinion on this.

So is Sassy claiming all members (both now and throughout history) of the British Armed Forces as Cannon foddeer.?
The video is nothing short of comical because it is making a pacisfict view as if to say that having an armed force for defence is wrong for a nation and that we should not have knowledge of our armed forces and children to be ignorant of this.
It is trying to make a moral and ethical argument that as this video clearly must believe the nation should have no armed forces or at least argue this in the pamphlet. As this is the only view that can fit a claim to propaganda. If you want to go down this route you then might as well claim the Bible and Quran should not also be taught in school because it is propaganda and there is no critical views taught in schools about these religion works and the faith itself. Hence the whole video was born from the worst incompetance, as basing a view on a concept of propaganda would then make many other things taught in school as propaganda. Do you want to see holy works banned from school because religious teaching only gives and understand on them and not a critical view? There is a very proud tradition to the armed forces where even more so locally with areas rich with traditions. The army recruiters have been going to schools for donkey years tgrying to recruit doing excatly what is shown in this pamphlet. A recruiter is not going to give a critical view of the role, that would be absurd. It is down to the school to proviide different opinions based around concepts of pacifism, etc. History gives the critical and positive views of any armies in history. Politics provides critical views from one end of the spectrum to spend no money to the other of way too much. Philosophu on pacifism.
This idiotic video fails to see this booklet is basically replacing the need of many human recruiters. It is not meant to provide anything else but an understanding of the armed forces and promotes rightly a proud tradition British armed Forces.

I am not sure I have seen pamphlets on joininmg the medical profession in schools have any critical views of the medical profession let alone the problems of cost with drugs etc. Seriously what a non-starter thread based on a conjectiuve view on the rights of the armed forces to recruit in schools. The video is bascially saying


More stupid PC for you.

That may be fine for children in secondary school who are starting to think about a career but in primary school, children should first and foremost be focused on their education and development. They will learn much about Britain's military history anyway in their lessons so need to push this at them at such a young age.

Absolutely agree. Do they tell them about being blown to pieces, or PTS Disorder, and maybe ending up in a wheelchair etc. No they don't, and I sure as hell would not want this propaganda aimed at any child who had anything to do with me.

Irn Bru wrote:That may be fine for children in secondary school who are starting to think about a career but in primary school, children should first and foremost be focused on their education and development. They will learn much about Britain's military history anyway in their lessons so need to push this at them at such a young age.

So based on that view we should not have any religious workls in school like the Quran and Bible because they are propaganda to that specific religion, which hoilds no critical views of its own beliefs. Now very young children are taught to understand this at such a young age without a counter view, the countless discrmination promoted in these faiths.
You do understand singularity of a concept do you not?
How many children play as make belief soldiers?
Why would kids of the lower ages need to understand any critical view points about the British Armed Forces?
No needc to push religion onto children, but it provides them with some history of the faith ahd a basic understanding, because many children have different or no faiths, just as some kids have families in the British armed Forces of which it is right toi teach to be proud of these brave men and women.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:That may be fine for children in secondary school who are starting to think about a career but in primary school, children should first and foremost be focused on their education and development. They will learn much about Britain's military history anyway in their lessons so need to push this at them at such a young age.

So based on that view we should not have any religious workls in school like the Quran and Bible because they are propaganda to that specific religion, which hoilds no critical views of its own beliefs. Now very young children are taught to understand this at such a young age without a counter view, the countless discrmination promoted in these faiths.
You do understand singularity of a concept do you not?
How many children play as make belief soldiers?
Why would kids of the lower ages need to understand any critical view points about the British Armed Forces?
No needc to push religion onto children, but it provides them with some history of the faith ahd a basic understanding, because many children have different or no faiths, just as some kids have families in the British armed Forces of which it is right toi teach to be proud of these brave men and women.

Of course children play at soldiers, and cowboys and Indians and many other games as well - it's all part of growing up and developing - that's basically what I was saying. Let them develop naturally without pushing it at them. Same with religion really - let them develop and make up their own mind when they understand these things more.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

So based on that view we should not have any religious workls in school like the Quran and Bible because they are propaganda to that specific religion, which hoilds no critical views of its own beliefs. Now very young children are taught to understand this at such a young age without a counter view, the countless discrmination promoted in these faiths.
You do understand singularity of a concept do you not?
How many children play as make belief soldiers?
Why would kids of the lower ages need to understand any critical view points about the British Armed Forces?
No needc to push religion onto children, but it provides them with some history of the faith ahd a basic understanding, because many children have different or no faiths, just as some kids have families in the British armed Forces of which it is right toi teach to be proud of these brave men and women.

Of course children play at soldiers, and cowboys and Indians and many other games as well - it's all part of growing up and developing - that's basically what I was saying. Let them develop naturally without pushing it at them. Same with religion really - let them develop and make up their own mind when they understand these things more.

Which leads us back to you must believe in removing the Bible and the Quran or any religious module taught on religion. As children should be able to devolpe and make up their own mind on this then?
Just ensure that parents can opt out of this teaching as is doen with religion, simple.
You are so fearful and claim it is wrong to teach this to children with no evidence you have presented. Of which you are yet to even propose what is bad in regards to being proud of the British amred forces let alone any evidence this is bad for them?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

So based on that view we should not have any religious workls in school like the Quran and Bible because they are propaganda to that specific religion, which hoilds no critical views of its own beliefs. Now very young children are taught to understand this at such a young age without a counter view, the countless discrmination promoted in these faiths.
You do understand singularity of a concept do you not?
How many children play as make belief soldiers?
Why would kids of the lower ages need to understand any critical view points about the British Armed Forces?
No needc to push religion onto children, but it provides them with some history of the faith ahd a basic understanding, because many children have different or no faiths, just as some kids have families in the British armed Forces of which it is right toi teach to be proud of these brave men and women.

Of course children play at soldiers, and cowboys and Indians and many other games as well - it's all part of growing up and developing - that's basically what I was saying. Let them develop naturally without pushing it at them. Same with religion really - let them develop and make up their own mind when they understand these things more.

Which leads us back to you must believe in removing the Bible and the Quran or any religious module taught on religion. As children should be able to devolpe and make up their own mind on this then?
Just ensure that parents can opt out of this teaching as is doen with religion, simple.
You are so fearful and claim it is wrong to teach this to children with no evidence you have presented. Of which you are yet to even propose what is bad in regards to being proud of the British amred forces let alone any evidence this is bad for them?

No, I'm quite happy for these to be taught to children and would suggest that it should be done at secondary school level.

As I said, children will develop themselves on these issues in their own way as part of growing up and they may well understand it better when they reach secondary school. Not for very young children imo.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Which leads us back to you must believe in removing the Bible and the Quran or any religious module taught on religion. As children should be able to devolpe and make up their own mind on this then?
Just ensure that parents can opt out of this teaching as is doen with religion, simple.
You are so fearful and claim it is wrong to teach this to children with no evidence you have presented. Of which you are yet to even propose what is bad in regards to being proud of the British amred forces let alone any evidence this is bad for them?

No, I'm quite happy for these to be taught to children and would suggest that it should be done at secondary school level.

As I said, children will develop themselves on these issues in their own way as part of growing up and they may well understand it better when they reach secondary school. Not for very young children imo.

Then the same would have to be the case for religion, based on the points argued.
So basically you have nothing to offer or any evidence that teaching them this Pamphlet on the British amry and a brief history is going to affect them in anyway? Other than to provide them with a view to look at our British armed forces and those who serve in them with pride and to respect those who have given their lives..
How is that a bad thing?

Goodnight all and pleasant dreams.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Which leads us back to you must believe in removing the Bible and the Quran or any religious module taught on religion. As children should be able to devolpe and make up their own mind on this then?
Just ensure that parents can opt out of this teaching as is doen with religion, simple.
You are so fearful and claim it is wrong to teach this to children with no evidence you have presented. Of which you are yet to even propose what is bad in regards to being proud of the British amred forces let alone any evidence this is bad for them?

No, I'm quite happy for these to be taught to children and would suggest that it should be done at secondary school level.

As I said, children will develop themselves on these issues in their own way as part of growing up and they may well understand it better when they reach secondary school. Not for very young children imo.

Then the same would have to be the case for religion, based on the points argued.
So basically you have nothing to offer or any evidence that teaching them this Pamphlet on the British amry and a brief history is going to affect them in anyway? Other than to provide them with a view to look at our British armed forces and those who serve in them with pride and to respect those who have given their lives..
How is that a bad thing?

At such a young age I really don't think it's the best thing in their development. A bit later when they are in a position to understand it better is in my opinion the right way.
We had prayers at primary school and signing hymns etc. but not religious instruction. We got that at secondary school and before I left I had eventually worked out that basically it was all a load of sh!t.

Brasidas wrote:Goodnight all and pleasant dreams.

Same to you Didge. CYA tomorrow maybe.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Then the same would have to be the case for religion, based on the points argued.
So basically you have nothing to offer or any evidence that teaching them this Pamphlet on the British amry and a brief history is going to affect them in anyway? Other than to provide them with a view to look at our British armed forces and those who serve in them with pride and to respect those who have given their lives..
How is that a bad thing?

At such a young age I really don't think it's the best thing in their development. A bit later when they are in a position to understand it better is in my opinion the right way.
We had prayers at primary school and signing hymns etc. but not religious instruction. We got that at secondary school and before I left I had eventually worked out that basically it was all a load of sh!t.

That is still not a valid reason Irn, are you claiming now that children do not knopw, have relatives who are in the armed forces?
You are already basically not being truthful teaching them about religion as it has no evidence to this, yet you are happy this is taught to children, which again can easily be construed as propaganda as there is no critical view taught if this in schools.
You are already teaching history to children at this age, so there is no reason not to teach them the basics of the fact people serve in the armed forces. Thisd is fundemental at an early age as there is some people out there teaching their children to hate anyone who serves in our armed forces.