Aboriginal legends an untapped record of natural history written in the stars
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Aboriginal legends an untapped record of natural history written in the stars
Aboriginal legends could offer a vast untapped record of natural history, including meteorite strikes, stretching back thousands of years, according to new UNSW research.
Dr Duane Hamacher from the UNSW Indigenous Astronomy Group has uncovered evidence linking Aboriginal stories about meteor events with impact craters dating back some 4,700 years.
Dr Hamacher, an astrophysicist studying Indigenous astronomy, examined meteorite accounts from Aboriginal communities across Australia to determine if they were linked to known meteoritic events.
His study, published in the latest edition of peer-reviewed journal Archaeoastronomy, found "definitive links" between known meteorite craters and local Aboriginal traditions.
One of the meteorite strikes, at a place called Henbury in the Northern Territory, occurred around 4,700 years ago.
Dr Hamacher said the level of detail contained in the local oral traditions suggested the Henbury event had been witnessed and its legend passed down through generations over thousands of years – a remarkable record.
"Aboriginal men refused to go near the cluster of craters, claiming it was where the fire-devil ran down from the sun, hit the ground, and killed everyone. The fire-devil burned the people for breaking sacred law," said Dr Hamacher.
"There are similar stories in Aboriginal traditions across Australia of fiery stars falling from the sky, producing a deafening sound, blowing debris across the land and setting the ground on fire."
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-aboriginal-legends-untapped-natural-history.html
Dr Duane Hamacher from the UNSW Indigenous Astronomy Group has uncovered evidence linking Aboriginal stories about meteor events with impact craters dating back some 4,700 years.
Dr Hamacher, an astrophysicist studying Indigenous astronomy, examined meteorite accounts from Aboriginal communities across Australia to determine if they were linked to known meteoritic events.
His study, published in the latest edition of peer-reviewed journal Archaeoastronomy, found "definitive links" between known meteorite craters and local Aboriginal traditions.
One of the meteorite strikes, at a place called Henbury in the Northern Territory, occurred around 4,700 years ago.
Dr Hamacher said the level of detail contained in the local oral traditions suggested the Henbury event had been witnessed and its legend passed down through generations over thousands of years – a remarkable record.
"Aboriginal men refused to go near the cluster of craters, claiming it was where the fire-devil ran down from the sun, hit the ground, and killed everyone. The fire-devil burned the people for breaking sacred law," said Dr Hamacher.
"There are similar stories in Aboriginal traditions across Australia of fiery stars falling from the sky, producing a deafening sound, blowing debris across the land and setting the ground on fire."
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-aboriginal-legends-untapped-natural-history.html
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Re: Aboriginal legends an untapped record of natural history written in the stars
there is a huge history of Australia that we westerners are only just learning since we finally decided to open our ears.
This is why it is wrong to dismiss other cultures beliefs out of hand as for many of them history science and religion are the same thing. they are all interwoven. they didn't separate knowledge into different schools like the west did.
This is why it is wrong to dismiss other cultures beliefs out of hand as for many of them history science and religion are the same thing. they are all interwoven. they didn't separate knowledge into different schools like the west did.
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veya_victaous wrote:there is a huge history of Australia that we westerners are only just learning since we finally decided to open our ears.
This is why it is wrong to dismiss other cultures beliefs out of hand as for many of them history science and religion are the same thing. they are all interwoven. they didn't separate knowledge into different schools like the west did.
Many traditions have some truth to them, it is how the stories then unfold to become myths which is different or how events that happened are taken as religious aspects when they can be explained!
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But Sciences explanation is even Grander and more Awe-inspiring.
It the Aboriginal definition of 'divine' only requires the power of meteor(instead of omnipotence and omniscience) than the Sun is clearly of 'divine' power levels.
what right to we have to force them to use our definition of divine power?
We would have even better records if the Missionaries hadn't come and tried to erase them because they predate Abrahamic god's creation of earth according the the bible.
It the Aboriginal definition of 'divine' only requires the power of meteor(instead of omnipotence and omniscience) than the Sun is clearly of 'divine' power levels.
what right to we have to force them to use our definition of divine power?
We would have even better records if the Missionaries hadn't come and tried to erase them because they predate Abrahamic god's creation of earth according the the bible.
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There is much that can be learnt here but it is finding facts from these traditions which is going to be difficult to seperate.
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veya...just downloaded a paper on this and it says
"Warning to Aboriginal Readers:
This paper contains the names of
Aboriginal people who have passed away."
why is this ...is recalling someone who has passed away taboo?????
"Warning to Aboriginal Readers:
This paper contains the names of
Aboriginal people who have passed away."
why is this ...is recalling someone who has passed away taboo?????
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Simple answer is Yes it is Taboo
I have also heard others say it is like Purgatory the soul isn't able to fully leave this worlds and return to the dreaming until they are "forgotten/grief completed". the bonds of kinship and tribe keep them here and stops their souls journey.
there is normally a limit Traditionally decided by the family at which point the soul is considered to have returned to the dreaming and they can be mentioned again.. out of respect westerners just generally don't since it is almost impossible to manage in a larger community.
Traditionally, this meant avoiding referring to the dead person by name directly after their death as a mark of respect[4]—and also because it is considered too painful for the grieving family. Today the practice continues in many communities, but has also come to encompass avoiding the publication or dissemination of photography or film footage of the deceased person as well. (The 2008 film Australia, like many Australian television programs, includes a title card warning Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders to "use caution viewing this film, as it may contain images or voices of dead persons", presumably out of respect for the cultural beliefs of said viewers.)
The avoidance period may last anywhere from 12 months to several years. The person can still be referred to in a roundabout way, such as, "that old lady", or by their generic skin name, but not by first name.[4] In some Central Australian communities, if for example, a lady named Alice passes away, that name must be avoided in all contexts, so even Alice Springs needs to be referred to in conversation in a roundabout way (which is usually fine, as the Indigenous name can be reverted to). Those of the same name as the deceased are referred to by a substitute name during the avoidance period—Kuminjay is used in the Pintubi-Luritja dialect. Galyardu appears in a mid-western Australia Wajarri dictionary for this purpose.
This presents some challenges to indigenous people. In traditional society, people lived together in small bands of extended family. Name duplication was less common. Today, as people have moved into larger centres, with 300 to 600 people, the logistics of name avoidance have become increasingly challenging.
Exotic and rare names have therefore become very common, particularly in Central Australia and desert communities, to deal with this new challenge.
I have also heard others say it is like Purgatory the soul isn't able to fully leave this worlds and return to the dreaming until they are "forgotten/grief completed". the bonds of kinship and tribe keep them here and stops their souls journey.
there is normally a limit Traditionally decided by the family at which point the soul is considered to have returned to the dreaming and they can be mentioned again.. out of respect westerners just generally don't since it is almost impossible to manage in a larger community.
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ahh thanks for that...I did wonder...
its a belief not unique to Australia,
its a belief not unique to Australia,
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agree it is common pagan/tribal belief
Part of what makes the Aboriginals so interesting is you can Still see that they still have the 'Ancient Gods of Cave people' and based on the cave art from Europe the Cave people there had very similar.
Also you may note the presence of serpents in many of the oldest systems... I wonder if they derive from an original religion? seems Odd that the Norse have Snake 'gods' since they don't have a lot of snakes
North Africa on the other hand does and does also seem to be where humanity developed in its earliest stages.
Part of what makes the Aboriginals so interesting is you can Still see that they still have the 'Ancient Gods of Cave people' and based on the cave art from Europe the Cave people there had very similar.
Also you may note the presence of serpents in many of the oldest systems... I wonder if they derive from an original religion? seems Odd that the Norse have Snake 'gods' since they don't have a lot of snakes
North Africa on the other hand does and does also seem to be where humanity developed in its earliest stages.
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