Neolithic agricultural revolution may have reached Britain 2,000 years earlier than previously thought

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Cass wrote:isn't it Ayaan Hirsi Ali from How (and Why) I Became an Infidel?

stardesk wrote:Er, 'scuse me for butting in on the personal banter but I thought this topic was about ancient Britain.

My DNA shows, through the matriline, that our (my) ancestors, hunter gatherers at the time, reached Britain 12,000 years ago, when England was still joined to Europe, before the melting of the ice-age. We know that farming began in the Middle East about 10,000 yrs ago, so it's quite likely it reached Britain while it was still possible for people (and new ideas) to reach here.

Irn Bru wrote:

Cass wrote:isn't it Ayaan Hirsi Ali from How (and Why) I Became an Infidel?

Quite right Cass, it was indeed Ayaan Hirsi Ali who quoted these words and as you would expect from a historian and academic she was rightly credited with them when they were reproduced from her book ‘How (and Why) I Became an Infidel’ by Christopher Hitchens into his book 'The Portable Atheist'.

She was also named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world. She is a fierce critic of Islam and in particular the treatment of women and also the founder of The AHA Foundation which works to end violence and the treatment of women and young girls including the disgusting act of FGM.

Very opinionated woman indeed.

Cass wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Cass wrote:isn't it Ayaan Hirsi Ali from How (and Why) I Became an Infidel?

Quite right Cass, it was indeed Ayaan Hirsi Ali who quoted these words and as you would expect from a historian and academic she was rightly credited with them when they were reproduced from her book ‘How (and Why) I Became an Infidel’ by Christopher Hitchens into his book 'The Portable Atheist'.

She was also named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world.  She is a fierce critic of Islam and in particular the treatment of women and also the founder of The AHA Foundation which works to end violence and the treatment of women and young girls including the disgusting act of FGM.

Very opinionated woman indeed.

its such a coincidence as I was talking to a customer recently about these topics and he mentioned her - I had never heard of her - so did a bit of research and am currently awaiting an inter library loan of her book.

Back to the OP....sort of.....what do you reckon to all this paleolithic diet stuff going round?

Cass wrote:@Irn.....I agree.....hes got the expertise in this area.

there's a program on Wednesday or Thursday on CNN about the bees dying which I'm looking forward to

What do paleo dieters eat?

As with any fad diet, the paleo diet comes in many flavors and many ranges of extremity. In general, though, the following tenets should hold true:

   Meat, especially birds, wild caught fish and grass fed ruminants. Variation exists among paleo belief as to how fatty paleolithic meats would have been.[15][16][17]
   The offal of the animals listed above.
   Large amounts of vegetables.
   Fruits (limited by some).
   Tubers, such as sweet potatoes and sometimes white potatoes (limited by some).
   Butter, lard, tallow, coconut oil, and other fats and oils not made from grains or seeds.
   Fermented foods such as sauerkraut, kombucha, and kefir.
   No added sugar, especially high-fructose corn syrup.
   No grains or legumes, though some argue that soaking and/or fermenting them makes them acceptable.[18]
   Dairy is often excluded or limited, but high fat or fermented dairy is often included by so-called 'lacto-paleos' or 'Primal'.[19][20]

What did paleolithic humans actually eat?

Paleolithic diets necessarily included things that most Americans (who are the primary consumers of this woo) wouldn't touch with a 10-foot squeamish pole. Next time you meet a paleo, ask him or her if they eat:

   Small game — really small game — like rats, mice and squirrels.
   Unpleasant plants, pre-selective breeding. Sour and bitter tastes existed in many plant foods before human interference. Although paleolithic man probably would avoid downright foul-tasting (and likely poisonous) food, the plants that they ate were hardly nice, friendly spinach or carrots. Many modern vegetables are more pleasant mutations and hybridizations of less pleasant or even poisonous plants such as the genera solanum (tomatoes, potatoes, peppers) and prunus (almonds, peaches, apricots, plums, cherries). Safe varieties were likely discovered by just eating them and hoping it didn't kill anybody. In addition, paleolithic people are known to have eaten woody stems, stripped bark, and pith: things suspiciously absent from the modern paleo diet that probably contributed to the extreme wear and tear on their teeth observed in fossil individuals.
   Organ meat — a critical part of paleolithic man's diet. Does the average paleo dieter eat brains, tongues, stomach, eyes, liver, or kidneys? All of these brought important nutrition to our "healthy" ancestors that doesn't exist in white meat and cuts of grazing beef.
   Insects, especially grubs and large beetles, including roaches.
   Lizards, newts, frogs, turtles and anything else that had meat on its bones.
   Grains and other starches such as sorghum, wild corn (in both North and South American), potatoes (South America), and a large variety of seeds. Evidence for consumption of legumes such as wild lentils has also been found, along with stone tools associated with processing them.[21]
   Fruits and nuts.

If they respond with "No, I don't eat some of that stuff", you've cornered them. They'll tell you that they don't eat insects because that would disgust them, but the real reason is that they have a faulty understanding of evolutionary reality.

Cass wrote:^Irn....of course

^veya that's what I have been seeing around but its so damn confusing. ive got friends who swear by it and others who've stopped it.

moderation in all things is my idea.

the Irish bread turned out fab

Irn Bru wrote:

stardesk wrote:Er, 'scuse me for butting in on the personal banter but I thought this topic was about ancient Britain.

My DNA shows, through the matriline, that our (my) ancestors, hunter gatherers at the time, reached Britain 12,000 years ago, when England was still joined to Europe, before the melting of the ice-age. We know that farming began in the Middle East about 10,000 yrs ago, so it's quite likely it reached Britain while it was still possible for people (and new ideas) to reach here.

This is true Star but I was just making Didge aware that his attribution in his signature was wrong and he took it very very badly. Perhaps I was bit too hard on him but in the aftermath of his vile and disgusting Maggotgate signature that he directed at me I thought it was justified.

Never mind, it’s sorted now and Didge has changed it. On with the debate then.

Pedantry - a result of obsessive-compulsive personality disorder

Irn Bru wrote:Remarkable new archaeological discoveries are likely to completely rewrite a key part of British prehistory.

Scientific tests suggest that a major aspect of the Neolithic agricultural revolution may have reached Britain 2000 years earlier than previously thought..
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/neolithic-agricultural-revolution-may-have-reached-britain-2000-years-earlier-than-previously-thought-10073458.html

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