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Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:06 pm
We haven’t had to evict anyone yet because of bedroom tax arrears – but a £40m cut to safety net funding could see that change
The government’s decision to slash the discretionary housing payments (DHP) budget by £40m in 2015-16 could mean many of our most vulnerable residents are unable to cover their basic living costs and some may face eviction as a result.
The council-run hardship fund is to be cut from £165m this year to £125m in 2015-16. The fund is a valuable source of financial support for some of the country’s most vulnerable social housing residents, especially those affected by the under occupancy charge, or bedroom tax. It’s often the only thing that enables them to remain in their own homes.
We have one resident in London who is severely disabled and on disability living allowance (DLA). He is simply not in a position to work. But he also can’t downsize. His teenage daughter visits him every weekend and he has a specially adapted home, something that is hard to acquire. He has a frugal lifestyle, but his limited income makes it impossible for him to make up the difference in his rent as a result of the under occupancy charge. Last November, his application for DHP was rejected.
Social landlords recognise and support the government’s aims to bring down the deficit and incentivise benefit claimants to return to work. But we also need to ensure that the system supports the most vulnerable in society, for whom finding work or downsizing may not be possible.
According to the Department for Work and Pensions, about 500,000 claimants, many of them social housing tenants, are affected by the bedroom tax. More than 1,800 of our 50,000 households are affected and we, like other social landlords, have put a huge amount of effort into supporting them. Most large housing associations, like us, have services to assist residents manage their money, get into work, or increase their skills. Assisting people to find a job with the help of dedicated employment advisers has proved to be one of the best solutions for those affected by the first wave of welfare reforms.
We’ve worked with most of the people affected, to support them find jobs or consider options for moving. When those options aren’t viable, we’ve used our own skills to help people submit strong applications for DHP. For the first 18 months after the tax was introduced, many of these applications were successful and in most cases, DHP was awarded.
But this is begnning to change. Residents are increasingly having applications rejected because of a lack of local authority funds. There are very real concerns about the cuts to DHP. Our research shows that while some people have moved, or found work, many are simply not in a position to move or find ways to pay the difference. This may be because they require additional space due to illness or disability, or simply because suitable alternative accommodation is not available to house them. And finding a job is simply not an option for some because of illness or caring responsibilities.
So far, we have avoided needing to evict anyone with arrears solely due to the bedroom tax. We have excellent working relationships with our local authority partners and know that they are doing their best in difficult circumstances.
But we worry about the future. Until now, DHP has offset the full impact of welfare reforms such as the bedroom tax on the most vulnerable. But cutting the DHP budget could place some of our most vulnerable residents under increased financial strain.
The take-up of DHP in 2014-15 varied between local authorities and some have not used their full allocation. It is on this basis that the Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) has reduced the overall settlement.
But the department should also take notice that a similar number of local authorities, including many of those with which we work, have used their entire DHP allocation and will be unable to meet demand under the new settlement.
The DCLG should consider continuing the process used this year, enabling local authorities to apply for additional funds during the year when needed, and ensure unspent funds are re-distributed to the areas with highest demand.
Apart from the reducing pot, there is inconsistency in the way that DHP is awarded between local authorities. Our experience working across nearly 70 local authority areas shows a significant difference in how much is awarded, and to whom. It is apparent that payments do not necessarily go to those whose life circumstances render them most in need. We’d like to see more stringent guidelines to ensure a consistent approach between local authorities, and, most importantly, that the most vulnerable customers – those unable to move or increase their income – continue to receive sufficient DHP to maintain their tenancies.
Next month, we will publish the results of our two years of research on the impact of welfare reform on our residents. This will form the basis of our recommendations and further discussion with central government and our local authority partners.
Sarah Thurman is director of Hyde Plus, Hyde group’s social investment team
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/feb/19/cuts-discretionary-housing-payment-punish-vulnerable-residents
What the hell have they done to this country. The sick and disabled living hand to mouth and being forced onto the streets, which the Head of HSBC, which has been proven to have money laundered is made a Lord and given a parlamentary position, and the very, very rich on his advice find ways of not paying their taxes and cost the country billions.
Bastards, sick, thieving, lying, greedy, grasping Bastards. Get them OUT!
The government’s decision to slash the discretionary housing payments (DHP) budget by £40m in 2015-16 could mean many of our most vulnerable residents are unable to cover their basic living costs and some may face eviction as a result.
The council-run hardship fund is to be cut from £165m this year to £125m in 2015-16. The fund is a valuable source of financial support for some of the country’s most vulnerable social housing residents, especially those affected by the under occupancy charge, or bedroom tax. It’s often the only thing that enables them to remain in their own homes.
We have one resident in London who is severely disabled and on disability living allowance (DLA). He is simply not in a position to work. But he also can’t downsize. His teenage daughter visits him every weekend and he has a specially adapted home, something that is hard to acquire. He has a frugal lifestyle, but his limited income makes it impossible for him to make up the difference in his rent as a result of the under occupancy charge. Last November, his application for DHP was rejected.
Social landlords recognise and support the government’s aims to bring down the deficit and incentivise benefit claimants to return to work. But we also need to ensure that the system supports the most vulnerable in society, for whom finding work or downsizing may not be possible.
According to the Department for Work and Pensions, about 500,000 claimants, many of them social housing tenants, are affected by the bedroom tax. More than 1,800 of our 50,000 households are affected and we, like other social landlords, have put a huge amount of effort into supporting them. Most large housing associations, like us, have services to assist residents manage their money, get into work, or increase their skills. Assisting people to find a job with the help of dedicated employment advisers has proved to be one of the best solutions for those affected by the first wave of welfare reforms.
We’ve worked with most of the people affected, to support them find jobs or consider options for moving. When those options aren’t viable, we’ve used our own skills to help people submit strong applications for DHP. For the first 18 months after the tax was introduced, many of these applications were successful and in most cases, DHP was awarded.
But this is begnning to change. Residents are increasingly having applications rejected because of a lack of local authority funds. There are very real concerns about the cuts to DHP. Our research shows that while some people have moved, or found work, many are simply not in a position to move or find ways to pay the difference. This may be because they require additional space due to illness or disability, or simply because suitable alternative accommodation is not available to house them. And finding a job is simply not an option for some because of illness or caring responsibilities.
So far, we have avoided needing to evict anyone with arrears solely due to the bedroom tax. We have excellent working relationships with our local authority partners and know that they are doing their best in difficult circumstances.
But we worry about the future. Until now, DHP has offset the full impact of welfare reforms such as the bedroom tax on the most vulnerable. But cutting the DHP budget could place some of our most vulnerable residents under increased financial strain.
The take-up of DHP in 2014-15 varied between local authorities and some have not used their full allocation. It is on this basis that the Department for Communities and Local Government (DCLG) has reduced the overall settlement.
But the department should also take notice that a similar number of local authorities, including many of those with which we work, have used their entire DHP allocation and will be unable to meet demand under the new settlement.
The DCLG should consider continuing the process used this year, enabling local authorities to apply for additional funds during the year when needed, and ensure unspent funds are re-distributed to the areas with highest demand.
Apart from the reducing pot, there is inconsistency in the way that DHP is awarded between local authorities. Our experience working across nearly 70 local authority areas shows a significant difference in how much is awarded, and to whom. It is apparent that payments do not necessarily go to those whose life circumstances render them most in need. We’d like to see more stringent guidelines to ensure a consistent approach between local authorities, and, most importantly, that the most vulnerable customers – those unable to move or increase their income – continue to receive sufficient DHP to maintain their tenancies.
Next month, we will publish the results of our two years of research on the impact of welfare reform on our residents. This will form the basis of our recommendations and further discussion with central government and our local authority partners.
Sarah Thurman is director of Hyde Plus, Hyde group’s social investment team
http://www.theguardian.com/housing-network/2015/feb/19/cuts-discretionary-housing-payment-punish-vulnerable-residents
What the hell have they done to this country. The sick and disabled living hand to mouth and being forced onto the streets, which the Head of HSBC, which has been proven to have money laundered is made a Lord and given a parlamentary position, and the very, very rich on his advice find ways of not paying their taxes and cost the country billions.
Bastards, sick, thieving, lying, greedy, grasping Bastards. Get them OUT!
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Irn Bru Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:16 pm
I'd hate to be a Tory. I really would be ashamed to think that I had anything to with what they are doing or even be associated with it in anyway.
I don't blame people who voted Tory last time as I doubt many of them voted for what they are doing because I never saw anything in their manifesto that said they would. But in voting for them this time then they surely are agreeing with all this.
Yes, get them out.
I don't blame people who voted Tory last time as I doubt many of them voted for what they are doing because I never saw anything in their manifesto that said they would. But in voting for them this time then they surely are agreeing with all this.
Yes, get them out.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:15 pm
sadly they WILL get my vote....
since the alternative doesnt represent my interests....indeed it would be like a turkey voteing for christmas.....
since the alternative doesnt represent my interests....indeed it would be like a turkey voteing for christmas.....
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:45 pm
I wouldn't do anything if I had to do it sadly, and to be honest Victor, I have no idea why you think the Tories represent your interests. I know you disagree with EU, but when you put that against their destruction of the NHS, their being happy to stomp on the heads of the weak and disabled, their willingness to to be puppets for tax avoiders and city (b)ankers, I don't follow your logic at all. As a small business, have you actually looked at Labour's stance regarding small businesses?
http://lfig.org/an-enterprising-nation-nurturing-small-business-to-deliver-jobs-growth/
They stated the small business task force back in 2013, and regardless of what the press says, have been campaigning for small businesses ever since.
With all the things you have espoused over the years, how you can vote for the very worst set of Conservatives there has ever been I don't know.
http://lfig.org/an-enterprising-nation-nurturing-small-business-to-deliver-jobs-growth/
They stated the small business task force back in 2013, and regardless of what the press says, have been campaigning for small businesses ever since.
With all the things you have espoused over the years, how you can vote for the very worst set of Conservatives there has ever been I don't know.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:03 pm
simple....
labour and its "hangers on" like crusties on arse hairs are bunny hugging tree snogging morons that would (given half a chance) take away everyones SGC and FAC. they are in the hands of and controlled by the antis and in this issue as in all issues are NOT interested in reality, OR in the people they "claim" to represent...merely in making as much disruptiion as possible for as many people as they dare ...just for the sake of "looking good"
Tony B Liar to his utter shame and dishonour USED the tradgedy at dunblaine for political purpose....
what he DID had NO effect on illegal gun ownership all it did was "allow only the criminals to own handguns)
(which doubless suited the politicians very well)
labour and its "hangers on" like crusties on arse hairs are bunny hugging tree snogging morons that would (given half a chance) take away everyones SGC and FAC. they are in the hands of and controlled by the antis and in this issue as in all issues are NOT interested in reality, OR in the people they "claim" to represent...merely in making as much disruptiion as possible for as many people as they dare ...just for the sake of "looking good"
Tony B Liar to his utter shame and dishonour USED the tradgedy at dunblaine for political purpose....
what he DID had NO effect on illegal gun ownership all it did was "allow only the criminals to own handguns)
(which doubless suited the politicians very well)
Guest- Guest
Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:59 pm
1. Would you like to tell me what as FAC and a SGC are.
2 I hate. loathe and detest Tony Blair and so does every member of the Labour Party I know.
The policies the Labour Party are putting up are to get kids proper apprenticeships, to stop the NHS going down the plughole and being privatised, stop the Bedroom Tax, re nationalise some of the railways, stop the Utilities making huge amounts of money from their customers, get proper growth into the economiy while getting debit down, not trying to get rid altogether because we have always had a debit and trying to get it down all together in five years means no growth and the poorest suffering, stop the sick and disabled being sanctioned until they commit suicide or die, and stop the banks and hedge funds taking the piss, giving loads to the Conservatives and not paying their taxes, the amount of which would pay for so much in NHS and education.
Now, if after all that, and all you have said over the years, you are prepared to vote for this lot of thieving bastands who would happily grind all our faces in the dust and laugh, while taking all the money from hedgefund managers who have money laundered for arms deals and drugs deals and getting richer and richer, because of some points about gun control and 'tree hugging' I'm gobsmacked.
2 I hate. loathe and detest Tony Blair and so does every member of the Labour Party I know.
The policies the Labour Party are putting up are to get kids proper apprenticeships, to stop the NHS going down the plughole and being privatised, stop the Bedroom Tax, re nationalise some of the railways, stop the Utilities making huge amounts of money from their customers, get proper growth into the economiy while getting debit down, not trying to get rid altogether because we have always had a debit and trying to get it down all together in five years means no growth and the poorest suffering, stop the sick and disabled being sanctioned until they commit suicide or die, and stop the banks and hedge funds taking the piss, giving loads to the Conservatives and not paying their taxes, the amount of which would pay for so much in NHS and education.
Now, if after all that, and all you have said over the years, you are prepared to vote for this lot of thieving bastands who would happily grind all our faces in the dust and laugh, while taking all the money from hedgefund managers who have money laundered for arms deals and drugs deals and getting richer and richer, because of some points about gun control and 'tree hugging' I'm gobsmacked.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:13 pm
like I said liebour do NOT represent my interests.....
neither in truth do the CONS.....
but the least devil (to me).........
and we know this version of liebour is the same as the "last version" just a bit more spit and polish....
they still intend their "open door policy to be used to replace the indiginous worker with cheap foreign labour
to boost their voter base
they are making promises that they cant/wont keep...there is NOT ONE of them with the political balls to take on the bankers....
and their taxation policy (nothing to do with tax dodging) will ruin the country....
its a question of which bunch of idiots do you want in charge....
FAC fire arms certificate
sgc shot gun certificate
neither in truth do the CONS.....
but the least devil (to me).........
and we know this version of liebour is the same as the "last version" just a bit more spit and polish....
they still intend their "open door policy to be used to replace the indiginous worker with cheap foreign labour
to boost their voter base
they are making promises that they cant/wont keep...there is NOT ONE of them with the political balls to take on the bankers....
and their taxation policy (nothing to do with tax dodging) will ruin the country....
its a question of which bunch of idiots do you want in charge....
FAC fire arms certificate
sgc shot gun certificate
Guest- Guest
Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:22 pm
Well I'm afraid in my scheme of things I more worried about the disabled who are dying, literatlly, than shot gun and firearms certificates. And you are quite wrong Vic. Over the last 2 years the Labour Party has listened, online, in person and in meeting to 1000s and 1000s of its members and it is nothing like the party of Tony Blair, or I wouldn't be in it, campaigning for it and standing in local elections. I hated everything Tony Blair stood for and I take no prisoners when saying what I mean to those at the top. They most definitely have listened, which is why they have the policies they have now.
I wouldn't spit on the Conservatives if they were on fire. All they have done is support their mates getting more money by any way possible while the sick, poor and disabled have had everything possible taken from them, and then more that isn't possible taken.
I wouldn't spit on the Conservatives if they were on fire. All they have done is support their mates getting more money by any way possible while the sick, poor and disabled have had everything possible taken from them, and then more that isn't possible taken.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:31 pm
well now sass...when all those people stand up and say to liebour "here , hang on a mo, the laws on gun ownership are strict enough nowadays...leave the legit gun owner alone)
AND
when liebour listen to evreyone rather than noisy minorities like LACS and PETA and such like terrorist groups
then maybe...
but as the Ent said in lord of the rings....
I'm not exactly on anyones side, because no one is exactly on MY side.....
AND
when liebour listen to evreyone rather than noisy minorities like LACS and PETA and such like terrorist groups
then maybe...
but as the Ent said in lord of the rings....
I'm not exactly on anyones side, because no one is exactly on MY side.....
Guest- Guest
Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:37 pm
So you will put us at the mercy of the Tories again because of those reasons, honestly? With the way they are treating people?
And here is how they are on your side all of which have been costed and checked:
Here is the first stage of Labours’ costed and evidence-based plan to rebuild the UK:
1. Labour pledge to build 200,000 by 2020, focusing on social housing.
2. Labour pledged to create a State-Owned Rail Company that would compete and win back Rail Franchises.
3. Labour vow to cut business rates for small firms.
4. Labour vowed to introduce an increased Bankers’ Bonus Tax if they win in 2015.
5. Labour promised Free Childcare worth £5,000 a year for working parents who had children aged 3&4.
6. Labour committed to Sacking ATOS, Serco and G4S if they win the election.
7. Ed Miliband promised to repeal the Bedroom Tax.
8. Ed Balls pledged to reverse the Pension Tax relief that the Tories gifted to millionaires.
9. Labour promised to reverse the Tory Tax cut for Hedge Funds.
10. Labour pledged they will create 200,000 Apprenticeships
11. Ed Miliband vowed to increase the fine levied on firms not paying the Minimum Wage by 1000% to £50,000.
12. Labour are to introduce a new Disability Hate Crime Prevention Law.
13. Labour would freeze gas and electricity bills for every home and business in the UK for at least 20 months, the big energy firms would be split up and governed by a new tougher regulator to end overcharging.
14. Voting age to be lowered to 16.
15. NHS to be re-nationalised.
16. Miliband also said that any private company that does not meet the needs of the public will be brought under state control.
17. Labour will ban exploitative zero hour contracts.
18. Labour have pledged to introduce a living wage.
19. Labour have pledged to reverse the £107,000 tax break that the Tories have given to the millionaires.
20. Labour will reintroduce the 50p tax.
21. Labour will repeal clause 119.
22. Labour will introduce a law making Private Companies subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
23. Labour will introduce a Mansion Tax on properties worth more than £2 million
24. Labour will make up the difference to the value in the minimum wage is restored, reversing the Tory cut of 5%.
25. Labour will halt Michael Gove’s Free School Expansion Programme.
26. Labour will abolish the Tory ban on Local Education Authorities opening State Schools once more.
27. Labour will scrap George Osborne’s “Shares for Rights” scheme that has opened up a tax loophole of £1 billion .
28. Labour will launch a full public inquiry into blacklisting.
29. Labour will ensure Water Companies place the poorest households on a Social Tariff that makes it easier for them to pay their Water Bills.
30. Labour will double the tax duty on Pay Day Lenders and will use the additional £13,000,000 that raises to help foster more Credit Unions.
31. Labour will impose a cap on the cost of credit, setting a limit at which Pay Day Lenders can charge borrowers.
32. Labour will regulate food labelling to simplify pricing so that Supermarkets cannot con customers.
33. Labour plan to introduce a Bill that would ban Recruitment Consultancy firms from only hiring abroad & ban firms from paying temporary workers less than permanent staff.
34. Labour would set up a Financial Crime Unit, with increased staffing, in the Serious Fraud Office to enable the SFO to pursue bankers who break the law.
35. Labour will break up the banks, separating retail banking from investment banking.
36. Labour will scrap Police Commissioners.
37. Labour will introduce a Forces & Veterans Bill of Rights to build upon the Military Covenant.
38. As a minimum measure, Labour will at least cut Tuition Fees by 33%.
39. Labour will introduce measures to prevent corporate tax avoidance.
40. Labour will also increase the Bank Levy by £800m a year.
41. Labour will scrap the Profit Tax Cut (Corporation Tax) that George Osborne has already announced for 2015.
42. Labour will scrap Cameron’s “Gagging” Act.
43. Labour will ensure all MPs will be banned from receiving any income from corporations after 2015.
44. Labour will tackle the abuse and exploitation of migrant labour that undercuts wages.
45. Labour will extend their 2002 public interest test to protect us from exploitative multinational takeovers.
46. Labour will end unpaid workfare
47. Labour have pledged to scrap sanction targets.
Your decision of course, but in all the discussions we have had I have never seen you side with what the Tories stand for.
And here is how they are on your side all of which have been costed and checked:
Here is the first stage of Labours’ costed and evidence-based plan to rebuild the UK:
1. Labour pledge to build 200,000 by 2020, focusing on social housing.
2. Labour pledged to create a State-Owned Rail Company that would compete and win back Rail Franchises.
3. Labour vow to cut business rates for small firms.
4. Labour vowed to introduce an increased Bankers’ Bonus Tax if they win in 2015.
5. Labour promised Free Childcare worth £5,000 a year for working parents who had children aged 3&4.
6. Labour committed to Sacking ATOS, Serco and G4S if they win the election.
7. Ed Miliband promised to repeal the Bedroom Tax.
8. Ed Balls pledged to reverse the Pension Tax relief that the Tories gifted to millionaires.
9. Labour promised to reverse the Tory Tax cut for Hedge Funds.
10. Labour pledged they will create 200,000 Apprenticeships
11. Ed Miliband vowed to increase the fine levied on firms not paying the Minimum Wage by 1000% to £50,000.
12. Labour are to introduce a new Disability Hate Crime Prevention Law.
13. Labour would freeze gas and electricity bills for every home and business in the UK for at least 20 months, the big energy firms would be split up and governed by a new tougher regulator to end overcharging.
14. Voting age to be lowered to 16.
15. NHS to be re-nationalised.
16. Miliband also said that any private company that does not meet the needs of the public will be brought under state control.
17. Labour will ban exploitative zero hour contracts.
18. Labour have pledged to introduce a living wage.
19. Labour have pledged to reverse the £107,000 tax break that the Tories have given to the millionaires.
20. Labour will reintroduce the 50p tax.
21. Labour will repeal clause 119.
22. Labour will introduce a law making Private Companies subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
23. Labour will introduce a Mansion Tax on properties worth more than £2 million
24. Labour will make up the difference to the value in the minimum wage is restored, reversing the Tory cut of 5%.
25. Labour will halt Michael Gove’s Free School Expansion Programme.
26. Labour will abolish the Tory ban on Local Education Authorities opening State Schools once more.
27. Labour will scrap George Osborne’s “Shares for Rights” scheme that has opened up a tax loophole of £1 billion .
28. Labour will launch a full public inquiry into blacklisting.
29. Labour will ensure Water Companies place the poorest households on a Social Tariff that makes it easier for them to pay their Water Bills.
30. Labour will double the tax duty on Pay Day Lenders and will use the additional £13,000,000 that raises to help foster more Credit Unions.
31. Labour will impose a cap on the cost of credit, setting a limit at which Pay Day Lenders can charge borrowers.
32. Labour will regulate food labelling to simplify pricing so that Supermarkets cannot con customers.
33. Labour plan to introduce a Bill that would ban Recruitment Consultancy firms from only hiring abroad & ban firms from paying temporary workers less than permanent staff.
34. Labour would set up a Financial Crime Unit, with increased staffing, in the Serious Fraud Office to enable the SFO to pursue bankers who break the law.
35. Labour will break up the banks, separating retail banking from investment banking.
36. Labour will scrap Police Commissioners.
37. Labour will introduce a Forces & Veterans Bill of Rights to build upon the Military Covenant.
38. As a minimum measure, Labour will at least cut Tuition Fees by 33%.
39. Labour will introduce measures to prevent corporate tax avoidance.
40. Labour will also increase the Bank Levy by £800m a year.
41. Labour will scrap the Profit Tax Cut (Corporation Tax) that George Osborne has already announced for 2015.
42. Labour will scrap Cameron’s “Gagging” Act.
43. Labour will ensure all MPs will be banned from receiving any income from corporations after 2015.
44. Labour will tackle the abuse and exploitation of migrant labour that undercuts wages.
45. Labour will extend their 2002 public interest test to protect us from exploitative multinational takeovers.
46. Labour will end unpaid workfare
47. Labour have pledged to scrap sanction targets.
Your decision of course, but in all the discussions we have had I have never seen you side with what the Tories stand for.
Guest- Guest
Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:07 pm
risingsun wrote:So you will put us at the mercy of the Tories again because of those reasons, honestly? With the way they are treating people?
And here is how they are on your side all of which have been costed and checked:
Here is the first stage of Labours’ costed and evidence-based plan to rebuild the UK:
1. Labour pledge to build 200,000 by 2020, focusing on social housing.
so more "green land" taken up...or where is the commitment to brownfield sites???
where is the far more important commitment to rent controls ...oh I forgot they are all landlords.....ooooops
2. Labour pledged to create a State-Owned Rail Company that would compete and win back Rail Franchises.
with who's money??
3. Labour vow to cut business rates for small firms.
doesnt affect me
4. Labour vowed to introduce an increased Bankers’ Bonus Tax if they win in 2015.
okaaaay
5. Labour promised Free Childcare worth £5,000 a year for working parents who had children aged 3&4.
where's the money comming from (at least £ 1 billion)
6. Labour committed to Sacking ATOS, Serco and G4S if they win the election.
hmmmm.....they cant.....they have to wait till tyhe contract expires...OR pay them off.....at what cost???
7. Ed Miliband promised to repeal the Bedroom Tax.
good!
8. Ed Balls pledged to reverse the Pension Tax relief that the Tories gifted to millionaires.
yes
9. Labour promised to reverse the Tory Tax cut for Hedge Funds.
dunno what effect it will have...
10. Labour pledged they will create 200,000 Apprenticeships
again...where and what conditions....and at who's cost
11. Ed Miliband vowed to increase the fine levied on firms not paying the Minimum Wage by 1000% to £50,000.
they dont even apply it now....
12. Labour are to introduce a new Disability Hate Crime Prevention Law.
more unnecessary law...the law already exists....would be better if they forced judges to USE IT PROPERLY
13. Labour would freeze gas and electricity bills for every home and business in the UK for at least 20 months, the big energy firms would be split up and governed by a new tougher regulator to end overcharging.
last person out turn off the lights....where are the 6-10 new nuke stations werequiredespearately need??
14. Voting age to be lowered to 16.
just how bloody stupid and desperate for power can you get???AND on the face of it how bloody two faced....I thought 16 year olds were still "children" who need protection from predatory paedos (not that I think THATS bad...just the duality that on one hand they cant be seen to have the power of consent yet have the ability to vote??? MAKE YOUR MIND UP..
15. NHS to be re-nationalised.
16. Miliband also said that any private company that does not meet the needs of the public will be brought under state control.
so 10s of 100,s of SME will close rather than be state grabbed
17. Labour will ban exploitative zero hour contracts.
ok
18. Labour have pledged to introduce a living wage.
ok
19. Labour have pledged to reverse the £107,000 tax break that the Tories have given to the millionaires.
ok
20. Labour will reintroduce the 50p tax.
dumb
21. Labour will repeal clause 119.
ok
22. Labour will introduce a law making Private Companies subject to the Freedom of Information Act.
again SME will close rather than submit to this and the associated costs...
23. Labour will introduce a Mansion Tax on properties worth more than £2 million
they would do better taxing 2nd homes....
24. Labour will make up the difference to the value in the minimum wage is restored, reversing the Tory cut of 5%.
ok
25. Labour will halt Michael Gove’s Free School Expansion Programme.
yes
26. Labour will abolish the Tory ban on Local Education Authorities opening State Schools once more.
yes
27. Labour will scrap George Osborne’s “Shares for Rights” scheme that has opened up a tax loophole of £1 billion .
yes
28. Labour will launch a full public inquiry into blacklisting.
never been "blacklisted...whats this about then?
29. Labour will ensure Water Companies place the poorest households on a Social Tariff that makes it easier for them to pay their Water Bills.
so in other words they will increase everyone elses bills....a good way of "hiding" the cost of social provision....how about being honest and paying more in support??
30. Labour will double the tax duty on Pay Day Lenders and will use the additional £13,000,000 that raises to help foster more Credit Unions.
is this actually a significant problem....
31. Labour will impose a cap on the cost of credit, setting a limit at which Pay Day Lenders can charge borrowers.
now yes this IS a problem....
32. Labour will regulate food labelling to simplify pricing so that Supermarkets cannot con customers.
but labour can con voters that they are "doing something"...how about instead forcing food producers to decalre "halal products"?? hmmmmm
33. Labour plan to introduce a Bill that would ban Recruitment Consultancy firms from only hiring abroad & ban firms from paying temporary workers less than permanent staff.
yeah ...right....
34. Labour would set up a Financial Crime Unit, with increased staffing, in the Serious Fraud Office to enable the SFO to pursue bankers who break the law.
and again...with who's money....
35. Labour will break up the banks, separating retail banking from investment banking.
risky...
36. Labour will scrap Police Commissioners.
and???
37. Labour will introduce a Forces & Veterans Bill of Rights to build upon the Military Covenant.
we have lots of "bills of rights...most of which are not worth the paper they are written on....specifics please
38. As a minimum measure, Labour will at least cut Tuition Fees by 33%.
ok but where is the money???
39. Labour will introduce measures to prevent corporate tax avoidance.
ok
40. Labour will also increase the Bank Levy by £800m a year.
so us customers will end up with paying for our accounts...every deposit and every withdrawal
41. Labour will scrap the Profit Tax Cut (Corporation Tax) that George Osborne has already announced for 2015.
ok
42. Labour will scrap Cameron’s “Gagging” Act.
ok
43. Labour will ensure all MPs will be banned from receiving any income from corporations after 2015.
it will never pass the house
44. Labour will tackle the abuse and exploitation of migrant labour that undercuts wages.
dont make me laugh.....
45. Labour will extend their 2002 public interest test to protect us from exploitative multinational takeovers.
hmmm
46. Labour will end unpaid workfare
ok
47. Labour have pledged to scrap sanction targets.
ok
Your decision of course, but in all the discussions we have had I have never seen you side with what the Tories stand for.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:10 pm
maybe sass...i have finally got fed up of voting on "other peoples behalf"
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:33 pm
Blacklisting has been done within the construction industry. Workers who would not work for under minimum wage or belong to a trade union etc have been blacklisted and never work again.
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/how-to-know-if-youve-been-blacklisted-what-you-can-do/
As I said, all the above has been costed and the budget for it worked out. With the railways, here in East Anglia the trains are a disgrace and public money is having to be shovelled into them all the time. The public get no return, but the shareholders do.
The housing is on brownfield site if possible. Did you know for example that the Tories have sneaked in a law that houses can be built on greenfield sites on the edges of villages, it's going on around here a lot, and because developers have seen an 'in' they are being rushed up and the planning is not very good. They haven't taken into account the East Anglia Water situation, or the road and footpaths for the new people getting to facilities in the village. It's something locally the Labour Party is trying to sort out.
The money for childcare has been costed into the taxes. At the moment there are people who could go to work, but because of it costing £160 per child for childcare, they can't.
I agree with voting age being lowered to 16, if you can get married you should be able to vote, and in fact all the your people I know are very interested in how their world is going to be and talk a lot more sense than some adults.
SME won't close rather than give information, they know it would be cutting of their nose to spite their face. They always say that, but it doesn't happen.
The social tariff for Water Companies will not be allowed to increase bills, it will have to come out of profit, because they make enough of it.
Re electric, did you know that Scotland produces enough energy from green sourses to supply everyone?
Pay day loans a significant problem? You betcha, they are the cause of many people getting further and further into debt until they kill themselves.
Bill of rights for the forces would mean those badly hurt would have the right to personalised health care as their injuries are normally quite different to civilian injuries, the right not to have their wages cut while they are serving (which is something the Conservatives did).
Tuition fees cut has been calculated in the tax bill
The bank levy will not come out of personal account, it will come out of banker's bonuses and profits, easy enough to write that in.
MPs getting money from Corporations will pass, it's already been discussed with SNP who are for it, and if Labour get majority with SNP help it will go through.
Migrant workers are abused, have you seen all the stories of slavery etc? And if employers cannot pay them under the living wage everyone will be on a level playing field.
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/how-to-know-if-youve-been-blacklisted-what-you-can-do/
As I said, all the above has been costed and the budget for it worked out. With the railways, here in East Anglia the trains are a disgrace and public money is having to be shovelled into them all the time. The public get no return, but the shareholders do.
The housing is on brownfield site if possible. Did you know for example that the Tories have sneaked in a law that houses can be built on greenfield sites on the edges of villages, it's going on around here a lot, and because developers have seen an 'in' they are being rushed up and the planning is not very good. They haven't taken into account the East Anglia Water situation, or the road and footpaths for the new people getting to facilities in the village. It's something locally the Labour Party is trying to sort out.
The money for childcare has been costed into the taxes. At the moment there are people who could go to work, but because of it costing £160 per child for childcare, they can't.
I agree with voting age being lowered to 16, if you can get married you should be able to vote, and in fact all the your people I know are very interested in how their world is going to be and talk a lot more sense than some adults.
SME won't close rather than give information, they know it would be cutting of their nose to spite their face. They always say that, but it doesn't happen.
The social tariff for Water Companies will not be allowed to increase bills, it will have to come out of profit, because they make enough of it.
Re electric, did you know that Scotland produces enough energy from green sourses to supply everyone?
Pay day loans a significant problem? You betcha, they are the cause of many people getting further and further into debt until they kill themselves.
Bill of rights for the forces would mean those badly hurt would have the right to personalised health care as their injuries are normally quite different to civilian injuries, the right not to have their wages cut while they are serving (which is something the Conservatives did).
Tuition fees cut has been calculated in the tax bill
The bank levy will not come out of personal account, it will come out of banker's bonuses and profits, easy enough to write that in.
MPs getting money from Corporations will pass, it's already been discussed with SNP who are for it, and if Labour get majority with SNP help it will go through.
Migrant workers are abused, have you seen all the stories of slavery etc? And if employers cannot pay them under the living wage everyone will be on a level playing field.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:34 pm
darknessss wrote:maybe sass...i have finally got fed up of voting on "other peoples behalf"
Well maybe Vic, if you are doing all right, you shouldn't give up on voting on 'other people behalf' because you and I both know you can end up being one of the 'other people' very easily.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:40 pm
risingsun wrote:Blacklisting has been done within the construction industry. Workers who would not work for under minimum wage or belong to a trade union etc have been blacklisted and never work again.
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/how-to-know-if-youve-been-blacklisted-what-you-can-do/
Ahh...I see now....ok
As I said, all the above has been costed and the budget for it worked out. With the railways, here in East Anglia the trains are a disgrace and public money is having to be shovelled into them all the time. The public get no return, but the shareholders do.
The housing is on brownfield site if possible. Did you know for example that the Tories have sneaked in a law that houses can be built on greenfield sites on the edges of villages, it's going on around here a lot, and because developers have seen an 'in' they are being rushed up and the planning is not very good. They haven't taken into account the East Anglia Water situation, or the road and footpaths for the new people getting to facilities in the village. It's something locally the Labour Party is trying to sort out.
The money for childcare has been costed into the taxes. At the moment there are people who could go to work, but because of it costing £160 per child for childcare, they can't.
I agree with voting age being lowered to 16, if you can get married you should be able to vote, and in fact all the your people I know are very interested in how their world is going to be and talk a lot more sense than some adults.
Pah...they are not cynical enough to vote at 16.....
SME won't close rather than give information, they know it would be cutting of their nose to spite their face. They always say that, but it doesn't happen.
so prices will rise to cover costs....you DO know it costs a fortune to service FOI requests ...most of which are frivoulous....
and what will be the scope....?
The social tariff for Water Companies will not be allowed to increase bills, it will have to come out of profit, because they make enough of it.
yeah..I've heard THAT tale before....unenforceable
Re electric, did you know that Scotland produces enough energy from green sourses to supply everyone?
SORRY Sass thats rubbish.....otherwise we wouldnt be importing terra watts of power and billions of cubic meters of gas
Pay day loans a significant problem? You betcha, they are the cause of many people getting further and further into debt until they kill themselves.
Bill of rights for the forces would mean those badly hurt would have the right to personalised health care as their injuries are normally quite different to civilian injuries, the right not to have their wages cut while they are serving (which is something the Conservatives did).
Tuition fees cut has been calculated in the tax bill
The bank levy will not come out of personal account, it will come out of banker's bonuses and profits, easy enough to write that in.
yeah and imposible to enforce....
MPs getting money from Corporations will pass, it's already been discussed with SNP who are for it, and if Labour get majority with SNP help it will go through.
Migrant workers are abused, have you seen all the stories of slavery etc? And if employers cannot pay them under the living wage everyone will be on a level playing field.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:41 pm
Sorry sass most of that is smoke and mirrors, almost impossible to legislate for and unworkable
There IS a better way.....
There IS a better way.....
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:46 pm
No Vic, it isn't smoke and mirrors, it's been well thought out, worked out, costed and it's going to happen if we win. All that is on offer from the Conservatives is WORSE of what they are doing already. More money off NHS, more sanction while allowing the rich to get away with not paying taxing, more immorality.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:49 pm
And I know you think yours is a better way, but no-one is putting your way forward, and they won't. You want your policies, you have to start your party and meanwhile you can chose a party that is trying damn hard to put right some on the wrongs, or a party who want to carry on with the wrongs - only worse, bigger wrongs. I would seriously consider leaving the country is the Conservaties got in again, and I know a lot like me.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:52 pm
there are a lot that may well leave if labour get in....
from an economic point of view...who will have the greater impact???
from an economic point of view...who will have the greater impact???
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:01 pm
The British Chamber of Commerce has worked out that Labour polices will lead to more growth in the economy than Conservative polices and will stop deflation happening, which is something they are quite concerned about at the moment.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:04 pm
inflation is bad
deflation is bad
no change is bad
FFS will someone make their tiny mind up......
confused.com
deflation is bad
no change is bad
FFS will someone make their tiny mind up......
confused.com
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:08 pm
LOL LOL LOL!!!!
Got to go now, but thanks for a really good discussion, enjoyed it!
Got to go now, but thanks for a really good discussion, enjoyed it!
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:02 pm
risingsun wrote:And I know you think yours is a better way, but no-one is putting your way forward, and they won't. You want your policies, you have to start your party and meanwhile you can chose a party that is trying damn hard to put right some on the wrongs, or a party who want to carry on with the wrongs - only worse, bigger wrongs. I would seriously consider leaving the country is the Conservaties got in again, and I know a lot like me.
Really? You would consider leaving the UK? Where else would you receive the standard of NHS healthcare other than in the UK? Where other than in the UK would you receive the pensions benefits offered here? Where other than in the UK would you receive the benefits available here?
Unless you are very wealthy and in good health there are few options. Why do you think people like Philagain and Doug haven't moved to Spain?
There are people suffering genuine hardship, violence, starvation in the world. Most of us in the UK don't even know we are born
Don't let me stop you though, I'm sure the grass is much greener on the other side, wherever that might be
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by captain Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:30 pm
darknessss wrote:simple....
labour and its "hangers on" like crusties on arse hairs are bunny hugging tree snogging morons that would (given half a chance) take away everyones SGC and FAC. they are in the hands of and controlled by the antis and in this issue as in all issues are NOT interested in reality, OR in the people they "claim" to represent...merely in making as much disruptiion as possible for as many people as they dare ...just for the sake of "looking good"
Tony B Liar to his utter shame and dishonour USED the tradgedy at dunblaine for political purpose....
what he DID had NO effect on illegal gun ownership all it did was "allow only the criminals to own handguns)
(which doubless suited the politicians very well)
Pucking Blair, that bloody minded lying coward should be prosecuted not backing another pervy party in the next election. We are up crap street well and truly, they are no choice's because it's all about their gain. Give me a party that will put an end to all this toxic waste being sprayed in our skies daily for hours at a time, and make sure we have clean water and make serious laws on toxins being added to our foods and one that ensures criminal bankers will be prosecuted.
Not one of the above will happen due to anyone standing today, so as far as I am concerned there is NO fair election.
Daunted. 
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by Irn Bru Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:25 pm
The NHS is under threat like it has never been before and our ranking in the world is under serious threat. A&E targets are being missed, ambulances are backed up outside waiting to get in.
Dr Mark Porter, leader of the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, said that the service's
achievements were now at risk and we shouldn't be complacent as this is threatening high-quality care which included rising staff shortages. More and mote of the NHS budget is now being fired at private healthcare contracts instead of into the NHS itself.
Be worried.
Dr Mark Porter, leader of the doctors' union, the British Medical Association, said that the service's
achievements were now at risk and we shouldn't be complacent as this is threatening high-quality care which included rising staff shortages. More and mote of the NHS budget is now being fired at private healthcare contracts instead of into the NHS itself.
Be worried.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Sun Feb 22, 2015 6:06 pm
unfortunately sass...such "retrospective" laws are nothing but lies electioneering and total bullshit
THE ONLY option open would be a prosecution under HR legislation which requires NO new law (but would, inevitably fail)
YOU (as in govt) MAY NOT retrospectively, make illegal or criminal, something which wasnt such AT THE TIME of its ocurrence....
and if they tried, the HR legislation from their beloved EU would sink them out of sight
of course THAT wouldnt stop liebour spending millions on such a stupid idea ...would it....
THE ONLY option open would be a prosecution under HR legislation which requires NO new law (but would, inevitably fail)
YOU (as in govt) MAY NOT retrospectively, make illegal or criminal, something which wasnt such AT THE TIME of its ocurrence....
and if they tried, the HR legislation from their beloved EU would sink them out of sight
of course THAT wouldnt stop liebour spending millions on such a stupid idea ...would it....
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:21 pm
It doesn't come from Labour, it comes from the people who are angry at what IDS etc have been allowed to get away with. It was done by people so angry they want the Labour Party to do something about it. So do I. The people that have died have effectively been murdered, and I want people held to account. The huge inquiry into retrospective child abuse will also cost a lot of money because they mustn't get away with it either.
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Re: Cutting councils' hardship fund will punish our most vulnerable residents
by Guest Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:00 pm
yes well get used to the idea it aint going to happen...what does it take to ram home the idea that "retrospetive legislation is in itself illegal (or at least...unlawful, which for a govt is te same thing) and it is about the worst idea that you can have....
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