The SECRET plot by Thatcher's Tory government to sell out the Falkland's to Argentina

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From the SECRET Cabinet Papers - 1980



Astonishing

Here's the text;

[Text of the exploratory proposal handed by Mr Ridley in manuscript to Commodore Cavandoli on 11 September 1980.]
1. Titular sovereignty over the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas) and their maritime zone would be transferred to Argentina, with effect from the date of signature of the Agreement.

2. Continued British administration of the Islands and their maritime zone, with a guarantee to the Islanders and their descendants the uninterrupted enjoyment of their way of life under British institutions , laws and practices, would be simultaneously assured by means of a lease-back to the United Kingdom for a period of 99 years. The terms of the lease would be subject to periodic review, by agreement between the two parties.

3. The British and Argentine flags would be flown side by side on public buildings on the Islands.

4. The British Government would be represented by a Governor who, together with a locally elected Council, would be responsible for the administration of the Islands and their inhabitants.

5. The Argentine Government would be represented by a Commissioner-General

6. There would be a Joint Council to arrange co-operation over the economic development of the Islands and their maritime zone.l

As stated I am going to leave if you are not man enough to apologise for the most ridiculous invented lie you made onto nothing I said about your family.
You are scum and it will be on you why if I leave.
The choice is yours, but as seen you have shown what a low life you are and all because you lost a debate and on someone who is dead, but then you have no problem insulting her do you.
Complete hypocrite

Brasidas wrote:As stated I am going to leave if you are not man enough to apologise for the most ridiculous invented lie you made onto nothing I said about your family.
You are scum and it will be on you why if I leave.
The choice is yours, but as seen you have shown what a low life you are and all because you lost a debate and on someone who is dead, but then you have no problem insulting her do you.
Complete hypocrite

You lost Didge because you couldn't come up with the files that proved the plot and you lied about knowing about Operation Journeyman.

Your choice what you do. I'm not your keeper.

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:As stated I am going to leave if you are not man enough to apologise for the most ridiculous invented lie you made onto nothing I said about your family.
You are scum and it will be on you why if I leave.
The choice is yours, but as seen you have shown what a low life you are and all because you lost a debate and on someone who is dead, but then you have no problem insulting her do you.
Complete hypocrite

You lost Didge because you couldn't come up with the files that proved the plot and you lied about knowing about Operation Journeyman.

Your choice what you do. I'm not your keeper.

I read all the files, you just are a joke to think you have a case, even though it seems the vast majority of the world disagrees with you in placing such daft claim as you have.
I mean where is he mass of headlines backing you Irn.

It is your choice, you lost and you have acted like a child making unfounded claims and it was because you got schooled here and it was easy for me

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:As stated I am going to leave if you are not man enough to apologise for the most ridiculous invented lie you made onto nothing I said about your family.
You are scum and it will be on you why if I leave.
The choice is yours, but as seen you have shown what a low life you are and all because you lost a debate and on someone who is dead, but then you have no problem insulting her do you.
Complete hypocrite

You lost Didge because you couldn't come up with the files that proved the plot and you lied about knowing about Operation Journeyman.

Your choice what you do. I'm not your keeper.

I read all the files, you just are a joke to think you have a case, even though it seems the vast majority of the world disagrees with you in placing such daft claim as you have.
I mean where is he mass of headlines backing you Irn.

It is your choice, you lost and you have acted like a child making unfounded claims and it was because you got schooled here and it was easy for me

Go on then; tell me what the files I asked you to look at said

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:



I read all the files, you just are a joke to think you have a case, even though it seems the vast majority of the world disagrees with you in placing such daft claim as you have.
I mean where is he mass of headlines backing you Irn.

It is your choice, you lost and you have acted like a child making unfounded claims and it was because you got schooled here and it was easy for me

Go on then; tell me what the files I asked you to look at said

The ambassador for Britain in Argentina, so only one thing to ass really

Your word Didge She took to task those wanker minors, who thought they could control our Governments. She tore them a new arse hole, and it was great. I love watching those pathetic miners get what was coming to them.
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Irn Bru wrote:Your word Didge She took to task those wanker minors, who thought they could control our Governments. She tore them a new arse hole, and it was great. I love watching those pathetic miners get what was coming to them.

Yes my words and I stand by them, those that rioted and killed were wankers. Those that tried to bring her government down of which they did try to do.
So at no point did I say anything in regards to your family and even after I have clarified you are still being a complete weasel and not admitting you got it wrong

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:Your word Didge She took to task those wanker minors, who thought they could control our Governments. She tore them a new arse hole, and it was great. I love watching those pathetic miners get what was coming to them.

Yes my words and I stand by them, those that rioted and killed were wankers. Those that tried to bring her government down of which they did try to do.
So at no point did I say anything in regards to your family and even after I have clarified you are still being a complete weasel and not admitting you got it wrong

Just confirm what your clarification is in more detail and that it was not all miners which would eliminate my old man and my 3 brothers who were all coal miners.

Up to you

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Yes my words and I stand by them, those that rioted and killed were wankers. Those that tried to bring her government down of which they did try to do.
So at no point did I say anything in regards to your family and even after I have clarified you are still being a complete weasel and not admitting you got it wrong

Just confirm what your clarification is in more detail and that it was not all miners which would eliminate my old man and my 3 brothers who were all coal miners.

Up to you

What did you not understand on the other thread and on this where I have now clarified and stated already I did not mean "all" and stating exactly who I meant?
Do you need to go to specsavers or are you going to drag out admitting you are wrong and not have the decency to apologise for being wrong?

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


Yes my words and I stand by them, those that rioted and killed were wankers. Those that tried to bring her government down of which they did try to do.
So at no point did I say anything in regards to your family and even after I have clarified you are still being a complete weasel and not admitting you got it wrong

Just confirm what your clarification is in more detail and that it was not all miners which would eliminate my old man and my 3 brothers who were all coal miners.

Up to you

What did you not understand on the other thread and on this where I have now clarified and stated already I did not mean "all" and stating exactly who I meant?
Do you need to go to specsavers or are you going to drag out admitting you are wrong and not have the decency to apologise for being wrong?

So that's a retraction then and not all miners. Many thanks.

Now have you got the files I asked for the one's that show there was a plot to sell out the islanders to Argentina?

I'll check back in the morning to view them - you do have them, don't you?

In the meantime I would suggest you get some sleep to clear your mind.

Night Didge

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


What did you not understand on the other thread and on this where I have now clarified and stated already I did not mean "all" and stating exactly who I meant?
Do you need to go to specsavers or are you going to drag out admitting you are wrong and not have the decency to apologise for being wrong?

So that's a retraction then and not all miners. Many thanks.

Now have you got the files I asked for the one's that show there was a plot to sell out the islanders to Argentina?

I'll check back in the morning to view them - you do have them, don't you?

In the meantime I would suggest you get some sleep to clear your mind.

Night Didge

So you do not have the decency to admit you were wrong and apologise


Typical left wing scum

I have read all the files so I suggest you keep clutching at straws sunshine ha ha, that is all you left wing twats can do and again you now have 46 hours to apologise.
yes I suggest you put up the papers you have failed to do so for 3 pages now


 

For fecks sake quit the bickering.

Will there never be any peace around here. Just calm down or I will bang your heads together.

Grab the stick Ben or give it to me.

Watched this argument with interest, nowhere have I seen mentioned that's Irn's beloved miners murdered a Taxi driver by dropping a large rock off a motorway bridge that landed on his car. they thought the driver was a "scab" going in to work so they killed him!!

nup tried again I got no idea what they are talking about

@nicko
is what they are going on about got anything to do with the OP?

nicko wrote:Watched this argument with interest,   nowhere have I seen mentioned that's Irn's beloved miners murdered a Taxi driver by dropping a large rock off a motorway bridge that landed on his car. they thought the driver was a "scab" going in to work so they killed him!!

Indeed Nicko and had many go out on strike insupport of two murderers, that is digusting with no thought for the driver killed.
That is scum in anyones book.

Brasidas wrote:

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


What did you not understand on the other thread and on this where I have now clarified and stated already I did not mean "all" and stating exactly who I meant?
Do you need to go to specsavers or are you going to drag out admitting you are wrong and not have the decency to apologise for being wrong?

So that's a retraction then and not all miners. Many thanks.

Now have you got the files I asked for the one's that show there was a plot to sell out the islanders to Argentina?

I'll check back in the morning to view them - you do have them, don't you?

In the meantime I would suggest you get some sleep to clear your mind.

Night Didge

So you do not have the decency to admit you were wrong and apologise


Typical left wing scum

I have read all the files so I suggest you keep clutching at straws sunshine ha ha, that is all you left wing twats can do and again you now have 46 hours to apologise.
yes I suggest you put up the papers you have failed to do so for 3 pages now


 

Can I have your comments on the files I have asked you to look at then? You claimed to have them all to hand so it’s not really an unreasonable request given that you have them all right there in front of you. Whenever you are ready chum,,,,,,,thanks.

In the meantime I have work to do but I’ll check back later when I’m sure you will not have let me down again.

Toodle pip old bean - for now

Irn Bru wrote:

Brasidas wrote:


So you do not have the decency to admit you were wrong and apologise


Typical left wing scum

I have read all the files so I suggest you keep clutching at straws sunshine ha ha, that is all you left wing twats can do and again you now have 46 hours to apologise.
yes I suggest you put up the papers you have failed to do so for 3 pages now


 

Can I have your comments on the files I have asked you to look at then? You claimed to have them all to hand so it’s not really an unreasonable request given that you have them all right there in front of you. Whenever you are ready chum,,,,,,,thanks.

In the meantime I have work to do but I’ll check back later when I’m sure you will not have let me down again.

Toodle pip old bean - for now

 




Seriously I am sorry if you are a reatard that you cannot post something yourself, is that your excuse why you are incapable then?

Maybe later you can also counter my points which you failed to do throughout ha ha ha what a thick Jock and easily proven so it seems.

If you want to post something you claim backs your view then do so. It seems you think the onus is on me to prove your point

One moment



About sums up your stupidity, where you claim you havce such damning evidence and cannot produce it

I asked you to look into the files for the Rex Hunt memo to London  dated 19 January 1982 and the minutes of the London meeting chaired by Nick Ridley, attended by Anthony Williams from Buenos Aires  and several others, dated 30 June 1981 and the transmission from Anthony Williams in Argentina dated 6 April 1982 summarising the threat levels that had been conveyed to London over the previous months. That’s because these files are important in establishing that there was a plot to sell out the Islanders to Argentina in trying to convince them that they were screwed and they had no choice because we couldn’t afford to defend them. Williams also pointed out that it was never made adequately clear to the Islander’s the stark choices they faced and they were never brought face to face with the full reality of their position  i.e they were kept mostly in the dark.  I also gave you file Ref No in the NA  for the RoE earlier as well.  You said and I quote...

Brasidas wrote wrote: I have all the minutes of all the discussions,

So you have these files already then and all I’m asking you to do is comment on them. Not unreasonable is it?

This debate is as much over now as you are not prepared to continue and discuss  the content of these files by explaining away what was going on

As soon as you have done that then I will be prepared to revisit this thread and discuss it further but until you do that then the OP stands uncorrected.

There was no plot and you are talking nonsesnse.
If you believe there was then the onus is on you to prove such a case, which of yet you have failed to do so. There was certainly proposals of what to do going forward with the islands, of which the Islanders were even themselves knew something had to be arran ged for the future. All of which Ridley was pushed upstairs because the islanders and thw Argies did not agree with such proposals. You mistake proposals with a set policy, which nothing was set in stone, hence why the claim is nothing short of the hysterics of the left wing desperate in any shape to demean Maggie.
It is not down to me to discuss anything , even though I have read all the papers, of which most of them are the views of the individuals involved at the time. At the end of the day there was 3 proposals put forward tot he islanders, which would not be possible if we are to believe your incorrect conspiracy theory. These were Condominium, freeze or lease back. The first was refused out right by the islanders, so viewed  the last as a possibility going forward as they also recognized that some sort of compremise had to be made with the Argies.

Stop wasting my time with infasntile games. If you claim to have evidence, put up or shut up, as I am bored with inability to understand history

Brasidas wrote:David James Wilkie (9 July 1949 - 30 November 1984) was killed during the miners' strike in the United Kingdom, when two striking miners dropped a concrete block from a footbridge onto his taxi whilst he was driving a strike breaking miner to his workplace. The attack caused a widespread revulsion at the extent of violence in the dispute. The two miners were convicted of murder but the charge was reduced to manslaughter on appeal, becoming a leading case on the issue of the difference between the two offences.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Wilkie

I would have thought that if one drops a concrete block onto a vehicle, one could reasonably predict that someone would die - thus, the original verdict should have stood.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Brasidas wrote:David James Wilkie (9 July 1949 - 30 November 1984) was killed during the miners' strike in the United Kingdom, when two striking miners dropped a concrete block from a footbridge onto his taxi whilst he was driving a strike breaking miner to his workplace. The attack caused a widespread revulsion at the extent of violence in the dispute. The two miners were convicted of murder but the charge was reduced to manslaughter on appeal, becoming a leading case on the issue of the difference between the two offences.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Wilkie

I would have thought that if one drops a concrete block onto a vehicle, one could reasonably predict that someone would die - thus, the original verdict should have stood.

I most certainly agree with you.