Former Miss Turkey arrested for ‘criticizing’ President Erdogan

by Irn Bru Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:05 pm

A former Miss Turkey got a firm dressing down for quoting a satirical poem online that criticized President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

Merve Buyuksarac, 26, a model and 2006 pageant queen, was arrested after she posted a quote from a poem in humor magazine Uykusuz, Central European News reported.

Her arrest comes as Turkish officials are cracking down on critical media in the wake of the terror attacks at the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine in Paris.

Cops last week stopped a Turkish newspaper’s delivery trucks to make sure they were not carrying copies of Charlie Hebdo that might be offensive to Muslims. Turkey is secular but almost 100 percent of its population is registered Muslim.

http://nypost.com/2015/01/21/former-miss-turkey-arrested-for-criticizing-president-erdogan/

So much for free speech in Turkey. Looks like people who live there need to tread very carefully about what they say on-line.

by Guest Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:15 pm

yep 100% agreed irn....

it will come here too if camergoon has his way....

by veya_victaous Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:17 pm

darknessss wrote:yep 100% agreed irn....

it will come here too if camergoon has his way....

Yep the Price of freedom is eternal vigilance. and slapping down cowards that want to give them away Cool

by Guest Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:19 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
darknessss wrote:yep 100% agreed irn....

it will come here too if camergoon has his way....

Yep the Price of freedom is eternal vigilance. and slapping down cowards that want to give them away

agreed......and that INCLUDES the right to bear arms.....subject of course to the necessary and quite correct "qualifier" that you MUST be a "suitable person" to excercise that freedom

something with which I have NO problem.....

by veya_victaous Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:36 pm

I support the right to bare arms or bears arms Cool

We are a convict nations so I don't think we ever had that right (actually Pretty sure redcoats were sent to slaughter early Aussies that though they did Rolling Eyes

) BUT we have always had people in uniforms pointing guns at us... so I guess that makes us safe confused

Non-clip feed shotguns and manual rifles qualify as tools in rural areas. Hand guns and Semi automatic rifles (with large clips) are the real thing that needs to be restricted.

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:03 am

darknessss wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Yep the Price of freedom is eternal vigilance. and slapping down cowards that want to give them away

agreed......and that INCLUDES the right to bear arms.....subject of course to the necessary and quite correct "qualifier" that you MUST be a "suitable person" to excercise that freedom

something with which I have NO problem.....

Shouldn't you also be a 'suitable person' in order to exercise freedom of speech? Or.....

by Guest Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:54 pm

since "freedom of speech" doesnt actually kill anyone directly probably not...

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:10 pm

darknessss wrote:since "freedom of speech" doesnt actually kill anyone directly probably not...

Hitler did a pretty good job with his speech in Nürnberg in 1934:

by Guest Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:12 pm

DIRECTLY????

did people "drop dead" in the streets from it??? there and then as the words dropped from his mouth.....or did it take others to put them into action???

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:27 pm

darknessss wrote:DIRECTLY????

did people "drop dead" in the streets from it??? there and then as the words dropped from his mouth.....or did it take others to put them into action???

Well, bottom line, I'm with you on freedom of speech. I just want to point out that speech is not all that innocent and pure. What is it they say: The pen is mightier than the sword?

It is a necessary evil. But, along with freedom of speech is the obligation to listen.

by Guest Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:32 pm

Original Quill wrote:
darknessss wrote:DIRECTLY????

did people "drop dead" in the streets from it??? there and then as the words dropped from his mouth.....or did it take others to put them into action???

Well, bottom line, I'm with you on freedom of speech. I just want to point out that speech is not all that innocent and pure. What is it they say: The pen is mightier than the sword?

It is a necessary evil. But, along with freedom of speech is the obligation to listen.

agreed, but that is binding on BOTH parties is it not....

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:47 pm

darknessss wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Well, bottom line, I'm with you on freedom of speech. I just want to point out that speech is not all that innocent and pure. What is it they say: The pen is mightier than the sword?

It is a necessary evil. But, along with freedom of speech is the obligation to listen.
agreed, but that is binding on BOTH parties is it not....

Absolutely. But look how often the listening part is ignored, even on the Internet. Or should I say, especially on the Internet.

You would hate Herbert Marcuse's Repressive Tolerance, http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm. Yet you have often made his very point: in the end, freedom of speech only protects the established ideas, and does little or nothing for the new or unorthodox ideas. Yet, the ultimate justification for freedom of speech is to maximize the development and exchange of ideas. And here we use it to promote the hackneyed, used ideas.

It's like trying to sell new cars, and everyone is flocking to the used car lot.

by Guest Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
darknessss wrote:
agreed, but that is binding on BOTH parties is it not....

Absolutely. But look how often the listening part is ignored, even on the Internet. Or should I say, especially on the Internet.

You would hate Herbert Marcuse's Repressive Tolerance, http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm. Yet you have often made his very point: in the end, freedom of speech only protects the established ideas, and does little or nothing for the new or unorthodox ideas. Yet, the ultimate justification for freedom of speech is to maximize the development and exchange of ideas. And here we use it to promote the hackneyed, used ideas.

It's like trying to sell new cars, and everyone is flocking to the used car lot.

ever thought just maybe thats because there ARE NO new/unorthodox ideas (sociologically speaking)
or that those "new/unorthodox" ideas are just plain dumb (for instance becasue adopting then requires not only every country in the world but every PERSON in the world to agree to be bound to them ...and ALL at the same time, universally and without reservation???)

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:08 pm

darknessss wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Absolutely. But look how often the listening part is ignored, even on the Internet. Or should I say, especially on the Internet.

You would hate Herbert Marcuse's Repressive Tolerance, http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm. Yet you have often made his very point: in the end, freedom of speech only protects the established ideas, and does little or nothing for the new or unorthodox ideas. Yet, the ultimate justification for freedom of speech is to maximize the development and exchange of ideas. And here we use it to promote the hackneyed, used ideas.

It's like trying to sell new cars, and everyone is flocking to the used car lot.

ever thought just maybe thats because there ARE NO new/unorthodox ideas (sociologically speaking)
or that those "new/unorthodox" ideas are just plain dumb (for instance becasue adopting then requires not only every country in the world but every PERSON in the world to agree to be bound to them ...and ALL at the same time, universally and without reservation???)

Sooo...you are suggesting that free speech is no longer necessary, because there are no more ideas to exchange?

That reminds me of Charles Holland Duell, US Commissioner of Patents (1898-1901), who famously said in 1899, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." The logical conclusion is that we close down the whole office.

by Guest Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:14 pm

Original Quill wrote:
darknessss wrote:

ever thought just maybe thats because there ARE NO new/unorthodox ideas (sociologically speaking)
or that those "new/unorthodox" ideas are just plain dumb (for instance becasue adopting then requires not only every country in the world but every PERSON in the world to agree to be bound to them ...and ALL at the same time, universally and without reservation???)

Sooo...you are suggesting that free speech is no longer necessary, because there are no more ideas to exchange?

NO...because ther is plenty of debate about the "useage" of ideas and of course opinion is never fixed...

That reminds me of Charles Holland Duell, US Commissioner of Patents (1898-1901), who famously said in 1899, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." The logical conclusion is that we close down the whole office.

by Original Quill Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:47 pm

darknessss wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Sooo...you are suggesting that free speech is no longer necessary, because there are no more ideas to exchange?

NO...because ther is plenty of debate about the "useage" of ideas and of course opinion is never fixed...

That reminds me of Charles Holland Duell, US Commissioner of Patents (1898-1901), who famously said in 1899, "Everything that can be invented has been invented." The logical conclusion is that we close down the whole office.

Make up your mind. If there's nothing new to be said, keep quiet. If there is, keep it going.

Don't give me this blah-blah about 'usage' and 'opinion'...if we've heard it, we've heard it! God knows, there's too much babble in the world already.

by veya_victaous Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:54 pm

there are new ideas it just adopted slowly over time, unless a critical event forces change.. Generally some people take the leap and try new things if they are successful (or look like they are having fun) others will join them until it reaches critical mass and becomes the new norm.

I think that is why we have different personalities, human society would not actually function if we were all the same, this way it allows our species to take risk with some of our number yet be 'conservative' with some others. greatly reducing our chance of extinction yet letting us continue to advance and multiple adaptations to be attempted at the same time.

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