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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:45 am

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In the wake of the devastating Paris terrorist attacks, British Prime Minister David Cameron said encrypted messaging services pose a national security threat because they can’t be easily monitored by intelligence agencies.

“The attacks in Paris demonstrated the scale of the threat that we face and the need to have robust powers through our intelligence and security agencies in order to keep our people safe,” Cameron said Monday, speaking at an event in London on how to best protect the country from terrorist attacks.

If re-elected in May, Cameron promised to ban encrypted online communication services — unless tech companies give British intelligence special access. Those backdoor permissions would be folded into legislation requiring telecommunications companies and broadband providers to collect and store citizens’ online communications.

“Are we going to allow a means of communications which it simply isn’t possible to read?” he said. “My answer to that question is: ‘No, we must not.’”

Cameron’s comments come a week after Paris suffered three days of fatal terrorist attacks that killed 17 people — 12 of whom were massacred at satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo’s offices Jan. 7.

The British government hasn’t been particularly amenable to the privacy movement; it notoriously forced London-based newspaper the Guardian in 2013 to destroy hard drives containing NSA files leaked by Edward Snowden. But Cameron’s stance contradicts movements from other European countries which have balked at intense government surveillance and tried to crack down on U.S. internet companies for violating citizens’ privacy rights.

Russia and Germany vowed earlier this year to switch to paper communications, handwritten notes and typewriters to avoid detection, while other countries are working on enhancing their own intelligence programs. Germany also said it would end its contract with U.S. wireless carrier Verizon because of legal requirements “to provide certain things to the NSA,” according to the German Interior Ministry.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/13/3610890/david-cameron-encrypted-messaging-ban/


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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:50 pm

darknessss wrote:Hey veya....
do me a favour will yah...

just read back through what i have posted about this "affair" business....

now is it me or.............

Bra said If you are in an abusive relationship you can always choose to leave. Victim Blaming Embarassed ( I sort of agree so I will shut up silent silent silent silent before Wimmuns booby shake get here to abuse him Razz Razz Razz )

BRA you forgot about "Emotional blah blah blah excuse" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing ...
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Post by Guest Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:50 pm

I guess Victor cannot explain then


Opps

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:52 pm

you clearly have NO idea about people and what drives them, what motivates or controls their decisions...and here's me thinking you knew something of psychology...

you really ARE a sanctimonious tit didge....

you have NO idea of what emotional blackmail can do
what emotional abuse can do to some one

FFS man why do you think I put up with both physical AND emotional abuse for 15 FUCKING YEARS

YOU ARE A STUPID SANCTIMONIOUS PILLOCK WITH FUCK ALL EXPERIENCE OF LIFE
now fuck off...



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Post by Guest Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:52 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
darknessss wrote:Hey veya....
do me a favour will yah...

just read back through what i have posted about this "affair" business....

now is it me or.............

Bra said If you are in an abusive relationship you can always choose to leave. Victim Blaming Embarassed ( I sort of agree so I will shut up silent silent silent silent  before Wimmuns booby shake  get here to abuse him Razz Razz Razz )

BRA you forgot about "Emotional blah blah blah excuse" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing  ...



That is not what I said.
I love idiots.
If a person is in an abusive relationship yet is able to meet in secret to have an affair, how is she not able to leave her relationship when she does at times to have an affair?

take your time.

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Post by Guest Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:54 pm

darknessss wrote:you clearly have NO idea about people and what drives them, what motivates or controls their decisions...and here's me thinking you knew something of psychology...

you really ARE a sanctimonious tit didge....

you have NO idea of what emotional blackmail can do
what emotional abuse can do to some one

FFS man why do you think I put up with both physical AND emotional abuse for 15 FUCKING YEARS

YOU ARE A STUPID SANCTIMONIOUS PILLOCK WITH FUCK ALL EXPERIENCE OF LIFE
now fuck off...





Yes thanks for acting like an idiot
The point still stands, an abused women can have an affair (your claim on affairs by the way), which means she has time to be with someone else does she not?
If she can find time to be with someone else then she has time to get out of that relationship altogether.
Do not use the victim emotional blackmail card on me, I hate domestic violence and abuse to anyone, this is on a concept and how if someone is able to be with someone else they then have the capacity and means to leave their relationship


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Post by Guest Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:59 pm

your input no longer interests me

i know your sort you are a match for my ex
self righteous
sanctionious
and utterly vile....

fin.

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Post by veya_victaous Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:59 pm

Brasidas wrote:I guess Victor cannot explain then


Opps

be careful what you wish for Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
Some of the Chicks from Buzzfeed will be here to castrate you shortly Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
(no your, "but they had enough freedom to cheat" wont save you)

My opinion on the issue (which I have been assured by the women on Buzzfeed doesn't count because I have testicles  David Cameron Fights for oppression and destruction of western ideals  - Page 3 4152582110 ) is that yes in OUR Secular society people do have the capacity to leave a relationship... but we also have the freedom to cheat if we want to, of course our partners have the right to leave if they don't like it.
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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:01 am

darknessss wrote:your input no longer interests me

i know your sort you are a match for my ex
self righteous
sanctionious
and utterly vile....

fin.



You are an idiot, I am against domestic abuse, this is on a concept, you proposed to me.
Where again if a person has the means to have an affair then they have the means of escaping the hell they are in within their relationships, so cut the emotional blackmail shit Victor I m not buying, nor do I back anyone to be abused fucking twat

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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:02 am

darknessss wrote:you clearly have NO idea about people and what drives them, what motivates or controls their decisions...and here's me thinking you knew something of psychology...

you really ARE a sanctimonious tit didge....

you have NO idea of what emotional blackmail can do
what emotional abuse can do to some one

FFS man why do you think I put up with both physical AND emotional abuse for 15 FUCKING YEARS

YOU ARE A STUPID SANCTIMONIOUS PILLOCK WITH FUCK ALL EXPERIENCE OF LIFE
now fuck off...


That is a very good Point
how many people stay in abusive relationship for 'the children' etc. abuse is not always Physical. Neutral
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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:03 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Brasidas wrote:I guess Victor cannot explain then


Opps

be careful what you wish for Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
Some of the Chicks from Buzzfeed will be here to castrate you shortly Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool Cool
(no your, "but they had enough freedom to cheat" wont save you)

My opinion on the issue (which I have been assured by the women on Buzzfeed doesn't count because I have testicles  David Cameron Fights for oppression and destruction of western ideals  - Page 3 4152582110 ) is that yes in OUR Secular society people do have the capacity to leave a relationship... but we also have the freedom to cheat if we want to, of course our partners have the right to leave if they don't like it.


The view was on whether it is morally or ethically right to cheat, my view is it is not to then be presented with extreme cases of abuse or laws, none of which I back happening to people, but on the view if people have the ability to have an affair they have the ability to get out of a relationship and now Victor has fucked me right off suggesting I back such shit the fucking idiot
This was an argument on concept

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:05 am

veya_victaous wrote:
darknessss wrote:you clearly have NO idea about people and what drives them, what motivates or controls their decisions...and here's me thinking you knew something of psychology...

you really ARE a sanctimonious tit didge....

you have NO idea of what emotional blackmail can do
what emotional abuse can do to some one

FFS man why do you think I put up with both physical AND emotional abuse for 15 FUCKING YEARS

YOU ARE A STUPID SANCTIMONIOUS PILLOCK WITH FUCK ALL EXPERIENCE OF LIFE
now fuck off...


That is a very good Point
how many people stay in abusive relationship for 'the children' etc. abuse is not always Physical. Neutral

and unless you have been there you have NO IDEA of what it does to you ...you cannot immagine it...

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:07 am

veya_victaous wrote:
darknessss wrote:you clearly have NO idea about people and what drives them, what motivates or controls their decisions...and here's me thinking you knew something of psychology...

you really ARE a sanctimonious tit didge....

you have NO idea of what emotional blackmail can do
what emotional abuse can do to some one

FFS man why do you think I put up with both physical AND emotional abuse for 15 FUCKING YEARS

YOU ARE A STUPID SANCTIMONIOUS PILLOCK WITH FUCK ALL EXPERIENCE OF LIFE
now fuck off...


That is a very good Point
how many people stay in abusive relationship for 'the children' etc. abuse is not always Physical. Neutral



Well in this case that is even worse because of the harm it does to children where two parents do not love each other and have seen this countless times, one thing I certainly do not agree with, You have two unhappy parents stating together thinking it is for the children, doing this in the belief it does, but it never does, as it can and does affect he children far worse, because they see their parents unhappy and it reflects on them also
Seriously how on earth did this get turned around to all this, when my view was on something being morally wrong to no making out I am heartless, when i hate abuse to people and victor can go fuck himself, the blame game is his niche it seems, where now I am fault for things he chose himself to decide on
That is not my fucking fault

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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:17 am

Brasidas wrote:


The view was on whether it is morally or ethically right to cheat, my view is it is not to then be presented with extreme cases of abuse or laws, none of which I back happening to people, but on the view if people have the ability to have an affair they have the ability to get out of a relationship and now Victor has fucked me right off suggesting I back such shit the fucking idiot
This was an argument on concept

I have already learned that I cannot apply my Morality to the other members of society only the agreed upon laws count Wink trust me thing would be different if I were in Charge (Animal Cruelty penalties would be 10 time what they are now for 1).. But I'm not, such a shame Sad Sad Sad Laughing
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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:17 am

http://www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/children_witnessing_domestic_violence.html


I am sory you went through hell Victor, I never even knew, but to turn around  debate that was just on the concept of affairs as ethically wrong to then use this as a means to get at me I find appalling. I would never have wished you to go through that, but to use this on me when I hate such things has angered me beyond belief when i was just debating a concept.

I hope you are fucking proud of yourself for now fucking upsetting me

thanks a fucking bunch

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Post by Guest Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:19 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Brasidas wrote:


The view was on whether it is morally or ethically right to cheat, my view is it is not to then be presented with extreme cases of abuse or laws, none of which I back happening to people, but on the view if people have the ability to have an affair they have the ability to get out of a relationship and now Victor has fucked me right off suggesting I back such shit the fucking idiot
This was an argument on concept

I have already learned that I cannot apply my Morality to the other members of society only the agreed upon laws count Wink  trust me thing would be different if I were in Charge (Animal Cruelty penalties would be 10 time what they are now for 1).. But I'm not, such a shame Sad Sad Sad  Laughing



To be honest Veya I am too angry to angry that someone has tried to make me out in a way I am not, to me it was a debate on a concept, not how I actually feel on things.

Good night

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Post by veya_victaous Fri Jan 16, 2015 12:25 am

Brasidas wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Brasidas wrote:


The view was on whether it is morally or ethically right to cheat, my view is it is not to then be presented with extreme cases of abuse or laws, none of which I back happening to people, but on the view if people have the ability to have an affair they have the ability to get out of a relationship and now Victor has fucked me right off suggesting I back such shit the fucking idiot
This was an argument on concept

I have already learned that I cannot apply my Morality to the other members of society only the agreed upon laws count Wink  trust me thing would be different if I were in Charge (Animal Cruelty penalties would be 10 time what they are now for 1).. But I'm not, such a shame Sad Sad Sad  Laughing



To be honest Veya I am too angry to angry that someone has tried to make me out in a way I am not, to me it was a debate on a concept, not how I actually feel on things.

Good night

If anyone follows the thread they can see where Your words were twisted Wink
don't be upset this is the internet after all "Accurate portraits of peoples opinions" are not something it is known for Neutral
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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:12 am

SO any way related to OP

http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/snowden-leaks-five-eyes-alliance-australian-involvement-detailed/story-fnjwnj25-1227191761395

From the eyes of the military, mass digital surveillance of the internet is just “phase 0”. This mass surveillance includes anything from private Facebook messages, to internet browsing history and even what has been purchased online. The surveillance will apparently be used to detect vulnerabilities in enemy computer systems, to then infiltrate and gain permanent access.

Once that is done, words like “dominate”, “control” and “destroy” get thrown around to describe what Five Eyes will do after a successful phase 0.

The documents show there is little differentiation between targets and civilians, with any internet user a possible victim. It’s through certain viruses that are injected in everyday internet tools like Facebook chat that the group can intercept content on your computer and take complete control of it.

Let’s not forget what the US was able to do with Israel back in 2010 when it caused physical damage to Iran’s nuclear capabilities by deploying a virus that destroyed much of the country’s ability to enrich uranium. That was 2010, now the NSA and Five Eyes are even deadlier.

And they will use their tools against anyone who isn’t a part of the Five Eyes alliance.

SO does this make it PRETTY FUCKING OBVIOUS that we cannot trust our gov't (to act in our interests regarding secret intelligence)and that we are actually the nations in the Wrong here as we started doing the bad stuff first and do it most.
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