Polish migrants almost 20pc more likely to work than Britons

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Polish people living in Britain are almost 20 per cent more likely to have a job than those born in the UK, a study of official figures shows.

New Analysis of findings from the 2011 Census by the Office for National Statistics shows that Polish-born residents of England and Wales have the highest employment rate of any other group when analysed by birth.

It also shows that migrants from EU countries have dramatically higher levels of employment than those from non-European countries.

Overall 81.2 per cent of working-age Polish born residents of England and Wales on census day were working, compared with only 69 per cent of their UK-born counterparts and only 59 per cent of those from outside the European Union.

Although employment levels among migrants were lower overall than the British born population (63.2 per cent), the ONS said overseas students largely accounted for the difference.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11207980/Polish-migrants-almost-20pc-more-likely-to-work-than-Britons.html

More drivel......



As a child of immigrants I don't expect you to feel the same historical connections to this country as I do with my ancestral history.....

Again that is irrelevant when I no doubt have more historical connection to this country but in a different way, where no doubt that will leave you scratching your head as to why.
Which of course does nothing by you to refute my points.

You have no points, just irrelevant waffle based in fantasy.....

Really by answers like that.
Proving you live under an illusion.

Brasidas wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:did you read???
All teens are lazy FACT they are Probably NOT increasingly Lazy at all no more so than You or I were at that age.

I NEVER SAID WHITE BRITS you are racist and completely concerned with skin Colour Which Proves the point that ALL Teens are Lazy but if a Black kid and a white kid asked YOU for a job we all know which one you would give it to.

And NO they never wanted those jobs they were going to Commonwealth Backpackers Before you Joined the EU

Do you see the major Flaw in your argument
IF they weren't Lazy why don't they have jobs? because they are Lazier than the Poles that happily work harder for less  You used the argument to discriminate against Disabled people but apparently Unfair to do to an able bodied white kid.

No not all teens are lazy, that is complete babble.
That is also a poor stereo type and racist on the Brits, because you are claiming British people are thus inferior to Polish people and hence why you do not even understand racism. Yes some British people are lazy but so are some Polish people, but it actually had more to do with a poor benefit system that allowed for people to be paid better than to work.
No wonder you are clueless when you make such poor stereotype points and prove your racist hatred of the British.


To Tommy you can still avoid these major points and questions I have put to you, it proves you have no case

all(99%) teens are lazy in comparison to a responsible adult trying to feed a family that is just reality of having a good/strong society with social security it's not just Brits, Aussies too. We could have the same issues if our economy slowed down.

which is the point TM misses... if you can keep the economy growing you can negate these problems.
Rather than Blaming immigrants they should be investing in innovation and encouraging entrepreneurs to make more/better jobs in Britain. this is a Capitalist problem and can be solved with more Capitalism.

Tommy Monk wrote:More drivel......



As a child of immigrants I don't expect you to feel the same historical connections to this country as I do with my ancestral history.....

THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE PEOPLE WITH MY ATTITUDE TOWARD BRITAIN

Fuckers Invade everywhere ruin countless cultures and now the shoe is on the other foot cry like babies and act like they are So hard done by having to take like a tenth back of what they put on others.

stuff you veya, you "chip on shoulder" "native"

I'M not reponsible for what my ancestors did, nor do I particularly think they did very much right at all....

the world would be an INFINITELY better place had they "star trek like" applied a "prime directive" to those "wild places"....

of course, you realise that you would STILL be living in the stone age dont you?

Veya fails to recognise that it was down to a ruling elite who also subjugated the vast majority of British people too.



And also forgets that although there were some quite unsavory things that these ruling elite were responsible for in lands overseas, they brought immeasurable amounts of good things too.


And without this, as victor quite rightly points out, many of you would still be sitting under a bush picking dingleberries out of each others arses and howling at the moon!!!

Tommy, I recon a good 2/3rds of those on here do that anyway...at least as far as howling at the moon goes

#fruitloops

So how does that change the fact that the UK now want something no one else got because of the UK?
Hypocrites. and Anyway it is the UK that need improving now so Immigrants it is.

What I am on the other side of the world that gives me every right to decide that you are primitive and your culture need to be destroyed  UK decided that for others            and You seem to forget English rich that are Englishman's fault for not putting them in a Guillotine.

who care if you are responsible or not, the UK invasions prove being responsible for something doesn't mean shit. (well plenty of things before that too)

and Irony, Pretty sure I have made the arguments about how backward Europe is now compared with 'new world' nations, basically stone age... so NOW you need us to force change on you too

Mass immigration from 3rd world nations has been ruining this country, we don't need any more of it thank-you....

@TM
the Aboriginals said the same thing about people coming from England

The real point is no one get a choice in these things options are accept it and move forward or be crushed by inevitable change.

I do think immigration could be handled better in the UK, there are several issue that relate back to decade old decisions. Most of which come down to choosing not to invest in improving infrastructure earlier. best example is the NHS not much different to Aussie Medicare but where over the past 20 years we have massively increased investment to accommodate the immigration the UK has not. So now it is all strained under the pressure and the way the finances work in universal health care means that you cant fix it today you can only improve it in the future (you pay for current the services in the previous years taxes).


Victor's point in the other thread about blaming the unemployed can easily be applied to immigrants as well. Ultimately they are coming because businesses what cheaper labor that complains less than the Englishman(or Aussie) will. We have Gina Rinehart constantly trying to reduce minimum wage and conditions here, It's not a British specific problem it is just how you deal with it.

double edge sword of Capitalism.

So British tax payers should have paid extra towards upgrading infrastructure to a level beyond what they needed to accommodate a massive influx of immigrants that they didn't want......




And If given the chance would have voted against...!?




Our labour party are supposedly there to look after the British workers while our conservative party are supposedly racist and interested in cutting spending......



So how is it that between the two over the last few decades, we have seen a mass of immigration that not only undermined the British workers but also saw racists import loads of foreigners they hate who also added extra costs to the govt funds...!!!???

Yes like Aussies did (or anyone with a working universal health system)

you don't get a choice or you get as much choice as an Aboriginal did when their world changed (and it change much more them then you so think yourself lucky)

I don't know what you think the world is but it is not England sitting there getting not effected by everyone else.

Again you cant vote against it.  you can resist and get crushed or you can adapt and move forward. that is just reality like hundreds of other cultures have had to face.

Tommy Monk wrote:So British tax payers should have paid extra towards upgrading infrastructure to a level beyond what they needed to accommodate a massive influx of immigrants that they didn't want......




And If given the chance would have voted against...!?




Our labour party are supposedly there to look after the British workers while our conservative party are supposedly racist and interested in cutting spending......



So how is it that between the two over the last few decades, we have seen a mass of immigration that not only undermined the British workers but also saw racists import loads of foreigners they hate who also added extra costs to the govt funds...!!!???

Many of our younger people lost out on jobs because they didn't have the required skills to do the work. While we were more interested in our young people getting qualifications to go to college or Uni Poland were placing more emphasis than we were in their people learning greater trade skills in apprenticeships. We used to be like that where the aim of so many was to be a joiner, a spark or a plumber etc. Nowadays they all want degrees - fine but it does create an imbalance in our workforce skill requirements for certain jobs.

Polish tradesmen come ready made off the shelf and are available to work with no need to train them. And with a massive requirement to to upgrade our infrastructure they're here to fill the void.

Just part of the problem I know but somewhat relevant I believe.

Tommy, please don't speak as though you speak for every Englishman or Brit out there when you come out with BS lines like you did against didge's ancestry. You don't speak for me or millions of other forward thinking Britons out there, thank you.

veya_victaous wrote:
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What I am on the other side of the world that gives me every right to decide that you are primitive and your culture need to be destroyed  UK decided that for others            and You seem to forget English rich that are Englishman's fault for not putting them in a Guillotine.

who care if you are responsible or not, the UK invasions prove being responsible for something doesn't mean shit. (well plenty of things before that too)

and Irony, Pretty sure I have made the arguments about how backward Europe is now compared with 'new world' nations, basically stone age... so NOW you need us to force change on you too

               

So immigrants who created the need for extra housing also had the skills to build this housing for themselves.....


Great!!!




While UK youth were being denied funding for training and being hit with tuition fees for other higher education, the JIB was out in eastern EU setting up training centres.....



Funny that.....




And before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I'm in The industry!



And you don't need any qualifications to be a labourer, just a basic CSCS card to get on site, but all across London the sites are full of Bulgarian and Romanian labourers.

Oh and here's another thing.....



"...Under EU law, UK businesses can recruit up to 20 foreign employees per year and as an added ‘bonus’ Brussels will offer to pay up to £1,000, in cash, for companies that hire foreign workers from within the EU.

In addition to company ‘bribes’, the EU is also offering thousands of young people cash payments of £1,000 and upwards to take a job in the UK as part of the European Commission ‘initiative’...'


http://www.ukimmigrationbarristers.com/blog/the-bribe-of-brussels-uk-companies-offered-1000-in-cash-by-brussels-to-employ-foreign-workers/



And our taxpayers money is going to the EU to pay for this!!!!



Out of EU now!!!!



Vote UKIP!

Oh dear:

There is no bribe the money clerly goes to the immigrants:



Firms taking on non-UK workers qualify for a payment from Brussels worth up to £870 for every EU citizen they employ, to help pay for English lessons and other training.
Employers can recruit up to 20 foreign workers a year through the EU scheme, which is run with the co-operation of British JobCentres.
Jobless youngsters across Europe can qualify for a grant of £260 to travel to Britain for an interview.
If they land the job they also qualify for an £870 grant to help with the costs of moving to this country.

You obviously didn't read the words properly dodge.....

I do and have read more, it is funny how medias can play on words, when not reading them properly.

The bit I quoted is quite unambiguous.