Polish migrants almost 20pc more likely to work than Britons

Polish people living in Britain are almost 20 per cent more likely to have a job than those born in the UK, a study of official figures shows.

New Analysis of findings from the 2011 Census by the Office for National Statistics shows that Polish-born residents of England and Wales have the highest employment rate of any other group when analysed by birth.

It also shows that migrants from EU countries have dramatically higher levels of employment than those from non-European countries.

Overall 81.2 per cent of working-age Polish born residents of England and Wales on census day were working, compared with only 69 per cent of their UK-born counterparts and only 59 per cent of those from outside the European Union.

Although employment levels among migrants were lower overall than the British born population (63.2 per cent), the ONS said overseas students largely accounted for the difference.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11207980/Polish-migrants-almost-20pc-more-likely-to-work-than-Britons.html

and?

it would seen quite natural for this to be the case, after all the exploiters employers pay em less than minimum wage, no holidays etc etc ....(dont forget MOST will be employed via so called employment agencies)
terrible conditions....

they get away with it of course because these folks are happy to live 96 of em to a garden shed of a two up two down

I very much doubt many are paid less than the minimum wage victor, that would have shown up here on this study

Since 2004 unemployment rate in Poland halved from 20% to around 10% while our youth unemployment doubled to over 20%.



They may be mostly working here but they are mostly doing the jobs that our own youth would have got, but instead we pay them to sit on the dole while their life opportunities evaporate.

I beg to differ on that Tommy, being as this country was at one point crying out for foreign workers, because it pain for many to be on benefits than to work, which is where the problem arose under Labour.
So they took on jobs that many other were not willing to do.

Bollocks, they took on jobs that our youth would have been doing, that's why there is a direct correlation in the youth unemployment rate rising as more polish came here and their unemployment rate in Poland being halved over 10 years.



Black youth unemployment is up to about 50% on I'm sure you are happy about that too....

It is not bollocks, the fact is you are now trying to deny people were not on a culture of benefits where they were better off on benefits than working?
Yes that is bollocks to deny that, which is a fact, all of which you are ignoring where again look back to the time where employers were crying out for people to do my jobs, that is a fact.
You buy into too much UKIP bollocks, that is your failing

http://www.management-issues.com/news/3652/professional-poles-filling-uk-skill-gaps/

https://www.thecaterer.com/articles/314637/why-aren-t-young-brits-choosing-the-industry-as-a-career

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2006/aug/22/immigrationpolicy.immigration

I'd be interested to know if Victor's right about the exploitation going on with Polish workers. Given a competent and productive candidate, the number one reason an employer hires a worker is "they'll work for peanuts" and "they won't hassle me about their so-called 'rights' as a worker."

It sounds to me like a lot of people left their lives behind in Poland for one British workers don't want. And the British workers seem to blame the Polish rather than the British employers. (Or they blame the government for letting them in, but why would the government do that unless it was lobbied to by employers that wanted cheaper labor?)

Ben_Reilly wrote:I'd be interested to know if Victor's right about the exploitation going on with Polish workers. Given a competent and productive candidate, the number one reason an employer hires a worker is "they'll work for peanuts" and "they won't hassle me about their so-called 'rights' as a worker."

It sounds to me like a lot of people left their lives behind in Poland for one British workers don't want. And the British workers seem to blame the Polish rather than the British employers. (Or they blame the government for letting them in, but why would the government do that unless it was lobbied to by employers that wanted cheaper labor?)

Bingo.
Again the employers were crying out for people to fill vacancies where again it paid to be out of work than in within the minimum paid area of work, which it can also be debated that employers should have been paying more, but he reality is there were people on benefits better off than half decent wages. The reality is it was not just minimum wage jobs, there was a massive shortage of skilled workers also.
People have come here for a new life just like Brits do going abroad for work and it is so wrong to blame them for wanting work which others turned their noses up. They have every right to and get bored how they are wrongly blamed Even worse it is within this group who allowed for immigration to spiral because they would not take on work, are now the ones moaning about immigration.

You reap what you sow.

Now it's the youth who are crying out for work after seeing jobs they would have got go to slightly older and slightly wiser polish immigrants.



We were told it would only be a few thousand coming, it's nearer a million!



Check the figures, unemployment in Poland halved since 2004 and our youth unemployment doubled to over 20% in the same period, with black youth being now around 50% unemployed.




The correlation is undeniable and I have already proved this to be the case on another thread elsewhere.

Yes and its all those Brits who are now moaning about immigration that have created this problem, the same whingers who vote for UKIp, ll of which they created.
The irony.
It matters not about Polish unemployment going down, the fact is this country was crying out for placements to be filled all of which was not happening as seen by the countless evidence presented, all of which many EU immigrant were over qualified took un lesser pain jobs, showing there was a poor culture at the time by some Brits. That is a fact.





http://www.director.co.uk/MAGAZINE/2006/10%20Oct/migrant_60_3.html

Polish migrants have just about cornered the market in the mobile phone shops in and around Edinburgh both in the mainstream outlets and smaller mobile phone repair outlets. I've been in several recently and each time I was dealing with a Polish person. They're certainly very efficient, pleasant and they know their business.

You cannot get away from the unemployment figures, our youth unemployment doubled while Poland halved.


Our youth have been squeezed out of opportunities by slightly older, slightly wiser and slightly more qualified polish immigrants.

They are meaningless when as shown people were not willing here to take up jobs, thus those who preferred to stay on benefits allowed for the immigration situation we see today, that is a fact. If they had taken up the jobs that industries were crying out for, less immigrants would be here, because they would not have the jobs they have today, again that is a fact.
Conclusion British people thus themselves created the mass immigration, the same ones bellyaching about it.

You keep ignoring reality.


Youth are crying out for jobs but are getting overlooked in favour of slightly older, slightly wiser and slightly more qualified polish immigrants.

You are ignoring the facts.
Was many jobs not being filled by British people?
Yes
Who took up these jobs that were not being filled?
Immigrants.
Cause for mass immigration.
Lazy Brits on benefits

Wrong dodge, youth have been crying out for work for the last decade while youth unemployment doubled.

I am not wrong, why were employers screaming out for people to fill jobs?
Because Brits were not taking them

Fact, thus people like you who have been on benefits for years have created this mass immigration.

Tommy Monk wrote:Wrong dodge, youth have been crying out for work for the last decade while youth unemployment doubled.

that's not true
Aussie backpacker used to go to London to take the jobs Young Brits thought they were too good for

like didge said reap what you sow.

we have the same here to a lesser extent because we have better economic growth. the worst jobs are taken by immigrants

Bullshit, our youth have been crying out for jobs over the last decade while youth unemployment doubled.



If you are saying that our youth are just lazy then you must also be saying that black youth are particularly lazy because the unemployment rate for black youth is much worse at around 50%!!!

I provided the evidence which you have yet been unable to refute, this evidence proved many jobs were not being filled.
Fact
Are you now claiming there was not a culture of people being better off on benefits?
What has the colour of skin got to do with being lazy?
This is what makes me laugh, you want to now make some daft debate on the colour of skin.

For the record Didge you are not the Same sort of Racist as Tommy

you are smarter, which make it more annoying

Tommy Monk wrote:Bullshit, our youth have been crying out for jobs over the last decade while youth unemployment doubled.



If you are saying that our youth are just lazy then you must also be saying that black youth are particularly lazy because the unemployment rate for black youth is much worse at around 50%!!!

Or black youth are just as lazy and when companioned with the inherent Racism in the UK leads to greater unemployment.

It is reality TM
rich kids (which all Aussies and Brits are by world standards) are far less willing to put up with shit since they don't have to and have higher exceptions. People that have experienced poverty or have much lower exceptions regarding pay and right are obviously going to accept a lower remuneration and more willing to take dirty jobs that they consider well paid even if the locals do not.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/london-rolls-out-welcome-mat-to-aussies-with-plans-to-make-living-and-working-in-uk-easier/story-e6frfq80-1227113120861

seems you want us back... can't blame you but we wont work as cheap as the Poles..... Probably a scam by the smart people in the UK to try and get out here. Mind you we lose fools that think anything good could come out of living in the Isle of Misery so win win really.

Mr Johnson’s idea to make Australia a “bilateral mobility zone”, which would allow Australian and UK citizens freedom to live and work in each others’ countries, based on the model of the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement between Australia and New Zealand.

Annual migration from Australia to the UK has dropped dramatically over the past 15 years, from 40,000 in 1999 to 26,000 in 2011.

The report argues that this is because Commonwealth citizens are forced to jump through too many hoops to score a visa, and because of Prime Minister David Cameron’s pledge in 2010 to restrict migration levels to tens of thousands.

Because the European Union rules allow its citizens freedom to live and work anywhere in the region, visa caps have disproportionately affected people from Commonwealth countries, such as Australia.

You can't get away from the facts.


Since Poland gained free movement in 2004, their unemployment rate halved while our youth unemployment doubled...



We were told 'only a few' thousand would come but it's more like a million.



If you think that didn't affect our youths chances of getting employment then you are totally wrong.





I see how quick you blamed racism for the 50% black youth unemployment rate but are equally as quick to declare others are just lazy based on nothing more than nationality/ethnicity.....



And quick to declare that all white British are 'rich'....



You pass facts through your leftie programmed filter and convert it into pure bullshit!

Umm All Brits(all colours) are Rich (like Aussies) if you don't realise that maybe that is why you have such a misaligned world view. Yes some people are poorer than other brits but by world standards Not actually poor.

I said black UK teens are lazy like all teens in the west (reality caused by circumstance) but they have an additional disadvantage.

No one is saying the Poles are not taking the jobs they are saying the Brits never wanted them until they were gone.... exactly the same here instead of Poles it is South East Asians and Indians.... It is definitely worth an Aussie learning a bit about the Philippines since there is a good chance if you make it to a retirement home you will have a Fillo nurse.

Wrong, UK youths want the jobs but were increasingly denied as a flood of slightly older, slightly wiser and slightly better qualified polish and other EU nationals arrived and took them instead.




We have seen UK youths sending out 100's of applications every month and getting nothing while.....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325013/Migrants-took-9-10-jobs-created-Labour.html





Yeah, you keep up waffling your bullshit that white Brit youth are increasingly lazy, black youth are not lazy but increasingly victims of racism, while employers were increasingly racist but gave so many of the jobs to other foreigners.....


A million polish came in from 2004, their unemployment rate in Poland halved while our youth unemployment doubled.



Do you see the major flaws in your bullshit argument (excuses) yet...???

did you read???
All teens are lazy FACT they are Probably NOT increasingly Lazy at all no more so than You or I were at that age.

I NEVER SAID WHITE BRITS you are racist and completely concerned with skin Colour Which Proves the point that ALL Teens are Lazy but if a Black kid and a white kid asked YOU for a job we all know which one you would give it to.

And NO they never wanted those jobs they were going to Commonwealth Backpackers Before you Joined the EU

Do you see the major Flaw in your argument
IF they weren't Lazy why don't they have jobs? because they are Lazier than the Poles that happily work harder for less You used the argument to discriminate against Disabled people but apparently Unfair to do to an able bodied white kid.

So if not increasingly lazy then the only reason our youth unemployment doubled since 2004 when we had a million polish flood in is .....???




Answer.... the polish took the jobs that would have otherwise gone to our youth!!!!




Costing us more in unemployment benefit to pay to the UK youth than the new arrivals paid in taxes.



Plus these poles were either sending/taking money out of our economy to back home, or arrived with Mrs and children and putting extra costs on to our schools at £5-6000 per child per school place. And claiming the extra benefits in child allowance and tax credits.


So overall net cost whatever way you look at it is massively more than they could ever contribute in taxes as well as the increasing lack of opportunity for our own youth.


This influx also drove up costs of living while driving down wages.



Economic madness!!!!



But if you lefties understood economics and finances then you wouldn't leave the country in such a fucking disasterous state of financial ruin every time you got your hands on things!!!!

all that is lack of innovation in the UK so it fails to create new job to match growth.

Why hasn't the UK taken advantage of the new trade arrangements... maybe it is not the teens but you business people that are lazy
AND RW want cheap labour, immigration for cheap labour is a RW creation. it is the Heart of Globalised Capitalism and that is RW policy. (LW would be communist)

So Since you don't even know which side is Left and Right I think that is enough for today see you tomorrow

Another example of a leftie being stunned by the reality of pure logic and facts and running away.....

veya_victaous wrote:did you read???
All teens are lazy FACT they are Probably NOT increasingly Lazy at all no more so than You or I were at that age.

I NEVER SAID WHITE BRITS you are racist and completely concerned with skin Colour Which Proves the point that ALL Teens are Lazy but if a Black kid and a white kid asked YOU for a job we all know which one you would give it to.

And NO they never wanted those jobs they were going to Commonwealth Backpackers Before you Joined the EU

Do you see the major Flaw in your argument
IF they weren't Lazy why don't they have jobs? because they are Lazier than the Poles that happily work harder for less  You used the argument to discriminate against Disabled people but apparently Unfair to do to an able bodied white kid.

No not all teens are lazy, that is complete babble.
That is also a poor stereo type and racist on the Brits, because you are claiming British people are thus inferior to Polish people and hence why you do not even understand racism. Yes some British people are lazy but so are some Polish people, but it actually had more to do with a poor benefit system that allowed for people to be paid better than to work.
No wonder you are clueless when you make such poor stereotype points and prove your racist hatred of the British.


To Tommy you can still avoid these major points and questions I have put to you, it proves you have no case

Wait, so if British employers want to hire cheap EU labor, the answer is to cut off the supply?

What does that look like, a nation of overpaid lazy people who got jobs on the dubious virtue of where they happened to have been born? What does that do to the UK's competitiveness in the world economy? To the quality of UK exports?

It seems to me that if the minimum wage isn't satisfactory, raise it. Then maybe British people might actually try harder to get those jobs. But a nation with a labor policy that rewards nationality over skill ... come on, that won't end well.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wait, so if British employers want to hire cheap EU labor, the answer is to cut off the supply?

What does that look like, a nation of overpaid lazy people who got jobs on the dubious virtue of where they happened to have been born? What does that do to the UK's competitiveness in the world economy? To the quality of UK exports?

It seems to me that if the minimum wage isn't satisfactory, raise it. Then maybe British people might actually try harder to get those jobs. But a nation with a labor policy that rewards nationality over skill ... come on, that won't end well.

Hang on you are also making a poor stereotype to the British people and it should not be down to wage either when people should work which has now changed due to the benefit system being changed, which is why because the benefits are not as good as working that people now have to work.
I agree on the fact we should allow anyone to work here not based on being born here but please spare the poor stereotypes, when many British people are not only in employment but work very hard

Brasidas wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Wait, so if British employers want to hire cheap EU labor, the answer is to cut off the supply?

What does that look like, a nation of overpaid lazy people who got jobs on the dubious virtue of where they happened to have been born? What does that do to the UK's competitiveness in the world economy? To the quality of UK exports?

It seems to me that if the minimum wage isn't satisfactory, raise it. Then maybe British people might actually try harder to get those jobs. But a nation with a labor policy that rewards nationality over skill ... come on, that won't end well.

Hang on you are also making a poor stereotype to the British people and it should not be down to wage either when people should work which has now changed due to the benefit system being changed, which is why because the benefits are not as good as working that people now have to work.
I agree on the fact we should allow anyone to work here not based on being born here but please spare the poor stereotypes, when many British people are not only in employment but work very hard

Sorry Brasidas -- I meant that more as a counter to Tommy's points. I don't think the British people don't want to work or are more lazy; it seems that Tommy hates immigrants so much he'll drag his own country under the bus if it means arguing to keep out EU labor ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Brasidas wrote:

Hang on you are also making a poor stereotype to the British people and it should not be down to wage either when people should work which has now changed due to the benefit system being changed, which is why because the benefits are not as good as working that people now have to work.
I agree on the fact we should allow anyone to work here not based on being born here but please spare the poor stereotypes, when many British people are not only in employment but work very hard

Sorry Brasidas -- I meant that more as a counter to Tommy's points. I don't think the British people don't want to work or are more lazy; it seems that Tommy hates immigrants so much he'll drag his own country under the bus if it means arguing to keep out EU labor ...

No need to say sorry Ben, this is a debate, and Tommy thinks sadly being born to a land he never attributed to the benefits he receives allows for him to decide the fate of others, when clearly he has no rights to do so. Sadly we are heading for troubled times ahead because people are allowing fear to rule who they vote for in the next election, based off poor arguments made on immigration.

NO SURPRISE whatsover to see more of that anti-worker b/s printed in Murdoch's flagship newspaper...

THE nasty old fuck and all of his sycophant publications and TV stations have been pushing the same old "ban the minimum wage/enslave the unemployed/deregulate business" propaganda for the past few years..

TYPICAL News Ltd machinations.

Our govts prime responsibility is to look after the British people, most employers here didn't just pop up overnight, they are here and have been for decades and even centuries in some instances and purely as a result of the British people setting them up and the British people being hard working and industrious enough to make them successful.


So yes, being born here and being British should and will give us more right to the jobs available here, just like others being born in other countries will have greater access to those jobs and industries that are in their countries, and the product of their peoples previous hard work and investment.


If a company wants to set up business in some third world shit hole or in some cheaper EU nation then they are free to do so.


And some companies have actually moved from here doing exactly that!!!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-385677/The-sauce-HP-quitting-Britain-Holland.html


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/2816921/Cadbury-to-move-jobs-to-Poland.html


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/cadbury-closes-british-factory-to-move-101746

No it does not, there is no bases for such a view to think being born on a land gives you rights, it is only others that allow for you to have this right, which is why it is so absurd.
The fact is your are only benefitting from being born here as it is nothing you or many others have done to then benefit from this, showing even more the absurd beleif people have thinking birth right, an elitist ideal gives them the right to deny others.

Many companies already have companies abroad and it is mainly are membership in the EU that allows for this nation to have sites in the UK.

Again the reality is UKIp has no conception of what is achieveable outside the EU, it is a lottery one of which can easily backfire on the UK because it has to negoatiate.

Rubbish dodge.



You think all the blood, sweat and tears the British people have put in to this country over centuries to build it up means nothing!?



All the hard work done and taxes paid over centuries means nothing?



Fuck off you twat!

Not the best advert for UKIP are you Tommy.
So what other millions of people have done over centuries you should benefit from based only on you being born here, though this is the only connection you have.
Again absurd.
So mnany people have helped adavnce this society, yet you think being born onto a land, thus nothing you have done means you should benefit.
Again absurd.

Do not forgtet Tommy, the socity today you benefit from cameabout through lots of plundered and taking adavnatge of nations robbing them of their wealth. To the point this plunder kenabled the industrial revolution. Yet you think this is right then that you should benefit from wrongs done in the past that because we did rob much of the world, which due to this, allowed for the society to advance. So to claim tax is nothing short of babble, it was plunder which allowed for a few within society to have the time to adavance society.
You think you should benefit from conquests and plunder.
Again absurd

Not only on being born here, that is the claim of some of the immigrant children....



My family history here goes back centuries.



My family and ancestors poured in blood sweat and tears, worked hard and paid taxes into building up this great nation to what it is today so it is of course my heritage and birthright to benefit from the hard work of my ancestors.


That's the whole reason we work hard and make things better for our children and their children, not to just hand it over to anyone else who just pops up on our shores from overseas.

I could care less if your family has been here years, they are just one family, where again their input would no doubt be a tiny dot in regards to the formation of how the country stands today. Again this country elevated its position through plundere and that enabled events like the industraial revolution, so to say just because others lived here thus also gives you some right is also absurd.

Again this nation would not be in the economic wealth position it is in without conquestion and plunder, which does not give you any right to claim rights over others, in fact it is the same policy, one of thinking you can make decisions on others.

A nation is formed and has been formed from many people who have migrated to this nation, your ancestors no doubt once came here also, so your argument is based on a principle of who came here first, which as seen would be asurd also.

The reality is someone can easily argue they should have far more rights than you based off your prinicple and logic if their family has paid vastly more, which is no doubt the case with yourself. This shows where your argument is going to fall apart. You are then saying you should have more say than others if they pay less into the system. which is again absurd. Again this methodology is like a club,. you never formed or created but were acceopted soley only on birth right and yet then think because you are a memevber that this gives you exclusive rights to decide who else can join, even though you do not own the club.

Again absurd.

More bullshit.


My family tree spreads far and wide throughout the UK and IS the fabric of this nation, just like all the other British families who also ploughed in blood sweat and tears, worked hard and paid taxes to build this country what it is today.



Maybe you don't understand this historical bond and heritage as you are a child of immigrants....

Again your family being here is irrelevant, so you need to think harder to counter my points, all you are doing is just saying you think you have a right based on that line going back. Which others will claim the same view being reletaed to you going back 200,000 years. You see it is easy to show up such flawed thinking, when your view is illogical.

I am very proud to be British an English,. this though does not require me to deny any others this right to be the same, as both words are inventions to discribe a people born from many ethnic groups.
.

You need to think harder, being born onto a land does not give you any rights, it is an illusion you think you have, all that happens is somebody decides you can through might.

Laters

Of course it gives me rights you bell end!!!



And you might have a British passport but you are not English dodge.....

No it does not give you rights based on birth on any logical level, only people have decided it does, which is nothing more than an illusion.
By your logic you are not English either as they were the Angles, and the population then adopted their identity, showing why you fail to understand many things. English is just a word to define a people, where here the English is made up of many ethnic groups, this growing century to century.