Obama's announced strategy

UNITED STATES WANTS AUSSIE SOLDIERS TO FIGHT IN IRAQ

The United States is pushing for Australia to contribute special forces soldiers to help an international coalition defeat Islamic State extremists in Iraq. Citing senior government sources, The West Australian reports that Washington wants Australia to send Special Air Service Regiment troops and Commandos.

Australia’s role in a new international coalition taking on extremists in Iraq and Syria will become clearer after President Barack Obama’s speech today.

However, it will not involve coalition troops on the ground in Iraq or Syria.

The Abbott government’s powerful national security committee of cabinet will discuss Australia’s contribution after the address. Australia has so far provided planes for humanitarian airdrops and weapons airlifts.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop has spoken to her new Iraqi counterpart, assuring him Australia is willing to contribute further to efforts to combat rampaging extremist groups.

Original Quill wrote:US already has about 1,600 special ops in there for training.  Soldiers in the loop know that there is no such thing as training.  You're in there to fight.

As soon as one gets killed, there will be more pouring in.  Obama appears to be using his Article 2 powers, which are thin and weak.  He needs Congress to authorize Syria and to authorize the funding.  He won't get it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh look, more bullshit!

We should be nothing more than a cheerleader on this one. No way we come out of this without half the world saying we went to far, the other half saying not far enough. It's a well-earned predicament, given our history. The only way to stop is to actually stop.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Oh look, more bullshit!

We should be nothing more than a cheerleader on this one. No way we come out of this without half the world saying we went to far, the other half saying not far enough. It's a well-earned predicament, given our history. The only way to stop is to actually stop.

New York, NY, August 26, 2014 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today expressed concern over the promotion of conspiracy theories in some countries in the Muslim world connecting Jews to the creation and activity of the terror group the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Prominent public figures including scholars, government officials and clerics from Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Pakistan and elsewhere are promoting a conspiracy theory which suggests that ISIS was “created” by Jews and Zionists with the goal of harming Islam.

“Once again, some religious leaders across the Muslim world are actively promoting and perpetuating anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of Jewish control,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. “This absurd and incendiary claim is gaining traction on social media and only serves to distract people from the deep anti-Semitism in some parts of the Muslim world and combating the serious threat which ISIS poses.”

According to ADL’s Center on Extremism, the following are examples of the growing popularity of the conspiracy theory:

An umbrella group based in Egypt for schol­ars con­nected to Al-Azhar Uni­ver­sity, Egypt’s top reli­gious author­ity, pub­lished a state­ment describ­ing how ISIS and other extrem­ist groups are “[a] Jew­ish prod­uct under var­i­ous names that change every now and then” and cited the head of the association’s chap­ter in Pak­istan as say­ing, “The ter­ror­ist orga­ni­za­tion ISIS is a Zion­ist plot which aims to mur­der Mus­lims, shed their blood, and rape [their] women and girls.”

Ben_Reilly wrote:Hmm. I've learned before not to underestimate Obama's strategery At the same time, I kind of wish we would wait until ISIS has pissed off enough people and gotten big enough that we could just go Normandy Beach on their asses and wage a righteous war, no subtlety or second-guessing.

By the way, did you guys know there's a conspiracy theory saying that ISIS was started by the Jews? That seriously floored me:

New York, NY, August 26, 2014 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today expressed concern over the promotion of conspiracy theories in some countries in the Muslim world connecting Jews to the creation and activity of the terror group the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Prominent public figures including scholars, government officials and clerics from Iraq, Iran, Egypt and Pakistan and elsewhere are promoting a conspiracy theory which suggests that ISIS was “created” by Jews and Zionists with the goal of harming Islam.

“Once again, some religious leaders across the Muslim world are actively promoting and perpetuating anti-Semitic conspiracy theories of Jewish control,” said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. “This absurd and incendiary claim is gaining traction on social media and only serves to distract people from the deep anti-Semitism in some parts of the Muslim world and combating the serious threat which ISIS poses.”

According to ADL’s Center on Extremism, the following are examples of the growing popularity of the conspiracy theory:

An umbrella group based in Egypt for schol­ars con­nected to Al-Azhar Uni­ver­sity, Egypt’s top reli­gious author­ity, pub­lished a state­ment describ­ing how ISIS and other extrem­ist groups are “[a] Jew­ish prod­uct under var­i­ous names that change every now and then” and cited the head of the association’s chap­ter in Pak­istan as say­ing, “The ter­ror­ist orga­ni­za­tion ISIS is a Zion­ist plot which aims to mur­der Mus­lims, shed their blood, and rape [their] women and girls.”

http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/extremism/adl-prominent-public-figures-across-Muslim-world-connecting-jews-to-creation-of-isis.html

Original Quill wrote:Obama makes his plans regarding ISIL in his speech tonight.
1.  475 more troops.
2.  Asks Congress for authority.
3.  Asks Congress for money.
Nothing on coaltion internationally.
Nothing on Islamic nations involving themselves.
Nothing on plans whatsoever.
Overall......:aspffftas:
But that's fine by me. Let Congress take the lead. Let Europe take the lead. Let's get some of the Islamic nations in the fight. It's more theirs than ours.

Tommy Monk wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Obama makes his plans regarding ISIL in his speech tonight.
1.  475 more troops.
2.  Asks Congress for authority.
3.  Asks Congress for money.
Nothing on coaltion internationally.
Nothing on Islamic nations involving themselves.
Nothing on plans whatsoever.
Overall......:aspffftas:
But that's fine by me. Let Congress take the lead. Let Europe take the lead. Let's get some of the Islamic nations in the fight. It's more theirs than ours.

Well actually he did talk about Saudi Arabia, Iraqi and Kurdish forces getting involved and he talked about supporting others who might get involved.

Tommy Monk wrote:Can you put a link to vid please Zack?



CNN) -- U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry is meeting with leaders from key Arab countries in Saudi Arabia on Thursday as he seeks to enlist regional support for a global coalition to defeat ISIS


http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/meast/kerry-mideast-visit-isis/index.html