Reasons NOT to go to War with ISIS

Tony "Bomber" Bower-Miles was a young engineer in the Australian Army when he first went to Vietnam in the late 1960's. Land mines, in particular US made M16 anti-personnel mines, were one of the major threats faced by our troops, and much of Bomber's work involved cleaning up their aftermath along with other explosive ordnance devices (EOD's) positioned by the enemy and used to great effect against Australian troops.

In 2001, Bomber returned to South East Asia, putting his minefield breaching and clearance skills to work in the task of locating and destroying some of the 4 to 6 million land mines that still contaminate Cambodia. On a shoestring budget, Bomber established the Vietnam Veterans' Mine Clearing Team. In early 2008 the Vietnam Veterans Mine Clearing Team - Cambodia Inc was registered as an incorporated entity in Queensland. (IA:36313) and registered with the Australian Government Business Register (ABN. 22 868 580 912). It is also a registered Charity in Queensland.

Australia is proud to be a long-term supporter of mine action in Cambodia.

Since 1994, it has contributed more than A$97 million to support Cambodia’s efforts to clear contam-inated land, educate people about the risks and assist the survivors.

Australia is currently supporting Cambodia’s mine-action efforts through the multi-donor Clearing for Results project.

Now in its second phase (2011-2015), this project is facilitated by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) and managed and implemented by the Cambodian Mine Action and Victim Assistance Authority (CMAA).

It is also funded by Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Ireland, Norway, the UK and the UNDP.

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Yes but Aussie like to clean up their mess.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/glaust/

Tony "Bomber" Bower-Miles was a young engineer in the Australian Army when he first went to Vietnam in the late 1960's. Land mines, in particular US made M16 anti-personnel mines, were one of the major threats faced by our troops, and much of Bomber's work involved cleaning up their aftermath along with other explosive ordnance devices (EOD's) positioned by the enemy and used to great effect against Australian troops.

In 2001, Bomber returned to South East Asia, putting his minefield breaching and clearance skills to work in the task of locating and destroying some of the 4 to 6 million land mines that still contaminate Cambodia. On a shoestring budget, Bomber established the Vietnam Veterans' Mine Clearing Team. In early 2008 the Vietnam Veterans Mine Clearing Team - Cambodia Inc was registered as an incorporated entity in Queensland. (IA:36313) and registered with the Australian Government Business Register (ABN. 22 868 580 912). It is also a registered Charity in Queensland.

http://www.phnompenhpost.com/national/tackling-explosive-issue

Australia is proud to be a long-term supporter of mine action in Cambodia.

Since 1994, it has contributed more than A$97 million to support Cambodia’s efforts to clear contam-inated land, educate people about the risks and assist the survivors.

Australia is currently supporting Cambodia’s mine-action efforts through the multi-donor Clearing for Results project.

Now in its second phase (2011-2015), this project is facilitated by the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) and managed and implemented by the Cambodian Mine Action and Victim Assistance Authority (CMAA).

It is also funded by Austria, Belgium, Canada, France, Ireland, Norway, the UK and the UNDP.

we see USA, as so often, are missing from the list to clean up the Mess left from the Vietnam war and the CIA fighting the 'commies' of South east Asia....
Just because the USA is lacking in morals doesn't mean the rest of the world should be.

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Umm I did approve of Saddam.... He was secular

And also the 'mess'... I'll think you will find the Land mines weren't there until the USA either Buried them or Started selling them in the region

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Umm I did approve of Saddam.... He was secular

And also the 'mess'... I'll think you will find the Land mines weren't there until the USA either Buried them or Started selling them in the region

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Umm I did approve of Saddam.... He was secular

And also the 'mess'... I'll think you will find the Land mines weren't there until the USA either Buried them or Started selling them in the region

If you were a Saddamist, you've got your own explaining to do.

But I'm not here to argue that part of the discussion.  The one's responsible were Republicans.  They are not Americans.

However, Republicans are in control of the Congress today and the same dysfunction can be expected.  They will be unable to get their act together sufficiently to pass a war powers and/or war funding bill.  Hence you won't see more than a couple of drones out of the US.

It's a matter of fact, not debate.  You are on your own Europe.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If you were a Saddamist, you've got your own explaining to do.

But I'm not here to argue that part of the discussion.  The one's responsible were Republicans.  They are not Americans.

However, Republicans are in control of the Congress today and the same dysfunction can be expected.  They will be unable to get their act together sufficiently to pass a war powers and/or war funding bill.  Hence you won't see more than a couple of drones out of the US.

It's a matter of fact, not debate.  You are on your own Europe.

Well, that will be good news if it is just Europe, with no doubt doing a much better job, where America always tends to screw things up.
Also if Republicans voted against any such action, it would be a blunder on their part and cost them the next elections, being as the majority of Americans support action in both Syria and Iraq.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/174310-new-poll-americans-want-war-isis-4-1-margin/


Also many Brits back action:

http://rt.com/uk/184768-britain-military-action-isis/

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well, that will be good news if it is just Europe, with no doubt doing a much better job, where America always tends to screw things up.
Also if Republicans voted against any such action, it would be a blunder on their part and cost them the next elections, being as the majority of Americans support action in both Syria and Iraq.

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/174310-new-poll-americans-want-war-isis-4-1-margin/


Also many Brits back action:

http://rt.com/uk/184768-britain-military-action-isis/

It will be a bit of a change, Didge.  Not since the Falklands war have Americans been able to sit back and enjoy the show over dinner on the 6 PM News.

This is yet another comical consequence of the Republican disarray.  Their prime motive is to make President Obama fail, and if they made a war hero of him they would utterly shoot themselves in the foot.  They have focused in on not supporting or funding anything that he supports, especially if it raises taxes.  A war funding measure would most certainly not only raise taxes, but contribute to greater national long-term debt.

I'm not a big fan of war, torture and killing anyway.  So think of what a joyful time I will be having, watching Republicans squirm under this one.  Obama is personally against these wars in the Middle East.  Now, all he does is raise his hands and say, What could I do...Republicans wouldn't vote for it?

Didge wrote:I think the Republicans will vote for support in action there, they have too much to lose if they do not and Obama is not going to run for a third term now is he.
Too may people are concerned about ISIS ad public opinion can be very persuasive, which I do not think the Republicans would gamble on, as it would be the perfect ammunition against them, if they failed to bacl.

Didge wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Umm I did approve of Saddam.... He was secular

And also the 'mess'... I'll think you will find the Land mines weren't there until the USA either Buried them or Started selling them in the region

You approved of a tyrant that gassed the Kurds and butchered any opposition to his rule?

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
Umm I did approve of Saddam.... He was secular

And also the 'mess'... I'll think you will find the Land mines weren't there until the USA either Buried them or Started selling them in the region

If you were a Saddamist, you've got your own explaining to do.

But I'm not here to argue that part of the discussion.  The one's responsible were Republicans.  They are not Americans.

However, Republicans are in control of the Congress today and the same dysfunction can be expected.  They will be unable to get their act together sufficiently to pass a war powers and/or war funding bill.  Hence you won't see more than a couple of drones out of the US.

It's a matter of fact, not debate.  You are on your own Europe.

The latest Newspoll reveals the majority of Australians support the federal government’s decision to provide humanitarian aid and weapons - including 50 tonnes of small arms and ammunition - to forces opposing Islamic State (otherwise known as ISIS or ISIL) militants.

Just over three out of five Australians are “personally in favour” of Australia providing assistance.

Conducted at the weekend and published in The Australian, the poll of 1207 people revealed that 62 per cent of voters supported the action taken so far by the Abbott government, which has involved humanitarian aid drops, as well as shipments of weapons and ammunition.

25 per cent were opposed and 13 per cent remain uncommitted.

70 per cent of men supported government action compared to 54 per cent of women

veya_victaous wrote:@Quill
I can see your argument
but I think there are a few Factors you are not taking into consideration.

If the UK and Australia were to go in and we really wanted you there too we would blitz your media. keep in mind Australia and UK have more Hollywood celebrities per capita than the USA. Australia has joined you every time you have asked since WW2....
Imagine a Background real Listing the many Engagements Australia and UK have come when requested by the USA, with Henry Cavill as Superman, Christian Bale as Batman, Ioan Gruffudd as Reed Richards and Andrew Garfield as Spiderman Chris Hemsworth as Thor and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine all making an impassioned plea For America to look into their hearts.... and be the Hero...

Republican Arguments will sound a lot more sensible when Even Iggy Azalea is Calling Obama a coward