Goodbye and good luck Sexy Mama!

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Most of you need to get a grip.

There are many non-Muslim medics and aid workers in Gaza right now. So this is not a religious conviction but a moral one.

And guess what, many of them have left young families behind too.

To be honest, I think most aid convoys are not getting in to Gaza. So she'll have a hard time getting inside, in the first place.

In sha Allah, God will keep her safe.

It has everything to do with religious conviction, if it was morals, those morals would be first and foremost to her own children and that poem did make her mind up.

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Didge wrote:


It has everything to do with religious conviction, if it was morals, those morals would be first and foremost to her own children and that poem did make her mind up.

what proof is there that she has gone , i agree with what you have said and as a mother she shouldn't be leaving them . I couldn't leave my adult children or my 2 year old grandson they mean everything to me i couldn't bare being apart from them . The poem was to make her feel guilty , but she must be weak if she gave into that .

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


It has everything to do with religious conviction, if it was morals, those morals would be first and foremost to her own children and that poem did make her mind up.

Well they are the same thing. Except atheists have morals too.

Like I have said, there are many doctors and aid workers in Gaza who've left families behind.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Well they are the same thing. Except atheists have morals too.

Like I have said, there are many doctors and aid workers in Gaza who've left families behind.

Not denying that there are others out there, I am stating she was compelled by her faith viewing other Muslims who like many religious people class as brothers and sisters, as the reason to go. You know she is strong in her faith and the last part of that poem would have played on her mind. It was her religious convictions that made up her mind based off that poem. Morals were also around before religion, so no in this instance a mothers first basic natural instinct would be to her own children, here though her faith won the argument.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Not denying that there are others out there, I am stating she was compelled by her faith viewing other Muslims who like many religious people class as brothers and sisters, as the reason to go. You know she is strong in her faith and the last part of that poem would have played on her mind. It was her religious convictions that made up her mind based off that poem. Morals were also around before religion, so no in this instance a mothers first basic natural instinct would be to her own children, here though her faith won the argument.

I don't think you have the right to judge her as a mother. Like I said, there are mothers out there also.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I don't think you have the right to judge her as a mother. Like I said, there are mothers out there also.

Actually i am going by what she has said:



I don't know why people nowadays make such a big deal of "getting away" from it all!!!!

Children are a precious gift and spending time with them should be every parents main priority!

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Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:



Actually i am going by what she has said:



I don't know why people nowadays make such a big deal of "getting away" from it all!!!!

Children are a precious gift and spending time with them should be every parents main priority!

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No, you mentioned her lack of mother's instinct vs religious conviction. And then made a judgement.

You're just back tracking.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:The fact that you are using one of her quotes to make your judgement is utterly tasteless.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

No, you mentioned her lack of mother's instinct vs religious conviction. And then made a judgement.

You're just back tracking.

No I am proving a fact, here is her natural mothers instinct,where she clearly states a parents main priority is their children, thus another factor religion has swayed this natural instinct, which is evident by the poem. She thus feels guilty as a Muslim and this has overridden her natural instinct of being a mother.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:The fact that you are using one of her quotes to make your judgement is utterly tasteless.

I find using poems to manipulate religious people, to make them feel guilty disgusting

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


No I am proving a fact, here is her natural mothers instinct,where she clearly states a parents main priority is their children, thus another factor religion has swayed this natural instinct, which is evident by the poem. She thus feels guilty as a Muslim and this has overridden her natural instinct of being a mother.

So you are making a judgement about someone's motherhood.

The fact you are making such a judgment on suppositions is frankly a form of abuse. Shame on you.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


I find using poems to manipulate religious people, to make them feel guilty disgusting

And what right do you have to judge her, Mr Arrogant?

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

So you are making a judgement about someone's motherhood.

The fact you are making such a judgment on suppositions is frankly a form of abuse. Shame on you.

No I am making a judgement about people manipulating others through religion with guilt, so cut the pathetic  guilt card crap you are attempting to play on me, it does not work.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

And what right do you have to judge her, Mr Arrogant?

I am judging those who have used her religion to make her feel guilty, how many more times do you need this explained, it does not matter the faith, so do not get your knickers in a twist.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


No I am making a judgement about people manipulating others through religion with guilt, so cut the pathetic  guilt card crap you are attempting to play on me, it does not work.

Your words are there for all to see. I'm not playing anything.

You effectively called SM a bad mother. I would love her to come back and watch you say that to her face.

You're nasty.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


I am judging those who have used her religion to make her feel guilty, how many more times do you need this explained, it does not matter the faith, so do not get your knickers in a twist.

Oh, so now you're saying she's so weak that she's been brainwashed.

You'll be calling her an extremist next.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Your words are there for all to see. I'm not playing anything.

You effectively called SM a bad mother. I would love her to come back and watch you say that to her face.

You're nasty.

Yes my words are there where I easily explain something completely different from what you are claiming because as seen I bet you are feeling guilty yourself as no doubt you sent this to her, which would explain your pathetic accusations!

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Oh, so now you're saying she's so weak that she's been brainwashed.

You'll be calling her an extremist next.

Nope she has been honest with her faith to the point again she states this comes first,  which is what I deplore about religion, being as I grew up in a very strict religious family, and they teach to place your faith above everything else. This I find very wrong, in fact I find to indoctrinate children with religion appalling also.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Yes my words are there where I easily explain something completely different from what you are claiming because as seen I bet you are feeling guilty yourself as no doubt you sent this to her, which would explain your pathetic accusations!

Lol! Now you're judging me because you think I sent her the poem.

Bruv, don't intimate she's a bad mother. That's not cool.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:

Yes my words are there where I easily explain something completely different from what you are claiming because as seen I bet you are feeling guilty yourself as no doubt you sent this to her, which would explain your pathetic accusations!

Lol! Now you're judging me because you think I sent her the poem.

Bruv, don't intimate she's a bad mother. That's not cool.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nope she has been honest with her faith to the point again she states this comes first,  which is what I deplore about religion, being as I grew up in a very strict religious family, and they teach to place your faith above everything else. This I find very wrong, in fact I find to indoctrinate children with religion appalling also.

Now you've come back to her being a bad mother.

There are many volunteers in Gaza who are mothers also.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Nope she has been honest with her faith to the point again she states this comes first,  which is what I deplore about religion, being as I grew up in a very strict religious family, and they teach to place your faith above everything else. This I find very wrong, in fact I find to indoctrinate children with religion appalling also.

Now you've come back to her being a bad mother.

There are many volunteers in Gaza who are mothers also.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol! Now you're judging me because you think I sent her the poem.

Bruv, don't intimate she's a bad mother. That's not cool.

Well it would certainly explain your absurd outburst and accusations, but then how would I know, I am just doing what you are doing, making an accusation.
You are being way to defensive and it is because you are religious and know how manipulative religious teachings can be!
Here though someone played on her being a Muslim, where she is already passionate about a conflict, where as stated she has strong convictions, where there is a conflict going on, it is talked about all the time and this is what convinces here, what pushes her to decide, a poem that is intended to make people feel guilty, or are you denying it is not intending that?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well it would certainly explain your absurd outburst and accusations, but then how would I know, I am just doing what you are doing, making an accusation.
You are being way to defensive and it is because you are religious and know how manipulative religious teachings can be!
Here though someone played on her being a Muslim, where she is already passionate about a conflict, where as stated she has strong convictions, where there is a conflict going on, it is talked about all the time and this is what convinces here, what pushes her to decide, a poem that is intended to make people feel guilty, or are you denying it is not intending that?

I'm being defensive because you are attacking someone's motherhood when she's not around to defend herself.

If I accuse you of anything, I reply to you directly. I don't wait like a coward.

Of course the paranoid numpty you are, thinks all this has to do with religion. Really?

I suppose all those non Muslim volunteers in. Gaza are there because of Islam. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Not!

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Now you've come back to her being a bad mother.

There are many volunteers in Gaza who are mothers also.

No I am going on about what people say, what is taught and what I find wrong with religions, you are attempting to claim I think she is a bad mother, of course she is not a bad mother, I know for a fact she is a great mother, but people when emotive can make poor decisions, it does not make her a bad mother and to me she was manipulated when she was already highly emotive

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:Most of you need to get a grip.

There are many non-Muslim medics and aid workers in Gaza right now. So this is not a religious conviction but a moral one.

And guess what, many of them have left young families behind too.

To be honest, I think most aid convoys are not getting in to Gaza. So she'll have a hard time getting inside, in the first place.

In sha Allah, God will keep her safe.

It has everything to do with religious conviction, if it was morals, those morals would be first and foremost to her own children and that poem did make her mind up.

Sassy wrote:Why the hell do people think they 'know' SM and yet think she can be manipulated?   Do they think this is a decision she made overnight, on the spur of the moment?   This is something she has been thinking about since the shelling in Gaza started again, this was something she was thinking about in 2012, the last time Israel were trying to flatten Gaza.

Why the hell does anyone think they have the ability to know why she made this decision or how long it has taken her, or what arrangements she has made or the discussions she has had with her family and the group she has been demonstrating with?

Talk about bloody ego.

eddie wrote:

Didge wrote:


It has everything to do with religious conviction, if it was morals, those morals would be first and foremost to her own children and that poem did make her mind up.

Absolutely agree.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I'm being defensive because you are attacking someone's motherhood when she's not around to defend herself.

If I accuse you of anything, I reply to you directly. I don't wait like a coward.

Of course the paranoid numpty you are, thinks all this has to do with religion. Really?

I suppose all those non Muslim volunteers in. Gaza are there because of Islam. Yes, that makes perfect sense. Not!

You can keep claiming lies which will not work Zack, this seems to be your limited ability at debating these days. So I will ask you a simple question, do you think people who are already emotive to a situation they feel strongly about  have clear judgement?

i am not going on about or need to go on about others who have gone out there for what ever reason, I am going on about what I see where sexy, being highly emotive already was vulnerable to such manipulation.
Everyone is human, everyone can get highly emotive and where this matters to sexy, this was what made her decided to go and to me it played upon guilt. This does not make her a bad mother.
It is not my fault you cannot understand human emotions

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:Why the hell do people think they 'know' SM and yet think she can be manipulated?   Do they think this is a decision she made overnight, on the spur of the moment?   This is something she has been thinking about since the shelling in Gaza started again, this was something she was thinking about in 2012, the last time Israel were trying to flatten Gaza.

Why the hell does anyone think they have the ability to know why she made this decision or how long it has taken her, or what arrangements she has made or the discussions she has had with her family and the group she has been demonstrating with?

Talk about bloody ego.

Because she admitted it was because of this poem, her words:


I read this and thought no way not any more..........


So who ever sent that, has manipulated her in a highly emotive state, when she was already upset and very angry over the conflict!

Raggamuffin wrote:If nothing on this forum influenced her to go, then nothing will influence her to stay.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


No I am going on about what people say, what is taught and what I find wrong with religions, you are attempting to claim I think she is a bad mother, of course she is not a bad mother, I know for a fact she is a great mother, but people when emotive can make poor decisions, it does not make her a bad mother and to me she was manipulated when she was already highly emotive

You're back tracking and now making excuses because of what others may think on this forum.

There are many non Muslim volunteers who were also emotionally motivated.

In fact, you can't be motivated without emotions. The clue is in the word. Lol!

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


Because she admitted it was because of this poem, her words:


I read this and thought no way not any more..........


So who ever sent that, has manipulated her in a highly emotive state, when she was already upset and very angry over the conflict!

She's been thinking about it since 2012.  

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

She's been thinking about it since 2012.  

Many people think about it and many do nothing, the poem though clearly in her highly emotive state played on her conscience of being a Muslim.
The poem is intended to make people feel guilty, this is a fact, it is intended to play on people who are emotive and more than anything it is intended to make a Muslim feel guilty about being a Muslim, by not doing enough to help

Sassy wrote:So SM making a decision to try and help in a terrible situation IN REAL LIFE becomes a thread for Didge to try and score points on.

FUCKING HELL.

Sassy wrote:So SM making a decision to try and help in a terrible situation IN REAL LIFE becomes a thread for Didge to try and score points on.

FUCKING HELL.

Sassy wrote:

Didge wrote:


Many people think about it and many do nothing, the poem though clearly in her highly emotive state played on her conscience of being a Muslim.
The poem is intended to make people feel guilty, this is a fact, it is intended to play on people who are emotive and more than anything it is intended to make a Muslim feel guilty about being a Muslim, by not doing enough to help

Bollocks, as I said to Zack, it's exactly how I feel apart from the Allah bit, it's empathy.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Sassy wrote:So SM making a decision to try and help in a terrible situation IN REAL LIFE becomes a thread for Didge to try and score points on.

FUCKING HELL.

What is this guy on?

Lol!

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


You can keep claiming lies which will not work Zack, this seems to be your limited ability at debating these days. So I will ask you a simple question, do you think people who are already emotive to a situation they feel strongly about  have clear judgement?

i am not going on about or need to go on about others who have gone out there for what ever reason, I am going on about what I see where sexy, being highly emotive already was vulnerable to such manipulation.
Everyone is human, everyone can get highly emotive and where this matters to sexy, this was what made her decided to go and to me it played upon guilt. This does not make her a bad mother.
It is not my fault you cannot understand human emotions

Like I've said to you, not everything is a debate. You treat every thread like a debate.  Lol!

Emotions, motivate - the clue is in those words.

You clearly said she should not have left her kids behind. And so were clearly making a judgment about her motherhood.

You now feel guilty because I showed you up.

I'm glad you've seen that was the wrong thing to do.

See ya.

Do it again, and you'll have me to answer to. I have no problem in exposing your arrogance.

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Bollocks, as I said to Zack, it's exactly how I feel apart from the Allah bit, it's empathy.

One of you two is guilty of sending this to her and I know it, hence both your reactions.

The pair of you reek of guilt, and if either of you have, you are both fucking low lives and scum to me to have manipulated her!

Didge wrote:

Sassy wrote:So SM making a decision to try and help in a terrible situation IN REAL LIFE becomes a thread for Didge to try and score points on.

FUCKING HELL.

Wrong again, I am trying to explain why she has, which it seems both of you and zack are so jumping to countless accusations, knowing my point is valid, I have clearly made who ever sent this poem to her guilty themselves, without the intent to do so.
So no, not trying to score points, but being factual!

Sassy wrote:

Eilzel wrote:Regardless of all that didge, real people are actually dying and suffering in Gaze and someone has to help. Charity has a part to play and I understand why people would. This is real people, not just numbers in newspapers.

Exactly, SM made up her mind because of what is actually happening, what she has been doing with the charity and demonstrations she has been involved in.   If people think anything that was said on this forum is important enough to even factor into her decision they don't know her, or what she does or thinks.

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Like I've said to you, not everything is a debate. You treat every thread like a debate.  Lol!

Emotions, motivate - the clue is in those words.

You clearly said she should not have left her kids behind. And so were clearly making a judgment about her motherhood.

You now feel guilty because I showed you up.

I'm glad you've seen that was the wrong thing to do.

See ya.

Do it again, and you'll have me to answer to. I have no problem in exposing your arrogance.

coming from a skinny little runt, I very much doubt you could show up anyone and again the only reason you are so poor in your accusations, is you know my points are right.
She is a friend and to me, if someone has manipulated her in her emotive state, they are fucking scum!
Now you may understand why I am annoyed

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Didge wrote:


One of you two is guilty of sending this to her and I know it, hence both your reactions.

The pair of you reek of guilt, and if either of you have, you are both fucking low lives and scum to me to have manipulated her!

So when she comes back to correct you and says I didn't send her that poem, will you have the guts to apologise to me on this forum?

Didge wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I don't think you have the right to judge her as a mother. Like I said, there are mothers out there also.

Actually i am going by what she has said:



I don't know why people nowadays make such a big deal of "getting away" from it all!!!!

Children are a precious gift and spending time with them should be every parents main priority!

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