Muslim Men Can Have More Than One Wife - And Claim A Ton Of Benefits For All (And A Huge House, Of Course)

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19th July 2014

Thought this was worth discussing in a thread of its own.

I'm absolutely amazed.

The system of paying extra benefits for multiple wives was reviewed under Labour in an exercise involving four separate Whitehall branches – The Treasury, the Department for Work & Pensions, HM Revenue & Customs and the Home Office.

The review concluded that recognising multiple marriages which had taken place overseas in the benefits system was the "best possible option".

At the time they stated: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate ... The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

This has subsequently been increased to £38.45 a week for second and subsequent spouses, while the husband and his first wife are paid the ordinary couple rate of £105.95.

As well as income support, a husband with more than one wife is also eligible for possible housing benefit and council tax relief because of the larger property needed to accommodate his family.


What a generous lot the English taxpayers are!

Didge wrote:
And yet both of you fail to condemn Hamas who has committed human rights violations against the Palestinians, where you both fail to show the same zeal and passion against far worse atrocities happening to Muslims in Syria, Iraq etc , which would lead anyone to believe the pair of you are antisemitic, which is of course backed by your view to exterminate Jews by Hitler.

The difference with many who debate against you is that we all condemn Israel fir when they have done wrongs, both of you fail to ever condemn Hamas and thus the pair of you back an organisation that is classed as a terrorist organisation which has little friends even in the Arab world, that speaks volumes

  

Neither VoD nor Big Andy have condemned Israel, that I have yet witnessed on here.

Nor, I doubt, would smelly' have done so, before his little implosion last week..

  

Didge wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:


The difference iS I dont show support for HAMAS

DO YOU GET IT NOW?

Really, since when have you condemned them for attacking Israel with rockets?


I do not support anyone, I state what is right and wrong in something and even worse where two posters show more concern with hatred to Israel than they do to ISIS, the Taliban etc who are murdering innocent Muslims all the time

You are so full of yourself aren you

Well news for YOU i wasnt referring to you UNLESS YOU HAVE A SIG STATING YOU ARE WITH THE ZIONISTS???????

And btw

You cannot stand on one side and pretend you are unbiased.

Thats the basic rule of any war.

Lone Wolf wrote:

Didge wrote:
And yet both of you fail to condemn Hamas who has committed human rights violations against the Palestinians, where you both fail to show the same zeal and passion against far worse atrocities happening to Muslims in Syria, Iraq etc , which would lead anyone to believe the pair of you are antisemitic, which is of course backed by your view to exterminate Jews by Hitler.

The difference with many who debate against you is that we all condemn Israel fir when they have done wrongs, both of you fail to ever condemn Hamas and thus the pair of you back an organisation that is classed as a terrorist organisation which has little friends even in the Arab world, that speaks volumes

  

Neither VoD nor Big Andy have condemned Israel, that I have yet witnessed on here.

Nor, I doubt, would smelly' have done so, before his little implosion last week..

  

Why would she when she OPENLY HAS A SIG STATING SHES WITH THE ZIONISTS?

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Didge wrote:


Really, since when have you condemned them for attacking Israel with rockets?


I do not support anyone, I state what is right and wrong in something and even worse where two posters show more concern with hatred to Israel than they do to ISIS, the Taliban etc who are murdering innocent Muslims all the time

You are so full of yourself aren you

Well news for YOU i wasnt referring to you UNLESS YOU HAVE A SIG STATING YOU ARE WITH THE ZIONISTS???????

And btw

You cannot stand on one side and pretend you are unbiased.

Thats the basic rule of any war.

Well anyone you are referring to is hypocritical from your part based clearly on your passion of hate for Israel, which again you seem of less concern for conflicts like Syria and Iraq, that speaks volume to anyone.

Again I am all for peace, not blaming sides as that has happened for decades where it is never going to change anything, it just creates more hate, what will change perceptions is people uniting on both sides wishing the violence to end

This country is still predominantly white Christian and the only way to keep our traditions is to get rid of all Muslims from it. PDQ.
Can you not see that we are losing out to these Muslims?

Wake up, smell the coffee, it is almost too late.

A jobless man who claimed to have fathered 22 children by 11 women was yesterday spared jail for dealing drugs – after telling a judge he needed to help care for his youngest.

Raymond Hull, 58, who has been married only once and has lived off benefits for a decade, insisted ‘I just love kids’, but admitted he was in contact with only ‘about 12’ of them.

Despite police finding a stash of cannabis and text messages from customers, a judge accepted he was helping to raise child number 22 – seven-month-old Barry – while his partner returned to work.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2536651/Father-22-children-11-women-spared-jail-look-baby.html#ixzz383HPOquX

Only 4 women  
You guys are just not thinking outside the box like Raymond.... Keeping up the averages for you lazy lot.....      

Pretty sure Unemployed Dad and 11 single mums are all on benefits     

that's an old article veya and he is claiming for his children not his wives .
Many of his children are adults also and don't depend on him to claim for them.
This thread is about Muslim me having more than one wife in the UK when it is against the law .

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:that's an old article veya and he is claiming for his children not his wives .

That's the point, they will be claiming for themselves and their children and getting twice as much as the woman who is claiming as a dependent of one of few Muslim men who have more than one 'wife' in their eyes, she only gets half as much.

Well pretty sure it will be the same with the Muslim man
just the one official/legal wife and then 3 single mothers.

that's the scam, they do it here too, but really SO do a lot of lower class white people.    they just don't even bother with shame marriage or caring for the kids etc.   

I'm not a lawyer but I suspect this is down to respecting the human rights of the second wife and more importantly, their children. Who are innocent.

Sassy wrote:

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:that's an old article veya and he is claiming for his children not his wives .

That's the point, they will be claiming for themselves and their children and getting twice as much as the woman who is claiming as a dependent of one of few Muslim men who have more than one 'wife' in their eyes, she only gets half as much.

No they won't the guy in the article has adult children who won't be living with their farther, besides they didn't come here simply to live off benefits .
Call me racist if you wish, but all these foreigners coming here to live off benefits should be deported , they are of no use to us and offer nothing of value .
The extra wives of mulsim men shouldn't get anything not one penny , nobody else can marry more than one wife here legally (not sure why anyone would to be honest ) . Its the government bowing down to another religion again , if they come here they should be denied benefits or go back home .
It would solve a lot of foreigners wanting to come here to live off benefits .

veya_victaous wrote:Well pretty sure it will be the same with the Muslim man
just the one official/legal wife and then 3 single mothers.

that's the scam, they do it here too, but really SO do a lot of lower class white people.    they just don't even bother with shame marriage or caring for the kids etc.   

why mention colour of skin , do you think only white people are lower class ?

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I'm not a lawyer but I suspect this is down to respecting the human rights of the second wife and more importantly, their children. Who are innocent.

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

FluffyBunny wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I'm not a lawyer but I suspect this is down to respecting the human rights of the second wife and more importantly, their children. Who are innocent.

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

Aww, thank you for the +1

I agree too. I don't think it's fair for the children of these couples to be unhoused, unfed and unschooled.

all those in favour of freedom to our benefits system you will be sorry when there isn't anything for your old age pension , but i guess it's easy to sit back and let all this pass you by ''im alright Jack'' attitude .
My son has a friend who i 22 and he has the same attitude but he hasn't got a penny to scratch his arse on because he lives at home and can't claim anything his parents are expected to keep him , he is university and gets not help , young people are brainwashed into thinking immigration is a good thing and we should be tolerant , they don't realize that immigrants come first before any British citizen ,when it starts affecting you then you will be singing a different tune .

FluffyBunny wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:I'm not a lawyer but I suspect this is down to respecting the human rights of the second wife and more importantly, their children. Who are innocent.

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

why should tax payers pay for a second wife , are you really serious because i think you are just an arse licker making sure you fit in with those who are in favour on this forum   

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

Aww, thank you for the +1

I agree too. I don't think it's fair for the children of these couples to be unhoused, unfed and unschooled.

very true fuzzy but if Muslim men with multiple wives were real men they would be supporting their children and wives not relying on the British benefits system .

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

why should tax payers pay for a second wife , are you really serious because i think you are just an arse licker making sure you fit in with those who are in favour on this forum   

Because tax payers don't get to pick and choose who has human rights.

We all do.

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Aww, thank you for the +1

I agree too. I don't think it's fair for the children of these couples to be unhoused, unfed and unschooled.

very true fuzzy but if Muslim men with multiple wives were real men they would be supporting their children and wives not relying on the British benefits system .

That's true too, to an extent.

The men may be earning but still entitled to housing allowance, child benefit, schooling, NHS, etc.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

very true fuzzy but if Muslim men with multiple wives were real men they would be supporting their children and wives not relying on the British benefits system .

That's true too, to an extent.

The men may be earning but still entitled to housing allowance, child benefit, schooling, NHS, etc.

yes they are , it still makes a mockery of our laws though . I am all for fairness you know but rules should be for everyone not just some and there should be no exceptions .

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

That's true too, to an extent.

The men may be earning but still entitled to housing allowance, child benefit, schooling, NHS, etc.

yes they are , it still makes a mockery of our laws though . I am all for fairness you know but rules should be for everyone not just some and there should be no exceptions .

On the contrary. The law is not meant to discriminate. That is the only fair way.

They come here to work don't they...???



Not working then should be deported.

Tommy Monk wrote:They come here to work don't they...???



Not working then should be deported.

That should be what happens , but they only want to live on benefits and break our laws finding loop holes .

Tommy Monk wrote:They come here to work don't they...???



Not working then should be deported.

If you worked, you would know that you are still entitled to some benefits.

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

FluffyBunny wrote:

+1

People may not agree with the morality of the situation but the second wife and her children need financial support and that really is all that matters.

Well,that's what I think.

why should tax payers pay for a second wife , are you really serious because i think you are just an arse licker making sure you fit in with those who are in favour on this forum   

'Fitting in'on forums has never really been a priority of mine although of course it would be nice.I just give my opinion.That opinion is as valid as yours.

I don't know the 'favoured ' ones are on this forum so I may be licking in all the wrong places..  

FluffyBunny wrote:

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

why should tax payers pay for a second wife , are you really serious because i think you are just an arse licker making sure you fit in with those who are in favour on this forum   

'Fitting in'on forums has never really been a priority of mine although of course it would be nice.I just give my opinion.That opinion is as valid as yours.

I don't know the 'favoured ' ones are on this forum so I may be licking in all the wrong places..  

I think you do know who are the golden balls of this forum it stands out a mile

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:They come here to work don't they...???



Not working then should be deported.

If you worked, you would know that you are still entitled to some benefits.

Not everyone working get benefit top ups lol

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

If you worked, you would know that you are still entitled to some benefits.

Not everyone working get benefit top ups lol

I didn't say that. It depends on your level of income.

And even then, everyone with a child is entitled to such universal benefits.

I think you lol'ed too soon. Try it now.

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Not everyone working get benefit top ups lol

I didn't say that. It depends on your level of income.

And even then, everyone with a child is entitled to such universal benefits.

I think you lol'ed too soon. Try it now.

No i didn't , my friend is a GP has 3 children he doesn't get child allowance .

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:Well pretty sure it will be the same with the Muslim man
just the one official/legal wife and then 3 single mothers.

that's the scam, they do it here too, but really SO do a lot of lower class white people.    they just don't even bother with shame marriage or caring for the kids etc.   

why mention colour of skin , do you think only white people are lower class ?

Well around here it just whites are the best at it... scamming that is.   
We call em rorts.  ::D::  Every good westie has one or two rorts goin'           

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:that's an old article veya.

Yeah, from way way back in January of this year ...

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:They come here to work don't they...???
Not working then should be deported.

If you worked, you would know that you are still entitled to some benefits.

When working I get fuck all in benefits.



And we are talking about JSA, meaning they are not working.



If people come here to work and are not working then they are here on false pretenses and should be deported.

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Fuzzy Zack wrote:

LITTLE MISS PERFECT wrote:

Not everyone working get benefit top ups lol

I didn't say that. It depends on your level of income.

And even then, everyone with a child is entitled to such universal benefits.

I think you lol'ed too soon. Try it now.

No i didn't , my friend is a GP has 3 children he doesn't get child allowance .

umm by GP do you mean general practitioner.. aka Doctor..... aka high income earner

ohh the horrible inequity that someone with a lot of money is not getting additional hand outs       

Some people         
AS a higher than average income earner I can say, Yeah it sucks paying all this tax but I am in a much better position to do so than a LOT of other people.. Society is (to my good fortune) geared in such a way where I get significantly better remunerated for the things I do, than a lot of people get doing jobs I would HATE doing.

SO It is in my interest as well to keep society like it is   even if that means paying over double what you get on unemployment benefits in tax every week   

We are constantly told that immigrants are highly skilled, hard working and well needed here so firstly should always be sought after and in work, And secondly should be earning good money above the threshold for any extra state handouts.



We have a system here where those who bother to knuckle down, struggle to achieve good skills and qualifications to get good jobs and usually only slightly better earnings, are rewarded with higher taxes and fuck all else, while others who don't bother and do as little as possible are given tons of extras while paying relatively fuck all, paid by the taxes of the former....



Those who do fuck all are rewarded with quite a good standard of living, relaxed with loads of free time to enjoy, while others are working their tits off day in day out every day, constantly stressed, hardly any time for themselves, and not really financially any better off.

Tommy Monk wrote:We are constantly told that immigrants are highly skilled, hard working and well needed here so firstly should always be sought after and in work, And secondly should be earning good money above the threshold for any extra state handouts.



We have a system here where those who bother to knuckle down, struggle to achieve good skills and qualifications to get good jobs and usually only slightly better earnings, are rewarded with higher taxes and fuck all else, while others who don't bother and do as little as possible are given tons of extras while paying relatively fuck all, paid by the taxes of the former....



Those who do fuck all are rewarded with quite a good standard of living, relaxed with loads of free time to enjoy, while others are working their tits off day in day out every day, constantly stressed, hardly any time for themselves, and not really financially any better off.

Migrants are filling a fifth of jobs in key industries because of a lack of skilled British graduates, according to a Government-backed report.
Companies are forced to rely on foreign-born workers in a range of “strategically important” areas as children continue to shun maths and science subjects at school.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10424148/Immigrants-fill-one-in-five-skilled-British-jobs.html

      

By the way, Tommy, when was the last time you took a vacation, how long was it for, and where did you go?

Tommy Monk wrote:We are constantly told that immigrants are highly skilled, hard working and well needed here so firstly should always be sought after and in work, And secondly should be earning good money above the threshold for any extra state handouts.


We have a system here where those who bother to knuckle down, struggle to achieve good skills and qualifications to get good jobs and usually only slightly better earnings, are rewarded with higher taxes and fuck all else, while others who don't bother and do as little as possible are given tons of extras while paying relatively fuck all, paid by the taxes of the former....


Those who do fuck all are rewarded with quite a good standard of living, relaxed with loads of free time to enjoy, while others are working their tits off day in day out every day, constantly stressed, hardly any time for themselves, and not really financially any better off.

I do agree there is a Middle class 'void' where you earn enough to not get benefits but not really enough to live well... and the benefits pull everyone else up to your level So there is very little to 'show' for you hard work.

BUT that is NOT the fault of immigrants that is the fault of Big business trying to maximise profit at every turn. The problem is with so many taking profit out at every point there is no money left to pay a fair wage... this is further exasperated by Businesses willing to fire their own countrymen and to try and kick-start slavery in 3rd world nations.

The problem is the guy sitting behind the desk that says.. "I could keep employing my fellow citizen BUT I will make 2.3% more profit, after transport, if I fire him and use corrupt gov't officials in a 3rd world nations to get the labour done for slave wages.

No, no, no, veya; you've got this situation all backwards. It can't possibly be the fault of the people who have the most influence and power of any of us. It has to be a diabolical conspiracy of the Romanian dirt-farmer immigrants

Ben_Reilly wrote:No, no, no, veya; you've got this situation all backwards. It can't possibly be the fault of the people who have the most influence and power of any of us. It has to be a diabolical conspiracy of the Romanian dirt-farmer immigrants

How dastardly Communist of me       

veya_victaous wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:No, no, no, veya; you've got this situation all backwards. It can't possibly be the fault of the people who have the most influence and power of any of us. It has to be a diabolical conspiracy of the Romanian dirt-farmer immigrants

How dastardly Communist of me       

Sorry, my bad, we were talking about Muslims. So, substitute "Pakistani drone-warfare refugees" for "Romanian dirt-farmers." Damn foreigners who didn't get the memo on monogamy and kept doing what people had been doing for thousands of years!

Oh, and nobody took notice (what else is new) but I did point out that a 2007 report said about 1,000 Muslim men in the UK had more than one wife, and nobody knew how many of them were actually on any kind of benefits.

But hell, I'm sure that in the past seven years, that could have ... tripled!

Ben_Reilly wrote:No, no, no, veya; you've got this situation all backwards. It can't possibly be the fault of the people who have the most influence and power of any of us. It has to be a diabolical conspiracy of the Romanian dirt-farmer immigrants

Little Miss Perfect will no doubt accuse me of 'arse licking' but I found that statement most amusing   

You sound quite exasperated  

veya_victaous wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:We are constantly told that immigrants are highly skilled, hard working and well needed here so firstly should always be sought after and in work, And secondly should be earning good money above the threshold for any extra state handouts.
We have a system here where those who bother to knuckle down, struggle to achieve good skills and qualifications to get good jobs and usually only slightly better earnings, are rewarded with higher taxes and fuck all else, while others who don't bother and do as little as possible are given tons of extras while paying relatively fuck all, paid by the taxes of the former....
Those who do fuck all are rewarded with quite a good standard of living, relaxed with loads of free time to enjoy, while others are working their tits off day in day out every day, constantly stressed, hardly any time for themselves, and not really financially any better off.

I do agree there is a Middle class 'void' where you earn enough to not get benefits but not really enough to live well... and the benefits pull everyone else up to your level So there is very little to 'show' for you hard work.
BUT that is NOT the fault of immigrants that is the fault of Big business trying to maximise profit at every turn. The problem is with so many taking profit out at every point there is no money left to pay a fair wage... this is further exasperated by Businesses willing to fire their own countrymen and to try and kick-start slavery in 3rd world nations.
The problem is the guy sitting behind the desk that says.. "I could keep employing my fellow citizen BUT I will make 2.3% more profit, after transport, if I fire him and use corrupt gov't officials in a 3rd world nations to get the labour done for slave wages.

Not quite, it is The fault of govt , labour mostly, who imported millions of foreigners, which drove down wages and drove up costs of living.


This has made everyone poorer and govt has over compensated the poorest by handing loads of benefits out which makes them as well off, even better off in some ways, than those who earn slightly more and receive no benefits.




And for Ben....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401997/Straight-A-students-forced-abroad-study-medicine-NHS-recruits-record-foreign-doctors.html


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9699524/Britain-being-hit-by-rise-in-graduate-brain-drain.html



And after Gordon brown famousjw proclaimed "British jobs for British workers!", this is what really happened....


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1325013/Migrants-took-9-10-jobs-created-Labour.html

My nephew has worked his balls off to get 5 A's at A Level - applied to study medicine at university but has been told they are looking for disadvantaged students.

I think we know who the disadvantaged students are.

BigAndy9 wrote:My nephew has worked his balls off to get 5 A's at A Level - applied to study medicine at university but has been told they are looking for disadvantaged students.

I think we know who the disadvantaged students are.

5?!! Blimey that is brilliant, best of luck to him Andy

feelthelove wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:My nephew has worked his balls off to get 5 A's at A Level - applied to study medicine at university but has been told they are looking for disadvantaged students.

I think we know who the disadvantaged students are.

5?!! Blimey that is brilliant, best of luck to him Andy

From what i've seen - that's the norm now ftl!??

BigAndy9 wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

5?!! Blimey that is brilliant, best of luck to him Andy

From what i've seen - that's the norm now ftl!??

It is?! Sorry it's been a little while since I was at school Andy well done him anyway, hated doing A-Levels, every second.

Doesn't surprise me Andy, and is a fucking disgrace where people are disadvantaged for not being disadvantaged.....

What a fucked up system we have.


Labour legacy.

BigAndy9 wrote:

feelthelove wrote:

5?!! Blimey that is brilliant, best of luck to him Andy

From what i've seen - that's the norm now ftl!??

No,Andy 5 A's at A Level is really quite exceptional.3 may be considered the norm but certainly not five.Your nephew has done very well   

I don't understand the university turning him down on the basis that he is not 'disadvantaged' or even what that is supposed to mean?

Tommy Monk wrote:Doesn't surprise me Andy, and is a fucking disgrace where people are disadvantaged for not being disadvantaged.....

What a fucked up system we have.


Labour legacy.

I don't think this is the case.

I thought universities could be quite elitist in their approach to selecting new students i.e Oxbridge choosing wealthy students over poorer students with the exact same qualifications.