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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:21 pm

Today's Mighty Girl Hero is Zitkala-Ša, a Yankton Sioux Native American woman who made her mark as a champion of Native American rights and as an accomplished author and musician. She and her husband, Raymond Bonnin, founded the National Council of American Indians in 1926 to advocate for full citizenship rights for Native Americans.

Born in 1876 on a reservation in South Dakota, Zitkala-Ša, or Red Bird, was of mixed European and Sioux descent. Her childhood was significantly disrupted when she left her mother and familiar surroundings for a tough boarding school experience in Indiana. Though many assimilation efforts were made to strip away her culture, her spirit and drive persevered.

Public speaking and music lessons were some of the positive outcomes of Zitkala-Ša's time at boarding school. Her talents in music led to a position playing violin with the New England Conservatory of Music, teaching jobs, and recognition for co-authoring the first Native American-written opera, "The Sun Dance."

Zitkala-Ša wrote and spoke extensively, often highlighting the experiences of Native Americans, and advocating for change since, during the early 20th century, many Native Americans who maintained tribal connections were denied U.S. citizenship. Though she did not live to see the passage of the Nationality Act of 1940 which afforded citizenship to all those born in the U.S., Zitkala-Ša is widely respected for her contributions to the struggle for equal rights and justice for Native Americans.

For a beautifully-illustrated picture book about her life, we recommend "Red Bird Sings: The Story of Zitkala-Ša, Native American Author, Musician, and Activist," for ages 7 - 10 at http://www.amightygirl.com/red-bird-sings

Readers aged 10 and up can learn more through Doreen Rappaport's "The Flight of Red Bird: The Life of Zitkala-Ša" -- http://www.amightygirl.com/the-flight-of-red-bird-the-life-of-zitkala-sa

For more stories about Native American girls and women, check out our blog post, "A Celebration of Native American and Aboriginal Mighty Girls for Native American Heritage Month," at http://www.amightygirl.com/blog?p=5226

For Mighty Girl stories that explore racial discrimination and prejudice, visit http://www.amightygirl.com/books/social-issues/prejudice-discrimination?cat=71

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:35 pm

B4st4rds!

I wonder if my daughter will be a Mighty Girl Hero when she speaks up for the rights of English people.

Sorry - Native English people, as you like to put it didge.

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:36 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:B4st4rds!

I wonder if my daughter will be a Mighty Girl Hero when she speaks up for the rights of English people.

Sorry - Native English people, as you like to put it didge.



Your daughter already has equal rights though, so that would be daft to claim she does not have equal rights

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:47 pm

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:B4st4rds!

I wonder if my daughter will be a Mighty Girl Hero when she speaks up for the rights of English people.

Sorry - Native English people, as you like to put it didge.



Your daughter already has equal rights though, so that would be daft to claim she does not have equal rights


I disagree entirely.

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:50 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



Your daughter already has equal rights though, so that would be daft to claim she does not have equal rights


I disagree entirely.



Am sure you do, but she does have equal rights

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:14 pm

When my children apply for entry in to a school, will an asylum seeker have priority?

Yes.

If my children were 18 and needed a council house, would an asylum seeker or refugee be given priority?

Yes.

She has the equal right of being given consideration. She will lose out every time.

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:17 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:When my children apply for entry in to a school, will an asylum seeker have priority?

Yes.

If my children were 18 and needed a council house, would an asylum seeker or refugee be given priority?

Yes.

She has the equal right of being given consideration.  She will lose out every time.



Utter bullshit, there is no policy that gives asylum seekers more rights than your own child.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not get council houses, but places people do not want to live.

Your daughter actually gets more rights than an asylum seeker per say

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:23 pm

Didge wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:When my children apply for entry in to a school, will an asylum seeker have priority?

Yes.

If my children were 18 and needed a council house, would an asylum seeker or refugee be given priority?

Yes.

She has the equal right of being given consideration.  She will lose out every time.



Utter bullshit, there is no policy that gives asylum seekers more rights than your own child.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not get council houses, but places people do not want to live.

Your daughter actually gets more rights than an asylum seeker per say


Oh, ok.

A family of former asylum-seekers from Somalia are living in a £2.1million luxury townhouse in one of Britain's most exclusive addresses at a cost to taxpayers of £8,000 a month.
Abdi and Sayruq Nur and their seven children moved into their three-storey property in a fashionable area of London last month because they didn't like the 'poorer' part of the city they were living in.


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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:27 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
Didge wrote:



Utter bullshit, there is no policy that gives asylum seekers more rights than your own child.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not get council houses, but places people do not want to live.

Your daughter actually gets more rights than an asylum seeker per say


Oh, ok.

A family of former asylum-seekers from Somalia are living in a £2.1million luxury townhouse in one of Britain's most exclusive addresses at a cost to taxpayers of £8,000 a month.
Abdi and Sayruq Nur and their seven children moved into their three-storey property in a fashionable area of London last month because they didn't like the 'poorer' part of the city they were living in.




Wow is that your evidence, what about the thousands of other asylum seekers living in destitution?, 


Pathetic

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:33 pm

You do realise that school admissions are done in order of priority don't you didge?

Do you have children Didge?

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:36 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:You do realise that school admissions are done in order of priority don't you didge?

Do you have children Didge?



Yes I do thanks, so show me the school policy that states priority to asylum seekers?

Take your time

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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:50 pm

This is the kind of thing "normal" families have to contend with didge:

Children in Need (CIN) Priority Statement
January 2012

Islington Council and partners consider the following children to be most in need of the
services (which may include day care) they provide or commission.

An Early Years Multi-Agency Panel allocates places in priority order as per the list below, ‘A’
being the highest.

1. Children who are assessed as requiring additional services in order to reach or keep
up a reasonable standard of health or development and who are:

children who are “Looked After” (1) A
children subject to Court Orders or Police Powers of Protection (2) A
children who are subject to a Child Protection Plan (3) A

children who are likely to become “Looked After” (4) B
children whose parents [or primary carers] are experiencing difficulty as a result
of drug or alcohol-related problems (this could include the child if appropriate)
(5) B
children living with domestic violence (6) B

children of parents who are teenagers (7) C
children who have suffered abuse in the past (Cool C
children who are privately fostered (9) C
children who are unaccompanied refugees or asylum seekers (10) C
children of parents who are or were previously looked after (11) C

children who are homeless (11) D
children who are currently housed in bed and breakfast or hostel
accommodation (temporarily housed)
(12) D

children whose parents [or primary carers] have a significant physical or mental
illness or physical or learning disability
(13) E

Children with a disability: that is children with one of the following conditions:

a visual impairment E
a mild to moderate speech and language delay E
a communication impairment (14) E
a physical disability or chronic and significant illness E
a hearing impairment E
a mild to moderate learning difficulty E

children with serious emotional or behavioural difficulties (15) F

children who are siblings of disabled children (16) G



Once they have given "priority" to ALL OF THOSE...

they might consider my children - sorry, the millions of other English children.


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Post by Guest Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:59 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:This is the kind of thing "normal" families have to contend with didge:

Children in Need (CIN) Priority Statement
January 2012

Islington Council and partners consider the following children to be most in need of the
services (which may include day care) they provide or commission.

An Early Years Multi-Agency Panel allocates places in priority order as per the list below, ‘A’
being the highest.

1. Children who are assessed as requiring additional services in order to reach or keep
up a reasonable standard of health or development and who are:

children who are “Looked After” (1) A
children subject to Court Orders or Police Powers of Protection (2) A
children who are subject to a Child Protection Plan (3) A

children who are likely to become “Looked After” (4) B
children whose parents [or primary carers] are experiencing difficulty as a result
of drug or alcohol-related problems (this could include the child if appropriate)
(5) B
children living with domestic violence (6) B

children of parents who are teenagers (7) C
children who have suffered abuse in the past (Cool C
children who are privately fostered (9) C
children who are unaccompanied refugees or asylum seekers (10) C
children of parents who are or were previously looked after (11) C

children who are homeless (11) D
children who are currently housed in bed and breakfast or hostel
accommodation (temporarily housed)
(12) D

children whose parents [or primary carers] have a significant physical or mental
illness or physical or learning disability
(13) E

Children with a disability: that is children with one of the following conditions:

a visual impairment E
a mild to moderate speech and language delay E
a communication impairment (14) E
a physical disability or chronic and significant illness E
a hearing impairment E
a mild to moderate learning difficulty E

children with serious emotional or behavioural difficulties (15) F

children who are siblings of disabled children (16) G



Once they have given "priority" to ALL OF THOSE...

they might consider my children - sorry, the millions of other English children.




That is equal rights, shows you do not understand equal rights Andy, that shows where people have suffered they are ensured not to be left out.


So where is this school policy?

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Post by Original Quill Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:19 am

I have family in Yankton. My grandfather owned the power and light company at the turn of the century.

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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:56 am

I'm sorry, Didge, but if people who are born lucky are not allowed to maintain their advantage institutionally, then freedom does not exist.

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:51 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:I'm sorry, Didge, but if people who are born lucky are not allowed to maintain their advantage institutionally, then freedom does not exist.

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I take it you work in order to hand over 90% of your money to the poor, leaving yourself just enough to get by on?

No?

Oh.

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Post by eddie Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:36 am

BigAndy9 wrote:You do realise that school admissions are done in order of priority don't you didge?

Do you have children Didge?

School admissions are done by proximity to the school, sibling entry (whether one already has siblings at the school) and a certain amount of what's called "inclusion" - this will be disabled and special needs.

I've worked within education for years Andy.
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Post by eddie Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:43 am

This is a general rule:

*who have a brother or sister at the school already
*who live close to the school

from a particular religion (for faith schools)
who do well in an entrance exam (for selective schools, eg grammar schools or stage schools)
*who went to a particular primary school (a ‘feeder school’)
*in care or being looked after (all schools must have this as a top priority)
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:23 am

With the greatest respect eddie, it doesn't matter what it says on a schools website, the law states that schools must give priority to children who are "looked after".

Hence why I put Islington's rules up, not the particular rules of a school.

When you receive the admission application from your children's particular school, it will ask those questions, trust me.


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Post by Original Quill Tue Jun 24, 2014 4:32 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I'm sorry, Didge, but if people who are born lucky are not allowed to maintain their advantage institutionally, then freedom does not exist.

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Well, actually Granpa Earnie was a n'ere-do-well and lost the power and light company. He died a pauper living off his sister in San Diego CA.

Does that help?  Smile 

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:28 pm

To please one or two on here:

The Education Act 2005 makes it a statutory responsibility to prioritise school admissions of ‘looked after’ children, and the Department for Education School Admissions Code states that ‘looked after’ children must be given priority when placed on the waiting lists of oversubscribed schools.

It should also be noted that local authorities have a duty to provide additional support for asylum-seeking and refugee children who are ‘looked after’ under section 20 of the Children Act 1989.

http://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/index.php?page=faqs_education_to_16



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Post by eddie Tue Jun 24, 2014 8:35 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:With the greatest respect eddie, it doesn't matter what it says on a schools website, the law states that schools must give priority to children who are "looked after".

Hence why I put Islington's rules up, not the particular rules of a school.

When you receive the admission application from your children's particular school, it will ask those questions, trust me.


Andy, if a child is "looked after" or in care, it means they've had one shit of a ride in life and I couldn't care less if they took a space at a school.
My heart goes out to those children.

Do you,know, or can you imagine what it must feel like to be let down or abandoned by the very first loves of your life, your parents?

So foreign, black, yellow, pink or purple, those children should always come first and I'd never begrudge them a place in front of my privileged son or daughter Andy.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:50 pm

eddie wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:With the greatest respect eddie, it doesn't matter what it says on a schools website, the law states that schools must give priority to children who are "looked after".

Hence why I put Islington's rules up, not the particular rules of a school.

When you receive the admission application from your children's particular school, it will ask those questions, trust me.


Andy, if a child is "looked after" or in care, it means they've had one shit of a ride in life and I couldn't care less if they took a space at a school.
My heart goes out to those children.

Do you,know, or can you imagine what it must feel like to be let down or abandoned by the very first loves of your life, your parents?

So foreign, black, yellow, pink or purple, those children should always come first and I'd never begrudge them a place in front of my privileged son or daughter Andy.


That's excellent eddie, i'm happy you're ok with them taking a place in front of your privileged children.

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:55 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
eddie wrote:

Andy, if a child is "looked after" or in care, it means they've had one shit of a ride in life and I couldn't care less if they took a space at a school.
My heart goes out to those children.

Do you,know, or can you imagine what it must feel like to be let down or abandoned by the very first loves of your life, your parents?

So foreign, black, yellow, pink or purple, those children should always come first and I'd never begrudge them a place in front of my privileged son or daughter Andy.


That's excellent eddie, i'm happy you're ok with them taking a place in front of your privileged children.


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Post by gerber Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:02 pm

Schools do have a priority................  

The less able the ones with special needs the ones who from asylum families are credited with more cash per pupil.  hence they get first takings in admission policies.  They are the ones that make money for the school.  The same criteria is applied re free school dinners.

As one head candidly said to me " Bums on seats equals money "
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Post by eddie Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:23 pm

gerber wrote:Schools do have a priority................  

The less able the ones with special needs the ones who from asylum families are credited with more cash per pupil.  hence they get first takings in admission policies.  They are the ones that make money for the school.  The same criteria is applied re free school dinners.

As one head candidly said to me " Bums on seats equals money "

That's true yes Gerbs. But there are never so many that most other children miss out.
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Post by eddie Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:25 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
eddie wrote:

Andy, if a child is "looked after" or in care, it means they've had one shit of a ride in life and I couldn't care less if they took a space at a school.
My heart goes out to those children.

Do you,know, or can you imagine what it must feel like to be let down or abandoned by the very first loves of your life, your parents?

So foreign, black, yellow, pink or purple, those children should always come first and I'd never begrudge them a place in front of my privileged son or daughter Andy.


That's excellent eddie, i'm happy you're ok with them taking a place in front of your privileged children.

Sorry Andy, but because I'm a mum and I have a huge compassion for children, it's just how I feel.
Perhaps I'm silly but I can't help feeling for these children in care.
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:32 pm

gerber wrote:Schools do have a priority................  

The less able the ones with special needs the ones who from asylum families are credited with more cash per pupil.  hence they get first takings in admission policies.  They are the ones that make money for the school.  The same criteria is applied re free school dinners.

As one head candidly said to me " Bums on seats equals money "


It's actually the law gerber, as i have stated.

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:33 pm

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That's excellent eddie, i'm happy you're ok with them taking a place in front of your privileged children.


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:48 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
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Stick it up yer bum!


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Post by Guest Wed Jun 25, 2014 12:25 am

eddie wrote:
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That's excellent eddie, i'm happy you're ok with them taking a place in front of your privileged children.

Sorry Andy, but because I'm a mum and I have a huge compassion for children, it's just how I feel.
Perhaps I'm silly but I can't help feeling for these children in care.


As i said, well done - just wanted to prove a point, and as always, it's "job done, next".

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:31 am

How can there be equality when so many are given priority over others...?



If I have worked hard at school and college/university and then in employment, paid considerably much more into the system than taking out and considerably much more than some others, behaved responsibly etc so that I have provided a good and stable family environment for my children to grow up in, and then passing on to them these good values, etc...


Why should we then be discriminated against by the schools and other systems, benefits etc for actually doing the right and proper things in life and being what the system is advocating that others should be doing.



It seems too much that Failure is rewarded and given priority and special treatment while telling them that they have to achieve and be honest decent successful skilled hard working people and provide good stable family environment for their children, but then those who are doing this and being successful will then be penalised by the same system.










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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jun 25, 2014 4:57 am

@TM
are you really penalised or are you just living by the rules you want enforced?

do you really want people starving in the street? can't you accept maybe you're just better at making money than some of those people ever will be?
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:10 am

Equality is impossible when you don't take people who were unlucky enough to have been born with a disadvantage and give them a leg up. If you were lucky enough to be born into a good, stable home as we think of it in Western civilization, you actually have an unfair advantage compared to people who were unfortunate enough to be born into true poverty, desperation, etc. If you think that those born into fortune should continue throughout life to have an advantage over those who were not, you're an aristocrat, not an egalitarian.

The only reason some people think it's unfair is because they are either incapable of seeing, or refuse to see, how bad some people in the world really have it.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:35 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:Equality is impossible when you don't take people who were unlucky enough to have been born with a disadvantage and give them a leg up. If you were lucky enough to be born into a good, stable home as we think of it in Western civilization, you actually have an unfair advantage compared to people who were unfortunate enough to be born into true poverty, desperation, etc. If you think that those born into fortune should continue throughout life to have an advantage over those who were not, you're an aristocrat, not an egalitarian.

The only reason some people think it's unfair is because they are either incapable of seeing, or refuse to see, how bad some people in the world really have it.

Proportional equality.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 25, 2014 5:54 am

Veya, yes penalised for actually doing what the system is encouraging us to do, once achieved, overlooked often in favour of others who are prioritised as a reward for failure. By a system that tries to launch them into the same level of achievement, only for them to then be penalised for succeeding by then being overlooked in favour of others.
Failure is rewarded with no end of extra help to be a success, but then this success is penalised by restricting opportunities as priority is then given to others....
There is nothing unfair about working hard and being responsible giving you a better and more stable life.
This IS life!!!
Many sacrifices are made to achieve this.
While some are being responsible and knuckling down, working hard to get on in life and provide a better life for themselves and their children and get penalised as a result, others are seeing that they are better off by not trying to get on in life as the system will give them more and more for the worse they are....
All in the name of equality mind.....
This is a race to the bottom, as the only way to be able to get on is to be a failure, the bigger the fail, the bigger the helping hand to launch you up to and beyond what you might ever have reached under your own steam.....
Don't be hard working, or study hard to be able to do a decent job and provide good stable environment for your childen, or pay your taxes As this will all count for nothing and will put you at a disadvantage as so many others are priorities above you and yours because of this....
I'm all for helping disadvantaged people to get on etc and have an equal chance etc, but EQUALITY does not mean giving some more than others.
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:00 am

Why should opportunity be inherited, Tommy? If it's good enough for one generation to earn it, it should be good enough for the next generation to earn it. Like I've said, anything else is aristocracy.
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:02 am

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Ben_Reilly wrote:Equality is impossible when you don't take people who were unlucky enough to have been born with a disadvantage and give them a leg up. If you were lucky enough to be born into a good, stable home as we think of it in Western civilization, you actually have an unfair advantage compared to people who were unfortunate enough to be born into true poverty, desperation, etc. If you think that those born into fortune should continue throughout life to have an advantage over those who were not, you're an aristocrat, not an egalitarian.

The only reason some people think it's unfair is because they are either incapable of seeing, or refuse to see, how bad some people in the world really have it.

Proportional equality.

Exactly, a true meritocracy puts everyone at the same point in competition, it does not reward some for being lucky enough to be born into an upscale family and punish others because they were not.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:16 am

Everyone should have equal opportunity but the system is favouring some more than others.....




And this is not about aristocracy at all, the really well off will still send their kids to private schools as usual and be largely unaffected.



This IS about people who have done the right thing through life, worked hard, studied hard, saved hard and largely gone without, to provide a better future for themselves and their children, then being put at the back of the queue in favour of others, being given MORE opportunity, not the same or equal, MORE!!!!



All in the name of 'equality'.....




'...Some are more equal than others...'










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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:18 am

You're still not seeing it, Tommy. The eternal curse of people who have it better than they think ...
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:19 am

Just put yourself in the place of the child rather than the parents, then what empathy you have might guide you to the truth.
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Post by Original Quill Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:41 am

People in the privileged group will inevitably view things from the standpoint of distributive equality. They want to see equality from the idea of equality of the distribution only, without regard for the relative prior situations. But that situation (status quo) is itself a chance occurrence.

In the real world, there can only be proportional equality--if equality is to mean anything.

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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:44 am

Original Quill wrote:People in the privileged group will inevitably view things from the standpoint of distributive equality.  They want to see equality from the idea of equality of the distribution only, without regard for the relative prior situations.  But that situation (status quo) is itself a chance occurrence.

In the real world, there can only be proportional equality--if equality is to mean anything.

As we say in the States, boo-yah.

Or, as LBJ put it ...

"You do not take a man who for years has been hobbled by chains, liberate him, bring him to the starting line of a race, saying, "you are free to compete with all the others," and still justly believe you have been completely fair."

Still one of the greatest Texans ever, regardless of the Vietnam shenanigans ...
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Post by Original Quill Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:47 am

Greatest Senate Majority Leader ever.

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:50 am

I'm a child.....
All things being equal.... why should I get more opportunity/access to schools than child B when they are all state funded and supposedly equal to all...???
Especially as child B's parents are working all the hours god sends and paying shit loads in tax when my parents do fuck all....???
Surely equal access is fair???
Anything else is making some more than equal......
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:52 am

At any rate, Tommy, if there is one ounce of legitimacy to your well-publicized theories of racial superiority that you've posted here, then there should be nothing, including preferences in policy, that will stop honky superiority from asserting itself and ensuring that the global social order is created and enforced by the superior honkies of the world. That's what being a "master race" is all about, after all -- mastering others.

(Bet you did "Nazi" that argument coming ... )
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:56 am

Tommy Monk wrote:I'm a child.....
All things being equal.... why should I get more opportunity/access to schools than child B when they are all state funded and supposedly equal to all...???
Especially as child B's parents are working all the hours god sends and paying shit loads in tax when my parents do fuck all....???
Surely equal access is fair???
Anything else is making some more than equal......

Again, you're a child ... the actions of your parents may have made a difference in how far you got along the path to being competitive. Why should another child whose parents did not make that effort be put behind you?
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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:57 am

Original Quill wrote:Greatest Senate Majority Leader ever.


Agreed. I think if it weren't for Vietnam, he'd be viewed as one of the greatest presidents ever as well. He did more to shape the experience of America for the disadvantaged than anybody besides FDR.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:31 am

Again, I'm talking about EQUAL access for all for state funded schools and services.


You are advocating some being more equal than others.....




While at the same time complaining that some might have preferential access over others as being wrong....




And You brought race into this Benny boy. Nobody else has mentioned it until now.....



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Post by Original Quill Wed Jun 25, 2014 7:38 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Again, I'm talking about EQUAL access for all for state funded schools and services.

You are advocating some being more equal than others.....

While at the same time complaining that some might have preferential access over others as being wrong....

And You brought race into this Benny boy. Nobody else has mentioned it until now.....


Do you see Ben?  He is talking about distributive equality (access).  He's not capable of understanding proportional equality.

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