Multi-culturalism is responsible for terror in our midst

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Due to these twin ideologies we are now confronted by the deadly menace of militant Islam within the heart of our society. In the name of diversity and tolerance, the state has allowed barbaric intolerance to flourish in our midst.

The lethal danger from jihadism has been graphically highlighted by the growing number of Muslims from Britain now fighting in Syria and Iraq. The police have estimated that more than 500 young radicals from our shores have travelled to the Middle East to join extremist groups such as the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), a notoriously savage organisation that wants to create a despotic medieval caliphate.

In addition, around 300 jihadists are thought to have returned to Britain after involvement in terrorist campaigns in Syria and Iraq, posing a lethal threat to the fabric of our civilisation. According to Richard Barrett, the former head of counter-terrorism at MI6, the sheer number of these returning zealots means that it would be "a completely impossible task" for our security forces to keep track of all of them.

The British Muslim link to jihadism was further emphasised over the weekend when a group of Islamists from Britain put a recruitment video online, urging young Muslims to join them in the fight with ISIS. "What prevents you from obtaining martyrdom and the pleasure of your lord?" asks one of the group. He has subsequently been identified as Reyaad Khan, a 20-year-old from Cardiff.

THE mounting evidence of home-grown jihadism has led to a predictable bout of hand-wringing and self-flagellation from left-wing commentators.

"Why do these young men feel so alienated from British society?" they ask in bewildered tones. But there is nothing incomprehensible about the actions of the British jihadists. They are just doing the same as Muslim extremists all over the world, following a vile political ideology. In their eager embrace of the blood soaked horror of ISIS, they are no different from the butchers of Drummer Lee Rigby or the kidnappers of schoolgirls in Nigeria, or the misogynist Taliban brutes of Afghanistan or the Islamic death squads in Somalia.

The British state, especially under Tony Blair, pretended that militant Islam could be contained at home by fighting it abroad but that was a complete fallacy. Our interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya have only succeeded in fuelling extremism within Britain, whipping up jihadists to new heights of self-righteous fury.

Another great fallacy of the progressive interventionists is that the flames of extremism can be extinguished by westernised education. But that is more wishful thinking. Just like the July bombers of 2005, all the British jihadists in the Middle East went through our schools system, yet still emerged as radicals.

But by far the worst error has been the state's addiction to immigration and multiculturalism. Domestic jihadism is the direct creation of a political class obsessed with open borders and the transformation of our society's structure. Thanks to these two strategies, the Muslim population of Britain has now reached almost three million, while one in 10 British children under the age of four is Muslim. The pro-immigration brigade tells us that this is no problem, since the "vast majority" of Muslims are moderate. But that is more self-deceit at odds with the evidence. One independent survey showed that 40 per cent of Muslims here want to live under Sharia law; another revealed that 32 per cent of Muslim students at university felt killing in the name of religion is justified.

Such attitudes have been reinforced by the state's fixation with cultural diversity which, instead of promoting integration, encourages migrant groups to cling to their traditional customs, practices, even languages. That is how we have ended up with Muslim enclaves dominated by the burkha, sharia tribunals, forced marriages, and ballot box fraud. Nor do the mosques do much to promote social cohesion. A recent study found that, out of Britain's 1,700 mosques, just two follow a modernist interpretation of the Koran, while a quarter do not even allow women on the premises.

And the truth is that Islamic extremists have contempt for our society. Their allegiance is entirely to their hardline doctrine, not to this country.

INDEED, it is absurd to describe them as "British" at all, for they have complete disdain for the normal responsibilities of British citizenship.

They are interested only in exploiting us, whether it be through welfare or education or housing or legal aid.

The political class has appeased radical Islam for far too long. The militants have only been emboldened by this stance, recognising it as weakness dressed up as tolerance. If we are to conquer the enemy within, that means getting far tougher with the extremists. Jihadists with only limited connections to Britain should be stopped from re-entering the country by the withdrawal of their passports. And those who make it back should face long sentences for terrorism and treachery.

But we would not be in this mess if our rulers had decided to protect our society instead of feebly colluding with our enemies.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/484235/Leo-McKinstry-on-multi-cultralism

I also know for a fact this poster is a Christian, wanna bet?


Ben is not generalizing, and you fail to see his irony, but then far right dummies are as seen very clueless

I honestly think you just try to confuse people with 'waffle'/ :-:bravo:-:  and hope that'll win you the argument. I'm not far right btw.

The Puzzler wrote:I honestly think you just try to confuse people with 'waffle'/ :-:bravo:-:  and hope that'll win you the argument.

No it shows how utterly gullible you are, because both Ben and I know which poster this is, faking to be a Muslim, but then as seen you are not very bright and I guess you have never heard of IP addresses either.

What a wally

Didge wrote:

The Puzzler wrote:I honestly think you just try to confuse people with 'waffle'/ :-:bravo:-:  and hope that'll win you the argument.

No it shows how utterly gullible you are, because both Ben and I know which poster this is, faking to be a Muslim, but then as seen you are not very bright and I guess you have never heard of IP addresses either.

What a wally

I did suspect it might be VOD, but thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

The Puzzler wrote:

Didge wrote:


No it shows how utterly gullible you are, because both Ben and I know which poster this is, faking to be a Muslim, but then as seen you are not very bright and I guess you have never heard of IP addresses either.

What a wally

I did suspect it might be VOD, but thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt.

I accept your apology

 

DRINKY'S baaacck !!!!

AND the silly old sozzled and senile reject never learns, once again making a total arse' of himself...

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PAGE THREE of this totally useless and totally flawed thread, with not one iota of proof from it's supporters ~ AND all that the smellybum'bandit has reconfirmed with a vengeance is just what an irrational, illogical, racist, fascist and xenophobic, unthinking braindead waste-of-space oxygen thief he truly is at heart.   

Tesstacious wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:
the people ostracising them.... you can't blame an individual for being stereotyped       

lets use an example    say Victor, he's a nice man does everything right and by the law but some other hunters are complete jack offs and go around killing peoples pets for fun. Now if Victor is out minding in own business hunting in a completely legal and allowed manner is it HIS fault is some Anti Hunting groups start harassing him accusing him of planning to kill their pets because some other Hunters did kill peoples pets in the past?  

Yep.  No need to kill animals at all nowadays.... .

SOME VALID REASONS for killing animals :

* Eating live animals is extremely cruel,

* Many live animals won't stay still long enough for sicko's to eat them;

* Meat is still a significant part of many culture's and society's diets;

* As long as people insist on keeping carnivores such as dogs, cats, snakes, ferrets, lizards, etc. as pets, other animals have to die to provide the meat components of their pet foods;

* Feral animals don't belong in many foreign locales;

* Wild pest animals such as rats, mice, mosquitoes, feral pigs and goats, are diseases carriers and nexuses;

* Malaria still kills millions of people every year;

* Rats, mice, termites, ants, moths, locusts - all animals, by the by - cause lots of damage across the world;

* EVERY time someone here sprays their houses or gardens, they are killing animals ~ even using organic poisons still leaves the pest animals, and any "side kill", just as dead.

* Bacteria and viruses are living beings ~ killing these wee little animals is necessary to treat and cure many diseases;

* Excessive populations often need to be culled ~ before they eat themselves out of house and home;

* WHEN an animal is suffering from a serious injury or disease, euthanising the poor critter is often the most humane way of putting it out of it's misery...    

Britain may not ignore it, but it’s not going to do very much about it.

A BBC reporter said today on the TV that this problem is the same all over the world. He should have added — but didn’t — “wherever there are Muslims.” Muslim-free countries don’t experience this problem at all.

The BBC report was about what the government can and cannot do in order to protect British people from this threat, and in general to avoid the “radicalisation” of UK Muslims.

Despite the fact that 9 years have passed without another 7/7, the government measures to fight Muslim radicalisation in this country have been a failure, the journalist went on to say.

What a surprise! The only reason there are not more terrorist attacks in the UK, I would say, is the constant surveillance of the “Muslim community” by police and intelligence services — with huge expenses for a gravely cash-strapped Britain — which is now necessary to increase.

Nevertheless, former MI6 director Richard Barrett explained that the security services will not be able to monitor all the “British” jihadists who return to the UK after fighting in Syria.

The implications for UK security of the Iraq and Syrian conflicts due to the “Britons” fighting there is a topic dominating the national newspapers.

“Terror fallout from British jihadists fighting in Syria will be felt for years to come in Britain,” headlines The Daily Mail.

This warning came from the top counter-terrorism expert Cressida Dick, the Metropolitan Police’s assistant commissioner and head of specialist operations, who said that Britain will feel the repercussions of Syria and the rise of Islamic extremism within its own borders for “for many, many, many years to come.”

She added that young “British” Muslims who have gone to fight in Syria might commit violence and terrorist acts when they return.

Possible links have been found between three Muslims based in Cardiff, Wales, who were present with other ISIS militants in a propaganda video filmed by the group, and two men from the same part of the city, who are in prison for having planned to blow up London’s Stock Exchange.

Shadow justice secretary Sadiq Khan warned that radicalisation in prisons was a big problem. Indeed, this corresponds to the dire predictions of Dr. Peter Hammond in his book Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat (Amazon USA), (Amazon UK).

The book says that, when the Muslim population reaches 2% to 5% of a country, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from jails and street gangs.

According to the the United Kingdom Census 2011, in that year Muslims were 2.7 million, 4.8% of the country’s total population.

Hammond’s book, which was first published in 2005 and then in a second edition in 2009, says that, when Muslims are above 5%, they exercise an influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims, and will increase pressure on supermarket chains to sell halal, with threats for failure to comply. They will also try to get the government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia law within their ghettos.

Rings a bell? This is the stage which Britain has already reached. The only prediction that hasn’t materialised is Muslim threats to supermarkets, only because they are redundant as those companies are all too eager to oblige.

And now look at the next stage: when Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of protest, examples of which are the car-burnings in Paris (and we can now add Sweden) and uprisings and threats for any action which offends Islam, namely any non-Muslim action. The greater the proportion of Muslim population the more frequent these tensions will be, until they become daily occurrences.

How can British people not have noticed that, over the years, their country’s Muslims — whose number has steadily increased — have indeed become more vociferous, oppressive, demanding, aggressive and dangerous?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/enza-ferreri/iraq-jihadists-in-the-u-k/

UK Muslims 'complacent' over threat of home-grown jihadists, warns top counter-terrorism officer Cressida Dick

Muslim communities in Britain are guilty of ‘complacency and passivity’ over the threat from home-grown jihadists, the UK’s top counter-terrorism officer warned last night.

The Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner, Cressida Dick, said there were many cases where ‘warning signs’ about extremists were not brought to the attention of authorities.

She also indicated some Muslims were too accepting of radical views, saying it was the police’s ‘greatest challenge’ to make them ‘wholly hostile to violent extremism’.

Her comments came as the Government was confronted with a damning assessment by a former head of the military of Britain’s capacity to confront terrorism.

Lord Richards of Herstmonceux, chief of the defence staff until last year, said the military was ‘not good enough’ to deal with the global threat from jihadis.

The crossbench peer, formerly General Sir David Richards, called for a rise in defence spending and warned that without it, the effectiveness of the Armed Forces would inevitably deteriorate further.

He told the Lords that militant jihadism was the biggest threat to the ‘free world today’, adding: ‘Are our Armed Forces in a fit state to play their role in dealing with these and other risks to our way of life? … The answer must be that it’s not good enough but it’s some consolation that it’s better than any other allied nation except the US.’

Another senior police officer backed Miss Dick’s remarks. Sir Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester, said a lot of extremists were radicalised ‘in their own community’.

He said propaganda videos of Syria made the conflict look like a ‘Boy Scout camp’ when the reality was ‘very brutal, very callous’.

The Government’s former counter-terror adviser Lord Carlile called for ministers to bring back powers used to control terror suspects, which were watered down after pressure from Nick Clegg. He said it was impossible for police and security services to follow jihadis returning to Britain from Syria or Iraq and said ministers were wrong to ‘abandon’ control orders which had protected the public.

Miss Dick, who leaves her role tomorrow, made her comments in an address to the Royal United Services Institute think-tank.

She said there is less ‘alertness’ among British Muslims about extremism compared with those in other countries. But she said violent images from Syria and Iraq were forcing them to confront the problem.

Police were using the conflicts to try to convince families and friends to turn in loved ones if they suspect them of extremist activities

She said: ‘In the UK we want to depend more on families, schools, friends, health professionals, employers, observing changes in behaviour and having the confidence to come forward. We do have frequent examples of this, but also many examples of warning signs being missed, ignored or not being brought to the attention of the authorities.’

Miss Dick added: ‘In the UK, it will be communities that defeat terrorism and it remains our greatest challenge to support the development of communities that are wholly hostile to violent extremism and to identify, support and protect those who are vulnerable to radicalisation.’ 

But she said that communities also need to ‘stand up to them and reject them’, adding: ‘The daily awful news stories underline the scale of the challenge and are, I believe, reducing complacency and passivity.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666460/UK-Muslims-complacent-threat-home-grown-jihadists-warns-counter-terrorism-officer-Cressida-Dick.html

ready for a unilateral war folks??

because that's whats coming our way

The local imam in Cardiff reckons these young men weren't radicalised in the local mosques, yet the local mosques have ultra conservative guest preachers like the one from Saudi Arabia banned from sensible countries, popping in, now I may wrong but I doubt they just turn up at the door, someone has invited them and at a guess that would be the mosque committee, which to me says there is a an appetite for this kind of preaching which hardly gives the impression of moderation among local Muslims. While this man was preaching the mosque was full to bursting again hardly indicates moderation if people are prepared to listen to this kind of thing.

Lone Wolf wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:

Yep.  No need to kill animals at all nowadays.... .

SOME VALID REASONS for killing animals :

* Eating live animals is extremely cruel,

* Many live animals won't stay still long enough for sicko's to eat them;

* Meat is still a significant part of many culture's and society's diets;

* As long as people insist on keeping carnivores such as dogs, cats, snakes, ferrets, lizards, etc. as pets, other animals have to die to provide the meat components of their pet foods;

* Feral animals don't belong in many foreign locales;

* Wild pest animals such as rats, mice, mosquitoes, feral pigs and goats, are diseases carriers and nexuses;

* Malaria still kills millions of people every year;

* Rats, mice, termites, ants, moths, locusts - all animals, by the by - cause lots of damage across the world;

* EVERY time someone here sprays their houses or gardens, they are killing animals ~ even using organic poisons still leaves the pest animals, and any "side kill", just as dead.

* Bacteria and viruses are living beings ~ killing these wee little animals is necessary to treat and cure many diseases;

* Excessive populations often need to be culled ~ before they eat themselves out of house and home;

* WHEN an animal is suffering from a serious injury or disease, euthanising the poor critter is often the most humane way of putting it out of it's misery...    

  

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:
Odd, multiculturalism incorporates many cultures and the country does call for integration and promotes it, we see this daily.

What a daft article, basically using Islamic extremism to thus promote a view to stop any different cultures coming here off a tiny minority of extremists, very flawed to say the least

Tiny minority eh?

..."The pro-immigration brigade tells us that this is no problem, since the "vast majority" of Muslims are moderate. But that is more self-deceit at odds with the evidence. One independent survey showed that 40 per cent of Muslims here want to live under Sharia law; another revealed that 32 per cent of Muslim students at university felt killing in the name of religion is justified."

  

ONCE AGAIN, Tess' has proven that Maths ~ alongside Science, Politics, and rational thinking ~ really aren't among her 'strong points'...

  

I haven't read through all this topic so forgive me if it's already been covered, BUT, over 400 (so-called) British Moslems have joined the Isis rebels. Should our society fear them when they return? I hope to God someone in government has the guts to ban them from coming back here.

Hey Stars, your dead right there chief, it looks really bad for our governments have been allowing terrorists back to live here...

If they have been fighting for the ' baddies' then they should be denied entry back Into Britain.,.

It's all rather worrying as some of these people could be our neighbour in the same street as us.

 
   OVER 300 Aussie Islamist "Jihadists" have either joined the Muslim Brotherhood, or are suspected of being in the process of doing so.

OVER 100 are known to have illegally joined foreign armies - mostly in Syria so far..

A FEW days ago, the Oz guvm'nt stated that it's reviewing the passport status of those Jihadists ~ so that those maintaining "duel citizenship" (and therefore possibly using two passports..) could have their Australian passport cancelled ~ and a step closer to then possibly banning their future re-entry.   

IF they survive their little 'adventures'.

stardesk wrote:
I haven't read through all this topic so forgive me if it's already been covered, BUT, over 400 (so-called) British Moslems have joined the Isis rebels. Should our society fear them when they return? I hope to God someone in government has the guts to ban them from coming back here.

  

WHICH in total, still has very little to do with the smellybum's insane and irrational central hypothesis in his O/P fairytale :

i.e. that the evil and unforgivable sin of recent UK governments in adopting the evil Satanic-communist-"liberal" act called "Multiculturalism" is responsible for the total downfall and disintegration of British civilisation as you good British peeps have known it for the last couple of millenia..

AND that anyone wot doesn't agree with the smelly'/BA/Tommy' view of the universe must be a traitorous dog and be put to death !

OR alternatively exiled to live under Drinky's rock in the lower back corner of his wife's back garden...    

Didge wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:Islam?

But they were already following Islam before they became radicalized, so what is the root cause?

islam remains the root cause

Muslims shouting ALLAHU AKBAR as they murder rape and maim with the qur'an in one hand and a weapon in the other, are not fighting for the beano or marvel comics you fool

their level of devotion increased

i have been saying it for years didge

the closer one gets to Islam the more that person becomes corrupt

the internet and news are FULL to overflowing with stories of

"my brother became more devout and then blew himself and 50 others up"

"my son started going to mosque more often and then went to syria"

its not rocket science to see a link between an increase in devotion and an increase in "radicalism"

stardesk wrote:I haven't read through all this topic so forgive me if it's already been covered, BUT, over 400 (so-called) British Moslems have joined the Isis rebels. Should our society fear them when they return? I hope to God someone in government has the guts to ban them from coming back here.

nothing will be done

clegg forced the control measures to be watered down to the level of useless

our politicians still need the Muslim vote, so their communities will not be monitored in order to secure community cohesion - read get their block vote.

when the jihadis come back our useless border farce wont even know they have returned, and even if they do, the returnees have committed no crimes in the UK

no

the first we will hear of it will be when they do a run-and-gun through blue water shopping mall and daisy chain a bombing campaign across London

watch this space

smelly_bandit wrote:

stardesk wrote:I haven't read through all this topic so forgive me if it's already been covered, BUT, over 400 (so-called) British Moslems have joined the Isis rebels. Should our society fear them when they return? I hope to God someone in government has the guts to ban them from coming back here.

nothing will be done

clegg forced the control measures to be watered down to the level of useless

our politicians still need the Muslim vote, so their communities will not be monitored in order to secure community cohesion - read get their block vote.

when the jihadis come back our useless border farce wont even know they have returned, and even if they do, the returnees have committed no crimes in the UK

no

the first we will hear of it will be when they do a run-and-gun through blue water shopping mall and daisy chain a bombing campaign across London

watch this space  

 

Yes watch this space, just like you claimed the same with Afghanistan and Iraq with some Muslims returning and guess what all attempts were foiled bar one, showing how little faith you hold in our security services. Let alone the fact these Muslim extremists actually want an Islamic nation and will be fighting for it for sometime, let alone if they want to come back, when many have burnt their own passports. I know you are a sniveling little coward afraid of your own shadow, but most of us do not live in fear.

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


nothing will be done

clegg forced the control measures to be watered down to the level of useless

our politicians still need the Muslim vote, so their communities will not be monitored in order to secure community cohesion - read get their block vote.

when the jihadis come back our useless border farce wont even know they have returned, and even if they do, the returnees have committed no crimes in the UK

no

the first we will hear of it will be when they do a run-and-gun through blue water shopping mall and daisy chain a bombing campaign across London

watch this space  

 

Yes watch this space, just like you claimed the same with Afghanistan and Iraq with some Muslims returning and guess what all attempts were foiled bar one, showing how little faith you hold in our security services. Let alone the fact these Muslim extremists actually want an Islamic nation and will be fighting for it for sometime, let alone if they want to come back, when many have burnt their own passports. I know you are a sniveling little coward afraid of your own shadow, but most of us do not live in fear.

i think the one living in fear is you didge

that's why you are so adamant that there isn't any threat to us and why you excuse these atrocities as "one offs" that wont come here, you simply lack the mental fortitude to accept the threat posed to us by the Muslim communities

its why you defend them regardless of what they do

its why you have submitted and capitulated to them, perhaps you think they will kill you last if you are a good faithful little dog

tell me didge

is it why you converted to islam??

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Yes watch this space, just like you claimed the same with Afghanistan and Iraq with some Muslims returning and guess what all attempts were foiled bar one, showing how little faith you hold in our security services. Let alone the fact these Muslim extremists actually want an Islamic nation and will be fighting for it for sometime, let alone if they want to come back, when many have burnt their own passports. I know you are a sniveling little coward afraid of your own shadow, but most of us do not live in fear.

i think the one living in fear is you didge

that's why you are so adamant that there isn't any threat to us and why you excuse these atrocities as "one offs" that wont come here, you simply lack the mental fortitude to accept the threat posed to us by the Muslim communities  

its why you defend them regardless of what they do

its why you have submitted and capitulated to them, perhaps you think they will kill you last if you are a good faithful little dog

tell me didge

is it why you converted to islam??

Oh there is a threat and we have lived with a threat of terrorism in this country since I was born, hence why united against terrorism, shows strength and that the nation will not bow down to terror, something that clearly eludes that feeble mind of yours. So no smelly I have never lived in fear.

I have never defended extremists or terrorists, what I do is correct false claims you make and your poor attempts to castigate all other Muslims along with them, for you to even think that shows how far you are off the loony chart, when your views are in complete line with theirs, hate.  

Unlike you smelly who ran away because you would be in trouble if you stayed in SA (Greyshirt), I will not be bowed by threats from anyone and never have, you though as seen left with your tail between your legs and came here to seek sanctuary and then try poorly to poison the minds of people with hate. It just makes me laugh that all you can ever do is make poor accusations, because I always make you look like an idiot

Score buddy

 ::D::

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

i think the one living in fear is you didge

that's why you are so adamant that there isn't any threat to us and why you excuse these atrocities as "one offs" that wont come here, you simply lack the mental fortitude to accept the threat posed to us by the Muslim communities  

its why you defend them regardless of what they do

its why you have submitted and capitulated to them, perhaps you think they will kill you last if you are a good faithful little dog

tell me didge

is it why you converted to islam??

Oh there is a threat and we have lived with a threat of terrorism in this country since I was born, hence why united against terrorism, shows strength and that the nation will not bow down to terror, something that clearly eludes that feeble mind of yours. So no smelly I have never lived in fear.

I have never defended extremists or terrorists, what I do is correct false claims you make and your poor attempts to castigate all other Muslims along with them, for you to even think that shows how far you are off the loony chart, when your views are in complete line with theirs, hate.  

Unlike you smelly who ran away because you would be in trouble if you stayed in SA (Greyshirt), I will not be bowed by threats from anyone and never have, you though as seen left with your tail between your legs and came here to seek sanctuary and then try poorly to poison the minds of people with hate. It just makes me laugh that all you can ever do is make poor accusations, because I always make you look like an idiot

Score buddy

 ::D::

you will not be bowed??

correct

you need a spine first

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Oh there is a threat and we have lived with a threat of terrorism in this country since I was born, hence why united against terrorism, shows strength and that the nation will not bow down to terror, something that clearly eludes that feeble mind of yours. So no smelly I have never lived in fear.

I have never defended extremists or terrorists, what I do is correct false claims you make and your poor attempts to castigate all other Muslims along with them, for you to even think that shows how far you are off the loony chart, when your views are in complete line with theirs, hate.  

Unlike you smelly who ran away because you would be in trouble if you stayed in SA (Greyshirt), I will not be bowed by threats from anyone and never have, you though as seen left with your tail between your legs and came here to seek sanctuary and then try poorly to poison the minds of people with hate. It just makes me laugh that all you can ever do is make poor accusations, because I always make you look like an idiot

Score buddy

 ::D::

you will not be bowed??

correct

you need a spine first  

Well that shows how dim you are, if I had no spine, I would be bent over, double and bowed you dummy.


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 


Fuck me you are thick!

Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

you will not be bowed??

correct

you need a spine first  

Well that shows how dim you are, if I had no spine, I would be bent over, double and bowed you dummy.


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 


Fuck me you are thick!

LOADS of smilies today didge

you need to work on your poker face

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well that shows how dim you are, if I had no spine, I would be bent over, double and bowed you dummy.


 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 


Fuck me you are thick!

LOADS of smilies today didge

you need to work on your poker face

No need to work on anything, just having fun with a clown, that being you

anyway back to the topic

My dear friend Ali Sina mentioned in his most recent article that a Muslim professor, Hossein Askari, believes that Western nations lead the World in “Islamic values” and that most Muslim nations practice the least Islamic values. I have heard such nonsense before from some Muslims, some of whom were my relatives. I will never forget the strange look on my Christian American husband’s face when an elderly Muslim man visiting from Egypt told him: “You are such a fine young man, you have the character of a true Muslim.”

It is not unusual for Muslims to describe non-Muslims whom they perceive as good as having “Islamic values.” Many Christians in Egypt have to suffer hearing comments by Muslims such as: “You are so good, you must convert to Islam, you have the character of a true Muslim.”

How can educated Muslims professors make ridiculous claims like that Ireland “leads the world in Islamic values as Muslim states lag”? Islamic logic, in that case, says, if Irish people have noses, eyes, arms and legs like Muslims then they must be Muslim. This twisted logic wants to hide the truth: that many Muslims no longer want to live under Islamic values, but since that is considered apostasy in Islam, the only way out is to claim life in the land of the Great Satan is really equal to living the true Islamic life.

Muslims are trained to adjust reality to Islamic propaganda; thus everything good must come from Islam and everything bad comes from the Kafir non-believer. So it is Islamic logic to believe that if Christians are good then they must be Muslim, but they just don’t know it yet.

The Muslim dilemma about the West gets more complicated when over 70% of Muslim youth are desperately trying to leave the Muslim world to immigrate to Western nations. Many Muslims are stunned, disappointing and filled with envy when they compare infidel and Islamic nations and discover that infidels have achieved what Muslims could only dream of. Such an awakening by Muslims flies against the Islamic propaganda that has indoctrinated generations into believing that Islam is the solution.

So if Islam is the solution, how come Muslims are happier in the West? Simple: Muslims discovered what the West failed to understand about their own values; According to Muslims, it is Islamic values — so “Allahu Akbar” anyway.

Islam has trained the Islamic mind to solve any contradictions with the goal of making sure that Islam looks good at any cost. In other words, reality has to adjust to Islamic teachings. Muslims must never admit that Western success is attributed to the Judeo-Christian value system. That is why Muslim professors on American college campuses claim that Western cultural success is due to Islamic and not Biblical values, and that the US Constitution is Sharia compliant.

This is nothing new for Islam, Mohammed himself claimed that Christianity and Judaism, which preceded Islam by thousands of years, are in fact Islam, but have just been corrupted. Mohammed started by linking himself to the Abrahamic line in order to get legitimacy and after that he discredited the Jews and Christians as apes, pigs and enemies of Allah. Mohammed taught his followers that Abraham, Jesus, Moses etc., all are in fact Muslims and have Islamic values.

Because of Islamic Sharia’s severe and humiliating punishments, Muslims had to mold their thinking to never venture outside the Islamic mental box. Muslims who are brave enough to think critically for themselves will easily find Islamic values, summed up in Sharia, to be the antithesis of Biblical values.

Mr. Askari, like many devout Muslims, refuses to judge Islam by its fruits that are exploding all around the world. Instead of graciously giving credit where it is due — to the fruits of the Bible — he chose to slap Western culture in the face by shamelessly teaching that Western nations’ success is due to Islamic values. Amazing, that sounds exactly like Mohammed.

This line of thought fits perfectly with the jihadists who are hell bent on violently converting the West to Islam. But the smart stealth jihadist Muslims choose to leave violent jihad to others, and would rather tell the American people that everything good is Islamic and that the corrupted values of the Bible could not have resulted in the fruits of Western success.

Askari probably feels that the poor Western citizens just don’t know what Islam already knows, but are unaware that the West is practicing Islamic values more than Muslims themselves.

Most Muslims are unaware that it is Muslim culture that heavily borrowed from the Bible. Muslims often say “don’t go to bed angry” but are unaware that this is a Biblical value and not a Quranic value. They say “Salamu Alaykum” and respond by saying “Alaykum El Salam” but are unaware that they have borrowed this from Jews’ “Shalom Aleikhem” and the response “Aleikhem Shalom.” They say that Islam is a religion of peace when in fact Islam advocates war and relentlessly urges its followers to die in war while killing the enemies of their Allah.

The so called “moderate Muslims” who advocate that the US Constitution is Sharia compliant, are dangerous because they are stealth jihadists who have no loyalty to the US Constitution and what America is all about. Their loyalty is to the Islamic agenda of the establishment of the Khalifate. The religion of Mohammed has produced millions of people who think like Askari who are constantly struggling with a severe case of ethnocentrism.

Western nations so far have based their way of life on Judeo-Christian values of the Bible; a book outlawed by Islam under penalty of death. It is time for American college campuses to get rid of Muslim teachers who under the guise of research are advocating Islam 101.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/nonie-darwish/islamic-values-vs-judeo-christian-values/

Well that was quite amusing, so please tell me throughout history, what Judeo-christian values of the bible have based western ways of life?
The holocaust?
The Inquisition?
The Slave trade?
Colonialism destruction of continents?


I think it was moving away from such Judeo-Christian values which has brought us where we are today, its called progression, where women got the vote,, women rights, homosexuals obtain equality, religious equality, ethnic equality etc, none were born from Judeo-Christian values. What changed in the west is less people having a literal belief in the bible.


Interesting also he advocates censorship to teaching as well, while he himself teaches a different view of Islam, kind of wanting to ban the opposition, sounds more like the Third Reich that, ban all other works accept those sanctioned by the Government.

How odd indeed

Didge wrote:Well that was quite amusing, so please tell me throughout history, what Judeo-christian values of the bible have based western ways of life?
The holocaust?
The Inquisition?
The Slave trade?
Colonialism destruction of continents?


I think it was moving away from such Judeo-Christian values which has brought us where we are today, its called progression, where women got the vote,, women rights, homosexuals obtain equality, religious equality, ethnic equality etc, none were born from Judeo-Christian values. What changed in the west is less people having a literal belief in the bible.


Interesting also he advocates censorship to teaching as well, while he himself teaches a different view of Islam, kind of wanting to ban the opposition, sounds more like the Third Reich that, ban all other works accept those sanctioned by the Government.

How odd indeed

you are right didge

its moving away from judeo-christain values that is definitely responsible for the state of the western nations today

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:Well that was quite amusing, so please tell me throughout history, what Judeo-christian values of the bible have based western ways of life?
The holocaust?
The Inquisition?
The Slave trade?
Colonialism destruction of continents?


I think it was moving away from such Judeo-Christian values which has brought us where we are today, its called progression, where women got the vote,, women rights, homosexuals obtain equality, religious equality, ethnic equality etc, none were born from Judeo-Christian values. What changed in the west is less people having a literal belief in the bible.


Interesting also he advocates censorship to teaching as well, while he himself teaches a different view of Islam, kind of wanting to ban the opposition, sounds more like the Third Reich that, ban all other works accept those sanctioned by the Government.

How odd indeed

you are right didge

its moving away from judeo-christain values that is definitely responsible for the state of the western nations today

100% correct. it is people moving away from a literal belief in the Bible that has seen the West progress, when many held a literal belief, women were burned as witches, people were burned as heretics, homosexuals were executed as a punishment, this all changed, and why?

Literal belief.

Because as seen the Abrahamic faiths are full of violence and vile punishments and now we have many Christian apologists like you try to ignore parts of the bible, even William Lane Craig tries to defend the violence in the bible

The collapse of Christianity has wrecked British society, a leading Church of England bishop declared yesterday.

It has destroyed family life and left the country defenceless against the rise of radical Islam in a moral and spiritual vacuum.

In a lacerating attack on liberal values, the Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, said the country was mired in a doctrine of 'endless self-indulgence' that had brought an explosion in public violence and binge-drinking.

In a blow to Gordon Brown, he mocked the 'scramblings and scratchings' of politicians who try to cast new British values such as respect and tolerance.

The Pakistani-born bishop dated the downfall of Christianity from the 'social and sexual revolution' of the 1960s.

He said Church leaders had capitulated to Marxist revolutionary thinking and quoted an academic who blames the loss of 'faith and piety among women' for the steep decline in Christian worship.

Dr Nazir-Ali said the ' newfangled and insecurely founded' doctrine of multiculturalism has left immigrant communities 'segregated, living parallel lives'.

Christian values of human dignity, equality and freedom could be lost as the way is left open for the advance of brands of Islam that do not respect Western values.

The Bishopric of Rochester is one of the ten most powerful positions in the Church of England.

Dr Nazir-Ali's attack on the decline of Christianity appears to put him in the opposite corner to the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and many of his fellow bishops.

But he holds some views in common with the Church's other widely-heard and popular prelate, Ugandan-born Dr John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York.

Over the past six months, Dr Nazir-Ali has made a number of criticisms of Islam and its influence.

Among them have been charges about the spread of no-go areas for non-Muslims and worries over the impact of new mosques.

Last weekend he was one of just three bishops who backed a move in the Church's parliament, the General Synod, to encourage the conversion of Muslims to Christianity.

His latest attack once again criticises Dr Williams's backing for sharia law, saying that 'recognising its jurisdiction in public law is fraught with difficulties, precisely as it arises from a different set of assumptions than the tradition of law here'.

Dr Nazir-Ali detailed his arguments in an article in the newly-launched political magazine Standpoint.

The bishop, himself an immigrant from Pakistan in the mid-1980s, admitted that he might be thought the least qualified person to discuss British identity. But he quoted Kipling: 'What should they know of England who only England know?'

The bishop said 'something momentous' had happened in the 1960s. He quoted historians who point to a cultural revolution in which women ceased to uphold or pass on the Christian faith and to the role of Marxist revolutionaries.

Dr Nazir-Ali pointed with approval to a finding that 'instead of resisting this phenomenon, liberal theologians and church leaders all but capitulated.

He said: 'It has created the moral and spiritual vacuum in which we now find ourselves.' In the place of Christianity there was nothing 'except perhaps endless self-indulgence'.

The bishop said the consequences were 'the destruction of the family because of the alleged parity of different forms of life together, the loss of a father figure, especially for boys, because the role of fathers is deemed otiose, the abuse of substances (including alcohol), the loss of respect for the person leading to horrendous and mindless attacks, the increasing communications gap between generations and social classes - the list is very long.'

Another result, he said, was that immigrants had been welcomed, not on the basis of Britain's Christian heritage, to which they would be welcome to contribute, but by the 'newfangled and insecurely-founded doctrine of multiculturalism'.

The bishop warned that views not founded on Christianity would not produce the same values. 'Instead of Christian virtues of humility, service and sacrifice, there may be honour, piety, the saving of face, etc'.

He questioned what resources were available for an ideological battle against radical Islamism, saying 'the scramblings and scratchings around of politicians for values which would provide ammunition' were hardly adequate.
Convert who crusaded against the extremists

Born into a Roman Catholic family in Pakistan, the young Michael Nazir-Ali converted to Anglicanism at the age of 20.

As a young man, he suffered rough treatment of the kind regularly handed out to Christians in a country where failing to follow the official religion can sometimes end in murder.

He moved to Cambridge to study theology and then returned as a priest to Pakistan before being brought to London in the 1980s to serve as an assistant to the then Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Robert Runcie.

He is one of the bishops who has been called on by the Prince of Wales to give advice on Islam.

However, Dr Nazir-Ali does not share the prince's enthusiasm for Islamic values. He has warned Charles to give up his hope of being 'defender of faiths' because of the incompatibility of different beliefs.

Dr Nazir-Ali has accused Muslims of promoting double standards by looking for both 'victimhood and domination'; he has called for powers for officialdom to remove veils from Muslim women for security reasons; and he has warned repeatedly over the dangers of extremism.

In particular he has called on Islamic leaders to allow Muslims to abandon their beliefs and adopt other religions.

Dr Nazir-Ali has spoken up for an estimated 3,000 Britons under threat of retaliation for giving up their faith and he has condemned Islamic states that maintain the death penalty for apostasy.

His outspokenness has put him in the vanguard of opposition to hardline Islamism and made him one of the highest-placed enemies of the gay rights movement.

He angered the Archbishop of Canterbury by threatening to boycott this year's Lambeth Conference of Anglican bishops from around the world.

He has criticised civil partnerships and opposed the extension of IVF treatment to single women and lesbians.

Dr Nazir-Ali has much in common with the Archbishop of York Dr John Sentamu. Unlike him, however, he does not have a populist touch.

This may have contributed to his failure to win the post of Archbishop of Canterbury, for which he was once considered a leading candidate.

The 58-year-old bishop has now remained in Rochester for nearly 14 years.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1022491/Bishop-says-collapse-Christianity-wrecking-British-society--Islam-filling-void.html#ixzz35ltGaRkJ
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Didge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:


you are right didge

its moving away from judeo-christain values that is definitely responsible for the state of the western nations today

100% correct. it is people moving away from a literal belief in the Bible that has seen the West progress, when many held a literal belief, women were burned as witches, people were burned as heretics, homosexuals were executed as a punishment, this all changed, and why?

Literal belief.

Because as seen the Abrahamic faiths are full of violence and vile punishments and now we have many Christian apologists like you try to ignore parts of the bible, even William Lane Craig tries to defend the violence in the bible

sounds awful didge

sounds almost like any Muslim country on earth

but you are of course making a massive error

can you guess what it is??

no?? too stupid??

ok ill tell you

you're confusing the church and social morals based on judeo-christian VALUES

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Thanks for that smelly, always a good laugh.

Shame he seems to know very little about the history of Christianity in the west an how thankfully now many people do not hold a literal belief of the bible

smelly_bandit wrote:

Didge wrote:


100% correct. it is people moving away from a literal belief in the Bible that has seen the West progress, when many held a literal belief, women were burned as witches, people were burned as heretics, homosexuals were executed as a punishment, this all changed, and why?

Literal belief.

Because as seen the Abrahamic faiths are full of violence and vile punishments and now we have many Christian apologists like you try to ignore parts of the bible, even William Lane Craig tries to defend the violence in the bible

sounds awful didge
sounds almost like any Muslim country on earth
but you are of course making a massive error
can you guess what it is??
no?? too stupid??
ok ill tell you
you're confusing the church and social morals based on judeo-christian VALUES

Really?

I do not think so, what is Herem smelly?
Explain the Flood?
Explain the killing of the first born of Egypt?
Explain Sodom and Gomorrah?

What is supposed to happen in the second coming of Christ in the bible.
Nothing to do with Church Dogma, as there are thousands of different churches.

Try again

you're asking me to explain events in a book you think is unreliable used to describe a god you don't believe exists??

you are on confuse puppy dog aren't???

thought you were an atheist, but you're acting like you believe the flood happened at gods commands??

do you god caused the flood??

lets get a baseline to better understand where you're coming from shall we??

it just makes it easier for me to nail you down

smelly_bandit wrote:you're asking me to explain events in a book you think is unreliable used to describe a god you don't believe exists??
you are on confuse puppy dog aren't???
thought you were an atheist, but you're acting like you believe the flood happened at gods commands??
do you god caused the flood??
lets get a baseline to better understand where you're coming from shall we??
it just makes it easier for me to nail you down

PMSL, so now only Muslims take a literal belief but Christians do not or never have and these parts of the bible have never been used to punish people?

Seriously you cannot make it up how stupid you are.
I do not think there is any God that has done these things but clearly those who believe do and thus the bible is full of violence, even worse herem, of which there is clear evidence of outside the bible with invasions into Canaan, that shows invasions did happen historically .

Got to love a Christian apologist.

So again explain the following


What is Herem smelly?
Explain the Flood?
Explain the killing of the first born of Egypt?
Explain Sodom and Gomorrah?

What is supposed to happen in the second coming of Christ in the bible?

You're both right, of course. The Old Testament is rife with stories of terror, horror, persecution, death penalties, genocide. You name it, it's there. After the time of Jesus and Christianity spread into Europe, the crimes continued, though mostly on a personal level, as Didge said, calling old ladies witches and burning them at the stake. Burning them for cursing someone's cattle, or baby. A sad story indeed.

But, we musn't forget that our civilization's backbone is/was the commandments and Biblical teaching. It is what made us what we are today, or what we were until recent years. It hasn't stopped us from scientific advancement. Many people still go to church and other faith halls. It isn't dead, not by any means. Whilst some of us have broken away from God and found evolution more realistic, we still live by those old religious laws. Most of us still use Biblical quotations in normal daily conversation. whether we believe or not, our society, though progressed, and still believing in a God, isn't still practicing ancient and archaic religious laws as do Moslems. It is that archaism and mentally primitive way of life which is the threat to our society. We don't want to see it in our street. Yes there are Westernized Moslems, but basically they still live in the past.

stardesk wrote:You're both right, of course. The Old Testament is rife with stories of terror, horror, persecution, death penalties, genocide. You name it, it's there. After the time of Jesus and Christianity spread into Europe, the crimes continued, though mostly on a personal level, as Didge said, calling old ladies witches and burning them at the stake. Burning them for cursing someone's cattle, or baby. A sad story indeed.

But, we musn't forget that our civilization's backbone is/was the commandments and Biblical teaching. It is what made us what we are today, or what we were until recent years. It hasn't stopped us from scientific advancement. Many people still go to church and other faith halls. It isn't dead, not by any means. Whilst some of us have broken away from God and found evolution more realistic, we still live by those old religious laws.

Disagree on backbone i Stardesk, because it was those who stood for Christianity, that tried to deny women getting the vote, women working, homosexuals having equal rights etc, you can hardly lay claim that this is the back bone that has seen progression in the west. What is seen clearly is by the time of Darwin, people started to take a less literal view of the bible and thak goodness for that. That is the problem with any religion including Islam, a literal belief

Didge, I did say 'until recent years.' We've moved away from sticking to the rule book, giving the vote to women, now recognising the Gay communities rights. Irrespective of past religious crimes against humanity, we can't deny that our society still functions by an acceptance and inheritance of those old Biblical laws, commandments. Even in a court room, somone in the dock is asked to swear on the Bible.

Logging off now. Had a busy day in the garden before we get the rain that's forecast. Be back in the morning.

stardesk wrote:Didge, I did say 'until recent years.' We've moved away from sticking to the rule book, giving the vote to women, now recognising the Gay communities rights. Irrespective of past religious crimes against humanity, we can't deny that our society still functions by an acceptance and inheritance of those old Biblical laws, commandments. Even in a court room, somone in the dock is asked to swear on the Bible.

Well we might as well say we go by Hammurabi's laws and not biblical as they are very much taken from his, which were not religious but the laws of a King

stardesk wrote:Logging off now. Had a busy day in the garden before we get the rain that's forecast. Be back in the morning.

Take care mate

A wave of Islamization rolls over Europe, hardly meeting any resistance. Statistics are grimmer and more hopeless every day. A demographic collapse passed from being a forecast to being a reality: the number of children in European families does not exceed 1.4, while in immigrant families from Islamic countries it is almost thrice higher: 3.6.

Of the total number of babies in Western Europe about 20% are born into such families. The most popular male name for a newborn in Brussels is Muhammad. In Germany the number of births has fallen lower than in the last year of WW2. Fifteen percent of the military personnel in the French Army are Muslims. In the Swiss Army their share is even higher: 20%.

In France, one of the European countries worst-hit by Muslim immigration, Muslims from Northern and Sub-Saharan Africa exceed 15% of the total population. Extrapolating current demographic trends, it is expected that by 2025 their share will grow to 25%. As Muslims vote by a monolithic bloc, while native votes are politically dispersed, sociologists point that they, even being in minority, can take under control both the legislative and executive branches of power.

All the Western world shuddered over the words by the famous Bernard Lewis , who warned that by the end of the century, Europe would be Islamicized. Such an outcome, with current demographic trends, seems inevitable, and the journalists and writers mainly discuss three scenarios, how it will happen:

           Gradual colonization of Europe accompanied by the constantly growing political and cultural influence of Islamic immigrant diaspora, who will capture all the heights in economic, political and cultural life. This process will accelerate while native collaborationists will be joining the victors in order to participate in splitting the trophies. That it will be so is proven by the fact that each year about 50,000 French convert to Islam. Genderless Europe, lost in fruitless discussions about “rights” and “tolerance” will surrender without hardly any resistance, and Europeans will become second-class unwelcomed guests in their own countries. This is the outcome predicted by the French writer Jean Raspail in his The Camp of the Saints
           Military conquest. Based on their quickly growing numerical advantage and religious fanaticism, Muslims will conquer European countries and ruthlessly oppress any and all attempts of the conquered to resist and convert women and children to Islam, reducing all who refuse to the position of “Dhimmies”- half-slaves who are doomed to live only by the mercy of their Muslim masters.
           Civil war, when a part of the population, faced with the perspective of the destruction of their civilization and their countries, unite around the right-wing parties and start the fight. On the other side there will be an army of Muslims, most of them born in Europe but ideologically brainwashed by those sent from Saudi Arabia and other ideological centers of Islamic mullahs. It will be a true religious war, and what it means can be seen in the example of Germany, which had lost 2/3 of its population during the Thirty-Years War.

All three scenarios generously rewarded both writers, journalists, sociologists and politicians with money and publicity for numerous books, articles and speeches at the International Forums, but all three share the same problem; their reality cannot be evaluated. One of the reasons is that they are based on demographic forecasts, that have always been something more related to voodoo than to real science.
Muslim women on the Champs-Elysées

Muslim women on the Champs-Elysées

During the last two centuries, all attempts to forecast the dynamics of the population movement invariably ended in failure. Demographic trends are of a cyclic nature, and nobody can be sure where they will turn and what their results will be in the future.

Another reason is that Islamic world is not immune to demographic factors either. In the last two decades, the birth rate among Muslims is rapidly falling, and in immigrant families in Europe this trend is even more pronounced. Demographically, the Muslim diaspora in Europe just lags behind the native European population but demonstrates an absolutely similar trend to smaller families. Two or three generations more, and the quantity of the cannon fodder will not be sufficient for feeding the idea about an “Islamic Caliphate.”

And finally, the Muslim diaspora in Europe is not something monolithic. Most French Muslims are Arabs, Berbers and Africans from former French colonies; in Britain Muslims are mainly from Pakistan and Bangladesh, and German Muslims are mostly Turks and Kurds. For them Arabs are historic enemies, and they remember it very well. Add to this the differences between Sunnis and Shi’a Muslims; to form a united front of these very different and openly antagonistic groups is practically impossible.

However, this does not mean that Muslims have no chances to conquer Europe. The main danger for Europe is Europe itself.

Muslim-Immigrants-ParisUnder the pressure from their own people who, seeing the results of the policy of multiculturalism, they call for tolerance for practically anything immigrants do because “we owe them for centuries of colonization.” After an alarming delinquency growth, especially rapes, there is an evident shift to the right, and European governments start to toughen immigration policies. But no matter how tough, this policy all the same will let immigrants live a lot better than how they lived in their countries of origin. And they will not go back; more probably, they will start active fighting in order to make the Western governments and Western people go on letting them comfortably push Europeans out of their own countries, rape white women in Britain, Sweden and Denmark by the hundreds, cut the heads off British soldiers in broad daylight in London and shoot French soldiers in the streets of Toulouse.

The West has already seen the reaction of Muslim immigrants to any attempts to make them comply with Western laws and norms… in Paris in 2005, in Lampedusa, in Rome…. Just making some changes here and there will not help; the entire system must be changed.

Europe today is surprisingly similar to Ancient Rome before its fall; immense wealth, using the cheap labor of modern “slaves”- immigrants- leaving millions of native  people, citizens of the country, on welfare (a modern equivalent of the Roman giving bread and wine to the poor), moral decadence, degradation of the people who find it quite normal to live without working and who find special pride in successfully cheating the society to make it pay them more, alcohol, drugs… And of course, constant and endless talks about “freedom” and  “democracy” which have reached such heights that now the West is quite seriously talking about the legalization of incest and pedophilia… And the so-called “light drugs” like marijuana, which destroy the brain and personality of a human being, are already legalized; the next step will be legalizing other drugs, follow the ads.

Women want to have sex but without such unpleasant and annoying consequences as children, preferring to take care of dogs, cats and other pets instead of taking care of their own children, and the governments approve this, propagating “save sex.” It’s not only the elites that degraded; this would be unpleasant for high society- but not mortally dangerous for the moral health of the nation as a whole. Now this degradation has spread to the people.

Without changing the general concept of the basic principles of our society, without putting an end to the liberal nonsense about the superiority of an individual over the rights of society, without ending the practice of putting the rights of immigrants above the rights of the native people, citizens of the country, and instead of directing social funds on aid to native families with three or more children, and by instead, directing these funds to helping immigrant families – (in Denmark, for example, Muslim immigrants make up just 5% of the population but enjoy 40% of the total amount of the national social aid programs)- the process of the Islamization of Europe cannot be stopped.

http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/06/27/main-danger-europe/

The denial of the reality of jihad is thicker than ever, even as jihadis advance around the world. And it endangers us all.

Former CIA officer John Maguire revealed this week that the CIA was blindsided by the rise of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), which now controls so much of Syria and Iraq and has designs on a great deal more territory. Maguire attributed the CIA’s underestimating of ISIL’s threat to The Company’s reduced presence in Iraq: “This is a glaring example of the erosion of our street craft and our tradecraft and our capability to operate in a hard place. The U.S. taxpayer is not getting their money’s worth.”

But that isn’t the whole story. Another reason why the CIA was completely surprised by ISIL’s advance was because the Obama Administration has so thoroughly deemphasized the jihad threat, and loudly and repeatedly proclaimed that al Qaeda was the only jihad group – and was, for its part, “on the ropes.” ISIL, an offshoot of al Qaeda in a country where Obama was in a hurry to declare victory and get out was unlikely to be the focus of sustained or serious analysis.

The willful ignorance is all-pervasive. It is a fundamental dogma of our age that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Western countries are enthusiastic democratic pluralists who reject and abhor not only jihad terrorism, but the elements of Sharia that are at variance with otherwise universally held principles of human rights. This dogma keeps running up against the buzz-saw of reality, but that never seems to make a difference to authorities.

And so it was this week that the UK’s Daily Mail noted that the Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner, Cressida Dick, said of Britain’s Muslim communities that “there were many cases where ‘warning signs’ about extremists were not brought to the attention of authorities. She also indicated some Muslims were too accepting of radical views, saying it was the police’s ‘greatest challenge’ to make them ‘wholly hostile to violent extremism.’”

How could this be? After all, a core assumption of British intelligence and law enforcement officials is that Muslim communities on the Sceptered Isle unambiguously oppose “violent extremism,” except, of course, for that pesky and ever-present tiny minority of extremists. So why were Muslims sometimes not bringing potential jihadis to the attention of authorities? Of course the obvious reason for this, and for why some Muslims in Britain are “too accepting of radical views,” is because they agree with those “radical views” and consider them to be authentic Islam. But that prospect is so horrifying in its implications that British officials do not dare face it.

Indeed, it is virtually universally accepted that Islam is inherently peaceful, and that only the extremists who misunderstand it (and vicious Islamophobes) think otherwise. So it was that at the University of Calgary, university officials ignored a professor’s warnings about potential jihadists on campus – after all, such a suggestion is “Islamophobic,” is it not?

A Muslim from Calgary, Farah Mohamed Shirdon, is in Iraq waging jihad with ISIL, and a former University of Calgary professor, Aaron Hughes, is saying that he tried to warn university officials that something like this was in the offing.

Hughes said: “I was very much bothered by the conservative nature of the Muslim student body. I was definitely aware of the potential for radicalization on campus. That is another venue in which potential radicalization could occur, so not just at mosques, but also on campus.” However, “I had been mentioning the conservative nature of these students and the university; they just weren’t interested in it.”

These “conservative” students annoyed Hughes by refusing to accept his understanding of Islam: “They made teaching Islam from an objective perspective very difficult because they knew what the ‘real’ Islam was. Of course they didn’t.” Or maybe they did, but Hughes, assured of the fact that Islam was a Religion of Peace, was certain that they were actually ignorant of their own religion, no matter how dedicated to it they were.

University officials, in any case, disregarded Hughes’s warnings. Jihadis on campus? Inconceivable! Islam is a Religion of Peace!

Even terrorism may be peaceful nowadays. Mohamed Hassan Hersi, a Muslim in Toronto who has been convicted of trying to join the jihad terror group al Shabaab, was only engaged, according to his lawyer, in “non-violent terrorism.”

“Non-violent terrorism”? The phrase is as stupid and devoid of content as another popular term these days, “moderate Islamist.”

The world is in flames because of Islamic jihad. Will those flames finally burn away the all-blanketing fog of disinformation, misinformation, and willful ignorance concerning the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat? Perhaps. But there is no telling how much else will be burned away along with it.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/robert-spencer/the-u-s-the-u-k-and-canada-in-jihad-denial/

A former senior government adviser on tackling radicalisation and extremism has defended the right of British Muslims to travel to Syria and fight.

Farooq Siddiqui, a former regional manager for the government's controversial Prevent strategy, said it was acceptable for Britons to "walk the walk" and travel to Syria to fight the forces of President Bashar al-Assad.

As part of a Facebook conversation Siddiqui, 45, defended the right of an individual to be called a martyr if he took up arms against Assad, and questioned whether those who fought against the Syrian president should face arrest upon return to the UK.

Former senior intelligence officials consider jihadists battling Assad's government forces in Syria to be a potential threat. They estimate that up to 300 fighters have already returned to the UK from Syria. Scotland Yard has warned that Britain will live with the terror legacy of the Syrian conflict for years to come.

The foreign secretary, William Hague, believes as many as 400 British citizens may be fighting in Syria, recently confirming that security measures are in place such as the option of withdrawing leave to remain, cancelling passports and arresting UK jihadists who have been fighting in Syria or for terrorist group Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis), which has seized control of swaths of northern Iraq.

Siddiqui, who ran Prevent in the south-west until 2012, pointed out that Britons were free to join the Israeli Defence Force and return to the UK without censure, while those taking up arms against what they viewed as a tyrannical dictator, Assad, faced arrest. He says he knew "nothing about" Isis at the time of the online conversation in February. He does not support the group.

Before generating headlines after sweeping into Iraq, Isis had been operating independently of other jihadist groups in Syria, including the al-Nusra Front, the official al-Qaida affiliate in the country, and has been involved in widespread infighting with other rebel groups.

Some Syrian rebels opposed to Isis point to instances of apparent hesitation by Assad's forces about attacking the group as evidence of tacit co-operation with the regime to undermine other rebel groups.

Writing on Facebook, in reference to the situation inside Syria, Siddiqui said: "If a man describes himself as wanting to help the oppressed and dies, in that case he is a martyr."

Referring to an individual prepared to travel and stand up for his beliefs, Siddiqui adds: "I'd rather take his word for it because he walked the walk and isn't sat behind a keyboard like me."

An Isis recruitment video showing three Britons – Reyaad Khan with school friend Nasser Muthana, from Cardiff, and a third man named as Abdul Raqib Amin, from Aberdeen – has fuelled anxieties over the radicalisation of Muslim youths in Britain as a result of the Syrian civil war.

Siddiqui told the Observer that he would be happy to endorse security measures on combatants if they applied to others returning from fighting abroad, not just Muslims. "As for people fighting in Syria, if they go with the intention to defend the civilian population from a dictator – a population we have abandoned – I accept their conviction until proven otherwise."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/28/british-jidahis-syria-defended

Christian occupational therapist suspended after praying for Muslim colleague

A Christian therapist claims she is a casualty of a subconscious culture of NHS hostility towards Christianity after being suspended for praying for a Muslim employee who encouraged her to talk about her faith.

Victoria Wasteney, Head of Occupational Therapy at the East London NHS trust, is appealing against her suspension and severe reprimand on grounds of religious discrimination and harassment.

"I fear I may have been entrapped by a colleague who encouraged me to discuss my faith, who willingly agreed that I could pray for her and who even accepted an invitation to a church charity event," says Miss Wasteney who led a team of 30 before she was summarily suspended for nine months following a complaint to the Trust by a junior Muslim co-worker.

On June 13, 2013, a complaint was made against Miss Wasteney by a newly-qualified Muslim colleague and the next day she was called before the Associate Director of Therapies when she was immediately suspended pending an investigation. A Disciplinary Tribunal later found her culpable of a) giving a Christian book ‘I dared to call him Father’ – the story of a Muslim girl converting to Christianity to the Complainant; b) placing her hand on the colleague’s knee whilst she prayed for her; and c) inviting the Complainant to her Church's charity events. At the Tribunal the complainant did not give oral evidence which could be challenged.

"I've had an unblemished 15 year career and suddenly I am confronted with vague and unclear complaints by the Associate Director. I didn't receive a written complaint until four months later. Now my file shows a nine-month suspension and a Final Written Warning for simply responding in a loving and compassionate way to a young colleague who seemed genuinely interested in talking about my faith as a Christian," she says.

"For nine months I was made to feel I was a danger to my colleagues and the public despite no evidence of wrong-doing. I had email evidence clearly showing the Complainant wanted to come to my charity church event and I only put my hand on her knee in friendship after asking her permission while I prayed for her," says Miss Wasteney.

She believes the Trust took a one-sided, politically correct decision to punish her despite the fact that the Complainant had initiated discussions about faith and had never complained to her personally. "I would have stopped praying immediately if I had thought I was distressing her in any way but faith was openly discussed and encouraged and welcomed by the Complainant."

Victoria Wasteney says Christian groups are required to fit around managerial arrangements in the Trust whereas, by contrast, joint staff and service-user Muslim fellowship meetings are always facilitated, regardless of any staffing issues.

"There is undoubtedly a pattern of inequality of treatment of Christians and Muslims in the NHS. Regardless of allocated break times, Muslim staff can pray five times a day, which I am not objecting to, but Christians are often denied time off on Sundays or permission to take breaks during their lunchtime for prayer or religious worship. However, I never expected to be persecuted by the very Trust I have been dedicated to over the past seven years."

Miss Wasteney is bringing her appeal under the Equality Act 2010 for discrimination and harassment on grounds of religion or belief. She is supported in her Appeal by the Christian Legal Centre, which has instructed the leading Human Rights barrister, Paul Diamond, to represent her.

Andrea Williams, Chief Executive of the Christian Legal Centre commented “The NHS was founded and inspired by Christian principles and precepts. Such heritage meant that the NHS was a model of how to deliver health care across the world; a place of safety, care, freedom and flourishing with a staff inspired by their chosen career. Sadly, this case, along with others, demonstrates that today’s climate in the NHS is increasingly dominated by a suffocating liberal agenda that chooses to bend over backwards to accommodate certain beliefs but punishes the Christian”.

http://www.christianconcern.com/press-release/christian-occupational-therapist-suspended-after-praying-for-Muslim-colleague

i doubt all the anti Christian crowd will be rushing into condemn this

What people should take note of is that Smelly is c. & p. articles in papers and mags, so I think it unfair to castigate him in the belief they are all his thoughts and words, although, as we know and some of us agree with, he can and does criticize various aspects of Islam and Moslems here in England.

We shouldn' brush the negative side of migrant and Moslem behaviour under the carpet. The more we do that the the eventual greater problem, possibly ending in excessive violence.

Stardesk, sorry love, but I can remember a time when you didn't dare go out on a Saturday afternoon in London because of football gangs and all the stabbings that went on.