Chairman Of Muslim Forum Agrees With BigAndy9 - "This Is The Tip Of The Iceberg"

[Guest]

11th June 2014

So is he a RACIST BIGOT?

Is he trying to stir up trouble?


As chairman of the Muslim Forum, a think-tank on Islamic issues, and a long-standing community activist in the East Midlands, I have warned for more than a decade about the insidious spread of radicalism through our civic institutions.

Ten years ago almost to the day, I wrote in this newspaper about the dangers of giving into the demands made by a self-appointed group of Muslim academics and ‘community activists’ who complained of Islamophobia in our education system.

They demanded state funding for separate Muslim schools and insisted on substantial changes in the culture, teaching methods and even curriculum of mainstream state schools to accommodate the special needs, ‘real and imaginary’, of Muslim pupils.

Where bigotry existed, I said, it should be fought as vigorously as possible. I also warned that to accede to all the demands in their report would create only division and disharmony.

Yet in the years since then, there has been concession after concession as a small minority of Muslim hardliners have aggressively exploited the British tradition of tolerance in pursuit of their own agenda in our education system.

Filled with misogyny and bigotry, the radicals’ approach is the very opposite of the world of social cohesion that our political leaders claim to be striving for.

Indeed, it is precisely because our politicians and bureaucrats — from local education authorities to the Cabinet — have been in denial about the problem until recently that the extremist brand of Islam has been allowed to take root in our schools.

Terrified of accusations of racism, obsessed with the official state creed of diversity, our political class has wilfully turned a blind eye to the dangerous fundamentalism in our midst.

The failure to stand up to extremism in state schools exactly matches the disgraceful reluctance for much of the past two decades to tackle hate-preachers such as Abu Hamza, who was treated with kid gloves by the security services before he was finally extradited to the U.S.

The lavish welfare benefits given to Hamza’s family have their equivalence in the taxpayers’ funding for Birmingham schools run by Islamic extremists.

There have been other factors behind the radicals’ success.





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2654598/I-fear-Islamic-extremism-schools-just-tip-iceberg-By-MANZOOR-MOGHAL-chairman-Muslim-Forum-warned-10-years-ago-Mail-militants-targeting-schools.html#ixzz34KEbDXzA

[Tommy Monk]

Straight from the horses mouth....




And sounds bang on the money to me!




Well said that man!!!

[Guest]

But others were saying it even before him.

Why do some clap hands when it is "one of them"?

Crikey, next we'll have BigFatMama saying "yes there are some bad eggs" and some on here will cream themselves.

[Ben Reilly]

But others were saying it even before him.

Why do some clap hands when it is "one of them"?

Crikey, next we'll have BigFatMama saying "yes there are some bad eggs" and some on here will cream themselves.

Why do you have such a problem with Sexy Mama?

[Tommy Monk]

I know Andy, everyone else was a racist for telling the truth......
The progressives will shout down anyone who dares question their agenda with SIXHIRB.
The truth must be wrong because the truth is not (politically) correct.
I think it is just relief that someone who can't be silenced with SIXHIRB has said what we all know and have been saying.
Just shows how out of control this leftie progressive pc madness has become, infecting all like a disease.

[Fred]

I was reading that in Iraq mass beheadings are going on. This from the religion of peace. If the left had their way and idiots like Didge who actually deny there is a problem we shall be having mass beheadngs at some point in the future.

Is that an extrapolation too far. Well consider this if the extremists are that well organised they are taking over schools and poisoning the minds of young Muslims just how long before we are mass producing would be suicide bombers much defended by lunatics like Sassy.

It is a credit to this bloke who can recognise a fault I his own community pity left wing liberal appeasers can't.

[Guest]

But others were saying it even before him.

Why do some clap hands when it is "one of them"?

Crikey, next we'll have BigFatMama saying "yes there are some bad eggs" and some on here will cream themselves.

It's bad enough the amount of racist crap you spew Andy, but to get personal with SM almost continually and after so long is nonsense , what has she done to you Andy?

Fcuking leave the lassie alone man.

[Guest]

But others were saying it even before him.

Why do some clap hands when it is "one of them"?

Crikey, next we'll have BigFatMama saying "yes there are some bad eggs" and some on here will cream themselves.

Why do you have such a problem with Sexy Mama?

She's non white Ben..and a Muslim.

[Ben Reilly]

But others were saying it even before him.

Why do some clap hands when it is "one of them"?

Crikey, next we'll have BigFatMama saying "yes there are some bad eggs" and some on here will cream themselves.

Why do you have such a problem with Sexy Mama?

She's non white Ben..and  a Muslim.

Seems like there's more than that, though ...   

[Guest]

She's non white Ben..and  a Muslim.

Seems like there's more than that, though ...   

You know Ben, I used to have a higher opinion of Andy, but the truth is he hates Muslims and non whites full stop,,,and showed me the other week what he is capable of really stooping too...

He hates people on benefits with a fury and just classes them all the same, and he's apparently a physician too, and knows more than other specialists on varying conditions....in fact, he says those conditions are all take and don't exist.

That's just how ridiculous it gets.

[Guest]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

[Ben Reilly]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

BA was the first to attack a poster in this thread, someone who hadn't even commented.

You need to work out your anger issues, friend, they're going to give you heart disease.

[Guest]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

BA was the first to attack a poster in this thread, someone who hadn't even commented.





You need to work out your anger issues, friend, they're going to give you heart disease.

still no comment about the post though...

[Ben Reilly]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

BA was the first to attack a poster in this thread, someone who hadn't even commented.





You need to work out your anger issues, friend, they're going to give you heart disease.

still no comment about the post though...

So?

[Guest]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

Look Victor, why the need for him to insult SM? ...if she had done something to Andy,i might just get It a bit, but I don't , he could have posted the usual Muslim stuff without saying that about SM, and I suggest you take the advice of Ben, you've really changed Victor...

Unless of course the now only letting your views be known...

You might be content to watch SM get this treatment for no reason, but I'm not, ok.


SM is always brought up when Muslims are being targeted.

[Guest]

quote
"Yet in the years since then, there has been concession after concession as a small minority of Muslim hardliners have aggressively exploited the British tradition of tolerance in pursuit of their own agenda in our education system.

Filled with misogyny and bigotry, the radicals’ approach is the very opposite of the world of social cohesion that our political leaders claim to be striving for.

Indeed, it is precisely because our politicians and bureaucrats — from local education authorities to the Cabinet — have been in denial about the problem until recently that the extremist brand of Islam has been allowed to take root in our schools.

Terrified of accusations of racism, obsessed with the official state creed of diversity, our political class has wilfully turned a blind eye to the dangerous fundamentalism in our midst.

The failure to stand up to extremism in state schools exactly matches the disgraceful reluctance for much of the past two decades to tackle hate-preachers such as Abu Hamza, who was treated with kid gloves by the security services before he was finally extradited to the U.S."
unquote


As I said...spineless lilly livered and running scared....

scared of "what others might think" instead of being concerned at whats been quietly but quite visibly going on
scared of what their "comrades" would think if they made a stand on things
scared of the E.U
scared to death of their own shadow..

and now we see....

increasing evifdence of "radical islam" at work in the UK....no real idea of the extent
increasing far right reaction and a drift in attitude amongst the general population

OH what a lovely mix you have created....


like i have said..if there IS EVER serious trouble from either far right or radical islam....

the blame will lie squarely in the progressives lap...

THAT...is in arguable, simply because
they have ignored and indeed cultivated and tolerated the elements of radical islam
and
by doing so have sown the seeds of sympathy for hard far right extremism......

[Tommy Monk]

He didn't insult her as such, just said if she popped up admitting there were a few bad eggs you lefties would be clapping her for it.
Similar to this man in op getting applauded for just repeating what others have said all along but were condemned for.
But now he, a Muslim has said it, somehow it needs commending....
I've said what I think previously about op, this is justtam irrelevant side issue really.

[Guest]

He didn't insult her as such, just said if she popped up admitting there were a few bad eggs you lefties would be clapping her for it.
Similar to this man in op getting applauded for just repeating what others have said all along but were condemned for.
But now he, a Muslim has said it, somehow it needs commending....
I've said what I think previously about op, this is justtam irrelevant side issue really.

But one man's views doesn't meant what he is saying is necessarily is right or true thought Tommy, and any other time according to Andy ..all Muslims are bad and evil and we shouldn't listen to or believe them...

So just because this guy says something that fits in with Andy's extreme RW views, that makes it right?

[Guest]

@ JD

firstly I am certain that SM is all to well aware of these comments by now
secondly i am equally certain she treats em with the contempt they deserve

I am also very certain the she is quite aware the BA is a R/w racist tit
I am also totally certain that BA knows I think he is a R/W racist tit
and I am equally totally certain the BA doesnt give a flying f**k that I think he is a R/W racist tit...

so instead of beating up an obscuring froth over irrelevant side issues...hows about answering the post?

and other commentary on it?

I know its probaly stunned you lefties into mind numbing silence, but......

[Guest]

He didn't insult her as such, just said if she popped up admitting there were a few bad eggs you lefties would be clapping her for it.
Similar to this man in op getting applauded for just repeating what others have said all along but were condemned for.
But now he, a Muslim has said it, somehow it needs commending....
I've said what I think previously about op, this is justtam irrelevant side issue really.

But one man's views doesn't meant what he is saying is necessarily is right or true  thought Tommy, and any other time according to Andy ..all Muslims are bad and evil and we shouldn't listen to or believe them...

So just because this guy says something that fits in with Andy's extreme RW views, that makes it right?

cop out....cop out.....so you are saying thios guy is a racist R/W nut job too???

[Guest]

This is the Manzoor Moghal who wrote IDI AMIN, LION OF AFRICA we are talking about, which made out Idi Amin was a good bloke?

[Guest]

But one man's views doesn't meant what he is saying is necessarily is right or true  thought Tommy, and any other time according to Andy ..all Muslims are bad and evil and we shouldn't listen to or believe them...

So just because this guy says something that fits in with Andy's extreme RW views, that makes it right?

cop out....cop out.....so you are saying thios guy is a racist R/W nut job too???

What is going on Victor?

Where did I say that guy was a racist?...but BA is though..that's no secret.


Not a cop out at all..BA is using the opinions of what one Muslim guy said in an effort to make out he is right all along in his stance on Muslims and immigration, and further using it as the guy is Muslim.

[Guest]

cop out....cop out.....so you are saying thios guy is a racist R/W nut job too???

What is going on Victor?

Where did I say that guy was a racist?...but BA is though..that's no secret.


Not a cop out at all..BA is using the opinions of what one Muslim guy said in an effort to make out he is right all along in his stance on Muslims and immigration, and further using it as the guy is Muslim.

funny that J.D.....how you diminish the actions of so many other "not so good" radicals....with "its only a few" (as you say this is "only one")

you lefties are a real mess ...dont know your arse from yer elbow...

cant even formulate what exactly it is that you want for a society....just some nebulous, airy fairy, hippy minded grey amorphous mess, with no direction or identity....

you know this guy is right....you just dont like the possibility because it conflicts with all your ideas and precious held ideals....

[Guest]

OH and BA....is NOT "making anything out of it"....he has just posted the article...despite the title...(but then we know BA's titles are...well.....inventive)

[Guest]

Reposting to see if anyone knows:

This is the Manzoor Moghal who wrote IDI AMIN, LION OF AFRICA we are talking about, which made out Idi Amin was a good bloke?


Because anyone who thinks Idi Amin was a good bloke isn't someone who's opinion I'd rely on.

[Guest]

What is going on Victor?

Where did I say that guy was a racist?...but BA is though..that's no secret.


Not a cop out at all..BA is using the opinions of what one Muslim guy said in an effort to make out he is right all along in his stance on Muslims and immigration, and further using it as the guy is Muslim.

funny that J.D.....how you diminish the actions of so many other "not so good" radicals....with "its only a few"  (as you say this is "only one")

you lefties are a real mess ...dont know your arse from yer elbow...

cant even formulate what exactly it is that you want for a society....just some nebulous, airy fairy, hippy minded grey amorphous mess, with no direction or identity....

you know this guy is right....you just dont like the possibility because it conflicts with all your ideas and precious held ideals....

But the government are not bowing to every hardliner Muslim's demands Victor, yes there has been the scandal over teachings in schools and some do demand a change in how things are done...and I even understand some tip toe around with incase they are branded a racist,,,but these issues are not mass scale, people hype it up to be more than it is...

There are investigations going on regards to school teachings etc are there not?

You see a Victor, if we are too quick to believe everything is as bad as made out to be, then we are no better than these hardliner fools....
Who I must remind you...are in the minority.

People thrive on things like this Victor, and I can't think of any huge changes made to suit hardliners and change our way of life.

[Ben Reilly]

OH and BA....is NOT "making anything out of it"....he has just posted the article...despite the title...(but then we know BA's titles are...well.....inventive)

I always picture him traveling all over the UK to give his testimony to all these important people  ::D:: 

[Guest]

OH and BA....is NOT "making anything out of it"....he has just posted the article...despite the title...(but then we know BA's titles are...well.....inventive)

I always picture him traveling all over the UK to give his testimony to all these important people  ::D:: 

You do, I imagine him standing in bars lecturing to the unimpressed and they all clap when he leaves    

[Tommy Monk]

See the lefties still diverting from op and avoiding what is being said, and why so many others have and would still be condemned by them for saying the same.....

[Tommy Monk]

See the lefties still diverting from op and avoiding what is being said, and why so many others have and would still be condemned by them for saying the same.....

[Guest]

No Tommy, I'm waiting for an answer to this:

Reposting to see if anyone knows:

This is the Manzoor Moghal who wrote IDI AMIN, LION OF AFRICA we are talking about, which made out Idi Amin was a good bloke?


Because anyone who thinks Idi Amin was a good bloke isn't someone who's opinion I'd rely on.

[Guest]

Aye...the word of one man and everything is exaggerated and blown up as usual Tommy.

Andy usually hates Muslims and never listens to their voices, but seeing as this guy is a Muslim...Andy must be so right,,


Of only you, Andy and others can hear the cries from many Muslim and other immigrants saying,,,,

" please don't persecute us or tar us all with the same brush and wish for our deportation,even though most of us pay our own way"

[Tommy Monk]

You lefties love your waffle don't you!?




Here's a review of THe book by the independent....


This extended profile of Uganda’s former president, the late Idi Amin Dada, by an Asian who knew him intimately continues to fascinate the world, according to recent reviews in media around the world.
Part of the fascination appears to be its break from the conventional portrayal. It shatters myths.
Manzoor reveals truths that many have possibly known but been afraid to delve into. Others have merely been comfortable with the depiction of Amin as an unintelligent, blood-thirsty buffoon.
Without denying the beast in the man, Manzoor shows Amin to be a cunning politician who survived for eight years in power by taking bold decisions, building opportunistic alliances, and ruthlessly crushing opponents.
Most reviewers believe Manzoor narrative because he interacted with Amin at many levels as a leader of the Asian community in Uganda, a Muslim colleague, and later a victim.
Manzoor says he wrote the book because “the world needs to hear the true story about the former President of Uganda.”
“I went through the experiences of being there and I know exactly how it all happened. I had a political profile that was quite prominent and had experience of this man who was quite unpredictable,” Mazoor writes.
“So much was written about Amin at the time and afterwards that was not a true depiction of his character. He was seen by many as a buffoon and going mad, but I wanted to put history right.
“I knew Amin from the very start and mainly just as a fellow Muslim. We chatted freely and he was always extremely friendly. But if he saw you as an enemy he would still be friendly but then his answer would be to have you eliminated. He used it very successfully.
“Initially he was welcomed by the whole nation and seen as a saviour. But he was a very dangerous and cunning man. He knew at all times what he wanted and would get it no matter what happened. He had his henchmen who would carry out his work and he did kill many people.”
The book builds a powerful narrative of pre- and post-independence Uganda, and the circumstances of the collapse of Sir Edward Mutesa’s government and the Milton Obote I regimes which he blames on “their lack of respect for the status quo in a country that had for many years existed as a number of kingdoms”.
It analyses how Amin’s alliance with Buganda kingdom sustained him in the early days of his reign when he retrieved Kabaka Edward Mutesa II from Britain for proper burial in Kampala.
When he came into power after having engineered a military coup against Obote, the nemesis of Britain, he was the darling of the West. But when he began to make demands on Britain to discharge its aid commitments to Uganda, the British chose to ridicule him for his ‘buffoonery’.
He turned to Libya for his immediate financial needs and Israelis became the first group he forced to leave Uganda.
Amin was uneducated but he was deeply cunning and calculating. With his effusive charm and outward affability he was able to disarm his enemies and then catch them unawares. Though he ran his administration with the help of the elite civil servants of the country it was by his animal instincts that he kept himself in power.
As internal economic problems grew, he made scapegoats of the Asians of Uganda, blaming them for all the ills of the country.
In 1971, Amin invited Asian representatives to the first ever national Asian Conference where they all pledged loyalty to him; but he used the opportunity to project his view that they were taking over Ugandan business to the extent that African Ugandans were unable to compete. He also criticised them for remaining aloof from the African population, asserting that Asian girls would get into trouble with their families if intermarriage occurred.
In August 1972 Amin told the Asian community that they had 90 days to leave. Over 40,000 of them were still British citizens and Britain complained that it could not take all of them.
The Ugandan and British governments forced the Asians to go through days of paperwork, queuing and form filling before they were allowed to leave Uganda and fly to Britain. It was a bleak time and Manzoor describes some of the atrocities that were committed. “The spectacle of Asian women and young girls being teased, taunted and molested by his (Amin’s) African officers seemed to give him particular pleasure.”
Manzoor, who works in Leicester as a financial consultant, was leading a delegation to Amin when he learnt that he was on his hit list. He fled in the middle of the night and went to Frankfurt, Germany.
Amin succeeded in reducing the Asian population to virtually nothing but he had not considered the effect this would have on Uganda’s economy. He relied on his alliance with Libya for troops and money and when Uganda was invaded by Tanzania in 1979 most of these troops ran away, leaving Amin powerless. He had made the mistake of trying to take land from a country with a bigger and more cohesive military than his own and this was the eventual reason for him having to step down from power and flee.

http://www.independent.co.ug/society/book-review/3986-idi-amin-without-the-myth



And another review here.....


This new book on the devastating Amin tyranny of 1971-1979 stands out among the library of Amin’s rule in that it focuses specifically  on the relationship between the late Ugandan despot and the Ugandan Asians in the early 1970s.
For most people in the West Amin was a brutal tyrant whose henchmen sent thousands of Ugandans into early death or despicable exile. Yet, according to the author who hobnobbed with Amin even before he overthrew Milton Obote in 1971, Amin was more a complex character, p.5-6. The author contends that Amin might have been dull and lacklustre before he seized power, but in the eight long years he ruled, he underwent a complete personal metamorphoses, which endeared him to not a few of his fellow African leaders. Indeed, this is why in 1975, he was asked to host and chair the OAU summit despite the terrible violations that he was wreaking on his people.
The author was a well known Ugandan Asian prior to Amin’s rise to power. He contends that when Amin seized power, many Ugandans, especially the business minded Asians were happy because Obote was an inchoate socialist whose policies as poorly enunciated in the ‘Common Man’s Charter’ of 1967, affected the Asians, and many other Ugandans, p.26.
However, as the months rolled on Amin’s disastrous policies began to destroy the economy and soonhe had to find scapegoat for this: The Asians. In late 1972, Amin expelled the Asians from Uganda, and distributed their shops and factories to Africans. The wise Asians must have seen this coming, because as early as 1971, Amin had ordered a head count of all Asians in Uganda, p.83, and the business they owned. This was followed by a General Conference of Asians in Uganda which Amin attended and at which the Asians in Uganda lavished praises on him, p.84. Yet, when he spoke at the Conference he insulted them and accused the Asians of economic crimes. The author attest that Amin had called this conference to test the unity of the Asian community and to discredit the community openly, p.89.
By expelling the Asians, Amin said he was giving back economic power to Africans. He shared the shops, factories, cars of the expelled Asians to his henchmen and cronies. Yet, the fate of the Asians was the befall other categories of people such as the Israelis who were also expelled, and the British. Worst, Amin then turned his anger towards his fellow Africans: thousands of them perished in jails and torture camps in Uganda. Indeed,  by the time of his fall in February 1979, thousands of Ugandans had died under his brutal rule, and Uganda was to know instability for another two decade.
This book is an excellent read for any one interested in Amin’s personae, his regime and its many shameful excesses.


http://thepoint.gm/africa/gambia/article/idi-amin-lion-of-africa





So hardly praising him at all!!!!




However, enough about what he was saying about a totally different subject..... what about what he is saying now in op...!!!???

[Guest]

Any excuse to dismiss an uncomfortable truth.....

[Guest]

That's a phrase, have you actually read the book, I have, and he downplays like mad the really terrible, terrible things Amin did, because up to the time Amin got totally out of control, he was a mate of his.

[Guest]

Any excuse to dismiss an uncomfortable truth.....

Nope, I think if something is going on then they have to do something about it, but I'm not sure at the moment just how much is fact and how much is conjecture, so I'm waiting to see. But this fella is someone who's opinion I would take with a pinch of salt.

[Guest]

funny that J.D.....how you diminish the actions of so many other "not so good" radicals....with "its only a few"  (as you say this is "only one")

you lefties are a real mess ...dont know your arse from yer elbow...

cant even formulate what exactly it is that you want for a society....just some nebulous, airy fairy, hippy minded grey amorphous mess, with no direction or identity....

you know this guy is right....you just dont like the possibility because it conflicts with all your ideas and precious held ideals....

But the government are not bowing to every hardliner Muslim's demands Victor, yes there has been the scandal over teachings in schools and some do demand a change in how things are done...and I even understand some tip toe around with incase they are branded a racist,,,but  these issues are not mass scale, people hype it up to be more than it is...

There are investigations going on regards to school teachings etc are there not?

You see a Victor, if we are too quick to believe everything is as bad as made out to be, then we are no better than these hardliner fools....
Who I must remind you...are in the minority.

People thrive on things like this Victor, and I can't think of any huge changes made to suit hardliners and change our way of life.

you surely cant have missed the wilful "ignoring" of those asian "grooming gangs" that Nick Griffin (despite his other failings) alerted the police to 10 YEARS before anything was done, and who was threatened with "racial crimes" for doing so???
you surely cant have missed the "tolerance" shown to those vile creatures protesting at brize Norton a while back, allowed to burn poppies etc...whist if WE were to burn a koran...oh dear.....
You Surely cant have missed Choudrey and co harrasing and frightening christmas shoppers but "tolerated " (despite there being several public order offences comitted) yet a few EDL idiots doing much the same at a mosque were immediately the subject of police activity....

no no changes to suit the hard liners ...none at all....

thats not to mention the other more subtle but non the less important "concessions "made to suit these people.....

no ...no changes to suit them at all......

[Tommy Monk]

Still waffling Sassy.....!?



Not what the book reviews said at all.



But regardless of what he said about a totally different topic..... what about the points he raised in op???

[Guest]

and along comes JD and proves tommy right ...again...the lefties favourite trick...

a post they cant deal with so we will attack the poster instead...

WHAT ABOUT the content...

whats to be said about this guy from the muslin community thats is "saying it as it is"

who's saying that all along YOU lot have been wrong, nothing but spineless appeasers. That you have sown the seeds of horrors to come, with your lilly livered water weak ways...

Didge talks of "fear arguments" and "fear association (as if it actually exists outside of the lefty newspeak) It would seem that its the lefty who is motivated by fear...

You are joking right??

The left see what they want and no more

A lefty could be bound and about to be beheaded by a Muslim reading the qur'an and openly stating "I kill you because of Islam"

And the lefty will still be telling the Muslim that he is wrong and Islam is a peaceful religion and that it's the RW who forced him to do it

The more overwhelming the evidence the more the left ignore it

[Guest]

Why always me, eh Eli?

[Guest]

Reposting to see if anyone knows:

This is the Manzoor Moghal who wrote IDI AMIN, LION OF AFRICA we are talking about, which made out Idi Amin was a good bloke?


Because anyone who thinks Idi Amin was a good bloke isn't someone who's opinion I'd rely on.

Morning Sassy - the only person who's actually addressed the thread matter, not just abused posters!

As to your comment above, in actual fact he didn't 'make out Amin was a good bloke' at all!

Idi Amin was no fool. Despite the numerous caricatures as a lunatic murderer he was a towering figure both in Uganda and the African continent, and he outwitted all his opponents until his downfall. When he came into power after having engineered a military coup to overthrow President Milton Obote, the nemesis of Britain, he was the darling of the West. He was lavishly praised for his bravery in ridding Uganda of a dictator who had increasingly become a thorn in Britain's side...

He was an uneducated man, but he was deeply cunning and calculating. With his effusive charm and outward affability he was able to disarm his enemies and then catch them unawares. Though he ran his administration with the help of the elite civil servants of the country it was by his animal instincts that he kept himself in power. As internal economic problems grew, he made scapegoats of the Asians of Uganda, blaming them for all the ills of the country. In a masterstroke he succeeded in expelling the Asian community from Uganda in 1972 without any serious repercussions from the West. He wrested away the economy of Uganda from the hands of the Asians and put it into the lap of the Africans of his country, who loved him for this and his other exploits in a way that can only be compared to the way Germans had once loved Hitler...

http://www.amazon.com/Idi-Amin-Africa-Manzoor-Moghal/dp/144903974X

So his book is about Amin's cunning and cleverness in outwitting the West, not that he was a good man! Anyway, back to the subject, are you saying you disagree with what Mansoor has said in the OP?

[Guest]

I've actually read the book Tess, and I felt that he glossed over some of Amin's atrocities because he was actually a cohort of his before Amin turned on the Asians. Consequently, I don't his judgement.

I said on the other thread, if there is a problem then of course we have to deal with it, so I'm would like to look at all the evidence rather than take the word of this man. In principle I don't agree with religious schools, whether they are that because they have been 'taken over' or whether they are allowed. I was children given an education, and apart from teaching them about different cultures and religions, I don't want the religions involved in any other way. Therefore, I certainly don't like the practices that seem to have been going on in these schools and think a strong hand is needed to put them back on track.

[Fred]

Personally I think only complete idiots would believe otherwise with recent revelations. Why wouldn't militant Islam seek to infiltrate its views in schools?

What really offends my sensibilities is Liberals defending the rights of Muslims to subjugate the educational rights of girls. That is appalling.

It is appalling in Muslim countries that the lefties seek to defend/deny these practices here beggars belief.

Still the lefts ability to reconcile completely illogical and competing views has often amazed me.

[Tommy Monk]

Denial is a mental illness....

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