Financial hardship can make people more racist, scientists claim

That makes sense.

I would say financial inequality though.

When a group sees another get preferential treatment.

BigAndy9 wrote:That makes sense.

I would say financial inequality though.

When a group sees another get preferential treatment.

As I keep saying this is why you see a rise in support for parties that are far right or UKIP, people are more susceptible to fear arguments during times of hardship after recessions. History shows this all the time.

Didge wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:That makes sense.

I would say financial inequality though.

When a group sees another get preferential treatment.

As I keep saying this is why you see a rise in support for parties that are far right or UKIP, people are more susceptible to fear arguments during times of hardship after recessions. History shows this all the time.

Well i disagree about the fear part Didge.

If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Didge wrote:



As I keep saying this is why you see a rise in support for parties that are far right or UKIP, people are more susceptible to fear arguments during times of hardship after recessions. History shows this all the time.

Well i disagree about the fear part Didge.

If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.

Really?

Lets take a look at the evidence from UKIP

A fear promoted about immigration, a fear of taking jobs for example, a fear we are going to be inundated with Romanians and Bulgarians and fear that you would not want to live next door to a Romanian etc .

A fear promoted about the EU.

These and many others play upon fears people have, in fact they manipulate them to garner maximum affect from people susceptible to fear, who thus then look to blame others, where we see many immigrants blamed when most come here work hard, pay taxes and have come for a new life, yet are blamed with fear promoted and this is played upon countless times as seen. 

Thus people are susceptible to poor fear arguments an in times of hardship as seen by this report and history, people look not to their own problems to resolve but look to blame others.

If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.


Do you agree with the above Didge?

BigAndy9 wrote:If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.


Do you agree with the above Didge?

Which proves my point you are so easily susceptible to fear arguments, that is obvious daily from what you post. The fact is many people come here and do not commit crimes, the vast majority work, pay taxes, but because some people come to this country and do commit crimes or do not integrate, people like you manipulate this to then make a poor fear argument to castigate them, you think it is acceptable, as seen it is not and also poor and playing upon poor prejudice.
Thus it is people like you making problems worse by promoting poor fear arguments, playing up to an already susceptible group of people who are seeking to look to blame others for their own problems in many cases. 

You see you are even trying to offer a fear argument to me above highlighted.

I rest my case

BigAndy9 wrote:If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.


Do you agree with the above Didge?

Who apart from the wealthy, who gets preferential treatment Andy?

You are rather angry often with the countless threads targetti Muslims and coloured folk.

Joy Division wrote:

BigAndy9 wrote:If people see and believe there is preferential treatment for other groups, they will dislike those groups.

If people believe other groups are bringing/causing problems, they will dislike those groups.

I'll give you a clue - other groups are getting preferential treatment and they are bringing/causing problems.


Do you agree with the above Didge?

Who apart from the wealthy, who gets preferential treatment Andy?

You are rather angry often with the countless threads targetti Muslims and coloured folk.

Housing JD?

Are the wealthy waiting for social housing?

Schools JD - who is at the top of the list for schools?

Who gets crisis loans JD - the wealthy? Our pensioners?

Who gets more than our pensioners JD? Foreigners do JD.

The wealthy are only affected in a good way by foreigners JD - hence why your masters keep on bringing them in - to keep fools like you in your place!

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


Who apart from the wealthy, who gets preferential treatment Andy?

You are rather angry often with the countless threads targetti Muslims and coloured folk.

Housing JD?

Are the wealthy waiting for social housing?

Schools JD - who is at the top of the list for schools?

Who gets crisis loans JD - the wealthy?  Our pensioners?

Who gets more than our pensioners JD?  Foreigners do JD.

The wealthy are only affected in a good way by foreigners JD - hence why your masters keep on bringing them in - to keep fools like you in your place!

Misleading and also very false, showing and proving again Andy is led by poor misleading fear arguments.

Yes some foreigners do get benefits, many work and why many come here because they can get work, the actual amount on benefit tourism is small to say the least and actually there are now measures to stop any of the small amount there was.

So again you prove how easily you are led by fear and also do not even look at the facts.

BigAndy9 wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


Who apart from the wealthy, who gets preferential treatment Andy?

You are rather angry often with the countless threads targetti Muslims and coloured folk.

Housing JD?

Are the wealthy waiting for social housing?

Schools JD - who is at the top of the list for schools?

Who gets crisis loans JD - the wealthy?  Our pensioners?

Who gets more than our pensioners JD?  Foreigners do JD.

The wealthy are only affected in a good way by foreigners JD - hence why your masters keep on bringing them in - to keep fools like you in your place!

Look Andy ..how many times?....Thatcher began selling off council housing stock (around two million houses)

Are the wealthy in need of council housing Andy?-No.

You begrudge people in need of a crisis loan money?-sad..yes some abuse it, but you tar everybody like that.

Who is at the top of the list for schools Andy?-the wealthy can afford to privately educate their kids, or they can send them to state schools,..they have a choice.

Pensioners...it's a pretty crap state pension really.


And my place does me just fine Andy, you know...I've workerd some of the crappiest jobs to help pay for what I have now, and I'm chuffed,


Your problem is Andy...lies, fear and hate...you see the worst in everyone unemployed, disabled, coloured , or immigrants.

And it creates a hideous picture of your personality and outlook on many things.

The only master I have is my wife btw  

Firstly...Its an AMERICAN study...and they are all nuts over there

secondly

when an inconvenient social truth bites...invent a psychobabble "explanation " for it and make the ones feeling it the "problem", in other words, contrary to JD's idiotic signature the reverse is true...its the LEFT that blame victims...

more lefty "propaganda"

oh and on the subject of balming victims...it IS most deffo the left that blames victims....(unless its an industrial accident) get robbed...its your fault we aint gonna lock the b'stards up...YOU should be insured
got beaten up?...its YOUR fault for going out...

got a burglar...dont you DARE touch him......

all "lefty" policies...It took a tory govt to remove the burglars impunity
and give us back the RIGHT od self defense...and even they havnt gone far enough.....

Well if true, all those foreigners who make up the majority of The so called poor and deprived areas in this country must be really racist!!!

Tommy Monk wrote:Well if true, all those foreigners who make up the majority of The so called poor and deprived areas in this country must be really racist!!!

Excellent point Tommy.

I do believe didge is always preaching that da blacks and foreigners are deprived (and they're always telling us that fact very loudly), hard done by, destitute.

Maybe that explains why they hate us and want to kill us all eh?

Yeah all The highly skilled, hard working and well needed immigrants all seem to be poor and disadvantaged.....



Funny that!!!

victorisnotamused wrote:Firstly...Its an AMERICAN study...and they are all nuts over there

secondly

when an inconvenient social truth bites...invent a psychobabble "explanation " for it and make the ones feeling it the "problem", in other words, contrary to JD's idiotic signature the reverse is true...its the LEFT that blame victims...

more lefty "propaganda"

oh and on the subject of balming victims...it IS most deffo the left that blames victims....(unless its an industrial accident)  get robbed...its your fault we aint gonna lock the b'stards up...YOU should be insured
got beaten up?...its YOUR fault for going out...

got a burglar...dont you DARE touch him......

all "lefty" policies...It took a tory govt to remove the burglars impunity
and give us back the RIGHT od self defense...and even they havnt gone far enough.....

So history is now lefty propaganda, then why does it always increase after recessions?

Saying something is lefty propaganda, is not a a valid answer either, as you well know.

Going on about the left blaming is a different argument and a deflection to the points at hand, as people from the left can be some of these people also.


So all you gave was a poor opinion of your view on this without refuting anything

Tommy Monk wrote:Well if true, all those foreigners who make up the majority of The so called poor and deprived areas in this country must be really racist!!!

Do they make up the majority of the poor and deprived or are you again just making things up?

Tommy Monk wrote:Yeah all The highly skilled, hard working and well needed immigrants all seem to be poor and disadvantaged.....



Funny that!!!

So for example is over one hundred thousand doctors, one third of all doctors now not skilled?

Again all I am seeing is more proof to fear arguments,.which proves the study further as right, so keep them coming

Well have a look at London for example, all The areas with most so called poor and deprived are full of foreigners.



Most free school meals, again foreigners.



So if your op is true, all these poor and deprived foreigners must be really racist eh dodge????





Twat!

Tommy Monk wrote:Well have a look at London for example, all The areas with most so called poor and deprived are full of foreigners.



Most free school meals, again foreigners.



So if your op is true, all these poor and deprived foreigners must be really racist eh dodge????





Twat!

So you prove my point again now expecting people to go off your opinion which has been debunked so many times it has now become an established fact you are the forum village idiot.

Evidence not hearsay which backs again fear bullshit arguments, as I stated

Just saying debunked means nothing dodge.



You are the idiot if you really believe half the shit you post.




And seen by all.

Tommy Monk wrote:Just saying debunked means nothing dodge.



You are the idiot if you really believe half the shit you post.




And seen by all.

So no evidence, oh dear

Matti the Village idiot strikes again

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Fact remains a steady trickle of immigration is good for Britain, good for many counties in fact...

At least immigrants in general work hard and pay their taxes, not diddle their tax returns year after year , or hide away their inheritance and not declare , with their stash hidden under their bed...

I'm sorry but too many on the right are dishonest, dishonourable , sleakit and not to be trusted....not all though...

And these legal loopholes the rich use to stash money in offshore accounts is just so wrong,,,chase the cheating bastards for it!!!!!

Many immigrants fiddle their tax returns, hide money in family accounts, rent houses off each other paid by benefits etc.


You are ignorant of THe facts.

Tommy Monk wrote:Many immigrants fiddle their tax returns, hide money in family accounts, rent houses off each other paid by benefits etc.


You are ignorant of THe facts.

Evidence?

Yes there is.



Seek and you will find.....

So no evidence then.

Have you had a look.....


Obviously not.


Or you would have found some.

So no evidence then just lost of more bullshit claimed

No such thing as a racist

It's the same thing Obama said in 2008:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

@op
it is probably true, but It is probably more 'fearful' rather than racist. Economic pressures are real and likely to have an effect.

@ the idea that immigrants might be more racist in the UK... possible but the is a few factors like are they doing better than in their original country, because ones perception is relative over time they will adjust to UK standards but at first everything seem pretty good I'm sure. the fact that there is a lot of negativity around Immigrants in the UK probably doesn't help and probably increases racist feelings in the immigrants as well. although it may unite them again the Anglo? hard to say and I think they will be more affected by their interaction with people, assuming they do meet some nice British people they will understand that most British aren't that bad despite how some of them portray themselves online and in the media.

That's the problem, they might be doing better, and I'm sure they are.


But many others already here are doing worse because of their arrival.




They have driven wages down, and cost of living has gone up.


We have schools where over 75% are foreign and half don't speak English.



This is madness.

That's the problem, they might be doing better, and I'm sure they are.
But many others already here are doing worse because of their arrival.
They have driven wages down, and cost of living has gone up.
We have schools where over 75% are foreign and half don't speak English.
This is madness.

Tommy Monk wrote:That's the problem, they might be doing better, and I'm sure they are.
But many others already here are doing worse because of their arrival.
They have driven wages down, and cost of living has gone up.
We have schools where over 75% are foreign and half don't speak English.
This is madness.

You have some schools the majority are going to be white, being as white is 87% of the population.

No evidence they have driven down wages either, in fact the evidence points to many wages increasing for many sectors.

No evidence to back either 50% do not speak English.

Again fear arguments used proving my point.

In a white British country, what colour do you expect the majority of kids at school to be ...????



Plenty of evidence wages have been driven down and costs of living having risen.



You are a liar if you claim otherwise.


As even MPs have acknowledged this is true.

Tommy Monk wrote:In a white British country, what colour do you expect the majority of kids at school to be ...????



Plenty of evidence wages have been driven down and costs of living having risen.



You are a liar if you claim otherwise.


As even MPs have acknowledged this is true.

Britain is a Muticultural society, so what has skin colour got to do with anything, unless you as seen hold such absurd racial views.
Again evidence points that immigration has in many cases driven wages up, which many reports conclude

Bollocks.

Wash your mouth out and grow up, there is a good chap

You talk shite dodge.



You keep on with the same rubbish again and again after countless times of being proved wrong.




Unbelievable really.



Completely devoid of common sense



Let's try.....



Do you think the napp importation of cheap labour will....

a) drive wages up?

Or

b) drive wages down?


Do you know anything about basic laws of economics???



I'll give you a clue....


Ever heard of supply and demand????



YOu are a complete twat.


And I'm not even joking.

So yet more childish replies with no evidence

Do you think the mass importation of cheap labour will....

a) drive wages up?

Or

b) drive wages down?


Do you know anything about basic laws of economics???



I'll give you a clue....


Ever heard of supply and demand????

Post your evidence:


Here is mine:




Britain’s EU immigrants are a boon, not a burden. They are young and more likely to be in work than Britons, and thus pay more in taxes than they take out in benefi ts and public services. They do, however, push up housing costs – a problem Britain must confront.
Contrary to popular opinion, EU immigrants are far less likely to take up benefi ts than the British population. ‘Benefi t tourism’ is a canard: the great majority of EU immigrants come to Britain to work. Being net contributors to Britain’s public fi nances, they help the country to deal with the costs of an ageing society.
If Britain left the EU, future British governments would be more likely than not to curb immigration from the rest of Europe. But as baby-boomers retire and jobs are created at the high- and low-skilled ends of Britain’s labour market, demand for immigrant labour is likely to grow, not shrink.


http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/attachments/pdf/2014/report_smc_final_report_june2014-9013.pdf

All very interesting and all that, but does not answer the question, although it is an example of supply and demand in action.


More immigrants = higher living costs for all.


Now what do you think will happen to wages with all this extra cheap labour available, as is the question below..???



Do you think the mass importation of cheap labour will....

a) drive wages up?

Or

b) drive wages down?


Do you know anything about basic laws of economics???



I'll give you a clue....


Ever heard of supply and demand????





Also while they take the jobs, What happens to The person already here with no job as a result, however far down the line it is, one extra immigrant working will mean plus one already here to The dole queue claiming benefit, between £72 a week up to maybe £230 a week or more when including housing benefit and council tax benefit etc.



Does the tax paid by the immigrant worker cover the extra costs in benefit that result as shown above...???

(That is if they pay any tax at all cos we know many are self employee and just skip back home paying nothing at end of tax year)



Take your time dodge....

I know plenty about economics and as seen immigration has brought up wages in many of the skilled industries, which answers your questions, which at least I can answer which as seen you always avoid and still present no evidence.


As seen more people are now in work so your next question is even more daft

So take your time presenting your evidence, where you never ever address any points made yo you and expect everyone to answer yours when as proven to the whole forum, you are the village idiot

If you cannot back your evidence, we are done and you have again not been able to back any of the claims you make


I love how you space massive gaps between your sentences as if to make your replies look longer

PMSL

Until tomorrow

"...


I love how you space massive gaps between your sentences as if to make your replies look longer..."





Is that why you have started copying me...???





Wages have declined over 10 years overall.


I know this for a fact as a skilled worke from personal experience and from many others who have experienced the same.



And I know that unskilled labourers have seen drop too.



Wages started going down after 2004, when funny enough, what happened then.....???



Let me think....????



Oh yes!


Open door EU immigration to all The eastern Europeans!!!!!




Day work rates for electricians went from £140-150 down to 130 then 120-130, then even 115-120, for a while and now only about £130-135.


Should have risen up from The £150 mark in ten years to £165-175 a day with inflation.




So don't tell me your bullshit.



I know first hand.

Racist towards who??