Las Vegas Suspects Were 'White Supremacists'

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:Off course you have to go, your raison d'etre when you have been shown up.

Sassy, raison d'etre means "reason for being."  What you are trying to say is, it is my habit.

You remind me of what my youngest daughter used to call a yipper dog...not really dangerous, but you have to be careful not to hurt 'em when you boot them aside with your foot.  You can't really kick them.

I have spoken of what Republicanism is today, and it's not a pretty picture.  I have described the war in Iraq, vividly and graphically, as symptomatic of what Republicans are today...torturers, kidnappers, rapists and murderers.  I'm now speaking about Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Cheney, the Neo-Cons, and of course, GWB...though he was just a dupe, I'm sure.  All of them, through the CIA and Defense Department, the Marines, the Army and even the Navy, carried out a systematic program of inhuman and brutal treatment of Iraqis and Muslims in general...extending from Abu Graib Prison to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.  Now, I am describing the black heart of what Republicans have become.  I have spoken about this many times and I have publically called for a trial of former VP Richard Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on war crimes charges.

I think that most of the soldiers and grunts in Iraq were pulled into that war unknowingly.  Not all soldiers, in any war, are ideologues or true believers.  Most are grunts who are just pulled into it through recruitment or a draft.  Now, Cass has chosen to include her husband in that crowd.  I don't quite know how she means it; is she saying her husband was just pulled into the war unknowingly, or does she mean to include him in the company of Richard Cheney and the CIA?  I don't know her husband and I cannot speak for her or him.  I am merely pointing out that her husband is not my reference, and you will have to speak to her about what she meant to say about him.

In either case I am simply going to continue on with my opinion of Republicans, and my thesis about what Republicanism has come to represent.  I am neither going to change that opinion, nor least of all adopt some other opinion because Cass somehow sees her husband in the mist of it all.  That is beside the point.

Now fuck off you ---- (one can't realistically call a woman a prick, can one).

Original Quill wrote:

Cass wrote:my point quill is that you cannot keep generalising all under one umbrella....its nonsensical.

is there a very nasty bigoted racist group within the GOP? You betcha....is there a group behind the puppet on show with deep ties to the military-industrial complex that wants to take total control of the government? yup. just as there is a lunatic fringe within the democratic part, just as there is in all religions, all races.  sometimes it is not black and white but many shades of grey. I don't generalise mostly (child abusers being one exception) nor do I like being labelled one thing or the other.

I apologise for calling you a prick but you were out of order and patronising. I have spent 25 years of my life being around the military so I do know what I am talking about here.

Generalising is the nature of all politics...indeed, all sociology.  And we don't let groups with published platforms, duly elected spokesmen and decision-makers, and enacted laws and policies, off the hook that easily.  Even if we did, the proof is always in the pudding.  The last time Republicans were in power they stood for rape, torture, kidnapping and murder.  You can parse the good intentions of the GOP all you want...the proof is in what they actually did.

Now I go further and say that what the GWB administration did was lay the bricks for what followed: the Tea Party, anti-women, Republican racism, White Supremacists, voter suppression, GOP anti-hispanic laws, open carry gun laws, the Southern Strategy and the virtual shut-down of the USA, to name but a few.

I grew up during WWII and lived primarily on Naval Air bases at that time.  My father retired as a Rear Admiral in the USNR  Don't tell me that military life means you have to have a closed mind toward humanism.  My father, a staunch Republican, would have shot any man who wanted to torture a prisoner or rape his daughter.

Republicans have indeed come a long way.

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think these nutjobs are radicalizing one another and getting radicalized through their right-wing media. Notice a lot of conservative media figures and politicians are positively running from these guys, who have ties to Former Right-Wing Hero Cliven Bundy.

I think a lot of them would never go this far but they get around people more psycho than they are and they're pushed farther. And they have trouble drawing the line between conservatism and radical conservatism because, well ...

"Conservatives may not grasp "nuance," but we're pretty good at grasping treason." - Ann Coulter

Sassy wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy, raison d'etre means "reason for being."  What you are trying to say is, it is my habit.

You remind me of what my youngest daughter used to call a yipper dog...not really dangerous, but you have to be careful not to hurt 'em when you boot them aside with your foot.  You can't really kick them.

I have spoken of what Republicanism is today, and it's not a pretty picture.  I have described the war in Iraq, vividly and graphically, as symptomatic of what Republicans are today...torturers, kidnappers, rapists and murderers.  I'm now speaking about Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Cheney, the Neo-Cons, and of course, GWB...though he was just a dupe, I'm sure.  All of them, through the CIA and Defense Department, the Marines, the Army and even the Navy, carried out a systematic program of inhuman and brutal treatment of Iraqis and Muslims in general...extending from Abu Graib Prison to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.  Now, I am describing the black heart of what Republicans have become.  I have spoken about this many times and I have publically called for a trial of former VP Richard Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on war crimes charges.

I think that most of the soldiers and grunts in Iraq were pulled into that war unknowingly.  Not all soldiers, in any war, are ideologues or true believers.  Most are grunts who are just pulled into it through recruitment or a draft.  Now, Cass has chosen to include her husband in that crowd.  I don't quite know how she means it; is she saying her husband was just pulled into the war unknowingly, or does she mean to include him in the company of Richard Cheney and the CIA?  I don't know her husband and I cannot speak for her or him.  I am merely pointing out that her husband is not my reference, and you will have to speak to her about what she meant to say about him.

In either case I am simply going to continue on with my opinion of Republicans, and my thesis about what Republicanism has come to represent.  I am neither going to change that opinion, nor least of all adopt some other opinion because Cass somehow sees her husband in the mist of it all.  That is beside the point.

Now fuck off you ---- (one can't realistically call a woman a prick, can one).

I know what raison d'etre means, and used it properly.   Your reason for being is to come on forums, big yourself up as much as possible, do your best to make yourself look clever, which always ends up failing, never apologise for anything you say that is recognised by all as being insulting to a member, then run off when challenged, then do what you did here and slither on when your challenger has left to leave another post that you think makes you look big and bold.

Grandaughter read your post.   Got that wrong hasn't he, she said, you're a rottweiller and he sound like a snivelling weasel.   So you fuck off you sad little fantasist, because once again you think you have got away with insulting a lovely lady and she's too nice to slap you.

I know perfectly well what some of the American troops did, as I know perfectly well that our troops are not all perfect.   That does not give you the right to say that they are all like that.   Some have taken a bad situation and done their best to do some good things within it.

Cass, I'm afraid you are too much of a lady to continue to call him on this, sadly, Quill is not enough of a gentleman to own up to what he said and apologise.   He will wiggle, squiggle, squirm, crawl on his belly to hide under bushes, but no matter how nasty he has been, he will never apologise.   He will continue with the thread, making out nothing happened and hoping nobody will remember.   It's the Quill way after all.   It's also the way of a snake in the grass.   They have quite a resemblance.

Original Quill wrote:

Sassy wrote:

I know what raison d'etre means, and used it properly.   Your reason for being is to come on forums, big yourself up as much as possible, do your best to make yourself look clever, which always ends up failing, never apologise for anything you say that is recognised by all as being insulting to a member, then run off when challenged, then do what you did here and slither on when your challenger has left to leave another post that you think makes you look big and bold.

Grandaughter read your post.   Got that wrong hasn't he, she said, you're a rottweiller and he sound like a snivelling weasel.   So you fuck off you sad little fantasist, because once again you think you have got away with insulting a lovely lady and she's too nice to slap you.

I know perfectly well what some of the American troops did, as I know perfectly well that our troops are not all perfect.   That does not give you the right to say that they are all like that.   Some have taken a bad situation and done their best to do some good things within it.

Cass, I'm afraid you are too much of a lady to continue to call him on this, sadly, Quill is not enough of a gentleman to own up to what he said and apologise.   He will wiggle, squiggle, squirm, crawl on his belly to hide under bushes, but no matter how nasty he has been, he will never apologise.   He will continue with the thread, making out nothing happened and hoping nobody will remember.   It's the Quill way after all.   It's also the way of a snake in the grass.   They have quite a resemblance.

Are you ready to apologize for this post?  Not only was it stupid, but you had to run to grandaughter for support.  It was weak, as are most of your posts Sass.  Raison d'etre is not the proper term; you clearly mean modus operandi.    I said plainly that not all soldiers were the same; you lie to our faces and twist that...saying I said "they are all like that."  You borrow support from your grandaughter, you don't even understand your own language, and you lie to our faces in order to push your ill-conceived, scatterbrained ideas.  

Face it Sass, the point of any discussion is irrelevant to you.  All that matters to you is being right, and have others believe you won.  When your stupidity reveals itself, your modus operandi is to escalate the battle until you think you have convinced others you won.  Most important to you is to recruit others into your Sassy Posse, so you appear to have the numbers.  In this way, you detract from more threads than any other poster on this board...or any other board I've seen you on.

Your true raison d'etre is yourself, and your modus operandi is to  bullshit others til you think they believe it.

Cass wrote:guys please....just leave it ok? please! thanks x

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Sassy wrote:

Cass wrote:guys please....just leave it ok? please! thanks x

As you ask and you were the one maligned I shall gladly agree. However, I would point out that because Quill gets away with this kind of behaviour over and over again he thinks it's his right to do it. Sometime, somewhere, someone has to put their foot down and say enough already, it's not acceptable.