Universities Should Lower Entry Requirements So Thick, But Poor, Students Get In Over Hard Working Students

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7th June 2014

Social engineering laid out bare.

They just won't be happy until the country is bottom of the league.

Universities should discriminate against applicants from private schools, grammars and high-performing comprehensives, Government-funded research has suggested.

The controversial study reccomends that universities should lower their entry requirements for pupils from non-selective and poor-performing state schools because they show more ‘potential’, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

These students are ‘significantly’ more likely to graduate with a first or 2.1 in their degree than peers from private or high-achieving state schools who gained similar results at GCSE and A-level, the study of millions of school-leavers found.

They are also less likely to drop out of their degree courses part-way through.

The researchers, led by Dr Claire Crawford, claim that selective schools may be better at drawing out good results from their pupils - a so-called ‘teaching effect’.

They say that university entry grades should be lowered for pupils at comprehensives, particularly schools where pupils make poor progress, ‘in order to equalise the potential of all students being admitted to university’.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2650829/Middle-class-children-best-performing-schools-miss-universities-says-government-study.html#ixzz33wZo6pLg

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Anyway, the message of this "research" appears to be that those who go to university from State schools and who have similar A level results to those who do not are less likely to drop out, and are more likely to get a higher grade in their degree. So what is the point of lowering the entry requirements for those from State schools? It doesn't appear to be about grades at all.

Perhaps the question should be asked - why are those from private schools more likely to drop out?

I would guess because a large proportion of them are spoilt brats that have never even had to wipe their own arse and have had anything and everything they want provided on a plate.
They think the world is there "just for the taking" , and are shocked into incompetence when the reality dawns on them....

Few in private schools these days are "old money" the greatest majority are the by-blows of the "yuppie" ...greed is good " culture...

Raggamuffin wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

I would guess because a large proportion of them are spoilt brats that have never even had to wipe their own arse and have had anything and everything they want provided on a plate.
They think the world is there "just for the taking" , and are shocked into incompetence when the reality dawns on them....

Hmmmmm. Maybe they were pushed into going in the first place and didn't really want to. I think it's unfair to assume that those who go to private schools are brats.

i think its perfectly fair...they are (in the majority) all the bloody same

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Hmmmmm. Maybe they were pushed into going in the first place and didn't really want to. I think it's unfair to assume that those who go to private schools are brats.

i think its perfectly fair...they are (in the majority) all the bloody same

Well that's just silly.

Is It....the same logic is applied by some on here to others......

victorisnotamused wrote:Is It....the same logic is applied by some on here to others......

Oh, so you didn't really mean it then.

:::grouch:: 

Raggamuffin wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:

I would guess because a large proportion of them are spoilt brats that have never even had to wipe their own arse and have had anything and everything they want provided on a plate.
They think the world is there "just for the taking" , and are shocked into incompetence when the reality dawns on them....

Hmmmmm. Maybe they were pushed into going in the first place and didn't really want to. I think it's unfair to assume that those who go to private schools are brats.

They have private coaches etc to make their grades and are regimented by their schools, don't have to make decisions for themselves. Take those props away at uni, where they have to fend for themselves, and they can't hack it.

It sounds like it's the ones from private schools who are disadvantaged ...

Raggamuffin wrote:It sounds like it's the ones from private schools who are disadvantaged ...

They are advantaged up to that point, which is why they get the higher grades. However, uni is about doing things for yourself and being self disciplined and not being told what to do all the time.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:It sounds like it's the ones from private schools who are disadvantaged ...

They are advantaged up to that point, which is why they get the higher grades.   However, uni is about doing things for yourself and being self disciplined and not being told what to do all the time.

I know what it's about thanks.

Anyway, as I said, these research people compared students who had the same or similar grades at A level, so it doesn't seem to be about A level grades at all.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

They are advantaged up to that point, which is why they get the higher grades.   However, uni is about doing things for yourself and being self disciplined and not being told what to do all the time.

I know what it's about thanks.

Anyway, as I said, these research people compared students who had the same or similar grades at A level, so it doesn't seem to be about A level grades at all.

It is about grades, because that is normally why you get in and it is very difficult for the other type of entry, and a much smaller number are accepted because of showing promise. Therefore, if they make it less about grades and more about promise, more of those type of kids will get in.

Make the grades required for entry and apply, don't make the grades then study more, retake exams and try again.
Simple!

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I know what it's about thanks.

Anyway, as I said, these research people compared students who had the same or similar grades at A level, so it doesn't seem to be about A level grades at all.

It is about grades, because that is normally why you get in and it is very difficult for the other type of entry, and a much smaller number are accepted because of showing promise.   Therefore, if they make it less about grades and more about promise, more of those type of kids will get in.

Dr Claire Crawford seems to be drawing a strange conclusion based on her study. She's talking about A level students who got the same grades., so what's the problem? If they got the right grades, they don't need to be lowered. It's just not logical.