Halal: not about food but fear of difference

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 5:57 pm

David Cameron went to Nando's last week. His startled fellow diners in Bristol's Park Street branch reported that he feasted on half a chicken with regular fries and coleslaw, accompanied with a glass of red wine. We don't know whether the chicken was halal or not, although on its website Nando's states that 34 of its 314 restaurants in the UK currently serve halal-only meat, so it is certainly possible.

Let's assume for the moment that the prime minister's peri-peri chicken was indeed halal. Here was a man who, some weeks previously, had declared that we should be "more confident about our status as a Christian country" eating meat that had been slaughtered according to Islamic guidelines ("Halal" is Arabic for "permissible").

This would have meant that the animal in question was pre-stunned, then slit across the throat to be drained of blood. A Muslim prayer would have been recited as the animal died.

Does it matter? Yes. But not for the reasons you might think.

The recent debate about the provenance of our meat in supermarkets and restaurant chains has resulted in the generation of an enormous amount of air hotter than Cameron's peri-peri sauce. Opponents to the introduction of unlabelled halal meat on our pizzas or in our chicken buckets have three main points of contention

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/11/halal-meat-nandos-pizza-express-Islam

by Lone Wolf Sun May 11, 2014 6:39 pm

Just HOW stupidly ignorant, and probably plain lazy into the bargain, is that Guardian commentator/columnist ???

A little bit of proper and pertinent research would have told them that poultry and fish killed and processed are already served up to Halal-Kosher standards..

AS for that reporters reference to "stunning" poultry before slaughter ~ not only an idiot, but a lying turd as well. Pretty much what I would expect from a dishonest gutter rag like the Guardian these days.. :-:bravo:-:

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 6:44 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:

Just HOW stupidly ignorant, and probably plain lazy into the bargain, is that Guardian commentator/columnist ???

A little bit of proper and pertinent research would have told them that poultry and fish killed and processed are already served up to Halal-Kosher standards..

AS for that reporters reference to "stunning" poultry before slaughter ~ not only an idiot, but a lying turd as well. Pretty much what I would expect from a dishonest gutter rag like the Guardian these days.. :-:bravo:-:

True. I can't believe people are still gullible enough to believe everything they're told by governments, corporations and the Press. Then again, they used to believe that smoking was good for you!

by Guest Sun May 11, 2014 7:13 pm

Tess, don't think you understood what Bee was saying. Bee doesn't think that chickens are pre-stunned before their heads are chopped off. Perhaps they don't do it in Australia, I don't know. However, in this country they are stunned by being hung upside down and they heads put in a bath of water with electricity running though it. Halal chickens are stunned exactly the same way as ours. And that is overseen by the Food Standards Authority and they report on it.

by Fred Mon May 12, 2014 3:34 pm

If a Muslim is served a dish containing pork in prison for example there is a hue and cry and a legal suit no doubt.

Serve the majority of the non Muslim population halal meat which many of us might well object to and we are overreacting seems to be Didges message.

I don't think so. Talk about Islamification by stealth!!!

What with secret conspiracies to take over schools by extremists and segregating girls the lefts arguments are looking pretty thin.

I suppose the two hundred girls kidnapped by the Islamic extremists in Nigeria have been taken on a nice holiday have they.

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 3:49 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:If a Muslim is served a dish containing pork in prison for example there is a hue and cry and a legal suit no doubt.

Serve the majority of the non Muslim population halal meat which many of us might well object to and we are overreacting seems to be Didges message.

I don't think so. Talk about Islamification by stealth!!!

What with secret conspiracies to take over schools by extremists and segregating girls the lefts arguments are looking pretty thin.

I suppose the two hundred girls kidnapped by the Islamic extremists in Nigeria have been taken on a nice holiday have they.

But you eat meat anyway, so your point is hypocritical

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:13 pm

Sassy wrote:Tess, don't think you understood what Bee was saying. Bee doesn't think that chickens are pre-stunned before their heads are chopped off. Perhaps they don't do it in Australia, I don't know. However, in this country they are stunned by being hung upside down and they heads put in a bath of water with electricity running though it. Halal chickens are stunned exactly the same way as ours. And that is overseen by the Food Standards Authority and they report on it.

The neck wringing is truly awful too sass.

by Stephenmarra Mon May 12, 2014 4:34 pm

Sassy wrote:Tess, don't think you understood what Bee was saying. Bee doesn't think that chickens are pre-stunned before their heads are chopped off. Perhaps they don't do it in Australia, I don't know. However, in this country they are stunned by being hung upside down and they heads put in a bath of water with electricity running though it. Halal chickens are stunned exactly the same way as ours. And that is overseen by the Food Standards Authority and they report on it.

Hmmm ! yes the chickens are stunned in the way you suggest before slaughter but not for the chickens benefit.
It's done to immobilise them so a nice prone neck is available for the next stage of the *process* and not a flapping wriggling scared witless bird.

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:39 pm

Stephenmarra wrote:
Sassy wrote:Tess, don't think you understood what Bee was saying. Bee doesn't think that chickens are pre-stunned before their heads are chopped off. Perhaps they don't do it in Australia, I don't know. However, in this country they are stunned by being hung upside down and they heads put in a bath of water with electricity running though it. Halal chickens are stunned exactly the same way as ours. And that is overseen by the Food Standards Authority and they report on it.
Hmmm ! yes the chickens are stunned in the way you suggest before slaughter but not for the chickens benefit.
It's done to immobilise them so a nice prone neck is available for the next stage of the *process* and not a flapping wriggling scared witless bird.

Absolutely, half the time they come to very quickly, so they get strung upside down, half drowned, electrocuted and then have their heads chopped off. And some people think that is to make it 'nicer' for them Rolling Eyes

by gerber Mon May 12, 2014 4:39 pm

Alright said Fred wrote:If a Muslim is served a dish containing pork in prison for example there is a hue and cry and a legal suit no doubt.

Serve the majority of the non Muslim population halal meat which many of us might well object to and we are overreacting seems to be Didges message.

I don't think so. Talk about Islamification by stealth!!!

What with secret conspiracies to take over schools by extremists and segregating girls the lefts arguments are looking pretty thin.

I suppose the two hundred girls kidnapped by the Islamic extremists in Nigeria have been taken on a nice holiday have they.

Imagine the furore if if two hundred Muslim girls were kidnapped, made to wear Christian garb and fed normal meat......

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:41 pm

gerber wrote:
Alright said Fred wrote:If a Muslim is served a dish containing pork in prison for example there is a hue and cry and a legal suit no doubt.

Serve the majority of the non Muslim population halal meat which many of us might well object to and we are overreacting seems to be Didges message.

I don't think so. Talk about Islamification by stealth!!!

What with secret conspiracies to take over schools by extremists and segregating girls the lefts arguments are looking pretty thin.

I suppose the two hundred girls kidnapped by the Islamic extremists in Nigeria have been taken on a nice holiday have they.

Imagine the furore if if two hundred Muslim girls were kidnapped, made to wear Christian garb and fed normal meat......

Not really anything to do with the fuss about halal meat Gerbs. Honestly, what do you think the difference is between 'halal' meat and 'our' meat?

Hope you had a nice weekend btw x

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:41 pm

gerber wrote:
Alright said Fred wrote:If a Muslim is served a dish containing pork in prison for example there is a hue and cry and a legal suit no doubt.

Serve the majority of the non Muslim population halal meat which many of us might well object to and we are overreacting seems to be Didges message.

I don't think so. Talk about Islamification by stealth!!!

What with secret conspiracies to take over schools by extremists and segregating girls the lefts arguments are looking pretty thin.

I suppose the two hundred girls kidnapped by the Islamic extremists in Nigeria have been taken on a nice holiday have they.

Imagine the furore if if two hundred Muslim girls were kidnapped, made to wear Christian garb and fed normal meat......

Normal meat?

by gerber Mon May 12, 2014 4:44 pm

Didge wrote:
gerber wrote:

Imagine the furore if if two hundred Muslim girls were kidnapped, made to wear Christian garb and fed normal meat......

Normal meat?

Non halal...

sassy lovely ta the Puffins were hugely entertaining......

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:46 pm

gerber wrote:
Didge wrote:

Normal meat?

Non halal...

sassy lovely ta the Puffins were hugely entertaining......

Funniest birds in the world!

So, come on girl, what is the difference between 'halal' meat and 'our' meat?

by Stephenmarra Mon May 12, 2014 4:48 pm

Sassy wrote:
Stephenmarra wrote:
Hmmm ! yes the chickens are stunned in the way you suggest before slaughter but not for the chickens benefit.
It's done to immobilise them so a nice prone neck is available for the next stage of the *process* and not a flapping wriggling scared witless bird.

Absolutely, half the time they come to very quickly, so they get strung upside down, half drowned, electrocuted and then have their heads chopped off. And some people think that is to make it 'nicer' for them

Aye there's nowt nice about factory farmed chickens in life or type of death.

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:50 pm

halal is contaminated with a prayer to a false god and i don't want to eat it thank you and i have every right to know if the meat i am buying is halal that's the difference .

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:50 pm

Stephenmarra wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Absolutely, half the time they come to very quickly, so they get strung upside down, half drowned, electrocuted and then have their heads chopped off. And some people think that is to make it 'nicer' for them
Aye there's nowt nice about factory farmed chickens in life or type of death.

Not much nice in the case of the pigs either. They live a terrible life, killed off when they are about 7 months old, have never seen a blade of grass, live on wooden slats with gaps in between, sometimes their trotter goes between the gaps and they break their legs. Terrible, unnatural life.

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:51 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:halal is contaminated with a prayer to a false god and i don't want to eat it thank you and i have every right to know if the meat i am buying is halal that's the difference .

Contaminated by prayer, thanking it for giving up it's life? That is the daftest thing I have ever heard.

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 4:53 pm

Sassy wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:halal is contaminated with a prayer to a false god and i don't want to eat it thank you and i have every right to know if the meat i am buying is halal that's the difference .

Contaminated by prayer, thanking it for giving up it's life? That is the daftest thing I have ever heard.

daft to you sassy , but as a Christian having meat prayed over to a false god is the same as cursing it in a satanic ritual because i consider Islam satanic

by Stephenmarra Mon May 12, 2014 5:02 pm

Sassy wrote:
Stephenmarra wrote:
Aye there's nowt nice about factory farmed chickens in life or type of death.

Not much nice in the case of the pigs either. They live a terrible life, killed off when they are about 7 months old, have never seen a blade of grass, live on wooden slats with gaps in between, sometimes their trotter goes between the gaps and they break their legs. Terrible, unnatural life.

It's even worse for the pigs as they are an intelligent animal, Sad

Thing has improved in this Country slightly in resent years but not everywhere in Europe yet, note our pork is more expensive.

by gerber Mon May 12, 2014 5:03 pm

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

Non halal...

sassy lovely ta the Puffins were hugely entertaining......

Funniest birds in the world!

So, come on girl, what is the difference between 'halal' meat and 'our' meat?

I am of the understanding it appears to becoming wrong that halal does not stun, cuts the main blood vessels and prayers are said.....

If there is no obvious difference why the chuff are the Islamic sect so demanding that all meat is halal ?

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 5:09 pm

gerber good question , i know that Muslims can eat non halal meat so it is my opinion that they just want their own way and they want everyone to do as they say end of ...

It is my belief that Islam wants to take over the world and everyone should be Muslims so every time they get their own way it is another step to force us to being Muslims .

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 5:12 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Funniest birds in the world!

So, come on girl, what is the difference between 'halal' meat and 'our' meat?

I am of the understanding it appears to becoming wrong that halal does not stun, cuts the main blood vessels and prayers are said.....

If there is no obvious difference why the chuff are the Islamic sect so demanding that all meat is halal ?

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

by gerber Mon May 12, 2014 5:20 pm

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

I am of the understanding it appears to becoming wrong that halal does not stun, cuts the main blood vessels and prayers are said.....

If there is no obvious difference why the chuff are the Islamic sect so demanding that all meat is halal ?

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

You know Sassy, I think I have actually learnt something today. Thank you.

If you and I ever get into the House of Lords can we sit on the cross benches next to each other, for fun, though I ma sure many on here would put us there for other reasons namely the description cheers

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 5:27 pm

gerber wrote:
Sassy wrote:

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

You know Sassy, I think I have actually learnt something today. Thank you.

If you and I ever get into the House of Lords can we sit on the cross benches next to each other, for fun, though I ma sure many on here would put us there for other reasons namely the description

I'll happily join you on the cross benches Gerbs x

by veya_victaous Mon May 12, 2014 11:17 pm

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Sassy wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:halal is contaminated with a prayer to a false god and i don't want to eat it thank you and i have every right to know if the meat i am buying is halal that's the difference .

Contaminated by prayer, thanking it for giving up it's life? That is the daftest thing I have ever heard.

daft to you sassy , but as a Christian having meat prayed over to a false god is the same as cursing it in a satanic ritual because i consider Islam satanic

Proves my Point

it is all really down to IGNORANCE Mad

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 11:23 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

daft to you sassy , but as a Christian having meat prayed over to a false god is the same as cursing it in a satanic ritual because i consider Islam satanic

Proves my Point

it is all really down to IGNORANCE

Well then you should try to dispel your ignorance through knowledge v

by Guest Mon May 12, 2014 11:28 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Proves my Point

it is all really down to IGNORANCE

Well then you should try to dispel your ignorance through knowledge v

Its you who are ignorant. On the other thread you said that kosher is not being forced down your throat.

Absolutely, completely and utterly wrong. Jewish people regard only the top half of the animal as kosher, so every animal that is killed by the kosher method has it's bottom half sent to Smithfield or other meat markets, unmarked as kosher, as they don't consider it is, even though the animal was killed by the kosher method. So virtually every single person in the country, if they eat meat, has eaten meat that was killed by the kosher method. You obviously didn't see the Countryfile report.

And 90% of halal is prestunned, 0% of kosher is prestunned.

by veya_victaous Mon May 12, 2014 11:54 pm

smelly_bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

daft to you sassy , but as a Christian having meat prayed over to a false god is the same as cursing it in a satanic ritual because i consider Islam satanic

Proves my Point

it is all really down to IGNORANCE

Well then you should try to dispel your ignorance through knowledge v

Yes I do try and dispel My ignorance through Knowledge study

too bad your type never tries to do the same..

Just sit there listening to the crazy hate filled voices in your head smelly... I know that's all you do Evil or Very Mad

by Ben Reilly Tue May 13, 2014 6:18 am

You know what's awesome about being an atheist?

Not worrying about bullshit like Satanic curses Smile

In fact:

Agios ichyaros baphometos, agios athantos!

There, I've just blessed this whole board in the name of Satan (according to the Internets). Give me a while, I'll try to dig up a Leprechaun blessing as well Smile

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 6:51 am

i only want the blessings from Jesus Ben and as you are proud of your atheist views it is the same for me i am proud of my Saviour Jesus Christ and nothing anyone will say will ever make me doubt him .

atheism is belief so you have faith in being an atheist .

having meat prayed over to a false god which i believe allah is a false god and i have every right to express that belief and won't be forced into honouring the false god , praying to it is demonic and evil and i believe Islam is evil and from the devil. I'm not saying all the followers of Islam are evil because i know some very nice decent Muslims , but they admit to not really following the koran and are only Muslims by birth .

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 6:58 am

There is a shop near my parents who's owners are Muslims apart from the eldest son , he is a Christian and speaks to me about Jesus all the time when i go in there , i asked him why he doesn't believe Islam and he said from when he was a little boy he didn't feel right with the Islamic religion and by his own choice he bought a bible from a charity shop and read it and he realized it made more sense than the koran , he then went to a local church and enjoyed the happiness and joy there , he became a Christian at aged 10 and has had a lot of flack from his family about betraying Islam , but he won't turn his back on Jesus he truly believes Jesus is the only way to the Father . I admire his strength and determination not to be bullied out of something he believes Smile

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 7:03 am

Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

I am of the understanding it appears to becoming wrong that halal does not stun, cuts the main blood vessels and prayers are said.....

If there is no obvious difference why the chuff are the Islamic sect so demanding that all meat is halal ?

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

so Muslims want everyone to eat meat that has been prayed on to a god they don't believe in which is an insult to atheists and i am surprised atheists accept this as they so against any form of religion , hypocritical .

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 8:46 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Sassy wrote:

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

so Muslims want everyone to eat meat that has been prayed on to a god they don't believe in which is an insult to atheists and i am surprised atheists accept this as they so against any form of religion , hypocritical .

I suggest you read that again. Muslim religious leaders HAVE ASKED FOR IT TO BE LABELLED. The ones who stopped it being labelled are the politicians who voted against it being labelled, or like UKIP, refused to vote, when the suggestion was put up in the EU.

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 8:52 am

Sassy wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

so Muslims want everyone to eat meat that has been prayed on to a god they don't believe in which is an insult to atheists and i am surprised atheists accept this as they so against any form of religion , hypocritical .

I suggest you read that again. Muslim religious leaders HAVE ASKED FOR IT TO BE LABELLED. The ones who stopped it being labelled are the politicians who voted against it being labelled, or like UKIP, refused to vote, when the suggestion was put up in the EU.

Muslim Council's Latest Press Release:
'Halal meat in the UK'
8th May 2014
Once again the last few days has seen a number of headlines on halal food. Some of them are misinformed and some are simply there to generate unnecessary hysteria.
Many faiths place an emphasis on meat, and food in general, to be “pure and wholesome”, a broad concept which takes a holistic approach to the processes of rearing and consumption of animals. The welfare and treatment of animals is central to this so that the whole supply chain should be underpinned by ethical principles.
Muslims believe the 'halal' (literally meaning, 'permissible') method (just like Jews do for kosher) to be the most humane way to slaughter animals for consumption. The aim is to make the death of the animal as quick and painless as possible. The halal and kosher methods of slaughter which causes a rapid loss of consciousness is indeed equivalent to the stunning of the animal. Although there is a difference of opinion, a large proportion of Muslims do not accept that pre-stunned methods of slaughter conform to the criteria of halal.
None of us are opposed to proper labelling of meat so consumers know whether they are halal or kosher. Indeed, this would be in the interests of Muslim and Jewish consumers who wish to observe their dietary rules.
But in the interests of fairness and equality, consumers also have the right to know the origins of non-religious slaughtered food. If the current controversy is truly about consumer transparency, then we must also have labelled meat slaughtered via captive bolt shooting, gassing, electrocution, drowning or trapping. Singling out halal meat for compulsory labelling thus leaves us open to religious discrimination.
We understand that there is a genuine concern about animal welfare. Indeed the welfare of animals is a central condition of halal food (known as tayyib). However, for many years now, both Muslim and Jewish experts have engaged and debated with certain activists who disagree with our notion that non-stunned slaughter is far more humane than the stunned method.
Finally, we are extremely concerned by the tone and tenor of the argument raging in our newspapers today. Those responsible for sensationalist headlines must ask themselves: are they intent on banning all methods of religious slaughter, or will they somehow single out Muslims, and if so, how?
The halal food industry is big in the United Kingdom. Valued at over £3 billion, it contributes large amounts to the UK economy. Many popular curry houses and restaurants clearly displaying Halal attract customers who are not often Muslims. We welcome any move by mainstream companies to cater for Muslim consumers. At the end of the day, informed consumer choice, rather than prejudice should be the motivating factor here.

:
The Muslim Council of Britain is the UK's largest Muslim umbrella body with over
500 affiliated national, regional and local organisations, mosques,
charities and schools.

http://www.mcb.org.uk/MCBPR-08052014.html

by Irn Bru Tue May 13, 2014 9:00 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Sassy wrote:
gerber wrote:

I am of the understanding it appears to becoming wrong that halal does not stun, cuts the main blood vessels and prayers are said.....

If there is no obvious difference why the chuff are the Islamic sect so demanding that all meat is halal ?

That's what I thought you thought. 90% of halal meat is stunned, has the arteries opened exactly as we do, because the blood has to come out while the heart is still pumping or the meat is inedible. The only difference is the prayer up on the wall. No Kosher meat is stunned, and every animal killed in the kosher method has the bottom half of the body sent to Smithfield etc unlabelled as kosher because they don't believe it is.

The Islamic sect aren't demanding anything of the sort Gerbs, they just want to eat halal because of the prayer. The also want it labelled so you don't have to eat it. The people stopping the labelling are the people who voted against it, or refused to vote like UKIP, when labelling was suggested in the EU.

so Muslims want everyone to eat meat that has been prayed on to a god they don't believe in which is an insult to atheists and i am surprised atheists accept this as they so against any form of religion , hypocritical .

Don't true Christian's want people to eat meat that has been prayed on VOD? In fact they do it themselves.

God our Father, Lord and Saviour
Thank you for your love and favor
Bless this food and drink we pray
And all who shares with us today.

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by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:06 am

religious discrimination .

It was only a matter of time when that would be mentioned in the article.

label it all to fair that's the only way .

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:08 am

Irn Bru wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:

so Muslims want everyone to eat meat that has been prayed on to a god they don't believe in which is an insult to atheists and i am surprised atheists accept this as they so against any form of religion , hypocritical .

Don't true Christian's want people to eat meat that has been prayed on VOD? In fact they do it themselves.

God our Father, Lord and Saviour
Thank you for your love and favor
Bless this food and drink we pray
And all who shares with us today.

Indeed but Christians don't have a special prayer up in the process while the animals are being slaughtered like Muslims do .

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:08 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:religious discrimination .

It was only a matter of time when that would be mentioned in the article.

label it all to fair that's the only way .

Well of course it's religious discrimination when people are objecting because of a prayer DOH!

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:09 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

Don't true Christian's want people to eat meat that has been prayed on VOD? In fact they do it themselves.

God our Father, Lord and Saviour
Thank you for your love and favor
Bless this food and drink we pray
And all who shares with us today.

Indeed but Christians don't have a special prayer up in the process like Muslims do .

A prayer is a prayer.

by Irn Bru Tue May 13, 2014 9:10 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:religious discrimination .

It was only a matter of time when that would be mentioned in the article.

label it all to fair that's the only way .

Cameron says it is up to the meat industry to deal labeling of meat. If the EU brought out labeling regulations there would be an almighty shit storm claiming they have no right to impose labeling regulations on us

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:11 am

Sassy wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:religious discrimination .

It was only a matter of time when that would be mentioned in the article.

label it all to fair that's the only way .

Well of course it's religious discrimination when people are objecting because of a prayer DOH!

so i can cry religious discrimination at halal meat as it goes against what i believe Wink

by Irn Bru Tue May 13, 2014 9:11 am

Sassy wrote:
Vicar of Dibley wrote:
Irn Bru wrote:

Don't true Christian's want people to eat meat that has been prayed on VOD? In fact they do it themselves.

God our Father, Lord and Saviour
Thank you for your love and favor
Bless this food and drink we pray
And all who shares with us today.

Indeed but Christians don't have a special prayer up in the process like Muslims do .

A prayer is a prayer.

So nothing wrong with eating meat that has had a prayer said over it then?

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:14 am

so how many of you atheists are going to support me in my belief that it is religious discrimination that the meat i now can't buy is against my faith as it is prayed over and blessed by a false god according to what i believe .

come on how many will support my rights like you are supporting Muslims rights over the way their meat is supplied to them .

by Irn Bru Tue May 13, 2014 9:18 am

So it's just which prayer that is said over the slaughtered animal then and not a prayer itself?

I don't think the slaughtered animal could give two hoots which prayer it is and god doesn't appear to care either so why should you?

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:18 am

Vicar of Dibley wrote:so how many of you atheists are going to support me in my belief that it is religious discrimination that the meat i now can't buy is against my faith as it is prayed over and blessed by a false god according to what i believe .

come on how many will support my rights like you are supporting Muslims rights over the way their meat is supplied to them .

Well not me, because it's ludicrous. If I go to a Christian friend and they say blessing for the food before we eat, do I refuse to eat it because of a prayer, because they have been thankful for the food? I wouldn't be that backward.

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:22 am

Irn Bru wrote:So it's just which prayer that is said over the slaughtered animal then and not a prayer itself?

I don't think the slaughtered animal could give two hoots which prayer it is and god doesn't appear to care either so why should you?

of course it matters , why is it so important for Muslims and Jews (have to include Jews or it isn't fair to the Muslims ) to have their meat blessed ?

I won't eat meat that has been prayed over by a false religion and to a false god , this is my belief and i have a right to it Smile

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i firmly believe Islam is of the devil and as the devil is my enemy i don't want a thing to do with it .

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:24 am

You poor soul.

by Guest Tue May 13, 2014 9:29 am

Sassy wrote:You poor soul.

why ?

do you think Muslims would eat meat that has been prayed over and blessed by Jesus Christ the only begotten son of god ????

by Irn Bru Tue May 13, 2014 9:29 am

I suppose it's important to them for the same reason that it's important to you.

So the prayer thing is just a ruse and you don't care about the animal itself or what kind of life it had before it was butchered for you to enjoy.
Never mind. God has given it the thumbs up so just tuck in - after prayers of course.

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