Boy, 7, 'On Fire' In Street: Petrol Involved

A seven-year-old boy is being treated for serious burns after reports that he was "on fire" in a city street.

The child was hurt in the incident in Bedford Avenue, Aberdeen, at around 2pm on Good Friday.

Petrol was involved, police said, and the boy was taken to Royal Aberdeen Children's Hospital.

The street was closed to traffic.

A police spokesman said: "A seven-year-old boy is undergoing treatment following an incident in Bedford Avenue in Aberdeen. It was reported to us at 2pm this afternoon.

"The incident involves petrol and the boy has quite serious burns. Police are at the scene and following a positive line of inquiry."

Officers are appealing for any witnesses or anyone with information to contact them on 101.

http://news.sky.com/story/1245228/boy-7-on-fire-in-street-petrol-involved

OFGS!!!! That is just awful. Surely he wasn't playing with it.

How awful! I bet most passers-by felt totally helpless.

Hope he survives.

Hope they find out what happened.

Sassy wrote:Hope they find out what happened.

So do I!
Can you imagine though, what you'd have done if a small child was on fire?? I'd have burned my hands trying to help, but I think it'd render me and most people totally helpless   

Ban it......

Tsk...ALWAYS lay the victim down down ...smother flames with your coat or other such item...and act fast....

Saw that on the news tonight. What a shocking sight that must have been.
Hope the kid isn't too badly burned but it doesn't sound good.

victorisnotamused wrote:Tsk...ALWAYS lay the victim down down ...smother flames with your coat or other such item...and act fast....

Yes I know that vic but it's not easy when someone is probably running around screaming etc

In any case. Let's hope he ok.

Yeah ,saw this earlier too, just horrendous, probably one of the worst types of pain one can get...

I noticed the Police earlier had said they were not or would not yet be able to clarify if this was a criminal act or.

Joy Division wrote:Yeah ,saw this earlier too, just horrendous, probably one of the worst types of pain one can get...

I noticed the Police earlier had said they were not or  would not yet be able to clarify if this was a criminal act or.

Much as it is terrible if it was an accident and he did it himself playing with things he shouldn't have done, the thought of someone doing that to him is even worse.

Sassy wrote:

Joy Division wrote:Yeah ,saw this earlier too, just horrendous, probably one of the worst types of pain one can get...

I noticed the Police earlier had said they were not or  would not yet be able to clarify if this was a criminal act or.

Much as it is terrible if it was an accident and he did it himself playing with things he shouldn't have done, the thought of someone doing that to him is even worse.

..I know what you mean Sass, if he has done it himself by accident, at least it wasn't forced on him and with all the fear that would come with that had it been someone else deliberately doing that..

I do think it probably is a case of a bad accident,,,playing with things he shouldn't, I would like to think it's this , rather than a criminal act.

Poor wee lad.

The young lad is in a critical condition and has been transferred to the Royal Sick Children's Hospital in Edinburgh who have a specialist burns unit. That's the hospital that several of us donated to on the Grand National thread.
Police don't believe this is the result of a deliberate act.
We just have to hope for the best.

Reading this morning that a council van was left open with a can of petrol in it, the kids were playing with it and had lighters. Why did kids that age have lighters? It's easy to say with hindsight, and kids get up to all sorts we don't think that do. It said he was trying to keep calm and rolling on the grass to put it out, but then the pain got too much and he started running around. His mother passed out with the shock and had to be given oxygen. Just terrible, hope he pulls through.

Sadly folks

http://news.sky.com/story/1246886/aberdeen-boy-burned-in-petrol-game-dies

RIP Little one

victorisnotamused wrote:Sadly folks

http://news.sky.com/story/1246886/aberdeen-boy-burned-in-petrol-game-dies

RIP Little one

Just heard Victor, he must have suffered these last few days. RIP indeed.

victorisnotamused wrote:Sadly folks

http://news.sky.com/story/1246886/aberdeen-boy-burned-in-petrol-game-dies

RIP Little one

That is bad news. Poor Little man

Very sad news   

I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

I heard of his death earlier today, truly awful and I really feel for the family.

Raggamuffin wrote:I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

Did another kid? I thought they were all playing with the petrol?

Raggamuffin wrote:I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

You really are a nasty piece of work.

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

Nems wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

Did another kid? I thought they were all playing  with the petrol?

Well I don't suppose he threw it on himself.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

You really are a nasty piece of work.  

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

Sassy wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I suppose the kids who did that to him will get away with it.

You really are a nasty piece of work.  

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

She is a nasty piece of work?!
After what you said to her? You have a bloody nerve. Look at your own behaviour before trying to claim any moral high ground

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:

You really are a nasty piece of work.  

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

She is a nasty piece of work?!
After what you said to her? You have a bloody nerve. Look at your own behaviour before trying to claim any moral high ground

She has no self-awareness.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nems wrote:

She is a nasty piece of work?!
After what you said to her? You have a bloody nerve. Look at your own behaviour before trying to claim any moral high ground

She has no self-awareness.

So it appears, she has a photographic memory for the lives of others though. I cant believe she gets away with it.
Actually know what I can.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

You really are a nasty piece of work.  

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

..telling many kids not to bet up to mischief is like telling them they can't play with toys.

Some kids will get up to mischief, it's part of curiosity ,,,even when it can be deadly,they don't always understand the consequences.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Sassy wrote:

You really are a nasty piece of work.  

Police are not treating the incident as a malicious act but are investigating whether the council may be at fault over claims the children had taken the petrol can from an open council van.

A police spokesman said: "We are treating it as a tragic accident but investigating all the circumstances around how this could have happened.

"We will then send a report to the Procurator Fiscal as is the usual procedure."

Aberdeen City Council have launched an internal investigation into what happened.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment further while the police investigation is ongoing."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10779029/Seven-year-old-boy-engulfed-in-petrol-game-fire-dies.html

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

get real ragga...why do you think the "age of responsibility" is 10 ?

they most likely had no idea of the consequences, unfortunately these days PARENTS dont educate their children properly, instead abdicating THAT responsibility to the state.

At 7 years old i KNEW the flamability and explosive nature of petrol, and the damage its misuse could do....BECAUSE MY FATHER TAUGHT ME......

It is difficult to blame the other kids if they didnt know the REAL damage petrol (and fire in general) can do...

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

..telling many kids not to bet up to mischief is like telling them they can't play with toys.

Some kids will get up to mischief, it's part of curiosity ,,,even when it can be deadly,they don't always understand the consequences.

I bet the poor council worker gets the blame, even though they obviously nicked the petrol from the van.

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

get real ragga...why do you think the "age of responsibility" is 10 ?

they most likely had no idea of the consequences, unfortunately these days PARENTS dont educate their children properly, instead abdicating THAT responsibility to the state.

At 7 years old i KNEW the flamability and explosive nature of petrol, and the damage its misuse could do....BECAUSE MY FATHER TAUGHT ME......

It is difficult to blame the other kids if they didnt know the REAL damage petrol (and fire in general) can do...

I taught mine very early too Victor, it has to be done.

victorisnotamused wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Oh of course it won't be the kids' fault - nothing ever is. They had no business going near that petrol in the first place.

get real ragga...why do you think the "age of responsibility" is 10 ?

they most likely had no idea of the consequences, unfortunately these days PARENTS dont educate their children properly, instead abdicating THAT responsibility to the state.

At 7 years old i KNEW the flamability and explosive nature of petrol, and the damage its misuse could do....BECAUSE MY FATHER TAUGHT ME......

It is difficult to blame the other kids if they didnt know the REAL damage petrol (and fire in general) can do...

They knew enough about it to put petrol and a naked flame together didn't they?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


..telling many kids not to bet up to mischief is like telling them they can't play with toys.

Some kids will get up to mischief, it's part of curiosity ,,,even when it can be deadly,they don't always understand the consequences.

I bet the poor council worker gets the blame, even though they obviously nicked the petrol from the van.

You have to feel for them a bit dont you. It must have been horrific. I wondered if he had spilled it or something while messing with it?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Joy Division wrote:


..telling many kids not to bet up to mischief is like telling them they can't play with toys.

Some kids will get up to mischief, it's part of curiosity ,,,even when it can be deadly,they don't always understand the consequences.

I bet the poor council worker gets the blame, even though they obviously nicked the petrol from the van.

Well tbh Rags,he is responsible for the contents of his van, just as we are our cars...he is the adult...and im sure he feels terrible now.

Raggamuffin wrote:

victorisnotamused wrote:
get real ragga...why do you think the "age of responsibility" is 10 ?

they most likely had no idea of the consequences, unfortunately these days PARENTS dont educate their children properly, instead abdicating THAT responsibility to the state.

At 7 years old i KNEW the flamability and explosive nature of petrol, and the damage its misuse could do....BECAUSE MY FATHER TAUGHT ME......

It is difficult to blame the other kids if they didnt know the REAL damage petrol (and fire in general) can do...

They knew enough about it to put petrol and a naked flame together didn't they?

It's maybe not quite the time for blame Rags, the poor we lad has lost his life and went through hell first, a tragic spending situation without the need for us to start pointing fingers or blaming anyone, I'm sure the van driver feels terrible, bit the onus IS on him to lock his van knowing there is flammable contents.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I bet the poor council worker gets the blame, even though they obviously nicked the petrol from the van.

Well tbh Rags,he is responsible for the contents of his van, just as we are our cars...he is the adult...and im sure he feels terrible now.

Those kids should feel terrible IMO.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They knew enough about it to put petrol and a naked flame together didn't they?

It's maybe not quite the time for blame Rags, the poor we lad has lost his life and went through hell first, a tragic spending situation without the need for us to start pointing fingers or blaming anyone, I'm sure the van driver feels terrible, bit the onus IS on him to lock his van knowing there is flammable contents.

What happened to the poor lad is exactly why I'm pointing the finger - at the kids who set him on fire - if indeed that's what happened.

Kids shouldn't go around poking their noses into vans. It wasn't their van so they should have kept out of it.

yes....and.......your point is.....

most kids know petrol is flammable....they dont relaise the consequences.....

and Yes the council worker SHOULD get the blame.....Its callled statutory duty of care..

Health and safety LAW....

3 General duties of employers and self-employed to persons other than their employees.

(1)It shall be the duty of every employer to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons not in his employment who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.
(2)It shall be the duty of every self-employed person to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that he and other persons (not being his employees) who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.


and THAT..in a "public place" includes children who may well not be aware of the consequences of their actions........

victorisnotamused wrote:yes....and.......your point is.....

most kids know petrol is flammable....they dont relaise the consequences.....

and Yes the council worker SHOULD get the blame.....Its callled statutory duty of care..

Health and safety LAW....

3 General duties of employers and self-employed to persons other than their employees.

(1)It shall be the duty of every employer to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that persons not in his employment who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.
(2)It shall be the duty of every self-employed person to conduct his undertaking in such a way as to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that he and other persons (not being his employees) who may be affected thereby are not thereby exposed to risks to their health or safety.


and THAT..in a "public place" includes children who may well not be aware of the consequences of their actions........

..I can't often say this Victor, but something we do agree on!

Your dead right.

Well they wouldn't have been exposed to risk if they hadn't been poking around in someone's van.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well they wouldn't have been exposed to risk if they hadn't been poking around in someone's van.

Of a Bis driver was pulling away when a child was getting on and an accident occurred, who do you think would be to blame?..remember the kid had already got a foot on the bus while stationary...amd even had he not the driver would still have a duty to check his mirrors before pulling away....

Everyone knows kids act in a non predictable manner and we should be extra careful in what we let them get access too, the driver is at fault here.

Sad as it is.

Raggamuffin wrote:Well they wouldn't have been exposed to risk if they hadn't been poking around in someone's van.

and they wouldnt have been poking around in the van if the council bod had locked it...as the above quoted law requires.....

Moreover if you are overtaking a child on a bike, you would give them Extra leeway as they wobble about and act far more unpredictably than adults..these are just a couple of examples...

And if something similar bad happened in the child's house, you would have no problem in blaming the parents for being negligent.

Joy Division wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Well they wouldn't have been exposed to risk if they hadn't been poking around in someone's van.

Of a Bis driver was pulling away when a child was getting on and an accident occurred, who do you think would be to blame?..remember the kid had already got a foot on the bus while stationary...amd even had he not the driver would still have a duty to check his mirrors before pulling away....

Everyone knows kids act in a non predictable manner and we should be extra careful in what we let them get access too, the driver is at fault here.

Sad as it is.

How was the van driver to know that a bunch of kids would nick the petrol?

thats not the point...

he knows petrol is dangerously flammable.....It is therefore HIS DUTY to ensure that no unauthorised person has acces to it...

It is, in law (and in common sense) reasonable to suppose that a person in charge of such a liquid should be able to forsee that theft and misuse is a possibility. It is also patent that "reasonable precautions" are easily instituted. i.e close and lock the doors.

therefor he fails the legal test of "did he act as a "reasonable person" would "
In other words, would someone, of reasonable aptitude and reasonable knowlege for his position have done differently.....

I think "the reasonable person would have"