Muslim Plot Thickens

14th April 2014

Twenty-five schools are being investigated in connection with an alleged plot by conservative Muslims to force out headteachers and governors.

A new chief advisor is now being appointed by Birmingham City Council to handle the at least 200 complaints received in relation to Operation Trojan Horse after an unsigned, undated document was sent to the council and teaching unions last year.

It apparently set out a blueprint for seizing control of the governing bodies of schools, and forcing out those who do not agree. It claimed to have forced a change of leadership at four schools.

Whistleblowers - including former staff - have made a number of allegations against schools in Birmingham since the accusations came to light, including one claim the teachings of an al-Qaeda-linked preacher were praised in front of pupils.

Other complaints include the alleged segregation of boys and girls in lessons and assemblies, a ban on sex education and bullying of non-Muslim staff.

Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg said he was "very, very concerned about allegations that taxpayer-funded schools have become vehicles of particular ideologies".

"I have always supported faith schools but the best faith schools use their religious identity as engines of integration rather than silos of segregation," he added.

The council's investigation, running alongside a separate inquiry by the Department for Education (DfE), is due to initially report back in May.

At a briefing, councillors said the 25 schools being investigated in Birmingham included primaries, secondaries, community schools and academies. Fifteen of the schools have so far been inspected by Ofsted.

Birmingham City Council also confirmed that it was in contact with authorities in Bradford and Manchester who had been experiencing "similar" issues.

http://news.sky.com/story/1242295/Muslim-plot-to-take-over-schools-investigated

I hope they investigate it fully and stamp on anything if it has been going on if it has, and give a full and frank account of their findings, whatever they are.

This is quite worrying.
Very worrying if it has been reported totally truthfully.

lets hope they get this right and take control back ..

'Get control back' presumes the result. It is claimed the document is a forgery. Lets wait and find out the truth shall we?

Sassy wrote:'Get control back' presumes the result.   It is claimed the document is a forgery.   Lets wait and find out the truth shall we?

It's covering 25 schools - more than just about that stupid letter, but focus on the one thing that may be wrong and ignore all the rest - twas ever thus with lefties.

In France Muslim students take unauthorized prayer time and days out for Islamic occasions . 
Islam is demanding more and more and nobody is stopping it .

French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

that's just crazy it shows just how mad they really are..

not sure how banging ones head on the ground is a good thing

Let's be real, though. The report comes back and says it was way overblown or that there was nothing to it, many of you will not believe it.

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

Lol seriously???

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's be real, though. The report comes back and says it was way overblown or that there was nothing to it, many of you will not believe it.

It started off being about one school then, after investigating, they expanded it to 13 schools then, after further investigating, they've expanded it to 25 schools, and increased the area from just Birmingham to include Manchester. I don't think there'll turn out to be nothing in it somehow...

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's be real, though. The report comes back and says it was way overblown or that there was nothing to it, many of you will not believe it.

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's be real, though. The report comes back and says it was way overblown or that there was nothing to it, many of you will not believe it.

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back and reads as credible that Muslims have tried to infiltrate and take over 25 British schools, I'll believe it as much as I believe anything else -- which is to say I'll accept that they got as close to the truth as anyone can but that there's always more to any story.

We already know there are shenanigans going on, however, with the hoaxed letter.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back and reads as credible that Muslims have tried to infiltrate and take over 25 British schools, I'll believe it as much as I believe anything else -- which is to say I'll accept that they got as close to the truth as anyone can but that there's always more to any story.

We already know there are shenanigans going on, however, with the hoaxed letter.

"A former teacher at a Birmingham school alleged to be part of an "Islamic takeover plot" says concerns were first raised more than 20 years ago.  Michael White, who was dismissed in 2003 from Park View School, in Alum Rock, said its board of governors was "taken over by a Muslim sect" in 1993.  He said he told the local education authority (LEA) but his claims were not investigated.

Mr White said Park View's board of governors was reorganised after the school was put into special measures by Ofsted in 1993.  He said there was an increase in female students covering their hair within months of Mr Alam's appointment.

"The LEA was well aware of what was going on," he said.  "They told me they didn't want to exchange one set of problems for another."

Mr White said he was "forced out" after he challenged governors' attempts to ban sex education and stop the teaching of non-Islamic faiths in religious education classes.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-26883618

20 years ago! Before the letter, and ignored by the LEA, naturally.

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

Really???

David wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

Really???  

Yeah, I did a search for anything like that and could find nothing. Probably just one of those anti-Muslim rumors that the haters pick up and run with.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

David wrote:

Really???  

Yeah, I did a search for anything like that and could find nothing. Probably just one of those anti-Muslim rumors that the haters pick up and run with.

As far as Im concerned they can bang til the cows come home. i want to know what the hell has been going on in our schools.

This is actually happening, being local to Bham its been in our news for a few months now, with stories like this one

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/head-school-targeted-jihadist-plot-6789943

A head teacher whose school was targeted in an alleged Jihadist plot was forced out after opposing Muslim governor plans to scrap sex education and allow only halal food, it was claimed.

Sources claim Balwant Bains was “bullied and intimidated” in the months before he left Saltley School last November after clashing with its governing body.

The respected head, who is of Sikh origin, was allegedly undermined when governors overturned his decision to expel a Muslim pupil found with a knife.

It was claimed he was also targeted in an anonymous text message that branded him a “racist, Islamophobic head teacher”.

Five non-Muslim governors have resigned in recent months and 12 of the school’s 14 current governors are Muslim, it was reported on Sunday.

The development came days after the Birmingham Mail revealed allegedly leaked documents showed Islamic fundamentalists were targeting Birmingham schools and trying to oust headteachers and other staff, including non-Muslims, through dirty tricks campaigns.

The conspirators would then install their own hard-line supporters to encourage the school to move to Academy status and educate children on strict Islamic principles, it was claimed.

The alleged plot, called Operation Trojan Horse, is being investigation by Birmingham City Council, which has alerted the Department for Education.

West Midlands Police have reopened a fraud investigation at one school named in the documents and Ofsted conducted a snap inspection at another last week.

Schools named in the documents include Park View Academy in Alum Rock, Adderley Primary School and Saltley School, both in Saltley, and Regents Park Community Primary in Small Heath.

Saltley has about 950 predominantly Muslim pupils aged 11-16. Problems are said to have surfaced last year when Mr Bains was asked by governors to make curriculum changes.

“The governors demanded that he get rid of sex education and citizenship classes because they were deemed un-Islamic,” a friend of Mr Bains claimed on Sunday.

“He was also told that he should introduce Islamic studies into the curriculum, even though the school is a non-faith school, and he was told that only halal food should be served on the premises. Bains refused their demands and that’s when things started to go wrong for him.”

Mr Bains went on “gardening leave” last November after a report by Ofsted that concluded that he had a “dysfunctional” relationship with the governors.

On Sunday Ahson Mohammed, Saltley’s interim head teacher, confirmed halal food had been introduced at the school canteen but said the decision was based on “the make-up of the students rather than a demand from the school”.

He said that both sex education and citizenship studies remained part of the curriculum. But he denied Islamic studies had been introduced, insisting students were taught about both Islam and Christianity.

Birmingham City Council refused to comment on the Saltley claims but the investigation into the anonymous letter was continuing.

harvesmom wrote:This is actually happening, being local to Bham its been in our news for a few months now, with stories like this one

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/head-school-targeted-jihadist-plot-6789943

A head teacher whose school was targeted in an alleged Jihadist plot was forced out after opposing Muslim governor plans to scrap sex education and allow only halal food, it was claimed.

Sources claim Balwant Bains was “bullied and intimidated” in the months before he left Saltley School last November after clashing with its governing body.

The respected head, who is of Sikh origin, was allegedly undermined when governors overturned his decision to expel a Muslim pupil found with a knife.

It was claimed he was also targeted in an anonymous text message that branded him a “racist, Islamophobic head teacher”.

Five non-Muslim governors have resigned in recent months and 12 of the school’s 14 current governors are Muslim, it was reported on Sunday.

The development came days after the Birmingham Mail revealed allegedly leaked documents showed Islamic fundamentalists were targeting Birmingham schools and trying to oust headteachers and other staff, including non-Muslims, through dirty tricks campaigns.

The conspirators would then install their own hard-line supporters to encourage the school to move to Academy status and educate children on strict Islamic principles, it was claimed.

The alleged plot, called Operation Trojan Horse, is being investigation by Birmingham City Council, which has alerted the Department for Education.

West Midlands Police have reopened a fraud investigation at one school named in the documents and Ofsted conducted a snap inspection at another last week.

Schools named in the documents include Park View Academy in Alum Rock, Adderley Primary School and Saltley School, both in Saltley, and Regents Park Community Primary in Small Heath.

Saltley has about 950 predominantly Muslim pupils aged 11-16. Problems are said to have surfaced last year when Mr Bains was asked by governors to make curriculum changes.

“The governors demanded that he get rid of sex education and citizenship classes because they were deemed un-Islamic,” a friend of Mr Bains claimed on Sunday.

“He was also told that he should introduce Islamic studies into the curriculum, even though the school is a non-faith school, and he was told that only halal food should be served on the premises. Bains refused their demands and that’s when things started to go wrong for him.”

Mr Bains went on “gardening leave” last November after a report by Ofsted that concluded that he had a “dysfunctional” relationship with the governors.

On Sunday Ahson Mohammed, Saltley’s interim head teacher, confirmed halal food had been introduced at the school canteen but said the decision was based on “the make-up of the students rather than a demand from the school”.

He said that both sex education and citizenship studies remained part of the curriculum. But he denied Islamic studies had been introduced, insisting students were taught about both Islam and Christianity.

Birmingham City Council refused to comment on the Saltley claims but the investigation into the anonymous letter was continuing.

It has also been on Sky News reporting about Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester  

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back and reads as credible that Muslims have tried to infiltrate and take over 25 British schools, I'll believe it as much as I believe anything else -- which is to say I'll accept that they got as close to the truth as anyone can but that there's always more to any story.

We already know there are shenanigans going on, however, with the hoaxed letter.

Ben you slip sideways every time. Like a crab.
If it's been reported and the reports are true I don't think you'll want to believe it.

Did you know, you can still like Muslims, you can still support their rights, you can still defend them when people are being unfair even when you can read something like this and say "That's not right! They should not be doing that!"

Do you,see how it works? I can still like you and defend you if I think you're right and people are being unfair whilst saying to you "You're being a blind little crab scuttling sideways and dearie me, you don't live here so you can't possibly know the intricacies of what's going on!"

Do,you see how that works Benjy?

Ben_Reilly wrote:

David wrote:

Really???  

Yeah, I did a search for anything like that and could find nothing. Probably just one of those anti-Muslim rumors that the haters pick up and run with.

Ben this has been investigated for the last 3 months and this has just gone public in the media. If you google now you will find a lot of returns   

David wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Yeah, I did a search for anything like that and could find nothing. Probably just one of those anti-Muslim rumors that the haters pick up and run with.

Ben this has been investigated for the last 3 months and this has just gone public in the media.  If you google now you will find a lot of returns   

Of course the usual excuses of 'its only a tiny number of radicals' and ''you cant blame the majority' will be trotted out.
Bullshit, Im beginning to think its endemic in them. This is certainly not an isolated couple of incidents. Lets face it its forced Gove to act.

The islamophiles will "pretend nothing has happened"

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back and reads as credible that Muslims have tried to infiltrate and take over 25 British schools, I'll believe it as much as I believe anything else -- which is to say I'll accept that they got as close to the truth as anyone can but that there's always more to any story.

We already know there are shenanigans going on, however, with the hoaxed letter.

Ben you slip sideways every time. Like a crab.
If it's been reported and the reports are true I don't think you'll want to believe it.

Did you know, you can still like Muslims, you can still support their rights, you can still defend them when people are being unfair even when you can read something like this and say "That's not right! They should not be doing that!"

Do you,see how it works? I can still like you and defend you if I think you're right and people are being unfair whilst saying to you "You're being a blind little crab scuttling sideways and dearie me, you don't live here so you can't possibly know the intricacies of what's going on!"

Do,you see how that works Benjy?

Actually, I still believe I get to have my own opinion on here. You can ask anybody who's known me from other forums, I don't tend to believe in fantastic claims like this until sufficient evidence has been presented. I know, it's crazy -- but I don't even tend to believe in fantastic claims when they're made about Muslims!

That's why I was the first to point out that the "women are anti-Islamic" post was satire, you know -- because I'm so blind, you see, and biased to boot.

I don't think living a few miles from the schools in question would somehow grant me extra insight, either. But every time I disagree with the chicken littles of the world, someone has to step in and remind me that I'm not their neighbor, so how could my view have any merit -- I'm pretty used to it.

" Madrassas in the UK: British-Muslim Schools and their Future

Estimates suggest that there may be over 1,600 active madrassas in the UK. They have often been portrayed as ‘suspect’ institutions guilty of encouraging extremism. Critics accuse them of drawing taxpayers’ money away from mainstream schools and operating outside of the regulated system. In contrast, some argue that madrassas can help to prevent radicalisation of young people and build stronger, more tolerant communities, and that they are capable of raising the educational attainment of the children attending them. It is therefore important that we improve the evidence base for these controversial yet potentially valuable institutions.

http://www.ippr.org/research-project/44/7112/madrassas-in-the-uk-british-Muslim-schools-and-their-future

When the schools are closed they will revert to these.......

ben,i live in b,ham my son was a teacher in one of these schools.one of the teachers was a Muslim.one day after school he found one of the classrooms locked,he looked in a window and saw the teacher holding a Koran in his hand,all the Asian pupils there were reading from there own Korans.this was after school hours.When he asked the headmaster what was going on he was told "after school activities" forget it.

nothing surprises me about Muslims, we have had a quiet invasion for quite some time now, its about time we started to reign these people in...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

Ben you slip sideways every time. Like a crab.
If it's been reported and the reports are true I don't think you'll want to believe it.

Did you know, you can still like Muslims, you can still support their rights, you can still defend them when people are being unfair even when you can read something like this and say "That's not right! They should not be doing that!"

Do you,see how it works? I can still like you and defend you if I think you're right and people are being unfair whilst saying to you "You're being a blind little crab scuttling sideways and dearie me, you don't live here so you can't possibly know the intricacies of what's going on!"

Do,you see how that works Benjy?

Actually, I still believe I get to have my own opinion on here. You can ask anybody who's known me from other forums, I don't tend to believe in fantastic claims like this until sufficient evidence has been presented. I know, it's crazy -- but I don't even tend to believe in fantastic claims when they're made about Muslims!

That's why I was the first to point out that the "women are anti-Islamic" post was satire, you know -- because I'm so blind, you see, and biased to boot.

I don't think living a few miles from the schools in question would somehow grant me extra insight, either. But every time I disagree with the chicken littles of the world, someone has to step in and remind me that I'm not their neighbor, so how could my view have any merit -- I'm pretty used to it.

Are you disbelieving because you,want to? A bit like holding on steadfast even when everyone tells you you're sinking?
I am not one to get hysterical about Muslims, ask anyone who's known me for the last seven years on forums.

But Ben, this is about LIViNG it. This isn't just about this story but others that you see/hear/witness whist living in an area or country.

I would not for one minute, claim you were over-exaggerating if you were telling me something about a happening in Texas. Not for one minute.

Sorry, but reading and witnessing are two different things.
Same goes for those on here who live in areas that aren't affected by high influx of immigration etc.

Let me say again: I am NOT against Muslims or immigration per se. I have many friends of both persuasions.
Just a complete takeover. That's when I will have a problem.

Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

eddie wrote:

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back and reads as credible that Muslims have tried to infiltrate and take over 25 British schools, I'll believe it as much as I believe anything else -- which is to say I'll accept that they got as close to the truth as anyone can but that there's always more to any story.

We already know there are shenanigans going on, however, with the hoaxed letter.

What hoaxed letter do you mean? If its the trogan horse one, it hasnt been proven yet if it is a hoax or not. West Midlands police are still looking into it.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Yes. You are stubborn.
Sort of blinkers you to both sides.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Me too, if something is proved I want something done about it. Until then, I'm not going to take leaks through papers and the internet as the whole story.

Sassy wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Me too, if something is proved I want something done about it.   Until then, I'm not going to take leaks through papers and the internet as the whole story.

Haven't you done that with the missing plane?
Don't we do that with every single story on here? Including your Christians kill a lot of people in Africa one??

Works both ways and there's no answer to that one sass. Some of you have blinkers when it comes to some things. Sorry!!

Quite wrong Eddie, I have said lets see what is found on the aircraft thread and don't get taken in by internet rumours. On the African one I have simply pointed out that the thread contained only one side of the story, totally horrible but one side, and the stories about both are not leaks but facts reported by governments etc.

I don't have blinkers on, I simply want to know the whole story and not the bits of it that have been reported so far, and I will wait for that. If it turns out to be true a ton of bricks should land on them, but not until the exact facts are established.

Sassy wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Me too, if something is proved I want something done about it.   Until then, I'm not going to take leaks through papers and the internet as the whole story.

Absolutely Sassy, that is what causes trouble when some jump in arse first.

eddie wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Let's be real, though. The report comes back and says it was way overblown or that there was nothing to it, many of you will not believe it.

And if the report comes back as true, will many of you believe it?

If it comes back to be true, I will tease England Remorselessly.       

How  could you be so crappy that they don't want to convert to Secularism?      the Muslims Fundamentalist that try to do that shit here get shouted down by other Muslims telling them that it is a hell of lot better here than under the Crazy Imams they had back home, it is better here were we work together for improvement of the community and nation as one. But here they have better role models from the Anglos, other Europeans and the Asian and Indians and Christians Turks (the first middle easterners here).  a generation has already past that has worked to the creed "we are one, but we are many and from all the lands of earth we come. we share a dream and we sing with one voice..." and made it a success, anyone here know we have it good.
We work together and have the vibrancy of a hybrid culture, we are not a true multiculture as we are not separate cultures living together, we are a one culture that is adaptable and will include (steal    ) the best bits of any other culture we come across.

maybe that is also why, being Australian is being something new something that is still defining itself yet has intrinsic links to the most ancient of culture through the Aboriginals.

I will add fear is based in weakness, So do the English fear because they know they have become weak?     

                             

 ::troll:: ::troll:: ::troll::

To listen to some of them, they're a nation of ninnies living in an overflowing piss-pot.

eddie wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Me too, if something is proved I want something done about it.   Until then, I'm not going to take leaks through papers and the internet as the whole story.

Haven't you done that with the missing plane?
Don't we do that with every single story on here? Including your Christians kill a lot of people in Africa one??

Works both ways and there's no answer to that one sass. Some of you have blinkers when it comes to some things. Sorry!!

Spot on. What people who are so bent on defending the indefensible don't realize is that they're causing more damage to the group they want to protect. By excusing any behaviour no matter how appalling just because the perpetrator is a Muslim results in people hating Muslims per se. Ask a Muslim - ask Sexy Mama - she's condemned things that need condemning. You wouldn't protect all murderers and rapists because they happened to be English; it's the same principle.

Tesstacious wrote:

Sassy wrote:'Get control back' presumes the result.   It is claimed the document is a forgery.   Lets wait and find out the truth shall we?

It's covering 25 schools - more than just about that stupid letter, but focus on the one thing that may be wrong and ignore all the rest - twas ever thus with lefties.

Hi Tess


Why do you always come out with absurd views with left and right here?
From what I understand there is an issue with some Salafis, who by the way are ultra right wing conservatives, trying to undermine some of the schools, though not to the extent that has been made out and it makes sense to do so when one has been found to have financial irregularities. The letter is indeed a hoax, there is no two ways about that, but in a way it has open Pandora's box to the fact there is a hard line group of Salafis trying to undermine the system and where again is this support coming from?
The Saudi's, they have the financial punch and we allow any religious view in this country, where wahhabism should be banned from any influence in schools or any madras, but money talks.
Clearly it will come out there is a minority of individuals trying to certainly fix the system in their benefit, and gladly they will be ousted and to me bring to the view no religious school should have autonomy, hence why I think all religious back schools should be banned.

Again from the posts I read it is as if all Muslims are culpable with this and to use them again as to beat them with a stick, yes have a go at the ones who are doing wrong but people use things like this to as per usual have a go at them all.

it doesn't look like minority trying to fix things , it looks like a plan to take control of young, impressionable kids...

Say for arguments sake an average of 800 children attend the 25 schools, some may be smaller some much larger, on those numbers alone 20,000 pupils may be affected.

Didge wrote:

Tesstacious wrote:
It's covering 25 schools - more than just about that stupid letter, but focus on the one thing that may be wrong and ignore all the rest - twas ever thus with lefties.

Hi Tess


Why do you always come out with absurd views with left and right here?
From what I understand there is an issue with some Salafis, who by the way are ultra right wing conservatives, trying to undermine some of the schools, though not to the extent that has been made out and it makes sense to do so when one has been found to have financial irregularities. The letter is indeed a hoax, there is no two ways about that, but in a way it has open Pandora's box to the fact there is a hard line group of Salafis trying to undermine the system and where again is this support coming from?
The Saudi's, they have the financial punch and we allow any religious view in this country, where wahhabism should be banned from any influence in schools or any madras, but money talks.
Clearly it will come out there is a minority of individuals trying to certainly fix the system in their benefit, and gladly they will be ousted and to me bring to the view no religious school should have autonomy, hence why I think all religious back schools should be banned.

Again from the posts I read it is as if all Muslims are culpable with this and to use them again as to beat them with a stick, yes have a go at the ones who are doing wrong but people use things like this to as per usual have a go at them all.  

Try reading my previous post and you'll see the opposite is true.   

Tesstacious wrote:

Didge wrote:


Hi Tess


Why do you always come out with absurd views with left and right here?
From what I understand there is an issue with some Salafis, who by the way are ultra right wing conservatives, trying to undermine some of the schools, though not to the extent that has been made out and it makes sense to do so when one has been found to have financial irregularities. The letter is indeed a hoax, there is no two ways about that, but in a way it has open Pandora's box to the fact there is a hard line group of Salafis trying to undermine the system and where again is this support coming from?
The Saudi's, they have the financial punch and we allow any religious view in this country, where wahhabism should be banned from any influence in schools or any madras, but money talks.
Clearly it will come out there is a minority of individuals trying to certainly fix the system in their benefit, and gladly they will be ousted and to me bring to the view no religious school should have autonomy, hence why I think all religious back schools should be banned.

Again from the posts I read it is as if all Muslims are culpable with this and to use them again as to beat them with a stick, yes have a go at the ones who are doing wrong but people use things like this to as per usual have a go at them all.  

Try reading my previous post and you'll see the opposite is true.    

I have read your posts Tess and they are based off the views of others are they not? One claiming this has gone on for twenty years for example?
Again there is no doubt some truth to some Salfists who have been trying to take over the control of Schools, of that I am certain, but again to what extent? Going off hearsay stories is not going to provide any with a real answer but what the media intends to do and persuade you there is some mass infiltration and clearly it has worked as you believe this.

Again my view is we have to come down hard on any extremist view in this country as they all feed off each other, and we need to cut off the sources. To me any foreign national, found guilty of this should be sent packing, with those British born we need to cripple their funding and have harsher sentencing, plus we need to stop pandering to Saudi

eddie wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

Lol seriously???

Yes but i never put the report up because posting anything anti-Muslim on this forum is not allowed .

VOD(original) wrote:

eddie wrote:

VOD(original) wrote:French teachers say they are appalled to see Muslim students making their own heads bleed by banging them on the ground during prayer time

Lol seriously???

Yes but i never put the report up because posting anything anti-Muslim on this forum is not allowed .

Like, for example, how this topic was taken down immediately   

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:it doesn't look like  minority trying to fix things , it looks like a plan to take control of young, impressionable kids...

Thats exactly what it is , an organised campaign.

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

come over and see for yourself its the only way

VOD(original) wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Proof. Proof. Proof.

That's all I'm asking for, and I've said before that I'll be interested in seeing what turns up. I will accept credible evidence pointing to a plot or pointing to a hoax. But I'm not going to jump to conclusions based on anecdotes that aren't related to the investigation, or anything else.

Sorry, I'm stubborn that way. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

come over and see for yourself its the only way

The way some see "foreigners" as committing most of the crimes in the U.K., or the way people will believe in ghosts or aliens because they think they've seen them? One person's perspective or perception is rarely very reliable.