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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:27 am

A 10-year-old Manitoba boy is being kept home from school because his mother refuses to vaccinate him against measles.

Aidan Walsh is a Grade 5 student at Shevchenko School in Vita, Man., where parents were told a student may have a case of measles.

Grade 5 Manitoba student Aidan Walsh has to stay home from classes because he is not vaccinated for measles and there is a possible case at his school. (CBC)

But Aidan’s mom Kim never had him vaccinated against measles because she believes he is safe with homeopathic remedies.

The province disagrees — and is enforcing a policy that says any child who hasn’t been vaccinated and could be at risk, has to stay home.

“To me it almost seems like a bullying situation, you know? ‘Get the needle! Get the needle! If you don't get the needle, you can't go!’" said Kim.

British Columbia is currently dealing with an outbreak of measles, while Manitoba and other provinces have had a handful of cases.

So far in Manitoba, there have been four reported cases of measles, and after the first two, the province’s public health officials sent a letter to parents of school-age children.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/unvaccinated-boy-not-allowed-at-school-over-measles-scare-1.2606017

Good for the school, why should other children be put at risk just because of one family that chooses to believe in nonsense?
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Post by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:27 am

freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:06 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

But why should the entire student population be put in jeopardy of contracting measles just because one kid's mother doesn't believe in vaccines? It can be a fatal disease.
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Post by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:11 pm

There is a wee lad who used to attend the same primary schools as my kids,his mother refused to let him have the 3in one jab incase it done him more harm than good, but there was no issue with the school.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:36 pm

Joy Division wrote:There is a wee lad who used to attend the same primary schools as my kids,his mother refused to let him have the 3in one jab incase it done him more harm than good, but there was no issue with the school.

Probably because there was no measles outbreak going on there, though.

Of course, if this school didn't want to offer the kid a non-pork lunch alternative, this story would not be about his freedom, but about whether minorities can call the shots over the majority ...

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Post by Eilzel Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:41 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

This is a potential health issue.
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Post by Original Quill Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:50 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

Well, I s'pose you could take that position with any law, GIG. Why should I be forced to abstain from robbing a bank? Why should I be forced to abstain from killing someone when I am angry at him or her? Why am I forced to keep off private property? Indeed, why am I forced to keep off the grass?

It's just freedom of choice, biting the dust again. Ain't it a bitch?

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Post by Tommy Monk Sat Apr 12, 2014 9:22 pm

Is it law that you have to take any vaccination?


If only this child is not vaccinated then surely the risk is only to them as others already protected against it? So where is the risk to them?



I think the bigger problem is allowing immigration from high risk countries unscreened.
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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:49 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Is it law that you have to take any vaccination?


If only this child is not vaccinated then surely the risk is only to them as others already protected against it? So where is the risk to them?



I think the bigger problem is allowing immigration from high risk countries unscreened.

Don't know about the lovely land of Canadia, but in the U.S. there are a lot of school districts that won't admit your kids until they're vaccinated for measles, etc.
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Post by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:55 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

This is a potential health issue.

to the child who has not been vaccinated, the mother has the choice and she must feel the best for her child is not to vaccinate..

are you against freedom of choice?? Smile 

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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:56 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

This is a potential health issue.

to the child who has not been vaccinated, the mother has the choice and she must feel the best for her child is not to vaccinate..

are you against freedom of choice?? Smile 

So just to get you on the record, do you think freedom of choice should apply, as Quill pointed out above, even to things that put society in danger?
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Post by Guest Sat Apr 12, 2014 11:59 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:

to the child who has not been vaccinated, the mother has the choice and she must feel the best for her child is not to vaccinate..

are you against freedom of choice?? Smile 

So just to get you on the record, do you think freedom of choice should apply, as Quill pointed out above, even to things that put society in danger?

if everyone else is vaccinated what danger is there....

freedom of choice is just that or it is taken away.... Smile 

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:10 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

But why should the entire student population be put in jeopardy of contracting measles just because one kid's mother doesn't believe in vaccines? It can be a fatal disease.

Well they won't get it if they've all been vaccinated except him, will they?
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Post by Guest Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:11 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

But why should the entire student population be put in jeopardy of contracting measles just because one kid's mother doesn't believe in vaccines? It can be a fatal disease.

Well they won't get it if they've all been vaccinated except him, will they?

spot on raggs, i was thinking the same thing... ::D:: 

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:15 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

But why should the entire student population be put in jeopardy of contracting measles just because one kid's mother doesn't believe in vaccines? It can be a fatal disease.

Well they won't get it if they've all been vaccinated except him, will they?

Sure, as long as the only people they ever come into contact with are vaccinated. So they can't go grocery shopping or anywhere but school and home.
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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:16 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they won't get it if they've all been vaccinated except him, will they?

Sure, as long as the only people they ever come into contact with are vaccinated. So they can't go grocery shopping or anywhere but school and home.

Why aren't you criticising the other people who aren't vaccinated then?

Anyway, I think they're making him stay off school so he doesn't get measles himself.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:09 am

So they can't go anywhere but school and home?
What you talkin about?
The problem is allowing the contagious in unchecked more than the few unvaccinated in a relatively low occurrence area with most vaccinated
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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:28 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
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Raggamuffin wrote:

Well they won't get it if they've all been vaccinated except him, will they?

Sure, as long as the only people they ever come into contact with are vaccinated. So they can't go grocery shopping or anywhere but school and home.

Why aren't you criticising the other people who aren't vaccinated then?

Anyway, I think they're making him stay off school so he doesn't get measles himself.

I'll criticize anybody who doesn't get vaccinated, that's just a stupid thing to do.
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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:28 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why aren't you criticising the other people who aren't vaccinated then?

Anyway, I think they're making him stay off school so he doesn't get measles himself.

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ONCE again, BaggsHerHead proves why she is still one of the stupidest members on this forum !!!

YET ANOTHER high-school dropout who believes she knows better than the specialists...   Evil or Very Mad 

Still drunk then? Who are these specialists you're talking about, and why?


I expect I have much better qualifications than you.  Cool
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Post by jaded fox Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:16 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I'll criticize anybody who doesn't get vaccinated, that's just a stupid thing to do.

Or can we just let them die and call it Darwin's will?
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Lone Wolf wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

 Suspect 

TELL US again which medical school you received your degree from, f****it  ???
OH ~ THAT'S RIGHT !   YOU didn't even complete high school, you pathetic little grub..   lol!

please remind me how you cheated to get through 8th grade or haven't you managed it yet.... Smile 

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 13, 2014 6:30 pm

jaded fox wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

I'll criticize anybody who doesn't get vaccinated, that's just a stupid thing to do.

Or can we just let them die and call it Darwin's will?

Not the most compassionate approach maybe, but why not?  Twisted Evil Twisted Evil Twisted Evil 
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Post by Original Quill Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:50 pm

jaded fox wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

I'll criticize anybody who doesn't get vaccinated, that's just a stupid thing to do.

Or can we just let them die and call it Darwin's will?

 lol!  Point well taken. Once again, Darwin has the answer.

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Post by veya_victaous Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:11 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

Umm I want the right to NOT expose my kids to deadly diseases that can be prevented  Suspect Suspect Suspect  She can do whatever but why should the rest of us be put at risk  Neutral  Choices, she has, she took, now she lives with the consequences  Wink 
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Post by Original Quill Mon Apr 14, 2014 4:58 am

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:
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TELL US again which medical school you received your degree from, f****it  ???
OH ~ THAT'S RIGHT !   YOU didn't even complete high school, you pathetic little grub..   lol!

please remind me how you cheated to get through 8th grade or haven't you managed it yet.... Smile 

Lay off Bee, GIG. He has a bachelors degree in ag science. What is it that you have??

I can have hours of intelligent conversation with Bee before you come up with one word.

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Post by veya_victaous Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:18 am

Lone Wolf wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

Don't know about the lovely land of Canadia, but in the U.S. there are a lot of school districts that won't admit your kids until they're vaccinated for measles, etc.

 cyclops 

DOWN here in Paradise, they still generally allow those unvaccinated kids to attend school...

However :
* They might miss out on many excursions, sports and extra-curricular activities;   and
* When there is an outbreak of those communicable diseases, those un-vaccinated kids can be ordered to stay home..

IT SHOULD also be noted that the number of kids belonging to those idiotic self-taught-from-the-internet mums down here are less than 4% of all schoolkids.   Idea 

Actually the 'no jab, no play' policy was implemented this year.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/no-jab-no-play-policy-is-now-a-reality-across-nsw/story-fni0cx12-1226793383449


THE state's new laws aimed at raising immunisation rates have now come into effect in childcare centres across NSW.

As of January 1, a child cannot be enrolled at a childcare facility unless the parent or guardian provides an official record proving the child is fully immunised or an approved exemption is provided.

Health Minister Jillian Skinner said the law sent a clear message to parents that the health of children and the wider community needed to be protected: "The government is determined to protect our children from the devastating consequences of vaccine-preventable disease."
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Post by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:15 am

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please remind me how you cheated to get through 8th grade or haven't you managed it yet.... Smile 

Lay off Bee, GIG.  He has a bachelors degree in ag science.  What is it that you have??

I can have hours of intelligent conversation with Bee before you come up with one word.

Perhaps Bee should lay off GIG then. He always starts it.
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Post by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:16 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:freedom of choice bites the dust again, i hope she decides to get a tutor or educate the child herself..

why should she be forced to do something she disagrees with...

Umm I want the right to NOT expose my kids to deadly diseases  that can be prevented  Suspect Suspect Suspect  She can do whatever but why should the rest of us be put at risk  Neutral  Choices, she has, she took, now she lives with the consequences   Wink 

If your kids were vaccinated, they wouldn't get the disease, would they?
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Post by veya_victaous Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:22 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Umm I want the right to NOT expose my kids to deadly diseases  that can be prevented  Suspect Suspect Suspect  She can do whatever but why should the rest of us be put at risk  Neutral  Choices, she has, she took, now she lives with the consequences   Wink 

If your kids were vaccinated, they wouldn't get the disease, would they?

unless they had other medical complications making vaccination unsuitable for them.
It is still better to not expose them to it as vaccination is not 100%, unvaccinated children allow the viruses a chance to mutate and become more virulent.

why take the risk? would you like to raise the speed limit around schools? same thing we do lots to reduce risk to children
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