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by gerber Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:20 pm

Clegg’s “Facts” Turn Out to Be Fiction

Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%. If you’re going to sell yourself on “leaving the rhetoric aside for a minute and sticking to the facts”, telling porkies might not be the best way to go about it…

http://order-order.com/

Doubley bad as his own team could not help him

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:45 pm

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:49 pm

Well, Cleggy got that slightly wrong, but Farage is definitely going to regret saying that the EU had blood on it's hands over it's handling of the Ukraine crisis. I definitely agree with Clegg this morning, not something I do often, when he said:

The DPM said the UKIP leader's comments showed "how extreme people can be when their loathing of the EU becomes so all-consuming that they side with Putin".

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:53 pm

Sassy wrote:Well, Cleggy got that slightly wrong, but Farage is definitely going to regret saying that the EU had blood on it's hands over it's handling of the Ukraine crisis. I definitely agree with Clegg this morning, not something I do often, when he said:

The DPM said the UKIP leader's comments showed "how extreme people can be when their loathing of the EU becomes so all-consuming that they side with Putin".

But the rest of the British public agree with Farage, EVEN BBC READERS!!!:

14.British Imperial
Comment number 14 is an Editors' Pick
3 Hours ago
I imagine Clegg was shocked by Farage siding with Putin. Imagine, a politician using their own brain, coming to the right conclusion and defying what they were told to do, say or feel by the Americans. There hasn't been a Uk politician in 30 years that has done that. Might not always agree with Farage but on that he is spot on.

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Comment number 4.Tripod
3 Hours ago
Farage is right. The EU did encourage revolution in Ukraine.

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Comment number 24.Bauer
3 Hours ago
He might well be shocked but that just goes to show how out of touch he is with the concerns of average British people.

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Comment number 26.Monotone
2 Hours ago
So poor old Clegg was "shocked" by Farage's comments. If all it takes to shock him is a simple statement of the truth, then it just shows how unsuited he is to involvement in government, how uninformed he is on major world affairs, and how unworthy he is of our support.

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Comment number 15.The Bloke
3 Hours ago
What a coincidence.

The BBC ignores Clegg's refusal to deal with his lies over student funding, plays down Farage's apparent polling success, and now sides with Clegg over Ukraine.

How about the BBC dealing with Clegg's Big Lies - funding, that rubbish about 3 million jobs and so on.

Clegg is beneath contempt. So is the BBC, for siding with him.

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Comment number 2.Ady
3 Hours ago
I never thought I would agree with anything said by Mr Farage but " I completely agree Mr Farage " !

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Comment number 50.CPslashM
2 Hours ago
I watched the whole debate.

How did Mr. Farage's comments about the EU and Ukraine equate to "siding with Putin". Does "disagreeing with EU supporters" equate to "siding with Putin"?

Does Mr. Clegg have no better riposte?

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Comment number 12.Robert Sinclair Shand
3 Hours ago
Farage has more gumption than all the other British politicians put together. I am always wary of 'outer' parties but this guy is saying what the majority of the populace has been stating for decades. Any idiot who believes Farage is going away really needs to get a grip with reality.

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Comment number 10.Hatchelt
3 Hours ago
Clegg, I'm "shocked" you think the public can't see what the West has REALLY been upto in the Ukraine. We're not the fools you think we are.

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Comment number 7 is an Editors' Pick
3 Hours ago
The only thing that shocks me is the calibre of the politicians from all parties. What we desperately need is a political class that whatever its leaning, left or right is wise. Not just people prepared to say anything if they think that is what the electorate wants to hear.

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Comment number 65.England is Ruined
2 Hours ago
I am begining to think Clegg is likely to lose his seat in Sheffield Hallam at the next General Election. He is so out of touch with the electorate he is either blind or thick skinned.

Or, maybe, he isn't worried, thinking a Commissioner's job awaits him in Brussels, thus jumping on another gravy train.

Farage gets my vote.

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Comment number 27.thinker
2 Hours ago
The only interesting thing about the debate, which was boring and predictable, was how the media could not bring themselves to state that Clegg had lost. Despite the exit polls and rhe audience, they all thought it was a draw. This shows how out of touch media nerds and msinstream politicians are with vox populi and will not accept tnat the public do not support the EU bureaucracy.

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Comment number 13.YouAreSooooSmart
3 Hours ago
Most of the British public side with Putin on Ukraine.

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Comment number 63.ClaudeBalls
2 Hours ago
I'm not always in tune with Mr Farage (putting it mildly) but at least he answers the bl&&dy question!

You may not like the answer, but you will at least get one!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26761258

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:54 pm

Those were the top comments ::D::

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:12 pm

Obviously UKIP headquarters typing overtime rates will be high today Rolling Eyes

by gerber Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:23 pm

No I don't think so.....................

Had it been Milli and DC then one or the others friends if they have any would have been busy and far more for Milli.

The bbc are not akin to either.......................

And being brutally honest what I saw Cloggy didn't answer one question.

The comments listed are fair and accurate. An unknown for the Beeb........ Maybe the lack of licence money has already got their attention and they are taking note of the Great British Public.

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:29 pm

gerber wrote:No I don't think so.....................

Had it been Milli and DC then one or the others friends if they have any would have been busy and far more for Milli.

The bbc are not akin to either.......................

And being brutally honest what I saw Cloggy didn't answer one question.

The comments listed are fair and accurate. An unknown for the Beeb........ Maybe the lack of licence money has already got their attention and they are taking note of the Great British Public.

lol

by Guest Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:45 pm

Sassy wrote:Obviously UKIP headquarters typing overtime rates will be high today

Hate to tell you this Sassy but UKIP, unlike the big three, does not have the money or staff to waste time doing that especially when they dont need to because of the ordinary people doing it for them.

by Guest Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:33 am

gerber wrote:Clegg’s “Facts” Turn Out to Be Fiction

Former Clegg spinmeister Olly Grender had no answer when told by Brillo that, despite the LibDem leader’s assurances, the House of Commons library did not back him up on his claim that only 7% of UK law was made in Brussels. Their figure is actually between 15% and 50%. If you’re going to sell yourself on “leaving the rhetoric aside for a minute and sticking to the facts”, telling porkies might not be the best way to go about it…

http://order-order.com/

Doubley bad as his own team could not help him

Simply counting laws does not consider that some laws have more impact than others.
Quoted figures vary wildly from under 10% to 70%.
It’s possible to justify any measure between about 15% to 50% depending on which definition of ‘UK law’ you look at.

Counting the uncountable
It makes little sense to treat major Acts of Parliament such as the 457 page Health and Social Care Act 2012 which reformed the whole NHS the same as say three page technical regulations on VAT fraud. On the other hand, there’s no way to quantify the importance and impact of laws generally.
So no set of figures can give us a good measure of the influence of the EU on law in the UK, though all sides agree it’s significant.
15 to 50%
In 2010, the House of Commons library published a comprehensive analysis of the variety of ways this percentage can be calculated. There are difficulties with all measurements, but they concluded “it is possible to justify any measure between 15% and 50% or thereabouts”.
The figures depend on which UK law is included in the calculation, and the extent of ‘EU influence’ that we look at. There is no single interpretation of UK law, it can include: Acts put in place by the UK Parliament; rules and regulations drawn up by Ministers; and regulations produced by the EU which apply here in the UK.
A combination of these interpretations results in the following estimates:
1: Acts put in place by UK Parliament with EU influence – accounts for 10-14%
2: Regulations influenced by or related to the EU – accounts for 9-14%
3. EU regulations and regulations influenced by or related to the EU – accounts for 53%
Mix-ups with the European Parliament
Sometimes a figure of 70% is used — including in February 2014 by Viviane Reding  the Vice-President of the European Commission — but this is actually the percentage of EU laws that the European Parliament (elected representatives of each EU country) and the European Council (representatives of the governments of each EU country) have had an equal say on. The rest are either decided solely by the Council, or with Parliament giving the Council consent to them being passed. In other words, it’s the percentage of EU law that the politicians we elect to the European Parliament have as much say on as our national government.
The official position of the European Parliament is that is that “a big portion of the laws adopted by the House of Commons and House of Lords actually are EU-laws that are made into national laws by the national parliaments”. When we asked for their source, they cited the House of Commons Library research we present here as well as examples from elsewhere in Europe.
Acts, UK regulations and EU regulations – what’s the difference?
The first thing to say is that simply counting up the variety of ‘EU influenced’ UK laws, which vary from Acts to protect against terrorism through to regulations on olive growing, does not provide a conclusive picture.
Acts put in place by our Parliament         (10-14%)
The first method considers Acts which have “incorporated a degree of EU influence”. This varies from ones which make only a passing reference to EU obligations to ones where the main purpose of the Act is to implement EU obligations. The lower percentage in this case is reached by looking only at those implementing EU laws or measures.
UK regulations (9-14%)
Most EU regulations or orders do not need our Parliament to pass an Act. The form of law where EU influence shows more is in regulations produced by individual departmental Ministers, which tend to look in more detail at a subject area.
The estimates consist of regulations called Statutory Instruments which are made as part of the European Communities Act – which authorises the Government to implement EU law by Acts or forms of regulations – as well as regulations of the same type which relate to the EU.
EU regulations   (counted with UK regulations, 53%)
Some EU initiatives do not need to be made into laws at a national level, but are implemented through ‘EU regulations’. EU regulations have binding legal force throughout every Member State. This method therefore considers EU regulations alongside the EU-related regulations from method 2.

Aside from problems of definition, these calculations are based on a search of national law databases and the EU’s EUR-Lex database and therefore have immediate problems in terms of how robust the search terms were and whether all ‘laws’ were inputted to the database. Incorporating or excluding EU regulations – some of which relate to things such as olive growing regulations and therefore will not directly impact on the UK – are likely to either overestimate EU influence or underestimate it. Counting these things alone does not tell us enough about where the power lies.
85% in Germany?
There has also been a figure of 85% floated, which seems to originate back to a calculation made in relation to Germany, based on figures provided in the German parliament in 2005. Aside from issues with the calculation itself (which has similar problems to the ones we discuss here), Germany is a federal country whose individual states have significant law-making powers that are not taken account of in calculating the 85%. This makes it very hard to relate the figure to the UK.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587

by Irn Bru Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:34 pm

Nick Clegg';s figure of 7% is near as damn it correct. It's actually 6.8%.

From the HoC Library

In the UK data suggest that from 1997 to 2009 6.8% of primary legislation (Statutes) and 14.1% of secondary legislation (Statutory Instruments) had a role in implementing EU obligations, although the degree of involvement varied from passing reference to explicit implementation. Estimates of the proportion of national laws based on EU laws in other EU Member States vary widely, ranging from around 6% to 84%.

Primary legislation covers an Act of Parliament which is required to implement a new law or amend an existing law.

Secondary legislation covers laws within the boundaries of the Primary legislation so not new law.

The rest of the stuff covers some things that may impact on our laws but they are not binding.

by Guest Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:35 pm

Trust Guido to not be able to find it.

That has to be the most useless blog on the internet.

by Irn Bru Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:38 pm

Sassy wrote:Trust Guido to not be able to find it.

That has to be the most useless blog on the internet.

Well he's a serial drunk driver with convictions for it and a declared bankrupt as well.

Not really the sort person you would think that people would look up to is he?

by Guest Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:45 pm

But he back the conservatives, so they are prepared to overlook that lol

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