Another stolen generation: how Australia still wrecks Aboriginal families

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Another stolen generation: how Australia still wrecks Aboriginal families
The mass removal of Indigenous children from their parents continues unabated – where is the outrage?

The tape is searing. There is the voice of an infant screaming as he is wrenched from his mother, who pleads, "There is nothing wrong with my baby. Why are you doing this to us? I would've been hung years ago, wouldn't I? Because [as an Aboriginal Australian] you're guilty before you're found innocent." The child's grandmother demands to know why "the stealing of our kids is happening all over again". A welfare official says, "I'm gunna take him, mate."

This happened to an Aboriginal family in outback New South Wales. It is happening across Australia in a scandalous and largely unrecognised abuse of human rights that evokes the infamous stolen generation of the last century. Up to the 1970s, thousands of mixed-race children were stolen from their mothers by welfare officials. The children were given to institutions as cheap or slave labour; many were abused.

Described by a chief protector of Aborigines as "breeding out the colour", the policy was known as assimilation. It was influenced by the same eugenics movement that inspired the Nazis. In 1997 a landmark report, Bringing Them Home, disclosed that as many 50,000 children and their mothers had endured "the humiliation, the degradation and sheer brutality of the act of forced separation ... the product of the deliberate, calculated policies of the state". The report called this genocide.

Assimilation remains Australian government policy in all but name. Euphemisms such as "reconciliation" and "Stronger Futures" cover similar social engineering and an enduring, insidious racism in the political elite, the bureaucracy and wider Australian society. When in 2008 prime minister Kevin Rudd apologised for the stolen generation, he added: "I want to be blunt about this. There will be no compensation." The Sydney Morning Herald congratulated Rudd on a "shrewd manoeuvre" that "cleared away a piece of political wreckage in a way that responds to some of its own supporters' emotional needs, yet changes nothing".

Today, the theft of Aboriginal children – including babies taken from the birth table – is now more widespread than at any time during the last century. As of June last year, almost 14,000 Aboriginal children had been "removed". This is five times the number when Bringing Them Home was written. More than a third of all removed children are Aboriginal – from 3% of the population. At the present rate, this mass removal of Aboriginal children will result in a stolen generation of more than 3,300 children in the Northern Territory alone.

Pat (not her real name) is the mother whose anguish was secretly recorded on a phone as four department of child services officials, and six police, descended on her home. On the tape an official claims they have come only for an "assessment". But two of the police officers, who knew Pat, told her they saw no risk to her child and warned her to "get out of here quick". Pat fled, cradling her infant, but the one-year-old was eventually seized without her knowing why. The next morning a police officer returned to apologise to her and said her baby should never have been taken away. Pat has no idea where her son is.

Once she was "invited" by officials to bring her children to "neutral" offices to discuss a "care plan". The doors were locked and officials seized the children, with one of the youngest dragging on a police officer's gun belt. Many Indigenous mothers are unaware of their legal rights. A secretive children's court has become notorious for rubber-stamping removals.

Most Aboriginal families live on the edge. Their life expectancy in towns a short flight from Sydney is as low as 37. Dickensian diseases are rife; Australia is the only developed country not to have eradicated trachoma, which blinds Aboriginal children.

Pat has both complied with and struggled bravely against a punitive bureaucracy that can remove children on hearsay. She has twice been acquitted of false charges, including "kidnapping" her own children. A psychologist has described her as a capable and good mother.

Josie Crawshaw, the former director of a respected families' support organisation in Darwin, told me: "In remote areas, officials will go in with a plane in the early hours and fly the child thousands of kilometres from their community. There'll be no explanation, no support, and the child may be gone forever."

In 2012 the co-ordinator general of remote services for the Northern Territory, Olga Havnen, was sacked when she revealed that almost A$80m (£44m) was spent on the surveillance and removal of Aboriginal children compared with only A$500,000 (£275,000) on supporting the same impoverished families. She told me: "The primary reasons for removing children are welfare issues directly related to poverty and inequality. The impact is just horrendous because if they are not reunited within six months, it's likely they won't see each other again. If South Africa was doing this, there'd be an international outcry."

She and others with long experience I have interviewed have echoed the Bringing them Home report, which described an official "attitude" in Australia that regarded all Aboriginal people as "morally deficient". A department of family and community services spokesman said that most removed Indigenous children in New South Wales were placed with Indigenous carers. According to Indigenous support networks, this is a smokescreen; it does not mean families, and it is control by divisiveness that is the bureaucracy's real achievement.

I met a group of Aboriginal grandmothers, all survivors of the first stolen generation, all now with stolen grandchildren. "We live in a state of fear, again," they said. David Shoebridge, a state Greens MP, told me: "The truth is, there is a market among whites for these kids, especially babies."

The New South Wales parliament is soon to debate legislation that introduces forced adoption and "guardianship". Children under two years old will be liable – without the mother's consent – if "removed" for more than six months. For many Aboriginal mothers like Pat, it can take six months merely to make contact with their children. "It's setting up Aboriginal families to fail," said Shoebridge.

I asked Josie Crawshaw why. "The wilful ignorance in Australia about its first people has now become the kind of intolerance that gets to the point where you can smash an entire group of humanity and there is no fuss."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families

Bee will tell you this doesn't happen. The evidence will tell you it does.

Australia, the mother of all jailers of Aboriginal people
by Gerry Georgatos
November 22nd, 2013

Lo and behold, Australian prison numbers are on the increase, record high – and Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples now comprise nearly one in three of all prisoners. 30 per cent of the Australian prison population is made up of Aboriginal peoples, up from the much touted 26 per cent, the more than one in four of all prisoners. As a researcher in custodial systems and as a prison reform advocate I predicted the rise, accurately. I have also predicted that the Australian prison population will near double by 2020 and that one in two prisoners will identify as Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander persons.

Our custodial systems are in disarray – with the Australian prison population now over 31,000, having doubled from 15,000 in 1992 to 30,000 in 2012 – and the imprisonment of Aboriginal peoples having skyrocketed from 1 in 7 of all prisoners in 1992 to 1 in 4 in 2012 and now to nearly 1 in 3. More than 8,500 of our prison population are ATSI peoples. Western Australian prisons hold more than 2,000 of the 8,500 ATSI prisoners. WA incarcerates Aboriginal peoples at the highest rate in the nation, indeed, from a racial measure, at the highest rate in the world.

One Government report after another argues that the Close the Gap is being bridged, that there are improvements in a number of indicators, but they cannot be a true reflection of ATSI peoples if incarceration rates say otherwise, if the rate of premature deaths say otherwise – one in three Aboriginal persons in Australia is dead before the age of 45 years. They cannot be a true reflection if more than one in four Aboriginal persons die by suicide each year. There is quite a con job going on to make us think otherwise. But any con job or rose-coloured glasses only means that honest discussions and the national conversations that need to happen are not happening.

The penal estate is a pronounced failure. The criminal justice system is a broken system. The penal estate will need to build many more prisons to accommodate the doubling of the prison population every decade. If it needs to keep on building more prisons, then it is a broken system. If one in every 70 Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people in this nation are in jail at any given time then the criminal justice system is broken. But if the criminal justice system is broken hence the Government that underwrites is broken. There is a self-evident failure by Governments to identify and address the underlying issues that drive these horrific offending, arrest and imprisonment rates. If you wish to know the heart and minds of a nation, of its legislators, then on any day or night look into its prisons, and you will know the heart and minds of our legislators, and of the soul of the national consciousness.

It is well beyond time for restorative justice practices – restorations to impoverished communities, the reduction of extreme poverty – restoration of human worth, the bona fide belief in improving the lives of others, the working with others psychosocially and tangibly rather than in bundling them into a labyrinth of cold dank cells, out of sight, out of mind for a period of time.

When we assist someone in need, someone in trouble, someone who is wayward, someone in the abject morass of tumult, we help not only that individual but also that person’s family, that family’s extended families, and that person’s legacy to his/her children, we help society as a whole. The cost in doing this is cheaper and leaps and bounds more beneficial, in the short-term and long-term, than the more than $100,000 per annum it costs to upkeep someone in a cold dank cell. Let us always consider the evident unreported costs on families, communities, society when we insist on gearing someone only to the presumption of a life of crime, and to familial dysfunction. Personal responsibility is one thing, but this personal responsibility business belongs also to Governments and society.

The penal estate should be a haven of psychosocial services, elementary and higher education opportunities, havens of wellbeing opportunities, havens of employment skills training – the penal estate where it is to exist should be no less. Redemption and friendship are core of any genuine humanity. How we treat the most vulnerable and at-risk in our prisons will tell us not only about who we are but of the society that we can have.

In my experience on average people come out of prison worse than they went in.

The penal estate is a failed experiment in the deterrence of crime – minor offences or otherwise. 15 years ago, I predicted the doubling of the prison population. Whereas the prison population will double by 2020, the Corrective Services budget will triple. Do we want to become like the mother of all jailers, the United States of America, which imprisons at any one time one per cent of its total prison population? Three million Americans languish in their prisons.

Prison is a predatory place of manifest traumas, multiple traumas, high-end traumas, myriad clinical disorders, cumulative and definitive breakdowns, various depressions, irrecoverable predicaments, disenfranchisement of one from any semblance of self-esteem, cumulative anxieties and situational traumas lagging into continuing stress disorders and disassociated behaviours. People need to be respectfully and patiently cared for and worked with, for them to respond positively. In doing so, this in turn will ensure the majority of those worked with will not re-offend and instead will more than likely consummate productive working and ethical lives.

There must be an acknowledgment of the premise that for every perpetrator of unlawful and immoral acts there is a victim or the plurality of victims. Rather than locking up someone for a period of time to remove that person as risk to society we can work to end the prospect of that person from ever perpetrating another wrong.

We should not countenance the proposition that it is okay for our prison populations to double – for the prison population to outpace the rate of growth of the nation’s total population. Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander female prisoners increased by 12 per cent in the last year, and Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander male prisoners by 8 per cent. Overall, there is a 6 per cent national prison population increase according to Australian Corrective Services.

The wakeup call for Commonwealth, State and Territory Governments is here – it is time to understand our custodial systems and our sentencing regimes – that they are debacle with more crises in the making. We need to recognise that we have to move away from draconian lock-em cultures and instead inquire into and establish restorative justice practices. Where prisons are needed they should not be harsh environments that only fracture humanity and ensure high re-offending rates. And where the criminal justice system can prevent people from sentencing offenders to jail sentences then it should do so, instead connecting them with support services and people who have been prepared and up-skilled to help them.

The latest quarterly report on Corrective Services released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics describes deplorable rises in jail numbers and imprisonment rates. That Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples now comprise exactly 30 per cent of the prison population should cause us all to hang our heads in collective shame – how the hell did we allow for this disgraceful predicament? It was majorly because of racism – racism by neglect. It was partly because we are a selfish society, bent on our own personal advancement in the world’s wealthiest nation per capita, in the world’s 12th largest economy and that in this merit-based race that we live in, we have learned to not give a damn about those who lag way behind – we disassociate. We have been taught to look ahead and to reach out for as much as possible for our limited moral circle of concern, for ourselves only, and rarely to look over a shoulder or to stop and see those who we have left behind We have abandoned those who need a helping hand. Therefore we too perpetrate crime and make victims. Our victims finish up in our jails, it’s a vicious cycle.

In this nation, we have 110,000 people who are reported as homeless. We have 600,000 children who live in poverty. We have 18,000 children under the age of 12 years who are homeless.

We have more than 100,000 Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander people living in third-world-akin conditions. In the Kimberley, 7 per cent of the region’s population is homeless, 90 per cent of that homelessness is of Aboriginal peoples.

We have no patience for people who get in the way of our increasing merit-based society– the number of unsentenced prisoners – remandees – increased by more than 11 per cent, making them 25 per cent of Australia’s prisoners – this is the highest proportion ever recorded. Four decades ago, the proportion of prisoners who were on remand was 10 per cent. Just lock-em up is the new norm, the no-patience mantra.

The shocking fact is that despite drops in property crime, despite drops in all forms of theft, our prison numbers are skyrocketing! People are being sentenced for a myriad of minor offences – disorderly conduct, misdemeanours, for not being able to pay fines, etc. Imprisonment in itself does not deter crime, have a good look at the Northern Territory and Western Australia. The Northern Territory with the highest imprisonment rate in general in the nation has the highest crime rate, not the lowest. So how does imprisoning people willy-nilly lower the crime rate? It does not. In Western Australia, Aboriginal peoples are imprisoned at the highest disproportionate rates in the nation – the majority of them are not imprisoned for property crime.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics Corrective Services report  showed the number of Aboriginal men in prison had risen by 8 per cent, and women by 12 per cent in the past year, compared to a national prison population increase of 6 per cent.

The Government has made a recent commitment to making justice targets as part of the Close The Gap initiative but both this commitment and the Close The Gap are tragically a total joke. The Government wants to include justice targets in the Close The Gap monitoring but at the same time is pushing ahead to cut funding to the Aboriginal Legal Services by $42 million.

At the end of the September quarter 2013, the monthly average over the last year was 31,143 persons in full-time custody and 55,065 persons in community-based corrections. This is an increase of 1,751 persons (6 per cent) in full-time custody and an increase of 584 persons (1.1 per cent) in community-based corrections. During the September quarter 2013 alone, the average daily number of full-time prisoners in Australia was 31,229. This is an increase of 417 (1 per cent) from the June quarter 2013. This does not augur well for this time next year.

Nationally, in terms of rates per 100,000 adults, the imprisonment rate is 175 prisoners per 100,000 adult population. The Northern Territory has the highest imprisonment rate – 814 prisoners per 100,000 adult population. Western Australia is the next highest at 256 per 100,000 adult population. Western Australia’s rate is thereabouts double or more than the rest of the Australian jurisdictions.

Nationally, end of September there were 8,551 Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander peoples as prisoners – 7,753 males and 798 females. The total Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander population aged 18 years and over is only 2 per cent of the Australian population. The national average of ATSI imprisonment is now at 2,369 per 100,000 ATSI adult population. But for ATSI adult males the rate increased by 5 per cent on the previous year, to 4,384 per 100,000 ATSI adult males. This rate is the highest in the world, and nearly six times the rate black adult males were jailed at in the last years of apartheid in South Africa.

Corrective Services Australia reported that in terms of jurisdiction, the highest Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander imprisonment rate end of September was recorded in Western Australia – and my own comparative data research found that the Western Australian rate is nine times the rate at which apartheid South Africa jailed its black people.

Where America is the mother of all jailers, Australia is the mother of all jailers of Aboriginal peoples.

http://thestringer.com.au/australia-the-mother-of-all-jailers-of-aboriginal-people/#.UzDXGM5Anhc


That doesn't make you think?   Or are you just going to come out with the line that all aboriginals have a criminal mentality.   Bit like the Americans used to say about black people.

Strikes me some Australians, and it appears that you and Bee are part of the 'some', are happy to tell other countries what's wrong in their back yard, but can't take the heat when told about your own. Luckily, there are many Australian journalists who don't agree with you.

Sassy wrote:
It doesn't say Western NSW is close the Sydney.   It says:

Their life expectancy in towns a short flight from Sydney is as low as 37.   The sentence doesn't mention Western NSW, that was in a different paragraph.

Are you telling me that Australia cannot build decent homes and facilities with air conditioning in these places, after all, the country was theirs?

 

AND THE ignorant and stupid lying bullshit rants from Sassy just keep on flowing on and on...

PROVING once again that not only doesn't Sassy have a clue about what is happening down here..

BUT NOW the demented madwoman can't even remember what she wrote only a couple of posts ago ! ::drnkpst::

AND as for your "decent homes..", you ignorantly stupid know-nothing moron ~ all of those inland Aborigines are suppied with modern homes and facilities. BUT they can't be forced to use them.. And as for those that rip the floors up to use as firewood..

NOT THAT Sassy cares one hoot about the First Peoples in any country ~ ALL that Sassy is interested in here is her continuing "One Upmanship" !    

How silly, pick up a post from yesterday about another link and try to pretend it is about this one.

What a tit!

SO SCUMBAG, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO POST THE LIST OF SO CALLED LIES ON THE AIRCRAFT THREAD? I'LL SEE TOMORROW WHAT YOU HAVE MANAGED.

OurResidentForumMadwoman wrote:
"Strikes me some Australians, and it appears that you and Bee are part of the 'some', are happy to tell other countries what's wrong in their back yard, but can't take the heat when told about your own. Luckily, there are many Australian journalists who don't agree with you."

   

FIRSTLY, Sassy hasn't actually told us "what's wrong in (our) back yard.. " ~ but only rehashed lies from a measly handful of expat and foreign racists out for a spot of 'Aussie bashing'.

SECONDLY, Sassy hasn't presented us with any genuine Aussie investigative journalists as yet ~ but rather a pathetic bunch of expat' commentators, foreign know-nothings, and rancid home-grown bloggers, wannabes and political stirrers..

THIRDLY, Sassy exposes her own true self-centred, demented and deranged personal agenda, with her lying b/s claim that Veya and I somehow don't want to know about her "truths" about our own country !   :\\:[: 
I'LL just tell that laughable nonsense to my Aboriginal cousins, shall I ?  

Sassy wrote:Support them in keeping the kids under control.

LOLZ

LOLZ

You have never spoken to an aboriginal                  


And Sassy What do you do when the parents tell you to 'FUCK OFF ----' then throw the empty booze bottles, While Yelling at their Kids "NEVER LISTEN TO CUNTS LIKE THAT"  

It is multi generational the Parents are Alcoholics themselves, Plus the legacy of colonialism is they don't really trust authority. That is Why when ever one (like Cathy Freeman, Adam Goods, Debra Mailman etc) comes along that does have potential we as a community need to support them to give Aboriginal kids a positive example some thing to dream and strive towards. We must help those that want help and where that help will grow and nurture.

 

NOT ONLY has Sassy obviously never met a genuine Aboriginal Aussie, but I doubt that she would ever recognise one if she tripped over him, her or them !

EVERY TIME Sassy insults Australia on here, and constantly attempts to portray all Aussies as something she calls "casual racists", all that she is really doing is further exposing her own narrow-miinded and wicked intentions..

(NEVER MIND that I'm part-Aboriginal myself ~ so everytime Sassy abuses us on here, I consider that she's openly abusing my indigenous cousins as well, by natural extension..).

You know what sassy we could take it if it was true or fair but it is not.

I could do what you are doing and go to the worst ghettos of America and take a sample of Black people from there and then say ALL African Americans Are like this they all have these issues they all are jobless drug addicted alcoholics. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING
Ever think the list of issues is a list of issue for Alcoholics and drug addicts? Maybe that is the root issue and not the fact they are aboriginal. Like I have said Multiple times there are Far more examples of Aboriginals Successfully assimilated into productive society...... but they don't get in the media.


AND You Brits Whine about all your problems so obviously we are going to offer solutions, Do you see me and Bee saying "Woe to Australia we have too many Immigrants" you will see us Whine about our politicians but not much else       

veya_victaous wrote:

AND You Brits Whine about all your problems so obviously we are going to offer solutions, Do you see me and Bee saying "Woe to Australia we have too many Immigrants" you will see us Whine about our politicians but not much else       

  

AND Gina Rinehart...   

   YESTERDAY the brainless drunkard prick wot calls 'imself "nicko" did take it upon his miserable selfness as to repeat the earlier Shady/BigAndy/Drinky lies that there are supposedly some mysterious secret and hidden "slums" in and around Sydney ~ that apparerntly only they know the locations of !!!

Veya has stated previously that he isn't aware of any such "slums" being found yet down there around his home town; whilst I can also confirm that I have never seen any such "slums" during my travels out and about among various regional areas..

WHEN put upon and challenged to tell us where these supposed secret "slums" are located, all three   dickWhackers have so far failed to provide any evidence to back their rancid lies !

NO real surprises there, is there folks ~ that racist prick "nicko" likes to prove that he really is "as thick as three short planks..".

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Lone Wolf wrote: 

YESTERDAY the brainless drunkard prick wot calls 'imself "nicko" did take it upon his miserable selfness as to repeat the earlier Shady/Drinky lies that there are supposedly some mysterious secret and hidden "slums" in and around Sydney ~ that appaerntly only they of !!!

Veya has stated previously that he isn't aware of any such "slums" being found yet down there around his home town; whilst I can also confirm that I have never seen any such "slums" during my travels out and about among various regional areas..

WHEN put upon and challenged to tell us here these supposed secret "slums" are located, all three   dickWhackers have so far failed to provide any evidence to back their rancid lies !

NO real surprises there, is there folks ~ that racist prick "nicko" likes to prove that he really is "as thick as three short planks..".

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I now look forward to your mental posts.

 

YOU, "nicko" and Tommy Monk have already shown us a few examples of your own brands of mentally deranged posts across the board in recent days, Andy !

  

Lone Wolf wrote: 

YOU, "nicko" and Tommy Monk have already shown us a few examples of your own brands of mentally deranged posts across the board in recent days, Andy !

  

I think the majority of posters (English ones) will show sympathy for the way me, nicko, smelly and Tommy feel, and will share our concerns.

bum keeper really wants to be an English man,thats why he keeps telling us how to behave,he sits in his filthy old shack holding his 10th can of fosters, [he's drunk all the 4x]while thinking up more pathetic rants again'st sassy and me.i wonder if he's ever sober? what a wanker lol

veya_victaous wrote:You know what sassy we could take it if it was true or fair but it is not.

I could do what you are doing and go to the worst ghettos of America and take a sample of Black people from there and then say ALL African Americans Are like this they all have these issues they all are jobless drug addicted alcoholics. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING
Ever think the list of issues is a list of issue for Alcoholics and drug addicts? Maybe that is the root issue and not the fact they are aboriginal. Like I have said Multiple times there are Far more examples of Aboriginals Successfully assimilated into productive society...... but they don't get in the media.


AND You Brits Whine about all your problems so obviously we are going to offer solutions, Do you see me and Bee saying "Woe to Australia we have too many Immigrants" you will see us Whine about our politicians but not much else       

you can have them all then if you love them so much  ::D:: 

beekeeper,please show where I've said anything racist. Is it racist to call you a pissed up Aussie?

veya_victaous wrote:You know what sassy we could take it if it was true or fair but it is not.

I could do what you are doing and go to the worst ghettos of America and take a sample of Black people from there and then say ALL African Americans Are like this they all have these issues they all are jobless drug addicted alcoholics. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING
Ever think the list of issues is a list of issue for Alcoholics and drug addicts? Maybe that is the root issue and not the fact they are aboriginal. Like I have said Multiple times there are Far more examples of Aboriginals Successfully assimilated into productive society...... but they don't get in the media.


AND You Brits Whine about all your problems so obviously we are going to offer solutions, Do you see me and Bee saying "Woe to Australia we have too many Immigrants" you will see us Whine about our politicians but not much else       

Didn't notice this before Veya

1. You will never get me whining about immigrants.

2. Yes, you have many aboriginal people who have been integrated into the system, but you also have a very large part of them that are treated like dirt and Australia as a whole sticks its head in the sand about it and refuses to acknowledge it. And many Australian journalists agree.

Sassy wrote:.............................................

2.   Yes, you have many aboriginal people who have been integrated into the system, but you also have a very large part of them that are treated like dirt and Australia as a whole sticks its head in the sand about it and refuses to acknowledge it.   And many Australian journalists agree.

 
 MORE Sassy Bullshit !!! from the Queen of Bulldust herself...

"a large part of them are treated like dirt.."  ~ all that Sassy has every produced are a handful of cases from th last three decades.. She has never shown any evidence that a "large part" is being systematically discriminatred against !

BECAUSE she simply can't do so..

"Australia as a whole sticks its head in the sand about it and refuses to acknowledge it.." ~ this is Sassy's ongoing and rancid BIG LIE ~ that she has been using for the past year or more to slander and libel Australian and all Australian citizens. Especially all of the native-born Aussies..

AND Sassy keeps on refusing to face up to her own inherent "casual racism" in all of these arrogant lies she keeps spouting on here..

"And many Australian journalists agree.." ~ yet another of Sassy's onngoing big lies, that she uses to attack Australia with on a regular basis...

ALL that Sassy has managed to show us properly so far, is a couple of disgruntled bloggers, a couple of bigotted foreign commentators, and a handful of expat has-been journo's such as John Pilger nursing a rampant hatred for their former homeland..

GIVE IT a rest, Sassy ~ over a year now, and STILL you have only ever failed to sustain any of your fallacious claims !

Is that so? Take your head out of the sand:

Wednesday, March 26, 2014
How we can do better on Aboriginal imprisonment
You don't need me to tell you that in a country such as America, with all its history of racial conflict, the rate of imprisonment for African-Americans is far higher than the rate for whites. Twelve times higher, in fact. But you may need me to tell you we make the Yanks look good. Our rate of indigenous imprisonment is 18 times that for the rest of us.

Aborigines make up 2.5 per cent of the Australian adult population, but account for 26 per cent of all adult Australian prisoners.

http://www.rossgittins.com/2014/03/how-we-can-do-better-on-aboriginal.html

Prison rates highest in Western Australia

Western Australia always had a higher incarceration rate of Aboriginal people compared to the rest of Australia, and rates have nearly doubled between 1990 and 2010 [15].

A parliamentary report in 2010 found the rate of Aboriginal people jailed per 100,000 people in Western Australia was 2,483, while the figure for African Americans in the United States is 2,290 [15]. In March 2009 Western Australia’s rate was 3,741 [23].

Western Australia incarcerates the Aboriginal peoples of its State at 9 times the rate of Apartheid South Africa.—Gerry Georgatos, Human Rights Alliance, Perth [18]

What you cannot get away from is that the rate of Indigenous imprisonment in Western Australia is far greater than anywhere else in the country and indeed it compares with the worst rates of imprisonment, of African Americans in the United States.—Bob Debus, chair of the federal inquiry into the over-representation of Indigenous young people in the criminal justice system [13]

Perth based academic, prison reform advocate and restorative justice specialist Dr Brian Steels suggests that Western Australia’s high prison rates could be related to the “frontier mentality” of police or racism [34].

Read more: http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginal-prison-rates#ixzz2xR7BpGoG


Now stick your head back in the sand bucket.

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IGNORANT Know-nothing lying Psycho' stalker...

 :/pwn://:

Yep, that just about sums you views to fact up. That sand bucket must be huge.

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Sassy's on the sauce again !!!  ::drnkpst:: 


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Sand, bucket, your head buried deep.

Haven't even had a glass of wine since the chemo to help with the getting better, you are just a prat.   In fact prat is giving you far to much credit.

Now take your medication, it's obviously overdue.

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SENILE old duffer, she be !!!!

Her rancid and tiresome old lies just flow like water...  ::lies:: 

 ::dunno:: 

Yep, definitely late with your medication.

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SILLY old fallacious sausage,  Sassy...

and sunstroke? Not having a good day are you?

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Dopey and ignorant old duffer !!!

Really has no idea, has she, veya !   

Please carry on, as the village idiot you provide so much comedy value.

         

YO ! VEYA !! And any other still-free-thinking members left out there...

NOTICE how Sassy refuses to even acknowledge the British Government's murder of more than 150,000 Australian Aborigines to make way for Scottish and English grazing companies during the 18th and 19th centuries ?

HAVE to really wonder just why Sassy isn't demanding that the British Government immediately compensates the American, Australian, Canadian and Indian "native born" indigenous folks for all of that killing, slavery, child abductions and theft that followed their English-led invasions of these far-flung "colonies"..

BUT instead she constantly attempts to redirect blame and responsibilty onto the current-day governments of these now-independent countries. Such as with this thread...   

How wrong can you get. I have always acknowledged it and condemned it. However, it's the Australians who won't acknowledge what they are doing now. And I also acknowledge and condemn what Britain has done to other countries and have supported the Kenyans getting compensation for disgusting things we did there in the 1950s.

Now, please take the medication.

Lone Wolf wrote:         

YO !  VEYA !!  And any other still-free-thinking members left out there...

NOTICE how Sassy refuses to even acknowledge the British Government's murder of more than 150,000 Australian Aborigines to make way for Scottish and English grazing companies during the 18th and 19th centuries ?

HAVE to really wonder just why Sassy isn't demanding that the British Government immediately compensates the American, Australian, Canadian and Indian "native born" indigenous folks for all of that killing, slavery, child abductions and theft that followed their English-led invasions of these far-flung "colonies"..

BUT instead she constantly attempts to redirect blame and responsibilty onto the current-day governments of these now-independent countries. Such as with this thread...       

Bee, both Sass and I (and Nems if the truth was known) has said that it was originally  the British that first abused the Aborigines . Alas there's no getting away from it, they were YOUR forefathers.
Also, this amount of hostility just ain't right.
Either get a life or a good psychiatrist. Lone Wolf =   Lonely, Sad and sick little   puppy.  

bee does not like the british, someone must have been very nasty to him [poor thing] I think he secretly wants to be back in Britain.you know what they say, METHINKS HE COMPLAINS TOO MUCH, he's all ways running us down.

Stephenmarra wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:         

YO !  VEYA !!  And any other still-free-thinking members left out there...

NOTICE how Sassy refuses to even acknowledge the British Government's murder of more than 150,000 Australian Aborigines to make way for Scottish and English grazing companies during the 18th and 19th centuries ?

HAVE to really wonder just why Sassy isn't demanding that the British Government immediately compensates the American, Australian, Canadian and Indian "native born" indigenous folks for all of that killing, slavery, child abductions and theft that followed their English-led invasions of these far-flung "colonies"..

BUT instead she constantly attempts to redirect blame and responsibilty onto the current-day governments of these now-independent countries. Such as with this thread...       

Bee, both Sass and I (and Nems if the truth was known) has said that it was originally  the British that first abused the Aborigines . Alas there's no getting away from it, they were YOUR forefathers.
Also, this amount of hostility just ain't right.
Either get a life or a good psychiatrist. Lone Wolf =   Lonely, Sad and sick little   puppy.  

Not entirely sure what that means Stephen.
I have in the past made my views on the treatment of the Australian aborigine very clear.

I see no point in participating in this thread which is just another mud slinging cut and paste excuse to slag one another off.

perhaps some poster on here can give an explanation what is wrong with beekeeper? he constantly posts insults when there is no reason for them,he comes across as an hate filled bigot giving sassy a hard time in almost every post. why is he like this? I will insult him back but it's getting tiresome now.

I know what you mean, it was a serious thread but Bee just started his normal. How dare anyone criticise Australia in any way.

Nems wrote:

Stephenmarra wrote:



Bee, both Sass and I (and Nems if the truth was known) has said that it was originally  the British that first abused the Aborigines . Alas there's no getting away from it, they were YOUR forefathers.
Also, this amount of hostility just ain't right.
Either get a life or a good psychiatrist. Lone Wolf =   Lonely, Sad and sick little   puppy.  

Not entirely sure what that means Stephen.
I have in the past made my views on the treatment of the Australian aborigine very clear.

I see no point in participating in this thread which is just another mud slinging cut and paste excuse to slag one another off.

You know exactly what I mean Nems, to say I'm disappointed  in you is an understatement at best.   
You have criticised Phil's posts (and rightly so) but Bee's posts to eddie, Tass, and M'Lord's recently deceased wife wich was pointed out to him and no apology was for~coming . All I can say is  you are one sad puppy. Sorry.  

Stephenmarra wrote:

Nems wrote:

Not entirely sure what that means Stephen.
I have in the past made my views on the treatment of the Australian aborigine very clear.

I see no point in participating in this thread which is just another mud slinging cut and paste excuse to slag one another off.

You know exactly what I mean Nems, to say I'm disappointed  in you is an understatement at best.   
You have criticised Phil's posts (and rightly so) but Bee's posts to eddie, Tass, and M'Lord's recently deceased wife wich was pointed out to him and no apology was for~coming . All I can say is  you are one sad puppy. Sorry.  

You show me where I have ever supported any of Bee statements as you detail above?

As it goes I have Pmd Quill asking if Bee is OK because in my opinion he is far from it. So what would be gained by me piling on to slag him off? Jesus H christ Stephen why does every thing have to be done in little gangs? I didnt notice you taking Phil or Sassy to task over their treatment of me. Would you like to explain why? Or are you the sad puppy?

Nems wrote:

Stephenmarra wrote:


You know exactly what I mean Nems, to say I'm disappointed  in you is an understatement at best.   
You have criticised Phil's posts (and rightly so) but Bee's posts to eddie, Tass, and M'Lord's recently deceased wife wich was pointed out to him and no apology was for~coming . All I can say is  you are one sad puppy. Sorry.  

You show me where I have ever supported any of Bee statements as you detail above?

As it goes I have Pmd Quill asking if Bee is OK because in my opinion he is far from it. So what would be gained by me piling on to slag him off? Jesus H christ Stephen why does every thing have to be done in little gangs? I didnt notice you taking Phil or Sassy to task over their treatment of me. Would you like to explain why? Or are you the sad puppy?

Sorry Nems but your absence of comment speaks volumes, I don't do gangs I just agree or disagree with what I see as right and post as such and Bee is one sad puppy.

Stephenmarra wrote:

Nems wrote:

You show me where I have ever supported any of Bee statements as you detail above?

As it goes I have Pmd Quill asking if Bee is OK because in my opinion he is far from it. So what would be gained by me piling on to slag him off? Jesus H christ Stephen why does every thing have to be done in little gangs? I didnt notice you taking Phil or Sassy to task over their treatment of me. Would you like to explain why? Or are you the sad puppy?

Sorry Nems but your absence of comment speaks volumes, I don't do gangs I just agree or disagree with what I see as right and post as such and Bee is one sad puppy.

Sorry Stephen thats not how it appears. And you didnt answer my question, why no howls of outrage at whats been said to me?

Nems wrote:

Stephenmarra wrote:


You know exactly what I mean Nems, to say I'm disappointed  in you is an understatement at best.   
You have criticised Phil's posts (and rightly so) but Bee's posts to eddie, Tass, and M'Lord's recently deceased wife wich was pointed out to him and no apology was for~coming . All I can say is  you are one sad puppy. Sorry.  

You show me where I have ever supported any of Bee statements as you detail above?

As it goes I have Pmd Quill asking if Bee is OK because in my opinion he is far from it. So what would be gained by me piling on to slag him off? Jesus H christ Stephen why does every thing have to be done in little gangs? I didnt notice you taking Phil or Sassy to task over their treatment of me. Would you like to explain why? Or are you the sad puppy?

Not quite sure why you are worried about there being something the matter with Bee, when he used exactly the same kind of language to you, about the same subject on Speak, when you actually voiced an opinion.

Sassy wrote:

Nems wrote:

You show me where I have ever supported any of Bee statements as you detail above?

As it goes I have Pmd Quill asking if Bee is OK because in my opinion he is far from it. So what would be gained by me piling on to slag him off? Jesus H christ Stephen why does every thing have to be done in little gangs? I didnt notice you taking Phil or Sassy to task over their treatment of me. Would you like to explain why? Or are you the sad puppy?

Not quite sure why you are worried about there being something the matter with Bee, when he used exactly the same kind of language to you, about the same subject on Speak, when you actually voiced an opinion.

And you have the temerity to accuse me of stirring

Nems wrote:

Stephenmarra wrote:

Sorry Nems but your absence of comment speaks volumes, I don't do gangs I just agree or disagree with what I see as right and post as such and Bee is one sad puppy.

Sorry Stephen thats not how it appears. And you didnt answer my question, why no howls of outrage at whats been said to me?

.....It's all about you, isn't it!!!!  ::zomb:: 

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Catman wrote:

Nems wrote:

Sorry Stephen thats not how it appears. And you didnt answer my question, why no howls of outrage at whats been said to me?

.....It's all about you, isn't it!!!!  ::zomb:: 

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Do you see stephen?!

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Not quite sure why you are worried about there being something the matter with Bee, when he used exactly the same kind of language to you, about the same subject on Speak, when you actually voiced an opinion.

And you have the temerity to accuse me of stirring

Rubbish, you are trying to show that what Bee is doing is out of character.   I'm pointing out it's been his character for a long time.

The difference is, then you were honest and voiced your opinion. Now you will do anything to keep in with Quill and Bee.

There has always been a clique!

  

Sassy wrote:

Nems wrote:

And you have the temerity to accuse me of stirring

Rubbish, you are trying to show that what Bee is doing is out of character.   I'm pointing out it's been his character for a long time.

The difference is, then you were honest and voiced your opinion.   Now you will do anything to keep in with Quill and Bee.

Oh do grow up Sassy

Nems wrote:

Sassy wrote:

Rubbish, you are trying to show that what Bee is doing is out of character.   I'm pointing out it's been his character for a long time.

The difference is, then you were honest and voiced your opinion.   Now you will do anything to keep in with Quill and Bee.

Oh do grow up Sassy

Oh I think that is what you need to do and have the strength of character to say what you really think on the subject, instead of pussyfooting around it.

Nems wrote:

Catman wrote:

.....It's all about you, isn't it!!!!  ::zomb:: 

 ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/:

Do you see stephen?!

Aye the mans a prat but as I say I don't do gangs. 

Sassy wrote:

Nems wrote:

Oh do grow up Sassy

Oh I think that is what you need to do and have the strength of character to say what you really think on the subject, instead of pussyfooting around it.

ok I think you are a complete bitch who wouldnt know friendship if you fell over it. I think all that matters to you is manipulating the men on here, because you think it makes you clever.
I think you need to have a long hard look at where you are in your life and why.
I also think you should switch off the computer and try reality once in a while.

As for Australia I think the aborigines were treated like shit, but I also take on board the points made by those that live there, you cant build them a house and stick some air con in ffs. they are still tribal. You have no concept of what its like. The scale of the landscape, the terrain, the temperature, they live underground for a reason you know. Your little stereotype of what an aborigine should be doesnt exist outside your mind. They should be given autonomy over all the ancestral lands and the sacred sites of the Dreamtime and left in bloody peace.
Just because you watched neighbours doesnt make you an expert on Australians you arrogant, conceited mare

Excuse me - aren't you the one who broke our friendship, weren't you the one who called me allsorts and I never have worked out why.   Didn't I phone you to try and sort it out?   You are the one who wouldn't know friendship and I've never watched Neighbours in my life.   I have watched quite a lot of stuff made by aboriginals themselves, and my, haven't you changed your tune, bending over backwards to accommodate Bee.   Must be very painful.

I've never said all aboriginals, but there are a very large number who are treated like shit, which you always said, but can't bring yourself to be honest anymore.

And I don't manipulate anyone, they all have brains and can work things out for themselves. It seems that the same can't be said for you when it comes to Quill.