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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:53 pm

OOOOPS.........,


A torpedo has been fired accidentally by a Royal Navy warship into a dockyard wharf.

HMS Argyll was on a training exercise at Devonport dockyard in Plymouth when the dummy weapon was "jettisoned unexpectedly".

The Royal Navy said the Test Variant Torpedo did not contain explosives and no one was on the jetty at the time.

There were no injuries but it caused minor damage to a security fence when it landed inside the Devonport Naval Base, which the ship was alongside.

http://news.sky.com/story/1226196/torpedo-fired-by-navy-into-plymouth-dockyard

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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:57 pm

Bloody good job there were no explosives in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:04 pm

somebodys gonna get their bum slapped....

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Post by gerber Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:05 pm

Shady you are keeping a very low profile........
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:53 pm

Just noticed this!

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 lol! lol! lol! lol! 

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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Mar 14, 2014 10:55 pm

Hell, in the U.S. we nearly nuked ourselves one time!

"One simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe."

That is the blunt 1969 assessment of Parker F. Jones, the then supervisor of the nuclear weapons safety department at Sandia National Laboratories, in a newly declassified document that sheds light on a 1961 accident in which the United States almost nuked North Carolina.

The document was given to The Guardian today by author Eric Schlosser, who came upon the document doing research for a new book.

The story of Goldsboro, N.C. is well known. It was the Cold War and the U.S. had B-52 bombers in the air as a precaution, ready to strike if the Soviet Union made a move. As Rudolph Herzog explained it in his book A Short History of Nuclear Folly, one of the B-52s was carrying two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs, which are many times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Like the others, the B-52 flew huge circles around the U.S. and the Atlantic, needing to be refueled along the way.

The plane had reported an oil leak in its left motor.

"The third time [it was filled up], a filler neck broke off the plane ... and kerosene began pouring from its right wing," Herzog writes.

To make a long story short, the plane disintegrated and the two bombs fell from the sky onto American soil.

As The Guardian reports in its piece about the document that the "U.S. government has repeatedly publicly denied that its nuclear arsenal has ever put Americans' lives in jeopardy through safety flaws."

But this document says that in the Goldsboro incident, the U.S. was one step away from a massive nuclear disaster.

To be fair, as Herzog notes in his book, former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara did say in 1983 that the bomb had gone through six of the seven steps needed for detonation.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/20/224514980/doc-sheds-new-light-on-the-time-the-u-s-almost-nuked-itself
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Post by gerber Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:00 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:Hell, in the U.S. we nearly nuked ourselves one time!

"One simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe."

That is the blunt 1969 assessment of Parker F. Jones, the then supervisor of the nuclear weapons safety department at Sandia National Laboratories, in a newly declassified document that sheds light on a 1961 accident in which the United States almost nuked North Carolina.

The document was given to The Guardian today by author Eric Schlosser, who came upon the document doing research for a new book.

The story of Goldsboro, N.C. is well known. It was the Cold War and the U.S. had B-52 bombers in the air as a precaution, ready to strike if the Soviet Union made a move. As Rudolph Herzog explained it in his book A Short History of Nuclear Folly, one of the B-52s was carrying two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs, which are many times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Like the others, the B-52 flew huge circles around the U.S. and the Atlantic, needing to be refueled along the way.

The plane had reported an oil leak in its left motor.

"The third time [it was filled up], a filler neck broke off the plane ... and kerosene began pouring from its right wing," Herzog writes.

To make a long story short, the plane disintegrated and the two bombs fell from the sky onto American soil.

As The Guardian reports in its piece about the document that the "U.S. government has repeatedly publicly denied that its nuclear arsenal has ever put Americans' lives in jeopardy through safety flaws."

But this document says that in the Goldsboro incident, the U.S. was one step away from a massive nuclear disaster.

To be fair, as Herzog notes in his book, former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara did say in 1983 that the bomb had gone through six of the seven steps needed for detonation.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/20/224514980/doc-sheds-new-light-on-the-time-the-u-s-almost-nuked-itself


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Didn't they make a film of something very similar......  Charlton Heston springs to mind.....  they were deep in the desert in bunkers many levels below ground.....
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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:02 pm

gerber wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:Hell, in the U.S. we nearly nuked ourselves one time!

"One simple, dynamo-technology, low voltage switch stood between the United States and a major catastrophe."

That is the blunt 1969 assessment of Parker F. Jones, the then supervisor of the nuclear weapons safety department at Sandia National Laboratories, in a newly declassified document that sheds light on a 1961 accident in which the United States almost nuked North Carolina.

The document was given to The Guardian today by author Eric Schlosser, who came upon the document doing research for a new book.

The story of Goldsboro, N.C. is well known. It was the Cold War and the U.S. had B-52 bombers in the air as a precaution, ready to strike if the Soviet Union made a move. As Rudolph Herzog explained it in his book A Short History of Nuclear Folly, one of the B-52s was carrying two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs, which are many times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Like the others, the B-52 flew huge circles around the U.S. and the Atlantic, needing to be refueled along the way.

The plane had reported an oil leak in its left motor.

"The third time [it was filled up], a filler neck broke off the plane ... and kerosene began pouring from its right wing," Herzog writes.

To make a long story short, the plane disintegrated and the two bombs fell from the sky onto American soil.

As The Guardian reports in its piece about the document that the "U.S. government has repeatedly publicly denied that its nuclear arsenal has ever put Americans' lives in jeopardy through safety flaws."

But this document says that in the Goldsboro incident, the U.S. was one step away from a massive nuclear disaster.

To be fair, as Herzog notes in his book, former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara did say in 1983 that the bomb had gone through six of the seven steps needed for detonation.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/09/20/224514980/doc-sheds-new-light-on-the-time-the-u-s-almost-nuked-itself


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Didn't they make a film of something very similar......  Charlton Heston springs to mind.....  they were deep in the desert in bunkers many levels below ground.....

That I don't know ... I think they did make a movie about the time a Russian officer refused to fire a nuke at the U.S. (defied a direct order), but it was probably too recent for Heston to have been in.
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:04 pm

OMG!!!!! What with that and Three Mile Island, it's a wonder you are still here!

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Post by Dagenham Monologues Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:07 pm

It was a training torpedo, a dud, no warhead it went dink! Hello it was bad the electronics or persons controlling them made a mistake but it was essentially a dink.

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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:07 pm

Sassy wrote:OMG!!!!!   What with that and Three Mile Island, it's a wonder you are still here!

It's really scary! I just looked up the refusal-to-fire story and it was actually made into a TV movie:

As we commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Secrets of the Dead chronicles how the actions of one man, during arguably the most dangerous moment of the Cold War, averted nuclear war.

The Man Who Saved the World, premiering Tuesday, October 23 at 9 pm ET on PBS (check local listings), tells the unsung story of Soviet naval officer Vasili Arkhipov, the Brigade Chief of Staff on submarine B-59, who refused to fire a nuclear missile and saved the world from World War III and nuclear disaster.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/featured/the-man-who-saved-the-world-about-this-episode/871/
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:21 pm

kevins58 wrote:It was a training torpedo, a dud, no warhead it went dink! Hello it was bad the electronics or persons controlling them made a mistake but it was essentially a dink.

yup, but, dont you think that mistakes like that should NOT happen. i mean ...the wrong place the wrong time and the real torpedo and you could accidently start a war FGS pale 

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Post by gerber Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:28 pm

victorismyhero wrote:
kevins58 wrote:It was a training torpedo, a dud, no warhead it went dink! Hello it was bad the electronics or persons controlling them made a mistake but it was essentially a dink.

yup, but, dont you think that mistakes like that should NOT happen. i mean ...the wrong place the wrong time and the real torpedo and you could accidently start a war FGS pale 


And where are we now /

Russia versus the west again......  DEN a Ukrainian paper has likened the Crimea to Pearl harbour.  One over enthusiastic loyal officer could send the world into self destruct.
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Post by Guest Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:56 pm

Dud or not, when things can go wrong that easily, we should worry.


The more we learn about nuclear past, the more an 'accident' seems likely
As more countries develop nuclear arsenals, an ever larger group of people must be trusted with power to trigger catastrophe

How have we not had a nuclear war? It is hard to maintain much faith in the long-term safety of our nuclear deterrent with each glimpse of the all-too human flaws of those with their finger on the button. Thirty-four Air Force officers in charge of launching nuclear missiles have been suspended over accusations that they cheated in proficiency tests about their knowledge of how to operate the weapons. The cheating, uncovered during a probe into the use of drugs by nuclear launch officers, betrays the complacency and boredom of men and women whose job is to refrain from doing the one thing they are trained to do.

Officials have been quick to reassure the public that these suspensions pose no risk of nuclear accident, but it's hard to be convinced. Consider the types of incidents that we now know happened during the cold war era: bombs almost detonating by accident and military exercises being twitchily misunderstood by officers on the other side. The pattern has been one in which the government reassures the public that no danger exists, while privately acknowledging their fears that human and technical error could conspire to catastrophic effect. The classification of military documents will hide current blushes for decades to come.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/01/are-we-ready-for-nuclear-consequences

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Post by Guest Sat Mar 15, 2014 12:01 am

Hadn't heard that one, it's brilliant!!!!!!!!

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