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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:19 pm

The fears that animate the tea party at the grassroots, Haney López says, are racial narratives that blame minorities for what’s going wrong in America.

When you look at what animates the tea party, there are several different hatreds that are core to the tea party. They hate welfare. Especially, or particularly welfare that’s understood as going to minorities. Not social security, for instance, but rather food stamps. Next, they’re obsessed about Muslims and Islam. And they really see this sort of threatening, this external threat in the form of the Middle East, but also ostensibly an internal threat of Muslims coming into the United States … They’re deeply concerned about undocumented immigrants, especially undocumented immigrants from Mexico. Finally, they hate President Obama. And Obama seems to combine both this sense of welfare, of being a Muslim, of being a brown foreign other, right?

http://billmoyers.com/2014/03/07/is-this-really-whats-driving-the-tea-party/
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:27 pm

Is this attitude any different to that shown towards "communists" during the cold war?

Is not the need to externalize threats a common factor across much of mankind extending from primitive tribes making war on each other to the multination battles of theology seen today?

Do you not think that over in the middle east there are not movements emphasizing the threat of the US and us infidels?

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Post by Ben Reilly Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:50 pm

sphinx wrote:Is this attitude any different to that shown towards "communists" during the cold war?

Is not the need to externalize threats a common factor across much of mankind extending from primitive tribes making war on each other to the multination battles of theology seen today?

Do you not think that over in the middle east there are not movements emphasizing the threat of the US and us infidels?

Of course ... this is the classic fear, stereotype and hate instinct that keeps people stuck (psychologically) safely into their artificial groups and at one another's throats. I'm sure it happens everywhere -- for a certain kind of person who just is not comfortable with the notion that "different" people can be OK.
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Post by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:31 pm

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sphinx wrote:Is this attitude any different to that shown towards "communists" during the cold war?

Is not the need to externalize threats a common factor across much of mankind extending from primitive tribes making war on each other to the multination battles of theology seen today?

Do you not think that over in the middle east there are not movements emphasizing the threat of the US and us infidels?

Of course ... this is the classic fear, stereotype and hate instinct that keeps people stuck (psychologically) safely into their artificial groups and at one another's throats. I'm sure it happens everywhere -- for a certain kind of person who just is not comfortable with the notion that "different" people can be OK.

Oh it does happen everywhere - the only thing that changes is the definition of "different" which can lead a human to consider that those whose opinions about groups are the ones that are different and therefore the ones to be hated because they are the ones to blame.

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Post by Original Quill Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:15 am

These guys are unique onto themselves. They hate welfare, but they don't mind oil subsidies. They hate aid to dependent children, but they delighted in the Republicans bailing out Wall St. in October 2008. They are concerned about Hispanics because, as Hispanics become the dominate group among voters, they will never again see success.

And what has brought these guys out is their hatred for the Black President. Inwardly, I have a huge grin contemplating their slipping into minority status.

Should we start thinking about way to discriminate against old, white men? What fun.

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Post by Ben Reilly Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:49 am

sphinx wrote:
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sphinx wrote:Is this attitude any different to that shown towards "communists" during the cold war?

Is not the need to externalize threats a common factor across much of mankind extending from primitive tribes making war on each other to the multination battles of theology seen today?

Do you not think that over in the middle east there are not movements emphasizing the threat of the US and us infidels?

Of course ... this is the classic fear, stereotype and hate instinct that keeps people stuck (psychologically) safely into their artificial groups and at one another's throats. I'm sure it happens everywhere -- for a certain kind of person who just is not comfortable with the notion that "different" people can be OK.

Oh it does happen everywhere - the only thing that changes is the definition of "different" which can lead a human to consider that those whose opinions about groups are the ones that are different and therefore the ones to be hated because they are the ones to blame.

Which leads us to my favorite Charles Darwin quote:

“As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races.”
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Post by veya_victaous Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:These guys are unique onto themselves.  They hate welfare, but they don't mind oil subsidies.  They hate aid to dependent children, but they delighted in the Republicans bailing out Wall St. in October 2008.  They are concerned about Hispanics because, as Hispanics become the dominate group among voters, they will never again see success.

And what has brought these guys out is their hatred for the Black President.  Inwardly, I have a huge grin contemplating their slipping into minority status.

Should we start thinking about way to discriminate against old, white men?  What fun.

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Gina Rinehart (Evil Billionaire tyrant/mining magnate) keeps trying persuade the gov't to cut welfare to regular people but to give HER tax concessions so she can make billions more.  Mad  Mad  Mad  Mad  Mad 

At least Clive Palmer(the other Mining billionaire) is like John Hammond from Jurassic Park (literally he tried to be that guy that made a dinosaur park  ::D::  ) his madness makes jobs (he couldn't make real dinosaurs so he has made robotic ones  ::D::  park has just opened  cheers  cheers  cheers  cheers ) Plus Building Titanic II  Razz  Razz  Razz 
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Post by Original Quill Tue Mar 11, 2014 4:08 am

Sorry, veya, they would be like others, but others don't have a Black president. That is what mobilizes them.

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Post by Original Quill Tue Mar 11, 2014 5:02 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:What a Face   Several African countries also have "black" presidents...

But then, they also have majority "black" populations..


More importantly, those nations don't have a large portion of their population that are racists.  It is that anomaly that causes the tension.


Lone Wolf wrote:The 'tea baggers' are a dying breed in the US.

And that must be scaring them witless..  pale

The old, white men thesis is not synonymous with tea baggers.  True, there is a lot of overlap, but we are counting on a lot of old, white men, who are disgusted with the way Republicans behave, to use reason and vote Democratic.

But your point is still made: the core of the tea baggers is old, white men, who don't like their loss of power.  It's kinda like what J.S. Mill said: "I didn't say that all conservatives are stupid; I said all stupid people are conservatives."

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