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Post by Didgee Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:50 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPefxDdjt8I

Of course believers of Christianity was as insensitive as this a few centuries in the past when they had control over societies

Of course in some countries this is still the case with Christianity, where it holds sway

But this video sums up how and why radicalisation forms in a belief system. Where it justifies violence's if someones does not believe or leaves that faith

Its why we should all speak out against these Abrahamic religions

Brilliant video

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Post by HoratioTarr Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:08 pm

I could barely watch that as it boils my piss, as the bishop said to the actress. This kind of fanaticism is like a virulent disease perpetuated by the human need to 'belong'. You see it in cults. It takes strength not to run with the herd. But then again when this kind of mind set is ingrained in your society and laws and family life, that's very hard to do. I can't stand religion. Any religion.
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Post by Original Quill Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:00 pm

Christianity was they same, until they let up and relaxed.  Islam is six centuries behind.  Six hundred years ago you saw the same thing from the Roman Church.

It's in the Abrahamic religions to be fanatical.  Look at all the Greek and Roman art that was desecrated as a result of idolatry (idolatry = "image-worship or divine honour paid to any created object," Romans 1:28) and the 1st Commandment: "thou shalt not have other Gods before me".  Islam appears right on schedule.
https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-the-definition-of-idolatry-in-the-bible.html

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Post by eddie Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:45 pm

For me, it isn’t Islam that is “so sensitive” but every fervent religious person.

No wait...every fucking person. Religion or no. But I know that’s not the point of the thread. Just needed to say it.

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Post by Ben Reilly Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:55 pm

Belief is the problem, just belief itself -- not Islam, which is part of the problem, not Abrahamic religions, which are part of the problem, and not religion itself -- all part of the problem.

The human tendency to form and defend beliefs is the problem, and the sucky thing about that is, it's human nature. The more you challenge the average person's beliefs, the *stronger* they believe them. So the human tendency to form and defend beliefs can't be cured and will at some point spell the doom of humanity.

Ever noticed how people in general can't get together on any issue and solve the problem definitively and for good? Many of us thought racism was dying out -- but no, because there are many people whose beliefs tell them that it's the anti-racists who are the problem. ("Anti-racist is code for anti-white"!)

I once worked for a perfectly intelligent man who made a point of doing everything people said was bad for the environment. The main reason? He's American Indian and is tired of people thinking they're all nature worshippers. The other reason? He's tired of people "preaching at him" not to throw paper into a certain bin.

Come on, that's fucked up by anyone's definition. And there will always be people like him, and that's why we human beings as a race are ultimately fucked.

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:56 am




Koran 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book (Jews/Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.



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Post by eddie Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:03 am

I know many Muslims and I’ve never met one, who isn’t a peace-loving, ordinary person.
They didn’t want to blow anyone up.

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Post by Maddog Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:59 am

eddie wrote:I know many Muslims and I’ve never met one, who isn’t a peace-loving, ordinary person.
They didn’t want to blow anyone up.

Like with a lot of groups, it's their "leaders" who are the problem. No doubt the leaders have followers, but they are still usually a small percentage of the overall group, so you or I probably wouldn't know the asshole ones.

It's the same for black leaders or women's leaders.

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Post by Original Quill Sun Aug 15, 2021 6:04 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Koran 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book (Jews/Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger...

Holy Bible, Ezekiel 25:17

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:20 am

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Koran 9:29

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book (Jews/Christians), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious...

Holy Bible, Ezekiel 25:17



Thought this was a thread about Islam...


And besides that, you have quoted a fictional verse that is made up by Quentin Tarantino for his film 'Pulp fiction'.


Ezekiel 25:17 actually says “I will execute terrible vengeance against them to punish them for what they have done. And when I have inflicted my revenge, they will know that I am the Lord.”


It is not a call to followers to fight unbelievers.



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Post by Original Quill Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
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And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious...

Holy Bible, Ezekiel 25:17

Thought this was a thread about Islam...

It is...however you quoted the Quran.  That's an appropriate time to point out that violence is common to all Abrahamic religions...not unique to Islam.

Tommy Monk wrote:Ezekiel 25:17 actually says “I will execute terrible vengeance against them to punish them for what they have done. And when I have inflicted my revenge, they will know that I am the Lord.”

It is not a call to followers to fight unbelievers.

The point is, both the Quran and the Bible easily threaten violence.

Tommy Monk wrote:And besides that, you have quoted a fictional verse that is made up by Quentin Tarantino for his film 'Pulp fiction'.

The script called for a Christian, Bible-quoting hitman. Where do you think I got the idea, dummy?  Laughing

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:51 pm




You gave a made up bit from a film script...



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Post by Original Quill Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:03 pm

tommy wrote:You gave a made up bit from a film script...

It's not made up. The script quotes Ezekiel 25:17 to perfection.

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Post by HoratioTarr Sun Aug 15, 2021 10:47 pm

eddie wrote:I know many Muslims and I’ve never met one, who isn’t a peace-loving, ordinary person.
They didn’t want to blow anyone up.

Neither did most soldiers in two world wars. I wonder how many of the Taliban were once peace loving ordinary blokes? My point here is not to tar every muslim with the same brush, but to highlight the terrible truth that society is just a very very thin veneer.
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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Aug 15, 2021 11:16 pm

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tommy wrote:You gave a made up bit from a film script...

It's not made up. The script quotes Ezekiel 25:17 to perfection.


No it doesn't... And besides that, it is not a call to fight unbelievers as is the Koran passage I quoted ..



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Post by Original Quill Mon Aug 16, 2021 2:51 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
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It's not made up.  The script quotes Ezekiel 25:17 to perfection.

No it doesn't... And besides that, it is not a call to fight unbelievers as is the Koran passage I quoted ..

Actually, it's worse. It's a threat.

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Aug 16, 2021 10:29 am




Yawn...



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Post by Original Quill Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:56 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yawn...

I agree, the OP question is no mystery. It's a phase of relative severity that all Abrahamic religions pass through.

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Post by Ben Reilly Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:19 pm

How about this quote of Jesus as reported in the book of Matthew?

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Religion, like the people who invented it, is violent. Because the inventions of human beings tend to reflect human nature, and violence is part of human nature.

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Post by Didgee Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:21 pm

Without going into too much detail, I had to remove my recent video due to some safety concerns. No need to worry.

https://twitter.com/CosmicSkeptic/status/1428385442890665993

Well that just sums up and proves how sensitive Islam is

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Post by Eilzel Fri Aug 20, 2021 6:44 am

I think it's a combo of 1) going through that rough period before the enlightenment that Christianity went through (and brought us such delights as the Spanish Inquisition and various religious wars); and 2) most Islamic nations having (relatively historically) recently come out of a period of colonialism, into a world of thoughtless (western drawn) borders and constant western interference.

None of which justifies any of the BS perpetrated by the worst Islamic regimes or terrorist organisations. This is the age of the internet and mass information. There are no excuses. The Saudi, Iranian etc governments, the Taliban, ISIS etc are a bunch of pathetic, woman fearing cunts (honestly, watching the Taliban I'm willing to bet virgin cunts is fit to describe some of them too).


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Post by Maddog Fri Aug 20, 2021 4:57 pm

Eilzel wrote:I think it's a combo of 1) going through that rough period before the enlightenment that Christianity went through (and brought us such delights as the Spanish Inquisition and various religious wars); and 2) most Islamic nations having (relatively historically) recently come out of a period of colonialism, into a world of thoughtless (western drawn) borders and constant western interference.

None of which justifies any of the BS perpetrated by the worst Islamic regimes or terrorist organisations. This is the age of the internet and mass information. There are no excuses. The Saudi, Iranian etc governments, the Taliban, ISIS etc are a bunch of pathetic, woman fearing cunts (honestly, watching the Taliban I'm willing to bet virgin cunts is fit to describe some of them too).


I think stereotyping them causes a great deal of the problem. As well as ignorance of them.

No one likes being blamed for things they didn't do, or even believe in. It builds resentment.

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Post by Ben Reilly Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:19 pm

The Quran also has passages telling Muslims to get along with Jews and Christians. Like most other religious texts, it's full of contradictions and hypocrisies. It may have been deliberately written to make people who buy into it stop questioning their own judgement and senses, much like the Bible.

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Post by eddie Sat Aug 21, 2021 10:31 pm

I agree.

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