Long term plan to combat male abuse against females.

by Syl Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:01 pm

The public in GM are being asked to give their own experiences of domestic abuse, male on female, so a 10 year plan can be put in place to stop women having to live with violence, and how to educate both men and women on how to stop it.

If anything can be done to stop the lower level abuse of females, ranging from sexual insults, demeaning remarks, or inappropriate touching, to actual violence, rape and ultimately death, this proposed long term strategy will examine how and what can be done to make women and girls feel safer, both outside and inside the home.

Latest statistics show in England and Wales show a woman is killed by a man she is, or has been in a relationship with, every three days.

"Mayor of Greater Manchester, Andy Burnham, has today published proposals for a 'Gender Based Abuse Strategy: The Greater Manchester Strategy to Tackle Violence Against Women & Girls'.

In light of the tragic death of Sarah Everard and the urgency to address gender based abuse, the public are being asked to provide their feedback on the Greater Manchester proposals to make sure it has sufficiently captured the right issues and how to address them before going to a full public consultation in May 2021."

https://greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/news/greater-manchester-proposes-10-year-plan-to-prevent-abuse-and-violence-against-women-and-girls/

by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:28 pm

Burnhams record on action against the huge number of Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs is abysmal.

by Syl Wed Jul 28, 2021 12:41 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Burnhams record on action against the huge number of Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs is abysmal.

That's a totally different subject, start a thread on that, I will be happy to contribute.

by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:35 pm

Not at all... The 2nd paragraph of your op makes my post very much on topic...

And Burnham was a big player during the labour govt years when they were complicit in the systematic rape and abuse of young children by the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs then... And Burnham has been totally quiet about it all since being in his current job as labour mayor of Manchester...

Burnham is a cùnt!!!

by Original Quill Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:09 pm

I kinda agree with tommy, tho' not about race. It's about ideology, and presumptions of what is acceptable.

In this country, the south is all about intolerance of others, gun access and an inevitable option to violence. That being their mindset, inside a marriage or relationship any discord is met with the kind of violence you mention, Syl. Violence accepted in any arena, cannot be turned off elsewhere, particularly in the home.

by Original Quill Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:22 pm

Anyway, here are the Manchester proposals:

The figures are stark:

• One in four women in the UK will experience some form of sexual assault or domestic abuse in their lifetime.
• Students are disproportionately affected: in 2019, 12.2% of female students experienced domestic abuse within the past 12 months compared to 7.5% in the general population.
• 40% of women in the UK are estimated to experience harassment in the workplace.
• In Greater Manchester, 36% of all violent crime reported to the police entails domestic abuse.
• While 80% of the domestic abuse cases that are prosecuted in Greater Manchester results in a conviction - higher than the national average - it represents only about 1 in 13 incidents reported to the police that are successfully prosecuted in England and Wales.

And, here are the proposals:

On a practical level, the proposals includes funding for specific services and projects, training and development for frontline staff and targeted public engagement campaigns – some of which seek to raise awareness and others to encourage active public dialogue about tackling gender-based abuse and how the public should respond if they see it happening. Some examples include:

• Introduce an emergency contact system for passengers using public transport to alert the police discreetly if they are concerned for their safety or that of others or TravelSafe officers or transport staff.
• Support Local Authorities across Greater Manchester in seeking Public Space Protection Orders that protect women and girls from harassment and abuse. This will include working with the Greater Manchester Night Time Economy Adviser to implement an action plan that tackles gender based abuse in public places and commercial settings.
• Support the 'Reclaim the Night' campaign, which raises awareness of violence against women and girls through an annual night-time march across Greater Manchester and builds community support for our weeks of action against gender based abuse.
• Reducing the risk of homelessness that forces many victims and their children to endure domestic abuse, and increase the options for rehousing perpetrators to minimise the harm caused to victims.
• A public campaign on what is sometimes called ‘low level’ harm e.g. wolf-whistling, catcalling, stalking and harassing women in public spaces and verbal abuse on the basis of appearance, dress and sexuality.

The review will:

1. Ensure that the ‘Think Victim’ campaign is fully embedded within GMP and further explore how to improve outcomes for victims in the criminal justice system, ensuring they are offered the very best service, kept informed, treated with dignity, listened to, and understood.
2. Investigate how case management can be improved by frontline, investigating and senior police officers, and what can be done to reduce the number of reports to GMP that result in no further action.
3. Take account of both budgetary pressures on GMP and the wider cost of repeat victimisation to victims and service providers across the sector.

by Maddog Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:08 pm

Original Quill wrote:I kinda agree with tommy, tho' not about race. It's about ideology, and presumptions of what is acceptable.

In this country, the south is all about intolerance of others, gun access and an inevitable option to violence. That being their mindset, inside a marriage or relationship any discord is met with the kind of violence you mention, Syl. Violence accepted in any arena, cannot be turned off elsewhere, particularly in the home.

And yet your daughter chooses to live here.

Weird.

by Original Quill Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:31 pm

Maddog wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I kinda agree with tommy, tho' not about race. It's about ideology, and presumptions of what is acceptable.

In this country, the south is all about intolerance of others, gun access and an inevitable option to violence. That being their mindset, inside a marriage or relationship any discord is met with the kind of violence you mention, Syl. Violence accepted in any arena, cannot be turned off elsewhere, particularly in the home.

And yet your daughter chooses to live here.

Weird.

Fortunately, she's not a southerner. She was raised in California, and her husband is from Ohio. She went to Colorado for her university. Her husband's job dragged her to Texas. Ewwww...

Thank god she bought that elegant home, in such a nice neighborhood, so she doesn't have to deal with the white supremacist riff-raff and all the Texas motorcycle gangs. Evil or Very Mad

by Syl Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:19 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Not at all... The 2nd paragraph of your op makes my post very much on topic...

And Burnham was a big player during the labour govt years when they were complicit in the systematic rape and abuse of young children by the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs then... And Burnham has been totally quiet about it all since being in his current job as labour mayor of Manchester...

Burnham is a cùnt!!!

And yet it was Andy Burnham, who in 2017 opened an official review years after the GMP pushed all this under the table.
He vowed that NOTHING would be covered up, as it had been in the past, and it seems he was true to his word.

The findings were published in 2020.

Maggie Oliver, the police woman who had fought for many years to get justice for these girls, she who lost her job, her reputation, her health, and was ridiculed by her colleagues who conveniently "lost" all the evidence she had collected against the groomers, gave interviews after the report was published last year...

"She was initially mistrustful of Andy Burnham’s review when she first spoke to its authors, Malcolm Newsam and Gary Ridgway, in 2017. She recorded every interview, because she didn’t believe they would take her seriously.

But she believes the result was worth it, even if it doesn’t make up for the closure of Augusta at a point when it could have potentially saved victims from abuse.

“It’s too little, too late,” she says of the response the latest review represents.

“But I’m grateful to Malcolm and Gary for sticking with this, for perservering to get at the truth. “They’ve done, in my opinion, a great job and I’d like them to stay on for phase two [a probe into child abuse investigations in Rochdale, which they have so far been struggling to progress].

“I also have to give credit to Andy Burnham on this occasion for standing his ground with GMP.

“I’d like him to do that more often, because there are many outstanding matters that are with him about failures and incompetence within GMP.”

Many people let those kids down, at least Andy Burnham has tried to throw light on the disgraceful cover ups that had been happening for years.
If Maggie Oliver, a woman who did more to help these kids than probably anyone else alive can give him credit....odd that you cant.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/this-truth-detective-who-blew-17562787

by Syl Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:31 pm

Original Quill wrote:I kinda agree with tommy, tho' not about race. It's about ideology, and presumptions of what is acceptable.

In this country, the south is all about intolerance of others, gun access and an inevitable option to violence. That being their mindset, inside a marriage or relationship any discord is met with the kind of violence you mention, Syl. Violence accepted in any arena, cannot be turned off elsewhere, particularly in the home.

Tommy would turn the Teddy bears picnic into a racial issue if he could.
The grooming gangs and his hatred for Andy Burnham are different issues.

This is about the way women are STILL being sexually demeaned, abused, raped and killed by men, often partners or ex partners.

Everyone should welcome any in depth long term review to help victims, understand why it happens, bring together police and other services to deal with abuse, punish and educate abusers in a hopefully constructive way.

It's an ongoing 10 year plan, who doesn't want the world to be a safer place to live for their kids and grandkids??

by Original Quill Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:17 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I kinda agree with tommy, tho' not about race. It's about ideology, and presumptions of what is acceptable.

In this country, the south is all about intolerance of others, gun access and an inevitable option to violence. That being their mindset, inside a marriage or relationship any discord is met with the kind of violence you mention, Syl. Violence accepted in any arena, cannot be turned off elsewhere, particularly in the home.

Tommy would turn the Teddy bears picnic into a racial issue if he could.
The grooming gangs and his hatred for Andy Burnham are different issues.

This is about the way women are STILL being sexually demeaned, abused, raped and killed by men, often partners or ex partners.

Everyone should welcome any in depth long term review to help victims, understand why it happens, bring together police and other services to deal with abuse, punish and educate abusers in a hopefully constructive way.

It's an ongoing 10 year plan, who doesn't want the world to be a safer place to live for their kids and grandkids??

Yes, but we begin by looking at details. Many cultures have spousal abuse as a common practice in their zeitgeist. Tommy may argue race, but I argue that the southern culture of the US is given to physical abuse, a product of their general pattern of settling any cultural conflict by violence. One has only to observe the attack on the US Capital building on January 6th, to see the pattern.

Some may argue that the insurrection was just Republicans; but since the advent of the southern strategy, Republicanism and southern culture has become synonymous.

by Maddog Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:33 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:

And yet your daughter chooses to live here.

Weird.

Fortunately, she's not a southerner. She was raised in California, and her husband is from Ohio. She went to Colorado for her university. Her husband's job dragged her to Texas. Ewwww...

Thank god she bought that elegant home, in such a nice neighborhood, so she doesn't have to deal with the white supremacist riff-raff and all the Texas motorcycle gangs.

Most people in the south left a shitty part of the country or the world.

That's why it's so crowded here.

by Syl Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Tommy would turn the Teddy bears picnic into a racial issue if he could.
The grooming gangs and his hatred for Andy Burnham are different issues.

This is about the way women are STILL being sexually demeaned, abused, raped and killed by men, often partners or ex partners.

Everyone should welcome any in depth long term review to help victims, understand why it happens, bring together police and other services to deal with abuse, punish and educate abusers in a hopefully constructive way.

It's an ongoing 10 year plan, who doesn't want the world to be a safer place to live for their kids and grandkids??

Yes, but we begin by looking at details. Many cultures have spousal abuse as a common practice in their zeitgeist. Tommy may argue race, but I argue that the southern culture of the US is given to physical abuse, a product of their general pattern of settling any cultural conflict by violence. One has only to observe the attack on the US Capital building on January 6th, to see the pattern.

Some may argue that the insurrection was just Republicans; but since the advent of the southern strategy, Republicanism and southern culture has become synonymous.

We don't have a North South divide in that way, in any case, this is to help abused women and girls in the greater Manchester area, not throughout the country.
No doubt if it's successful, other councils will follow suit.

by Original Quill Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:07 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, but we begin by looking at details. Many cultures have spousal abuse as a common practice in their zeitgeist. Tommy may argue race, but I argue that the southern culture of the US is given to physical abuse, a product of their general pattern of settling any cultural conflict by violence. One has only to observe the attack on the US Capital building on January 6th, to see the pattern.

Some may argue that the insurrection was just Republicans; but since the advent of the southern strategy, Republicanism and southern culture has become synonymous.

We don't have a North South divide in that way, in any case, this is to help abused women and girls in the greater Manchester area, not throughout the country.
No doubt if it's successful, other councils will follow suit.

You are talking about a public solution to violence against women. In anything that is public, we have to look to the values, beliefs and symbols of the group.

We have two different cultures in the country, and so on any given issue there is quite likely a divide. The northern culture is rational and willing to listen to any rational plan. The south is prone to a violent solutions in any conflict situation.

You could sell the Manchester plan to our north. I doubt you could sell it to the south. It depends upon rational persuasion, and as you’ve seen, southerners are not rational. They lean to violent solutions.

by Ben Reilly Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:41 pm

Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

by Maddog Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:44 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

Yeah, it's a white republican stronghold and probably getting whiter as most current cowboy players opt to live closer to Frisco, where they practice now.

by Syl Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:29 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

That was a different thread.

This one is about how to help the abuse of males on females stop.

Is no one else horrified that in this supposedly enlightened day and age, in England and Wales alone, every THREE DAYS a woman is murdered by a man. A high percentage of these killings are by the woman's partner or ex partner.
Since the pandemic began the figures are even higher.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-28/three-times-more-women-killed-by-men-during-covid-lockdown-charity-reveals

by Original Quill Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:54 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

Yeah, it's a white republican stronghold and probably getting whiter as most current cowboy players opt to live closer to Frisco, where they practice now.

The Dallas Cowboys trains in Ventura County, at the River Ridge Fields, about 350 miles from San Francisco. They used to train in Thousand Oaks, also in Ventura County. Both are suburbs of Los Angeles.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:53 pm

Syl wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

That was a different thread.

This one is about how to help the abuse of males on females stop.

Is no one else horrified that in this supposedly enlightened day and age, in England and Wales alone, every THREE DAYS a woman is murdered by a man. A high percentage of these killings are by the woman's partner or ex partner.
Since the pandemic began the figures are even higher.

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-28/three-times-more-women-killed-by-men-during-covid-lockdown-charity-reveals

I guess it's like the Black Live Matters movement...it's hard to interest people, unless you are near the problem. Psychologically, women are better equipped to handle discord than men. Though they may become hysterical, they nonetheless argue issues. Men are more likely to resort to violent actions, and dispense with issue arguments. I think that accounts for male-on-female violence in any kind of relationship.

Of course, a culture that naturally chooses violence over reason is that much closer to abusive solutions. That is my point about the south. As one study summary put it:

Whet Moser wrote:After provocation, Southerners were not only more angry on the outside, they were more angry on the inside, down to their neurochemistry. (The authors also theorize that Southern politeness could be a response to Southern aggression—if Southerners are more likely to take offense than other regional cultures, it follows they would be less likely to give offense, for safety's sake.)

https://www.chicagomag.com/city-life/july-2012/american-violence-and-southern-culture/

In interspousal relationships conflict is bound to arise sooner or later. When it does, the southern male is quicker to take offense at the inevitable character slights, and 'lose it', resorting to violence.

One thing that is immediately noticeable, by outsiders visiting the south, is that blacks are far more obsequious before whites in language and social relationships. Blacks typically address whites as 'Sir' and allow whites to win verbal competitions (blacks call this zip-a-dee-doo-dah, a term made famous, but perhaps misunderstood in Disney's classic film, Songs of the South). See, Joel Chandler Harris, Uncle Remus: His Songs and His Sayings (circa 1880). Is this another form of "politeness before southern aggression" to fend off the possibility of quick anger so prevalent in the south?

In any event, quickness to anger is a symptom of, or precursor to male violence toward women. Look for that character trait in studying any form of domestic abuse.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:39 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Not at all... The 2nd paragraph of your op makes my post very much on topic...

And Burnham was a big player during the labour govt years when they were complicit in the systematic rape and abuse of young children by the Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs then... And Burnham has been totally quiet about it all since being in his current job as labour mayor of Manchester...

Burnham is a cùnt!!!

And yet it was Andy Burnham, who in 2017 opened an official review years after the GMP pushed all this under the table.
He vowed that NOTHING would be covered up, as it had been in the past, and it seems he was true to his word.

The findings were published in 2020.

Maggie Oliver, the police woman who had fought for many years to get justice for these girls, she who lost her job, her reputation, her health, and was ridiculed by her colleagues who conveniently "lost" all the evidence she had collected against the groomers, gave interviews after the report was published last year...

"She was initially mistrustful of Andy Burnham’s review when she first spoke to its authors, Malcolm Newsam and Gary Ridgway, in 2017. She recorded every interview, because she didn’t believe they would take her seriously.

But she believes the result was worth it, even if it doesn’t make up for the closure of Augusta at a point when it could have potentially saved victims from abuse.

“It’s too little, too late,” she says of the response the latest review represents.

“But I’m grateful to Malcolm and Gary for sticking with this, for perservering to get at the truth. “They’ve done, in my opinion, a great job and I’d like them to stay on for phase two [a probe into child abuse investigations in Rochdale, which they have so far been struggling to progress].

“I also have to give credit to Andy Burnham on this occasion for standing his ground with GMP.

“I’d like him to do that more often, because there are many outstanding matters that are with him about failures and incompetence within GMP.”

Many people let those kids down, at least Andy Burnham has tried to throw light on the disgraceful cover ups that had been happening for years.
If Maggie Oliver, a woman who did more to help these kids than probably anyone else alive can give him credit....odd that you cant.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/this-truth-detective-who-blew-17562787

That is hardly a ringing endorsement... And what I said is still true...

by Syl Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

And yet it was Andy Burnham, who in 2017 opened an official review years after the GMP pushed all this under the table.
He vowed that NOTHING would be covered up, as it had been in the past, and it seems he was true to his word.

The findings were published in 2020.

Maggie Oliver, the police woman who had fought for many years to get justice for these girls, she who lost her job, her reputation, her health, and was ridiculed by her colleagues who conveniently "lost" all the evidence she had collected against the groomers, gave interviews after the report was published last year...

"She was initially mistrustful of Andy Burnham’s review when she first spoke to its authors, Malcolm Newsam and Gary Ridgway, in 2017. She recorded every interview, because she didn’t believe they would take her seriously.

But she believes the result was worth it, even if it doesn’t make up for the closure of Augusta at a point when it could have potentially saved victims from abuse.

“It’s too little, too late,” she says of the response the latest review represents.

“But I’m grateful to Malcolm and Gary for sticking with this, for perservering to get at the truth. “They’ve done, in my opinion, a great job and I’d like them to stay on for phase two [a probe into child abuse investigations in Rochdale, which they have so far been struggling to progress].

“I also have to give credit to Andy Burnham on this occasion for standing his ground with GMP.

“I’d like him to do that more often, because there are many outstanding matters that are with him about failures and incompetence within GMP.”

Many people let those kids down, at least Andy Burnham has tried to throw light on the disgraceful cover ups that had been happening for years.
If Maggie Oliver, a woman who did more to help these kids than probably anyone else alive can give him credit....odd that you cant.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/this-truth-detective-who-blew-17562787

That is hardly a ringing endorsement... And what I said is still true...

No, it's just your opinion....big difference.

by Tommy Monk Fri Jul 30, 2021 9:18 pm

Sorry Syl, he reluctantly started the enquiry in 2017... Too little too late I'm afraid...

by eddie Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:44 pm

It’s weird to me, what Quill says about how blacks are treated. It just doesn’t happen like that in the UK. At all.

Sometimes I think that Quill still lives in a long-time past. Sure, racism still exists among societies, but I do think he tends to over-egg the pudding.

by Ben Reilly Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:55 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Well, I originally posted this in the wrong thread and made a point about the thread I was actually in while I was at it ... so now I'm going to repost this here and make a double prat of myself:

Well, Southlake, Texas is about as lily-white and pro-Trump as it gets -- they might have money, nice houses and well-groomed gardens, but that's about as nice as Southlake gets.

When I checked (albeit back in 2005 or so) the town had about 14,000 residents, and about 100 of them were black. Of those 100, a good number are former professional athletes (they played for the Dallas Cowboys or Texas Rangers, mostly) and their families.

Regarding the OP, I simply can't believe that med students are actually being taught that transsexual women have ovaries, etc. As in, I don't believe it -- I think it's a bunch of jumped-up anti-left propaganda.

Yeah, it's a white republican stronghold and probably getting whiter as most current cowboy players opt to live closer to Frisco, where they practice now.

The Dallas Cowboys trains in Ventura County, at the River Ridge Fields, about 350 miles from San Francisco. They used to train in Thousand Oaks, also in Ventura County. Both are suburbs of Los Angeles.

They may have training events in California, but their training grounds are The Star in Frisco now, and for years they trained at Valley Ranch, also in North Texas.

by Original Quill Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:36 pm

The "training event" is pre-season training. Dallas has moved it's site from Thousand Oaks, to Oxnard, CA.

by Syl Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:50 pm

Toqmmy Monk wrote:

Sorry Syl, he reluctantly started the enquiry in 2017... Too little too late I'm afraid...

Nothing reluctant about it.
He initiated the enquiry as soon as he became Mayor of Greater Manchester in 2017.

by Original Quill Sat Jul 31, 2021 2:50 am

eddie wrote:It’s weird to me, what Quill says about how blacks are treated. It just doesn’t happen like that in the UK. At all.

Sometimes I think that Quill still lives in a long-time past. Sure, racism still exists among societies, but I do think he tends to over-egg the pudding.

It's not about me, eds. Do I need to remind you, of all people, to stay on subject?

We are most of us from the British Isles. We speak English. Our Constitution, institutions, laws and culture were written in English. How is it that we have become the racist nation that we are?

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:07 am

Syl wrote:
Toqmmy Monk wrote:

Sorry Syl, he reluctantly started the enquiry in 2017... Too little too late I'm afraid...

Nothing reluctant about it.
He initiated the enquiry as soon as he became Mayor of Greater Manchester in 2017.

He only gave up his MP seat and tried for mayoral position because he thought he would lose his mp seat and he had a better chance of getting the mayor position.

Andy Burnham only cares about Andy Burnham.

He was an MP for years before being in his current position. Even in Gordon browns cabinet. Yet he did fuk all then, and Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs still blight Manchester now.

by Syl Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

Nothing reluctant about it.
He initiated the enquiry as soon as he became Mayor of Greater Manchester in 2017.

He only gave up his MP seat and tried for mayoral position because he thought he would lose his mp seat and he had a better chance of getting the mayor position.

Andy Burnham only cares about Andy Burnham.

He was an MP for years before being in his current position. Even in Gordon browns cabinet. Yet he did fuk all then, and Pakistani Muslim child rape gangs still blight Manchester now.

Sticking to the facts and overriding your distrust of Andy Burnham, which has taken the point of the thread off topic....

Don't you agree it's a good thing that he has started this new long term 'Gender based abuse strategy' it's aim is simply to stop the increasing male abuse on female....which surely no one could be against.

"The proposals in the Gender Based Abuse Strategy take a whole-system approach to tackling it. This includes how men and boys think about and treat women and girls and how services can improve, to the criminal justice system, health services, educational establishments, and housing providers – including services for people who are homeless as a result of domestic violence – embedding a gender and trauma informed approach."

by Original Quill Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:43 pm

Absolutely. Whether Burnham is working as an MP or as a Mayor is irrelevant to the issue. We're not evaluating the man, but the program.

by Syl Sat Jul 31, 2021 5:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:Absolutely. Whether Burnham is working as an MP or as a Mayor is irrelevant to the issue. We're not evaluating the man, but the program.

Exactly Quill.

by eddie Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:34 pm

I’m not sure you can ever “stop” abuse. It happens covertly and often, the victim isn’t really aware that they’re suffering abuse as it’s all done in the name of “oh we had a row” or “I’m so sorry, I just lost my temper” etc etc.

by Syl Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:44 pm

eddie wrote:I’m not sure you can ever “stop” abuse. It happens covertly and often, the victim isn’t really aware that they’re suffering abuse as it’s all done in the name of “oh we had a row” or “I’m so sorry, I just lost my temper” etc etc.

That's true, especially when the abuse is happening in a relationship.
But perhaps making women, especially younger women, more aware of what abuse is, instead of accepting it as the norm.....and alternatively educating young men that talking down to a woman, or sexually insulting her, is not acceptable, would stop more serious abuse, which is often progressive, before it starts.

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