CDC Says Vaccinated People Don't Need To Wear Masks or Socially Distance At All

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced Thursday that people who are fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks or engage in social distancing while outdoors or indoors. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky explained that except in a few special circumstances, vaccinated people can resume normal life completely.

"We have all longed for this moment," said Walensky during a media briefing.

The available data made it clear, Walensky said, that the vaccines are very effective at eliminating both illness and transmission of COVID-19, and that they have thus far tackled the variants with incredible success.

"Anyone who is fully vaccinated can participate in indoor and outdoor activities, large or small, without wearing a mask or physical distancing," she said. "If you are fully vaccinated, you can start doing the things you stopped doing because of the pandemic."

This news is long overdue, as it has been clear for weeks that the vaccines should be considered a ticket back to normality. The CDC has proceeded with extreme caution.


But that makes this declaration all the more important: If even the notoriously risk-averse CDC says the vaccinated can put away their masks, then there's no reason to keep local restrictions in place. If you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated; if you are vaccinated, do whatever you want. All government mandates should reflect this reality.

https://reason.com/2021/05/13/cdc-says-vaccinated-people-dont-need-to-wear-masks-or-socially-distance-at-all/

About damn time.

Bet I still see folks wearing the mask though.

Don't everyone get excited at once.

Maddog wrote:Don't everyone get excited at once.

I am cautiously optimistic.  
We haven/ had that advice yet.

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:Don't everyone get excited at once.

I am cautiously optimistic.  
We haven/ had that advice yet.

What's really funny is the comments I'm seeing on news article over here. All of a sudden the conservatives think the CDC is correct and a lot of liberals are jumping off of the "follow the science" bandwagon.

Even Daddy Biden says we can ditch them.

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1392933187739860993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1392933187739860993%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FPolitics%2Fgreat-day-america-biden-touting-cdcs-eased-mask%2Fstory%3Fid%3D77673806

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SPOKEN!

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Well that's good surely?

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Well that's good surely?

It is.

It's a little late, but you know, he had to string the virus along a bit longer as a threat, to now claim responsibility for slaying it.

It's been largely dead everywhere that stuck needles in arms and had a pretty high caseload this winter. Between all of the vaccinated people, and antibody laden people, the virus has been bumping into too many brick walls.

Maddog wrote:

Syl wrote:

Well that's good surely?

It is.

It's a little late, but you know, he had to string the virus along a bit longer as a threat, to now claim responsibility for slaying it.

It's been largely dead everywhere that stuck needles in arms and had a pretty high caseload this winter. Between all of the vaccinated people, and antibody laden people, the virus has been bumping into too many brick walls.  

At least he wasn't musing on the advantages of injecting bleach.

Maddog wrote:It's been largely dead everywhere that stuck needles in arms and had a pretty high caseload this winter.

How interesting. And that correlates with the first 100-days of Biden's term. What were they doing before? Planning corporate tax cuts?

Syl wrote:

Maddog wrote:

It is.

It's a little late, but you know, he had to string the virus along a bit longer as a threat, to now claim responsibility for slaying it.

It's been largely dead everywhere that stuck needles in arms and had a pretty high caseload this winter. Between all of the vaccinated people, and antibody laden people, the virus has been bumping into too many brick walls.  

At least he wasn't musing on the advantages of injecting bleach.

Good point.

And as these things go, he gets to take his victory lap.

He was the man in office when the CDC made this declaration.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:It's been largely dead everywhere that stuck needles in arms and had a pretty high caseload this winter.

How interesting.  And that correlates with the first 100-days of Biden's term.  What were they doing before?  Planning corporate tax cuts?

It correlates with early December when we started putting needles in arms.

The virus was going to get licked if the vaccine worked.

It did and it was.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

How interesting.  And that correlates with the first 100-days of Biden's term.  What were they doing before?  Planning corporate tax cuts?

It correlates with early December when we started putting needles in arms.

The vaccine was going to get licked if the vaccine worked.

It did and it was.

I doubt that is true.  When the Democrats took over on January 20th, they found no plans for vaccines, nor any evidence of stockpiles.  Trump had left the cupboard bare...of policy as well as assets.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

It correlates with early December when we started putting needles in arms.

The vaccine was going to get licked if the vaccine worked.

It did and it was.

I doubt that is true.  When the Democrats took over on January 20th, they found no plans for vaccines, nor any evidence of stockpiles.  Trump had left the cupboard bare...of policy as well as assets.

Oh. I forgot. The vaccines didn't start until January 20th.

My bad.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I doubt that is true.  When the Democrats took over on January 20th, they found no plans for vaccines, nor any evidence of stockpiles.  Trump had left the cupboard bare...of policy as well as assets.

Oh. I forgot. The vaccines didn't start until January 20th.

My bad.

That's the first true thing you've ever said.  At least the serious effort didn't start until January 20th.

The parmas who put out the vaccine, fortunately, were not governed by the Trump administration.  So Pfizer and Moderna soldiered on, developing the vaccine through 2020.

But when the pharmas delivered, the Trump administration had no contingency plans for putting needles in arms.  That whole program had to be put together on-the-fly, by the Biden administration.  If the Democrats hadn't won the presidency, this pandemic would still be raging on...to the delight of Republicans.

Which, again, makes me wonder: what is the connection between Republicans and the former Soviet, still present-rulers of the Russian Republic?  Such dropping-the-ball is precisely what the former-Sov's would have loved to see over here.  We all know that Putin has something on Trump, but could this National Rifle Association distribution fund have gotten kompromat on substantial Republicans in the House and Congress...including Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Oh. I forgot. The vaccines didn't start until January 20th.

My bad.

That's the first true thing you've ever said.  At least the serious effort didn't start until January 20th.

The parmas who put out the vaccine, fortunately, were not governed by the Trump administration.  So Pfizer and Moderna soldiered on, developing the vaccine through 2020.

But when the pharmas delivered, the Trump administration had no contingency plans for putting needles in arms.  That whole program had to be put together on-the-fly, by the Biden administration.  If the Democrats hadn't won the presidency, this pandemic would still be raging on...to the delight of Republicans.

Which, again, makes me wonder: what is the connection between Republicans and the former Soviet, still present-rulers of the Russian Republic?  Such dropping-the-ball is precisely what the former-Sov's would have loved to see over here.  We all know that Putin has something on Trump, but could this National Rifle Association distribution fund have gotten kompromat on substantial Republicans in the House and Congress...including Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy?

Oh, the first shots were the non serious kind.

Thanks for the clarification.

Anyway, you still wearing your mask and hiding Quill, or are you going to get out and mingle with your fellow humans?

Maddog wrote:Anyway, you still wearing your mask and hiding Quill, or are you going to get out and mingle with your fellow humans?

California hasn't lifted the mask rule yet. We'll see what happens.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Anyway, you still wearing your mask and hiding Quill, or are you going to get out and mingle with your fellow humans?

California hasn't lifted the mask rule yet.  We'll see what happens.

Does California not believe Daddy Joe when he says it safe now?

First Lady Jill Biden. Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and actress Jennifer Garner were appearing in West Virginia to promote vaccinations when the new recommendations were announced.

“I kind of can’t believe I am standing here without a mask on looking at maskless faces,” Garner said at a local high school, as she credited the president and the state’s Republican governor, Jim Justice.

When Jennifer Garner says it's OK, it's OK.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

California hasn't lifted the mask rule yet.  We'll see what happens.

Does California not believe Daddy Joe when he says it safe now?

I think cautious is the word for it.  Each jurisdiction is going to make its own choice.  California has its own schedule.  Note: even the Feds are not lifting the precautions for busses, airplanes, ships, and businesses involving close proximity.

Many private businesses say they will continue to require masks and social distancing, even if the state lifts the requirement.  You can't be sure who has/hasn't been vaccinated, they argue.  Their concern, among others, is to keep their employees safe.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Does California not believe Daddy Joe when he says it safe now?

I think cautious is the word for it.  Each jurisdiction is going to make its own choice.  California has its own schedule.  Note: even the Feds are not lifting the precautions for busses, airplanes, ships, and businesses involving close proximity.

Many private businesses say they will continue to require masks and social distancing, even if the state lifts the requirement.  You can't be sure who has/hasn't been vaccinated, they argue.  Their concern, among others, is to keep their employees safe.

Yes, ignore the feds and the CDC. I can't disagree with that position.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I think cautious is the word for it. Each jurisdiction is going to make its own choice. California has its own schedule. Note: even the Feds are not lifting the precautions for busses, airplanes, ships, and businesses involving close proximity.

Many private businesses say they will continue to require masks and social distancing, even if the state lifts the requirement. You can't be sure who has/hasn't been vaccinated, they argue. Their concern, among others, is to keep their employees safe.

Yes, ignore the feds and the CDC. I can't disagree with that position.

The Feds, which includes the CDC, have no police power. They are wonderful at financing huge investigations and projects, which give us insight and tell us what to do, but they don't have the jurisdiction to make it so (as Picard says).

Thus, it up to the states to develop implementation. To vary the authority from state to state makes sense, as conditions vary from state to state. California has responsibility for most of the west coast of the US—in the east there are 10-states to share the burden, from New York down—which would include ports-of-entry, imported products, including foods and vegetables, immigrants and numerous other sources of the virus. It’s a huge responsibility that California takes on as the 5th-largest economy in the world.

Playing it conservative to protect both citizens and visitors is the only responsible thing to do. You have seen how the reckless (Trump-inspired) governors of Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona, have cast the safety of their citizens to the wind, and you have seen the consequences. Perhaps we Californians are more advanced and responsible—and recognize the dangers of reckless behavior that is politically motivated.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yes, ignore the feds and the CDC.  I can't disagree with that position.  

The Feds, which includes the CDC, have no police power.  They are wonderful at financing huge investigations and projects, which give us insight and tell us what to do, but they don't have the jurisdiction to make it so (as Picard says).

Thus, it up to the states to develop implementation.  To vary the authority from state to state makes sense, as conditions vary from state to state.  California has responsibility for most of the west coast of the US—in the east there are 10-states to share the burden, from New York down—which would include ports-of-entry, imported products, including foods and vegetables, immigrants and numerous other sources of the virus.  It’s a huge responsibility that California takes on as the 5th-largest economy in the world.

Playing it conservative to protect both citizens and visitors is the only responsible thing to do.  You have seen how the reckless (Trump-inspired) governors of Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona, have cast the safety of their citizens to the wind, and you have seen the consequences.  Perhaps we Californians are more advanced and responsible—and recognize the dangers of reckless behavior that is politically motivated.  

Yeah, so ignore them. Texas ignored the CDC for two months.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

The Feds, which includes the CDC, have no police power.  They are wonderful at financing huge investigations and projects, which give us insight and tell us what to do, but they don't have the jurisdiction to make it so (as Picard says).

Thus, it up to the states to develop implementation.  To vary the authority from state to state makes sense, as conditions vary from state to state.  California has responsibility for most of the west coast of the US—in the east there are 10-states to share the burden, from New York down—which would include ports-of-entry, imported products, including foods and vegetables, immigrants and numerous other sources of the virus.  It’s a huge responsibility that California takes on as the 5th-largest economy in the world.

Playing it conservative to protect both citizens and visitors is the only responsible thing to do.  You have seen how the reckless (Trump-inspired) governors of Georgia, Florida, Texas and Arizona, have cast the safety of their citizens to the wind, and you have seen the consequences.  Perhaps we Californians are more advanced and responsible—and recognize the dangers of reckless behavior that is politically motivated.  

Yeah, so ignore them. Texas ignored the CDC for two months.

I know. And Texans paid the price...a lot less southern racists around, these days.

California has always recognized the DOH, the CDC and the Federal government, as fantastic resources to be worked with, not against. Trump and governors like DeSantis, Abbott and Kemp have cost their respective states lots of lives, by trying to rewrite science. Trump didn't want the pandemic to be true, and so his toadies followed him in the ritualistic belief, like children in some after-school gang.

Oh well. Frankly, I don't care what happens to southerners. They aren't my countrymen, although I do feel sorry for them. I'm glad they aligned themselves with Republicans, so that we can be rid of them with a single flush when it comes. Amexit.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yeah, so ignore them. Texas ignored the CDC for two months.

I know.  And Texans paid the price...a lot less southern racists around, these days.  

California has always recognized the DOH, the CDC and the Federal government, as fantastic resources to be worked with, not against.  Trump and governors like DeSantis, Abbott and Kemp have cost their respective states lots of lives, by trying to rewrite science.   Trump didn't want the pandemic to be true, and so his toadies followed him in the ritualistic belief, like children in some after-school gang.

Oh well.  Frankly, I don't care what happens to southerners.  They aren't my countrymen, although I do feel sorry for them.  I'm glad they aligned themselves with Republicans, so that we can be rid of them with a single flush when it comes.  Amexit.

Texas paid no price, sorry.

Our numbers continued to drop for the last two months.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yeah, so ignore them. Texas ignored the CDC for two months.

I know.  And Texans paid the price...a lot less southern racists around, these days.  

California has always recognized the DOH, the CDC and the Federal government, as fantastic resources to be worked with, not against.  Trump and governors like DeSantis, Abbott and Kemp have cost their respective states lots of lives, by trying to rewrite science.   Trump didn't want the pandemic to be true, and so his toadies followed him in the ritualistic belief, like children in some after-school gang.

Oh well.  Frankly, I don't care what happens to southerners.  They aren't my countrymen, although I do feel sorry for them.  I'm glad they aligned themselves with Republicans, so that we can be rid of them with a single flush when it comes.  Amexit.

Will you miss your daughter, or has she pretty much written you off anyway?

No, we talk routinely on the phone.  It's not like you and your ex-wife.

So you've given up on the discussion? I think you see now that your southern governors are following a dead-end. Trump is pushing 80, and he will be gone soon. Then what?

Like Forest Gump, you've got millions of minions who are blindly following Trump, your southern governors included, and y'all will be left in the desert with the cult-leader walking away. Then what have ya got?

Original Quill wrote:No, we talk routinely on the phone.  It's not like you and your ex-wife.

So you've given up on the discussion?  I think you see now that your southern governors are following a dead-end.  Trump is pushing 80, and he will be gone soon.  Then what?

Like Forest Gump, you've got millions of minions who are blindly following Trump, your southern governors included, and y'all will be left in the desert with the cult-leader walking away.  Then what have ya got?

Seeing how she's your daughter, I would hope it's not like me and my ex wife? I would hope it be like me and my daughters and include regular visits.

Trumps a fool and I spend little time worrying about him or those that do.

Still wearing your mask?

Back on topic.

Has anyone seen the criteria used to drop the mask mandate?

What figure did we hit?

What threshold did we cross on Thursday to make it safe?

Or did the CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

So anyway, seems like about 15% of folks we're still wearing masks yesterday at my local brewery.

I'll be doing more observations today at the grocery store.

Maddog wrote:Back on topic.

Has anyone seen the criteria used to drop the mask mandate?

What figure did we hit?

What threshold did we cross on Thursday to make it safe?

Or did the  CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

All or none. Depending upon what you read/believe.

Maddog wrote:Back on topic.

Has anyone seen the criteria used to drop the mask mandate?

What figure did we hit?

What threshold did we cross on Thursday to make it safe?

Or did the  CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

I think if the CDC bent to pressure from the president, we'd have seen a lot of downplaying from the CDC before the last general election.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:Back on topic.

Has anyone seen the criteria used to drop the mask mandate?

What figure did we hit?

What threshold did we cross on Thursday to make it safe?

Or did the  CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

I think if the CDC bent to pressure from the president, we'd have seen a lot of downplaying from the CDC before the last general election.

Yeah, they quoted some studies that were completed a few days before they made the announcement.

So it's probably legit. Not that there are still a lot of people wearing masks everywhere. I guess the CDC is believable when you want them to be.

Maddog wrote:Or did the CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

Do you know this for a fact?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Or did the CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?

Do you know this for a fact?

Do you know what one of these is?




?

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Do you know this for a fact?

Do you know what one of these is?

?

I take that as a 'NO'. This is how conspiracy theories get started.

The next person will see that and say, I heard on NewsFix that the White House pressured the CDC to say... etc., etc. Profa is good at this sort of thing.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Do you know what one of these is?

?

I take that as a 'NO'.  This is how conspiracy theories get started.

The next person will see that and say, I heard on NewsFix that the White House pressured the CDC to say... etc., etc.  Profa is good at this sort of thing.

Fuck off.

You are the king of speculation on here without any proof.

I asked a damn question. It's part of the give and take on a forum.

To be fair, if someone makes a post and puts a question mark at the end....it’s generally considered a question.

I confess to bringing up a lot of hypotheses, as I am trained as a theorist. But you posed that as an innuendo amid a factual argument, asserting details without any suggestion that you were proposing a research design.

There's a big difference between:

"What if..."

and

"Or did the CDC flip based on a phone call from perhaps the the White House?"

In this world, that kind of statement gets picked up as fact, and passed along.

Mind you, I did only ask if you had any facts. How is someone to know, without asking questions.

And that’s a fair enough opinion too, Quill.

Sometimes words on a screen, typed quickly, can result in confusion or assumption.
We all do it on occasion.

eddie wrote:To be fair, if someone makes a post and puts a question mark at the end....it’s generally considered a question.

If I asked you: When was the last time you got drunk, and beat your husband?...the mere fact that I asked with pointed facts, suggested a declaratory statement, not an interrogatory.

I appreciate you are trying to state the formal rule, but today formal rules are no more.

Original Quill wrote:

eddie wrote:To be fair, if someone makes a post and puts a question mark at the end....it’s generally considered a question.

If I asked you: When was the last time you got drunk, and beat your husband?...the mere fact that I asked with pointed facts, suggested a declaratory statement, not an interrogatory.

I appreciate you are trying to state the formal rule, but today formal rules are no more.

Wrong.

What I did is say is something like "I wonder if Eddie ever got drunk and beat Ben?" after seeing Ben with a black eye.

eddie wrote:And that’s a fair enough opinion too, Quill.

Sometimes words on a screen, typed quickly, can result in confusion or assumption.
We all do it on occasion.

I try to take my time and write carefully. That's why I'm frequently late, as above when I missed your comment. But even if I'm late, there's usually a sequence to follow...especially if you use the quote function to frame your comment.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

If I asked you: When was the last time you got drunk, and beat your husband?...the mere fact that I asked with pointed facts, suggested a declaratory statement, not an interrogatory.

I appreciate you are trying to state the formal rule, but today formal rules are no more.

Wrong.

What I did is say is something like "I wonder if Eddie ever got drunk and beat Ben?" after seeing Ben with a black eye.

But your statement was loaded with innuendo and factual suggestion. It would raise questions about what you were saying.

Mind you, I only asked you if you had any facts. A mere question of clarification is permissible, isn't it?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Wrong.

What I did is say is something like "I wonder if Eddie ever got drunk and beat Ben?" after seeing Ben with a black eye.

But your statement was loaded with innuendo and factual suggestion.  It would raise questions about what you were saying.

Mind you, I only asked you if you had any facts.  A mere question of clarification is permissible, isn't it?

I had questions about the sudden change in guidelines. They seemed to come out of nowhere. The day before they were announced Joe was wearing a mask outside and getting questioned about it.

A day later, Jill is standing in a school full of kids without a mask saying everything is fine now.

It's no secret that getting schools open is important to getting people back to work.

I simply was wondering if their was some political wrangling behind the scenes.

Just in case you haven't been paying attention, my default position is to be skeptical of politicians.

Guys, i think I’m bowing out of this. I tried.
I see both sides. It’s just subtle differences.

eddie wrote:Guys, i think I’m bowing out of this. I tried.
I see both sides. It’s just subtle differences.

Are you going to beat Ben?

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:Guys, i think I’m bowing out of this. I tried.
I see both sides. It’s just subtle differences.

Are you going to beat Ben?  

Nah. He’s too used to it. I thin’ I’ll burn him.

eddie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Are you going to beat Ben?  

Nah. He’s too used to it. I thin’ I’ll burn him.

Y'all are freaky.

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Are you going to beat Ben?  

Nah. He’s too used to it. I thin’ I’ll burn him.

Y'all are freaky.

Hell yeah.